From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #458 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 458 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: private email forwarding njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) [vince ] Re: JMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) [PassScribe@aol.com] toogoodspeeds njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) ["Richard Flynn" ] LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Like>>> ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: (NJC) What's in a name? ["Bree Mcdonough" ] NJC Re: music for depressed days [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Alison Krauss / Union Station (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC I spy for the FBI [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC I spy for the FBI ["Lori Fye" ] Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Like>>> (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: NJC I spy for the FBI [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] (njc) now WHAT's in a name? carlotta monti [Murphycopy@aol.com] JMDL musical recommendations (njc) [PassScribe@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: private email forwarding njc yes, i knew you would. :-) w > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > tantra-apso > Enviado el: Miercoles, 10 de Septiembre de 2003 08:01 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: private email forwarding njc > > > Wally Kairuz wrote: > > > i think that colin was on the list too at that > >time because i have a recollection of his writing in my behalf as well. > > > i was here and recall it well. > > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:19:21 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) Tangerine Dream-Richochet and Stratosphere Hazel O'Conner-Will You(from Breaking Glass soundtrack) Amanda Lear-Incognito(album) Tantra-Hills of Katmandu(album) Dar Williams - End of Summer(album) Grace Slick -Dreams(album) Adiemus-album Enigma 4 Deep Forest 1st album ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:23:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > why, this is such a generous offer, cath! thank you. > you have just helped me > decide what chilly place i'll be visiting next > february. i promise i won't > make much noise. > wally, packing his twenty elmer fudd hats. Hey, you, I've told you before, you're welcome to visit anytime! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:23:18 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re:Intolerance Achievement Award My Lover, Rolls who some of you have met always complains how she doesn't play the right notes.( he was a trumpet player in the high school and played directly from sheet music) so he thinks her music is weird. On the lyrics he calls it "dime store philosophy, and I counter act with "It's cocaine phraseology. Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:26:47 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: John Kelly in "Shiny Hot Nights" touring [NJC] I believe he is in DC at the start of this tour and then . . . . . John Kelly brings his "Shiny Hot Nights: More Songs of Joni Mitchell" to San Francisco's Oberlin Dance Collective Theater, October 8-12, 2003. http://www.odctheater.org/v5/pages/music.html Hooray! ~Richard The extraordinary John Kelly returns to San Francisco for the first time since his legendary run at Josie's as Joni Mitchell in his smash hit "Paved Paradise". John is back as Joni in a new show, "Shiny Hot Nights". The New York Times raves: "There's drag, and then there's transformation through spiritual osmosis, and that's what John Kelly accomplishes with this tribute to the queen of the singer-songwriters. Every blue note, every toss of the golden mane captures Ms. Mitchell's singular aura and communicates why a man like Mr. Kelly would fetishize her persona rather than playing just another variation on Joan Crawford. Magnificent." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) Les, feeling brave this evening? I have to agree with you. This summer I saw Patty in a song swap/circle thingy with Greg Brown, John Gorka, and Vance Gilbert she kicked all their butts on guitar. Each one is an amazing performer/songwriter/musician, but I just love it when a woman can really play guitar (ahem, Giselle). Jenny Les Irvin wrote: In no particular order: Patricia Barber - "Cafe Blue": One of my favorite albums of the decade. A pianist who on this album brilliantly mixes jazz with folk, classical, and pop. One of the few times in my life I immediately knew I was hearing something totally unique. Erica Wheeler - "The Harvest": Great voice, great songs... Greg Brown - "Poet Game": Highly underrated songwriter pens this decade's "Blood on the Tracks." John Martyn: Best unknown artist of the last 30 years? Try "Sunday's Child", "Solid Air", or "Bless the Weather" for starters. Patty Larkin - "Stranger's World": another mystery why she's not more well-known. Classy, smart, witty songwriter and a better guitarist than Joni. (blasphemy!) Just my humble opinion, of course. Les - ------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - -------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:33:56 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) Hi Vince, I must say that I really don't understand why anyone likes Ermine! I never did like the shock tactic. I don't understand why he wants to create so much hateful music with negative messages. I don't know whether this homophobic thing is an act or what but I find it quite offensive. I'm sure he has had a hard life and so on but why he wants to keep going over the same things I just don't know. And musically wasn't he sued last year by a French classical composer for stealing a piano riff? I wont go on as I don't want to be argumentative but I just don't get it. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" Cc: "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > 5 choices: > > Eminem, The Eminem Show - because it is great, because my grandson loves > it, because we play it a lot together, and because very few who condemn > him have taken the time to listen to what he is *really* saying as > opposed to what *the media* says he is saying. This is one of my > favorite albums ever. The combination of a great rapper with tremendous > wit and insights that you might only understand if you think of him as a > social observer as Lenny Bruce was, or George Carlin kind of was, except > with a bigger audience. Besides, he is one of the very few who in the > wake of September 11th said out loud the words "... no friend of > Bush..." and attacked the Bush administration head on. And I could go > on but I won't. And you expected an Eminem plug from me anyway. > > Carlisle Floyd's "Susannah" sung by Cheryl Studler, Samuel Ramey, and > Jerry Hadley. It is an American opera! And it is good! And the > heroine does not die - she chases every one off with a shot gun! And > the line "I wouldn't touch those peas of hers" is funny only in context > but it is the funniest line ever in any opera. And there is a little > Rev Olin Blitch in all of us. > > Nirvana: Unplugged in New York. Simply. Because. > > A Saturday Tradition: University of Michigan Marching Band. I am one of > the thousands who show up early to march to the stadium with the band > and stay after for the post game show and march with the band back to > the band building. The Entry cadence, the M Fanfare, the Victors, and > Temptation and "you can't have one without the other" Hawaiian War > Chant, and the Yellow and Blue are as much a part of my life as any > music is. And I am sucker for a great marching band and this is one of > the best. > > Handel's Messiah: A Soulful Celebration. Executive Producers Norman > Miller, Gail Hamilton, and Mervyn Warren. Even Bob Muller would like > this if he listened to it. I love music reinterpreted and this rocks. > > and that leads to a sixth: > > Linkin Park, Reanimation. A remix of their Hybrid Theory album. I > think the music here is brilliant, and certainly creative. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:41:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) Great idea Kenny - since we all know JMDLers have exquisite taste. My contribution: hmm, there is an unintentional theme - it so happens the people I think deserve much more attention are women who combine great songwriting and gorgeous singing. Deb Talan - Something's Burning Cindy Kallet - Dreaming Down a Quiet Line Louise Taylor - Ride Dar Williams - Honesty Room Beth Amsel - Kindling Beth Amsel is touring the midwest this fall, with another amazing performer Maggie Simpson. Go see them if you can - the schedule is here: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Beth+Amsel Jenny PassScribe@aol.com wrote: I was thinking about how much we all care about Joni and her music but also how passionate we are about music in general. It prompted me to pose the following: how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or even new. But I'm not talking about the well-known, obvious things we've all heard (and already decided we either like it/own it or not.) I'm talking about lesser-known, possibly obscure albums or groups or maybe obscure albums by more well-known artists. I suggest we list a brief synopsis of the album or why we think other LMDLers might like it (maybe it sounds like or reminds you of another artist/group that others could relate to; maybe you think the performer or group is really great for whatever reason, etc.) Of course, I've got some suggestions in my head but before I offer them up, I wanted to see if this was something other members felt was worthwhile and if it's acceptable in this area of the site or is there another LMDL area/archive it would be better directed to. Kenny B - ------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - -------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:42:36 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) In a message dated 11/09/2003 00:37:03 GMT Daylight Time, amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk writes: > must say that I really don't understand why anyone likes Ermine! You'll have to ask Liberace about that... Azeem in London NP: Sandy Dillon - can't stop playing this new album... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:48:13 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: music for depressed days Patrick wrote: > i've also finally really listened to bob's 'sweet 16, take 2' of joni > covers, and there is some amazing stuff on that. i'm truly in love with > avalon hotel's 'blue'. i really can't understand how bob can listen to so > many covers, but the gems are... gems. thanks bob. I've been enjoying it too. I think Cherokee Louise by Itxaso and Daniel Perez is a great cure for depression. It cracks me up every time I hear it! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) StephenToogood wrote: No I think I would ask Jenny if I could be unconventional and have my married name Goodspeed. Steve, if you only knew how hard I have been trying to convince my husband to do this! When we first were engaged he was all for it because clearly in these modern times, a married couple should assume the COOLER name of the two. But when the time came to put words into action, it just didn't happen. I'm not giving up though. Honestly, it was no picnic being a Goodspeed as kid either. If I had a dime for every time someone asked me if I "knew where to get some good speed?" sigh. Jenny Toogood really sucks but I don't have the heart not to mention the money (you really have to change a lot of things over) to change it as my Dad is really proud of it. On of my nicknames at school was chewgoood because I used to chew my tie! Well at least they were original - toobad was plain annoying. ;) Steve T - ------------------------------------------------------- What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? - -------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:58:22 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) I like Goodspeed though that joke must of got tedious! Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Goodspeed" To: "StephenToogood" ; "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:55 AM Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) > StephenToogood wrote: > No I think I would ask Jenny if I could be unconventional and have my > married name Goodspeed. > > Steve, if you only knew how hard I have been trying to convince my husband to do this! > > When we first were engaged he was all for it because clearly in these modern times, a married couple should assume the COOLER name of the two. But when the time came to put words into action, it just didn't happen. I'm not giving up though. > > Honestly, it was no picnic being a Goodspeed as kid either. If I had a dime for every time someone asked me if I "knew where to get some good speed?" sigh. > > Jenny > > > Toogood really sucks but I don't have the heart not > to mention the money (you really have to change a lot of things over) to > change it as my Dad is really proud of it. On of my nicknames at school was > chewgoood because I used to chew my tie! Well at least they were original - > toobad was plain annoying. ;) > > Steve T > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? > -------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:03:14 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: JMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" > A Saturday Tradition: University of Michigan Marching Band. I am one of > the thousands who show up early to march to the stadium with the band > and stay after for the post game show and march with the band back to > the band building. The Entry cadence, the M Fanfare, the Victors, and > Temptation and "you can't have one without the other" Hawaiian War > Chant, and the Yellow and Blue are as much a part of my life as any > music is. And I am sucker for a great marching band and this is one of > the best. Yes, I was in my university marching band, too (percussion). What an experience that was! Five discs currently in heavy rotation at my house (they're all well known, unfortunately. Sorry, but I wanna play, too!): 1. Dusty in Memphis- Dusty Springfield. Maybe my favorite album 2. Gypsy- the new recording of the Broadway classic w/Bernadette Peters as Mama Rose. I had tickets to see this on Broadway in May, but she was sick and I got a refund. Now I have first row seats for Thanksgiving weekend.:-) 3. Hello Stranger- The Best of Barbara Lewis . Shhbaa, shhba, my baby, oooh, it seems like a mighty long time 4. Diana- Diana Ross. This is the new 2 cd deluxe edition and it's great! Especially disc 2. I realize that looking at my first four choices, one might conclude that I'm gay!! Well, I am, but I swear to y'all that even though I'm gaying out musically right now, that is not the way it always is. 5. Rufus and Chaka Khan- Live, Stompin' at the Savoy. Just got this on cd. David P.S.- someone just mentioned "Dreams" by Grace Slick. That's cool! I love Jefferson Airplane and especially Grace...she's Scorpio like Joni, as I'm sure you all knew already. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) now WHAT's in a name? --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > StephenToogood wrote: > No I think I would ask Jenny if I could be > unconventional and have my > married name Goodspeed. > > Steve, if you only knew how hard I have been trying > to convince my husband to do this! > > When we first were engaged he was all for it because > clearly in these modern times, a married couple > should assume the COOLER name of the two. But when > the time came to put words into action, it just > didn't happen. I'm not giving up though. > > Honestly, it was no picnic being a Goodspeed as kid > either. If I had a dime for every time someone > asked me if I "knew where to get some good speed?" > sigh. > > Jenny I think Goodspeed is a very cool name. It sounds very old and somehow very Puritan. Goody Goodspeed. Heehee. On that note, my kids' surname is Frank and my son gets tired of being called Frankenstein. I told him to go with it though - tell them it's really FRONK-en-steen and I even rented Young Frankenstein for him, which he enjoyed, but he still doesn't like being called Frankenstein (or Fronkensteen.) At one point, at work, when I was still using my husband's last name, I got irritated at the way something was being handled and I sent an e-mail out about it to the people involved (who hadn't bothered telling the people on the phones what was going on, which resulted in a number of confusing phone calls to straighten things out). There was a public health doctor by the name of McKilligan who took offense to what I had written, and she responded with, "FRANKly, I thought that was a bit much." So I apologized (wuss!) for being too, erm, sarcastic, maybe. But what I really wanted to say was: "Watch it, everyone! She has McKilled and she will McKilligan." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:42 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) In a message dated 9/10/03 1:06:44 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: << PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >or is there another LMDL >area/archive it would be better directed to. > > Kenny B > > > what is the LMDL? Is it a list for 'special' members? >> Yes, it's the "INNER CIRCLE" area... yeah, that's it! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:13:32 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) In a message dated 9/10/03 1:10:14 PM, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: << Les Miserables Disscussion List, of course! Steve ;-) At 02:02 PM 9/10/2003 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >what is LMDL? >wally >> That's probably the best one yet! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:15:23 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) In a message dated 9/10/03 1:40:00 PM, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: << Kenny, I would be interested in participating in this. While reading your post I already thought of 2 of my favorite Texas artists (female) who are not too well known that i would like to share. db >> And you didn't even point out my LMDL reference... very kind, indeed! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:15:50 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Standing in the Shadows of Motown njc Kate wrote: <> I agree wholeheartedly!!! This was a FABULOUS movie for anyone that is interested in music!!!! Hugs, Ashara, still catching up ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:19:55 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Alison Krauss / Union Station (NJC) Hi all, Just thought I'd post a quick note about Alison Krauss. She and Union Station got mentioned in an online review of Stryngs (in the context of chipping away at success/popularity), at which point I largely forgot about them. Then I spotted a live concert of theirs on TV and was very impressed. Then I noticed that Alison's produced both Nickel Creek CDs. Anyway, long windedly, what I'm getting around to saying is that now they've got a full double DVD out of their live concert, and it's fantastic. Regardless of whether you like bluegrassy/country sort of music, a few things stand out: (a) the musicianship - top notch; (b) Alison's voice, which is sublime; (c) the quality of the live recording, which in my opinion, is beyond compare. Additionally, they've included a full surround sound mix in both Dolby Digital and DTS formats. It's joyous. And what I believe to be their latest CD, New Favourite (2001) is a corker too. Now: if, five years ago, someone had told me that I'd be listening to stuff bordering on country music, I'd have told 'em where and when to get off. Funny how things change, huh? - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:16:49 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) Steve, Eminem is not homophobic and I would really refer you to the past threads in the JMDL from years past rather than repeat them anew. And I make my statements on Eminem being - how does one say - very gay my own self. I have also studied his lyrics quite intentionally in saying that. It is a most tired old canard, the false homophobic charge, as far as I am concerned. Interestingly, it was Michael Yarbrough, a former Jmdler who is also gay who turned me on to Em's music. And his music is not filled with hate nor negative messages, other than in the fund raising letters of Dr. Laura or "too ill informed to know but out to make a buck" gay and lesbian groups, and I find their no-nothingness offensive. And I am unaware of any such suit, but then I know George Harrison was successfully sued for ripping off He's So Fine and I think none the less of George. Calling Eminem "Ermine" - what is up with that, because he is so precious or is that to be oh so cute? Anyway, to the vast relief of the other JMDLers I am not going to get into debating Marshall Mather's music again. It has been discussed a lot, a lot, a whole lot, in here and the archives have it all. So please do check those if you are truly interested in that dialogue. I also hope to have a piece published upcoming in Christian Century so if/when that is published I shall advise. However, that means that yes I, an ordained clergy person (26 years tomorrow... happy anniversary to me) and I am also a gay man who takes his grandson to Eminem concerts, operas, and sports events in part to see the Marching Bands. We have wonderful conversations about our musical experiences! Vince (tomorrow: 26 years as the Rev. Vince! which is rather bittersweet) StephenToogood wrote: >Hi Vince, > >I must say that I really don't understand why anyone likes Ermine! I never >did like the shock tactic. I don't understand why he wants to create so much >hateful music with negative messages. I don't know whether this homophobic >thing is an act or what but I find it quite offensive. I'm sure he has had a >hard life and so on but why he wants to keep going over the same things I >just don't know. And musically wasn't he sued last year by a French >classical composer for stealing a piano riff? I wont go on as I don't want >to be argumentative but I just don't get it. > >Steve > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "vince" >Cc: "Joni List" >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:10 AM >Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > > > > >>5 choices: >> >>Eminem, The Eminem Show - because it is great, because my grandson loves >>it, because we play it a lot together, and because very few who condemn >>him have taken the time to listen to what he is *really* saying as >>opposed to what *the media* says he is saying. This is one of my >>favorite albums ever. The combination of a great rapper with tremendous >>wit and insights that you might only understand if you think of him as a >>social observer as Lenny Bruce was, or George Carlin kind of was, except >>with a bigger audience. Besides, he is one of the very few who in the >>wake of September 11th said out loud the words "... no friend of >>Bush..." and attacked the Bush administration head on. And I could go >>on but I won't. And you expected an Eminem plug from me anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:16:46 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) now WHAT's in a name? In a message dated 11/09/2003 01:09:52 GMT Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > So I apologized > (wuss!) for being too, erm, sarcastic, maybe. But what > I really wanted to say was: "Watch it, everyone! She > has McKilled and she will McKilligan." > > A perfect example of what the French call "l'esprit de l'escalier" (a smart retort which you think of just a bit too late to deliver it). I came across someone today with the gloriously Pythonesque name of Henrietta Byng! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:24:44 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Jerry writes: > Twice I have forwarded what I consider to be threatening or > severely inappropriate posts from list > members to Les. Damn you, Jerry! I was just trying to be friendly! In all this talk about Colin forwarding Marcel's e-mail to the list, here's a thought that's also a loophole: Marcel was not a member of the list when he wrote to Andrea, so *technically* Colin didn't break the rule of forwarding another list member's private e-mail. Just a thought. What I'd really like to do here is tell Les he does a hell of a job running this list and keeping his hands off -- as far as censoring or monitoring goes -- unless it is absolutely necessary. In the case of Marcel, it was absolutely necessary to take action. His behavior was getting downright scary and he had been warned (if my memory is correct) to stop the private e-mails to the woman he was harassing. Les, I applaud you for making the decision you made and I can tell you that I, for one, would not be here if Marcel and the turmoil he caused on such a regular basis were still a part of the JMDL. So take a bow! Poor Les . . . It's like he has this beautiful, refreshing swimming pool and many times the people he welcomes in are just not very grateful. Sometimes he even has to warn people not to pee in his pool. And when they continue to do so, he has to send them away. That makes sense, doesn't it? What I will never understand is the people who want the people who pee in the pool to be able to do so! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:21:43 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: Re: Intolerance Achievement Award From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Intolerance Achievement Award --- Melissa wrote: The > Hissing of Summer Lawns was playing on the CD > (Harry's House, to be > precise). Naturally, when he turned the ignition > on, Joni came blaring out > of the speakers. His comment last night was "When > are you going to grow out > of your obsession with this bitch?" I told him the > bad news - Joni is here > to stay. And he's not, of course? ;) Wow...that was like a Tim Robbins novel in one paragraph! Made me really laugh out loud... several times during the course of the day... It also made me think about all the things I was ever defensive about enjoying when with whatever potherwise fascinating person could hold their opposing view "like a weapon though"...sending me off into a weekend of dark silent pouting or, if pretending to be Thoroughly Modern Millie, unaffected by whatever slight I experienced or imagined I had experienced, I evoke the naval staring posture or the "far horizon look" of the dedicated "ennui-ist" ever drawn mothlike to the introintrointrointrospection flame, where prayers to the magnificient interior architecture of Self can be indulged like the priest and his pornographic watch...gawd,...anyway... In review of that sort thing I was pleased to discover for myself that I have no memory whatsoever of ever having even momentarily let anyone disparage or speak in an ill manner to my intense, nearly life long, intimate and strong embrace of all things posed, painted and performed by Her.... I mean, c'mon... nobody and I mean nobody else ever described the interior of themselves in such perfect intimacy that these things she describes with exquisitely novel coinages and brilliantly tidy, yet passionately fecund vignettes whose artful service to the alchemical notion of transcendence by way of always balancing the deep and superficial ARE SO me, not like me, no.... the sensation is that we are the same person...she knows how to become or evoke , whatever...is the universal us. Yeah, like I'm going to have that experience and then let someone else tell me its not true? HAH! Right! You know what bad ass thing I would really enjoy seeing? Is for Tori Amos and Joni Mitchell to go out on the town in a video of a song they co-wrote about being yourself and loving it and not needing men, the industry, the audience or even fans to tell you what's right on, cos "Nobody Else Can" :) Thanx for the release :) cul [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of wink_n.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:27:58 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) In a message dated 9/10/03 4:48:49 PM, SCJoniGuy writes: <> Thanks for the suggestions, Bob; I plan on adding certain items to the list I usually take with me when I'm searching record stores and flea markets for records and CD's. Now, you see, this Ed Harcourt recommendation would make ME sit up and take notice 'cause I love Todd's stuff. I will certainly put this on the top of my list. Kenny B (Ahhh...I found the problem; someone switched the "J" & the "L" plastic key squares on my keyboard while I was napping.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:31:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: toogoodspeeds njc >Lori, who wonders, if Stephen Toogood married Jenny Goodspeed, would they become the TooGoodSpeeds? ; )< cute! when my son & i were having difficult times (teen times oh joy!) he got one of those army shirts from the surplus store & proudly showed me the name on the pocket that said (whatever the first name was) goodson! melted me... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:31:20 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) OK five--let's see. Recently in rotation: Caitlin Cary-- while you weren't looking (also her new one) James Mc Murtry: St Mary's of the Woods (appropriate for the Larry Mc Murtry Discussion List Jesse Malin--Fine Art of Self-Destruction Failer--Kathleen Edwards Eric Andersen--Beat Avenue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:31:14 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) In a message dated 9/10/03 7:41:37 PM, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: << Great idea Kenny - since we all know JMDLers have exquisite taste. My contribution: hmm, there is an unintentional theme - it so happens the people I think deserve much more attention are women who combine great songwriting and gorgeous singing. Deb Talan - Something's Burning Cindy Kallet - Dreaming Down a Quiet Line Louise Taylor - Ride Dar Williams - Honesty Room Beth Amsel - Kindling Beth Amsel is touring the midwest this fall, with another amazing performer Maggie Simpson. Go see them if you can - the schedule is here: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Beth+Amsel >> Hummm.. I know of Dar Williams and I like some of what I've heard from her but I'm not too acquainted with the others you mentioned. Gives me more to look for in my travels; thanks for the suggestions. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:32:30 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Musical Recommendations njc Great idea, Kenny - gives us all a chance to pontificate - sorry, wax lyrical - - about some music we really love but no one else does! I'm going to mention a few British acts, as I imagine a great majority of this list won't have heard of any of these people... Ten Light Years - Caroline Trettine I must declare an interest here (how pompous - like it matters!), in that I know Caroline. The thing is, I have given or lent this album to so many people over the years, and *everyone* loves it. No exceptions, no equivocal "it's alright, quite nice" - it's always "Wow, this is wonderful, why have I never heard of her?" The songs are beautiful, the arrangements are gorgeous, the lyrics heartfelt, passionate, playful, poignant; her singing is intimate and sensuous. Even the packaging is lovely! Flow - Annabel Lamb Another friend (she refers to me as "her fan"!), who has been in the biz for over 20 years, made half a dozen very varied albums, and is getting better all the time. Her voice is rich, deep and complex, and her songs speak universal truths about real life without ever sounding like truisms. And "Ain't No Going Back" is one of my favourite songs ever... Lewis Taylor - Lewis Taylor A home-made masterpiece, surely touched with genius. A man who has imbibed a lot of very soulful and funky records, and synthesised these influences in some kind of alchemical process, coming up with something fresh and individual. Check out the opening song, Lucky, and try not to get hooked. By The Blue - Rosie Brown This album got great reviews when it came out last year, and Rosie got some good press and radio exposure. As is so often the way, it just didn't quite happen for her, in terms of really taking off commercially. Her voice is a truly intoxicating brew, and would be recommendation enough on its own. But these songs are so darn great - I mean, great tunes and great words, that's all you can really ask, isn't it?? Her band are spectacularly good, with an amazing drummer called Paul May, who looks like a blissed-out, long-haired hippy (unlike anyone I know...) and plays a kit consisting of precisely four elements (bass, snare, hi-hat, ride cymbal), yet still contrives to play the toetappingest rhythms imaginable. And her guitarist, Bernd Rest, is one of the classiest acoustic players I've heard. My Beautiful Demon - Ben Christophers One of many male singer-songwriters caught in the New Jeff Buckley dragnet, Ben doesn't really sound like Jeff (although there are a few valid comparisons to be made, especially around use of falsetto), but he's worthy of mentioning in the same breath simply on grounds of his talent. Emotionally naked songs, wrapped up in gripping arrangements and electronic distortion. Stunning. Mathilde Santing - To Others To One John van Tiel, to name but one, can back me up here on just how great a singer she is - Amsterdam's finest export that I know of. Mostly an interpreter, she has impeccable and highly idiosyncratic taste: she'll sing a few standards, but she also has a fondness for a few modern songwriters like Todd Rundgren, Smokey Robinson (who for all the deserved adulation he receives, doesn't get covered *that* much), Robert Cray, Randy Newman, Tim Finn, Roddy Frame, etc etc. Despite singing in her second language, her ability to get right inside the heart of a song is a marvel. This album includes her takes on Ready For The War (Janis Ian), Inner City Blues (Marvin Gaye), Typical Situation (Dave Matthews) and a pair of Tim Finn songs; it also includes one of hers, Too Big For Me, which is just exquisite, a looking-back-at-how-great-our-relationship-was tearjerker in the fine tradition of These Foolish Things. I'd better stop there, I could go on all night... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:33:45 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: JMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) David, please tell some marching band stories - what school, etc. Tell percussion stories - that is my favorite - I am a huge fan of drumlines and wish I had played in one! Vince >----- Original Message ----- >From: "vince" > > >>A Saturday Tradition: University of Michigan Marching Band. I am one of >>the thousands who show up early to march to the stadium with the band >>and stay after for the post game show and march with the band back to >>the band building. The Entry cadence, the M Fanfare, the Victors, and >>Temptation and "you can't have one without the other" Hawaiian War >>Chant, and the Yellow and Blue are as much a part of my life as any >>music is. And I am sucker for a great marching band and this is one of >>the best. >> >> >David Rahall wrote: >Yes, I was in my university marching band, too (percussion). What an >experience that was! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:38:55 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: JMDL members' musical recommendations follow up with Joni Content I don't have time to search the non-searchable archive to know whether this is old news, but since I mentioned Eric Andersen in my list of 5, I was wondering if you all knew that you can download a live mp3 performance of Blue River from the Mudd Club with Joni on harmony (which she also sang on the studio release) from Andersen's official MP3 site: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/152/eric_andersen.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:41:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: bob mueller NJC >well i never. Our Bob is an FBI agent!!!!< that's how he gets all those covers...he goes undercover... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:51:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) thanks for this, she is coming to our s/s series & i will get to hear her, sounds very good! >Thea Gilmore - Rules For Jokers Heavily influenced by Mr Dylan, and Joni too I believe. a lot of interesting instruments, face slapping lyrics and folk-rock music. She gets an album out every year and I think they are all pretty good.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:01:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: greg brown njc >Greg Brown - "Poet Game": Highly underrated songwriter pens this decade's "Blood on the Tracks."< he's great! one of the most amazing places i heard him was at an annual music party at a farm in the foothills up a curvy little road...its a party where mostly locals play but a few years ago greg brown played! i was walking down the driveway when he pulled up & he got out of his old car (like you'd expect him to drive) leaned back against it (in his old hat) & looked around & said in his low growly voice to no one in particular "where am i?" he is too cool... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:14:09 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Like>>> Like wow like way cool like hey man like give me five like like like [my brain is shrinking from all the nonsense but I do love those people who use like with the perfect valley girl inflection its like so surreal I feel like I am at an amazing metamorphosis from high school to high school - have a great day! S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:18:48 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (NJC) What's in a name? Or if Actress Hope Lange would have married Bob Hope she would have been....Hope Hope. OR actress Wyonna Rider married actor Joseph Bologna ...Wyonna Bologna Bree..whose nickname from her own mother was highpockets. >Lori, >who also wonders, if dancer Twyla Tharp married golfer Bob Tway, would she >become Twyla Tway? _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:26:37 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: (NJC) What's in a name? oh please keep these going - I love these - give me new ones like these please! Hope Lange would have married Bob Hope she would have been....Hope Hope. Wyonna Rider married actor Joseph Bologna ...Wyonna Bologna Twyla Tharp married golfer Bob Tway, would she become Twyla Tway Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Or if Actress Hope Lange would have married Bob Hope she would have > been....Hope Hope. OR actress Wyonna Rider married actor Joseph > Bologna ...Wyonna Bologna > > Bree..whose nickname from her own mother was highpockets. > >> Lori, >> who also wonders, if dancer Twyla Tharp married golfer Bob Tway, >> would she >> become Twyla Tway? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! > http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:33:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: music for depressed days >i really can't understand how bob can listen to so >many covers, but the gems are... gems. thanks bob. You're quite welcome Patrick...and what do you mean you don't understand? I'm WEIRD, that's all there is to it. Glad you enjoyed the disc, I have fun putting them together. I'm still aiming to put together a "Patrick Leader" special with 16 challenging covers just for you. One of these days. PS: I totally agree with you about Anita's CD - I haven't "needed" it but I have enjoyed it immensely and recommend it. Bob NP: Bud Powell, "Just One Of Those Things" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:39:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alison Krauss / Union Station (NJC) Chris writes: << Funny how things change, huh? >> Sure is! --Bob NP: The Best of Whitney Houston ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:40:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC I spy for the FBI But being the nice Bob that I am, I made him sing Big Yellow Taxi and let him off with a warning. Bob, who spells his last name M-U-L-L-E-R and remembers when he WAS in the FBI which meant "female body inspector"... NP: Louis Hayes Quintet, "That's The Thing" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:45:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC I spy for the FBI > Bob, who spells his last name M-U-L-L-E-R and remembers when he WAS in the > FBI which meant "female body inspector"... Er ... "WAS"? ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:47:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) A mighty big if! No, seriously it sounds pretty cool. When I think of The Messiah, the LAST word I conjure up is SOUL. As for your other picks, I'm not sure that I'd call Nirvana, Eminem, and Linkin Park OBSCURE although maybe to this demographic. I like all three of those discs too, own 2 of them and my son has the Linkin Park. Bob NP: Jack Sheldon, "Beach-wise" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:47:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Like>>> (njc) > [my brain is shrinking from all the nonsense Sometimes a good dose of nonsense is just what's needed to cure what ails ya (like, for instance, depression). Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:48:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC I spy for the FBI > I just finished a bio of W.C. Fields by his companion of many years, Carlotta Monti. (Don't ask why. I'll read anything.) Anyway, Fields loved funny names and often used them in his comedy, as did the Python guys. She credits Fields' inspiration as -- of course -- Charles Dickens. Now I wonder who was into funny names before Dickens . . . --Bob, who is neither Toogood nor Goodspeed, just Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:54:14 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: JMDL musical recommendations (njc) Hey, it's good to see so many folks are receptive to my proposal for us to list our musical recommendations for others to consider. My first five: 1. HUDSON & FORD: Richard Hudson & John Ford were, at one time, members of the British group The Strawbs. They produced two albums by themselves that I consider superb although they are relatively unknown and quite obscure; you may find them hard to find although I just picked up one in a used record shop & gave it to my son. "Nickelodeon" is from '73 and has been termed "folk-rock" but it's no more folk-rock than "Court & Spark". "Worlds Collide" is from '75 and is quite a bit more electric with more special effects. Both contain fine compositions, vocals and playing. 2. RUSS BALLARD: member of Rod Argent's group (Argent) in the early '70's, Russ wrote or co-wrote many of their best tunes. He produced at least six solo albums (there may be more but I own six) from '74 through '85. I think his earlier efforts were his strongest: the debut self-titled album from '74 and "Winning", from '76. 3. FLO & EDDIE: Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan were the brains behind The Turtles which produced many pop songs in the late '60's. They then produced a number of albums as Flo & Eddie, the finest of which I believe is "Moving Targets" from 1976. Much more intricate and complex than the Turtles' stuff but still highly listenable; I think it's still available inexpensively on reissued CD. Two other unique collections are '72's "The Phlorescent Leech & Eddie" and "Flo & Eddie" from '73... all well worth looking for and always found in used record stores, although sometimes fetching very high prices as collectors' items. 4. STEPHEN STILLS: Of course, Stills is far from obscure and I suppose anyone who likes/liked CSN will like Stills' stuff. But few people are aware of a 1991 release called, "Stills Alone", which features only Stephen, some fine guitar work and some memorable original songs besides covers of Dylan's "Everybody's Talkin'" and Lennon/McCartney's "In My Life." This is essential Stills listening. 5. KARLA BONOFF: Karla wrote many tunes that other people (including Linda Ronstadt) made famous; unfortunately, when she released her own self-titled, solo album in '77, she had little success with some of those same tunes. I happen to love that first album and it's one that seems to be readily available in the used record bins. Kind of a cross between Carole King & Ronstadt, Karla also recorded another fine collection, "Restless Nights" in '79 and "Wild Heart of the Young" in '82, which I find to be the weaker of the three. There is a fourth solo album which I don't have, don't know the name of, but a "Best of" CD has recently been released containing 16 Bonoff tunes if you'd like to sample her wares the easy way. Kenny B ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #458 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)