From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #457 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 457 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: private email forwarding njc ["kakki" ] Re: private email forwarding njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: private email forwarding njc [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: private email forwarding njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: FW: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc [Ken ] Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) ["StephenToogood" ] RE: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! ["Lori Fye" ] Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) ["StephenToogood" ] Overuse of The word "Like" ["anon anon" ] Re: Tolerant Achievement Award (long) now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Overuse of The word "Like" njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) [vince Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Lori wrote: > When he began to privately email Andrea -- who had no idea who he was until that >day -- and when she asked me who he was, I asked her to forward his posts to me. I, >in turn, forwarded them to Les. Did she give you permission to forward those posts to Les? > However, I have taken and will continue to take it upon myself from time > to time, when situations like this happen, to help people who might need > some assistance dealing with those sort of crap. Perhaps that's being too > presumptuous or co-dependent or something, but I don't care. You can't fault someone at all for caring about other people. I just wish the rules were more consistent here and did not exempt certain people. Or maybe forget making it a rule to not be vicious or nasty to people here on list or privately, make it a general practice. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:59:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc > Did she give you permission to forward those posts to Les? Sorry, I should have mentioned that. Yes, Andrea did give me permission. > You can't fault someone at all for caring about other people. I just wish > the rules were more consistent here and did not exempt certain people. Although I'm not recalling any inconsistencies at the moment, you're right Kakki. Otherwise, that "inner circle" thing rears its ugly little head. > Or maybe forget making it a rule to not be vicious or nasty to people > here on list or privately, make it a general practice. That would make a whole lot of things better, worldwide! : ) All I am saying is give peas a chance ... ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:04:26 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Quoting kakki : I just > wish > the rules were more consistent here and did not exempt certain people. > Or > maybe forget making it a rule to not be vicious or nasty to people here > on > list or privately, make it a general practice. > > Kakki Twice I have forwarded what I consider to be threatening or severely inappropriate posts from list members to Les. If the offender denies having sent such messages, we are left no choice. It wasn't a case of consistency, or preferential treatment, but what I considered to be an appropriate response. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:15:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Yesterday I sent the following (as part of a larger email), but it apparently flew off into the ether. Anyway, in addition to Les's recent post ... From http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni.info, here are some morsels of JMDL wisdom to consider: ~~~ 4) Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance: To debate is divine, to personally insult really sucks. We love debate! We love a good conversation - a good discussion of the issues. We do so with respect for all involved. There are people from many countries and many cultures on this list. There are also those who are diplomatic, and those who aren't. There are tall ones and short ones and ... well, you get the idea. We are a very diverse bunch. In a nutshell, respect another's opinion and they will respect yours. It is not acceptable to personally insult someone publicly on the list. If you feel the need to do so, go listen to the "Ladies of the Canyon" album and calm down. If that doesn't work, take your differences off the list! ~~ 7) Please do not post another's private email to the list without their permission. If you feel you are being privately harassed, intimidated, or abused by another list member as a result of a debate or discussion that began on the list, I suggest any or all of these steps: - - Ask them to stop. - - Ignore them. - - Delete their mail unread and/or filter their mail automatically into the trash. At this point, if you feel the harassment, intimidation, or abuse persists and needs to be further addressed: - - Contact their ISP and ask for help in stopping the mail. - - Email me ["me" is Les ] a representation of the nature of the problem (copies of messages, chronology, etc...) and *CC the offender*. Please do not expect me to get involved and mediate the case. Rather, based on my knowledge of this person's history on the list, I'll make a decision as to their continued status as a member. Hopefully, this will end all but the most severe cases of abuse. In those rare cases, we will need to personally discuss procedures. ~~~ Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) > That reminds me; Janis Ian wrote quite a controversial piece on MP's a few > months back. It's a long read but very interesting. Anyone who is > interested should check it out on www.janisian.com Just to make it easier, here are the direct links to the original article and to Janis's follow-up piece: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html http://www.janisian.com/article-fallout.html This reminds ME that I emailed Jonatha Brooke, forwarding her Janis's articles and recommending that she take Janis's advice. Could've been a coincidence, but shortly thereafter Jonatha starting including MP3s on her website. : ) AND ... have you seen the latest on the RIAA lawsuits? http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143514 Lori, who wonders, if Stephen Toogood married Jenny Goodspeed, would they become the TooGoodSpeeds? ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:27:20 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: email harrassment njc > Don't be a > Dancin' Clown (just for you, Bob M). Thanks for the song dedication Mark! :~) And I agree with you on the way to quickly shut down Marcel. Back when I was an infrequent contributor, he tried to nail me a couple of times with really hateful & insulting private mails, hoping to push the right buttons and get a fight. That's his MO. I just let them go, and like you say it stopped. So my advice to anyone who's still getting preyed on by this or any other cyber-rapist is to ignore them, and they'll stop. I would imagine it's like a real rape, if you put up a fight it just becomes a bigger turn on. The whole scenario makes me f*cking sick. But it reminds me of a joke, so I can at least close on a happy note...a sadist and a masochist get on an elevator, the masochist says "BEAT ME! HIT ME! HURT ME!", the sadist just looks calmly at him and says "no". Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Sorry" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:48:49 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > I'm talking about > lesser-known, possibly obscure albums or groups or maybe > obscure albums by more > well-known artists. That's a neat idea, Kenny...while we're coming up with our lists, you can put your keyboard in the shop & get that "J" key fixed, it seems to be making "L" and everyone will think we're on the Loni Anderson list, which if it exists I might join anyway! :~) But on with the list...I could name a bunch, but I'll go with these for now: 1. Loggins & Messina: Mother Lode - This is one of my favorite records ever, beautiful harmonies, great playing, and lots of musical variety with some stretched out solos and jazz influences. 2. Ed Harcourt: Either one of his two records, "Here Be Monsters" or his latest "From Every Sphere"...this is gorgeous Rundgren-esque piano pop-rock at its finest, Ed sounds a lot like Jeff Buckley but is not derivative in any way, and that's a rare thing nowadays. 3. Joe Henry: I've got "Fuse" & "Scar" & love them both...very jazzy pop and smoky haunting kinda stuff. Infectious. And a new one coming out this month (same day as Joni's) - can't wait! 4. Red House Painters: Ocean Beach - I love all the RHP stuff, and Mark Kozolek's solo records too. This particular one I pick because it's probably the most accessible. They can rock, but it's mostly acoustic, and Mark's dry detached vocals really create a mood. And when it comes to covers, they take the cake! On one disc they cover "Silly Love Songs", "Long Distance Runaround" and The Cars "All Mixed Up" and they're WAY different from the originals. 5. Death Cab For Cutie: We Have The Facts & We're Voting Yes - A great indie-alternate-rock band, again I like all their stuff, a bit off-center and they use some interesting melodic and rhythmic techniques to create a very individual sound. OK, that's it from me - go and buy! :~) Bob NP: World Party, "When The Rainbow Comes" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:00:54 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: bob mueller NJC well i never. Our Bob is an FBI agent!!!! tis true. i saw him on the news earlier discussing the case of the young man who mailed himself in a box to Texas. They splashed his name up and everything, tho of course they used the full Robert Mueller. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:04:33 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: FW: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc Seems right to me except that in Quebec you can drink at 18. Emily M. Griskavich wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Emily M. Griskavich > Sent: Thu 8/28/2003 12:35 PM > To: joni@smoe.com > Cc: > Subject: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc > > < A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF REMOVED TO SAVE SPACE> > > > Hey, Everybody! I got this from an acquaintance in Iowa who got it from her Canadian daughter in law. Maybe th ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:11:32 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) > Lori, > who wonders, if Stephen Toogood married Jenny Goodspeed, would they become > the TooGoodSpeeds? ; ) No I think I would ask Jenny if I could be unconventional and have my married name Goodspeed. Toogood really sucks but I don't have the heart not to mention the money (you really have to change a lot of things over) to change it as my Dad is really proud of it. On of my nicknames at school was chewgoood because I used to chew my tie! Well at least they were original - toobad was plain annoying. ;) Steve T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:18:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) okay, lesser known to the general public but highly esteemed by many... everything or anything by: patty griffin (except i didn't like flaming red that much but many do) john gorka eastmountainsouth steve earle (i don't have everything but am working on it) mark knopfler (maybe this is cheating as he's well known) ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:18:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! how i envy you, kate! yours is a piscean skill. i am actually trying to learn how to have no thoughts. i am doing yoga exercises everyday but it is VERY hard. i can never turn my thinking processes off. but i feel that i've been making a little progress recently. these exercises are very powerful and i can do them only for very few minutes a day otherwise i become very crabby and confused. i am a capricorn, aries rising: icy algebraic schemes and volcanic eruptions -- at the same time! wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kate > Bennett > Enviado el: Miircoles, 10 de Septiembre de 2003 03:06 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! > > lol, that is so me catherine! just staring no thoughts AT all & trying to > make something up when someone asks me what i'm thinking! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) What's in a name? > One of my nicknames at school was chewgoood because I used to chew my > tie! Well at least they were original - toobad was plain annoying. ;) Try having "Fye" for a last name. "Hi Fye! Play me a record?" Ick. Lori, who also wonders, if dancer Twyla Tharp married golfer Bob Tway, would she become Twyla Tway? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! > icy algebraic schemes and volcanic eruptions There's got to be a (Joni) song in there somewhere!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Queens - njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > ed is queen consort then. > i am content with my role as queen dowager, though. > dowager styles suit my > ample bosom better. > wally, royal pain the ass But never forget this, my darlings. I am Anima Rising, Queen of Queens!!!! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:22:43 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) Ahh Lori you stole one of mine! I own this one - Joan Armatrading 'Whatever's For Us'. Thanks for reminding me; I haven't played it in a while. I think it's a great debut which is consistent. Very Elton John influenced also. I especially like 'City Girl', 'Child Star' and the irresistible 'All The King's Gardens' (that guitar is beautiful - especially listening on headphones). I still haven't got 'Joan Armatrading' though I've heard most of the tracks off it and love them! Really didn't like the new one though - very average and MOR I thought. Steve NP: City Girl - Joan Armatrading - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "those who want to@lrfye.lunarpages.com, of course" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > > what is the LMDL? Is it a list for 'special' members? > > That's the "Limited Members Discussion List" and it's for the inner circle > only. > > KIDDING!!! > > > how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our > > favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; > > somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or > > even new. > > My five, off the top of my head, in no particular order, and not > necessarily all that obscure (but you be the judge): > > Rory Block - I'm Every Woman > Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels On A Gravel Road > Marcia Ball - any album, pick one > Joan Armatrading - Whatever's For Us > Cris Williamson - The Changer And The Changed > > okay, one more: > > Melissa Manchester - Home To Myself > > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:26:30 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: (NJC) What's in a name? LOL oh this one gave me the giggles LOL. That must of been a bitch. Steve NP: Whatever's For Us - Joan Armatrading - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: "StephenToogood" Cc: "Joni List" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: (NJC) What's in a name? > > One of my nicknames at school was chewgoood because I used to chew my > > tie! Well at least they were original - toobad was plain annoying. ;) > > Try having "Fye" for a last name. "Hi Fye! Play me a record?" > > Ick. > > Lori, > who also wonders, if dancer Twyla Tharp married golfer Bob Tway, would she > become Twyla Tway? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:37:44 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Overuse of The word "Like" One thing that has been bothering me a great deal lately is the fact that so MANY people overuse the word "like" so OFTEN...(I counted one person saying "Like" literally 20 times in one minute...Will this ever end,do you think??? _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:38:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tolerant Achievement Award (long) now njc --- Happy The Man wrote: > My ex-wife was intolerant about Joni (thus the ex > part). But I have a pretty > cool tale about my dad. Awww. That's sweet. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:38:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc i also agree that the private stuff should not be made public...anyway listowner les has spoken & there are so few rules that i think its important to honor this one... (but to be honest i wish i had posted what i marcel posted to me privately or at least sent it to les) & just to be clear, whatever i received from him privately was in response to something i said on list & i never responded to the mean private posts but did to the nice private ones... my opinion is that i am glad colin posted the marcel to andrea emails as this situation is an extremely rare case & an exception to the rule (imo of course!) because of the people involved this is why: #1 i imagine many like me were very concerned over what marcel wrote to andrea...turns out it was nutty but no big scary deal...i agree with colin that no one is responsible for someone taking their life but to be honest i was concerned & relieved that there was nothing to be concerned about after reading marcel's emails (if that makes any sense) #2 marcel is not a member of this list but i remain honoring les's request to NOT post private emails to the list...for 99.99% of the time it is a very very important rule... colin's decision was imo in the .01% ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:39:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Overuse of The word "Like" njc --- anon anon wrote: > One thing that has been bothering me a great deal > lately is the fact that > so MANY people overuse the word "like" so OFTEN...(I > counted one person > saying "Like" literally 20 times in one > minute...Will this ever end,do you > think??? Like, that's unlikely. (Sorry!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:40:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: private email forwarding njc this is very tricky territory. several years ago i got caught up in a very nasty private mail war with a list member. i was very naive about discussion list affairs then: i used to erase posts regularly and i never thought of forwarding this person's posts to les. the other party, however, DID forward my replies to les and to the list... in a very conveniently EDITED form. i appeared in the worst possible light, to the point that some of my posts could be construed as DEATH THREATS to this person's offsprings!!! it sounds so crazy but it distressed me enormously. i was relatively new on the list so people didn't know what to think about me. i remember MG and patrick leader were very helpful. i think that colin was on the list too at that time because i have a recollection of his writing in my behalf as well. to this day i shudder whenever i remember that situation. from that day on, i have kept every single thing everyone has sent to the list and TO ME. i have had my fights on the list but they were all public. all the private correspondence that i have since kept with many list members has always been wonderful and very encouraging. marcel and i have corresponded sporadically. i like his music and especially his voice. he was kind enough to send me two of his cd's. that is all i have to say on the this specific matter. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:41:56 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Andrea (NJC) Bruce, Everyone, I just recently got back from being away for 2 weeks, the last week without internet access. When Chris Marshall picked me up at Stansted airport for a quick overnight with him before returning home, I asked him if there was anything new on the list. He said, "I have some very sad news to tell you," and he told me about Andrea. I am so very saddened at this news, and I am trying to understand the depth of despair that would push someone to that utmost and final limit. Thank you to all of you for your thoughts on depression, as it has helped a little to understand this. I have no words, other than my heart goes out to you, Bruce, who has lost your best friend, and to all that are hurting from this, to Mags on losing her brother, to Maggie in Scotland who is walking side by side with her friend who has cancer, and everyone else that is going through a tough time right now. BIG hugs from here. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Overuse of The word "Like" (NJC) > One thing that has been bothering me a great deal lately is the fact > that so MANY people overuse the word "like" so OFTEN...(I counted one > person saying "Like" literally 20 times in one minute...Will this ever > end,do you think??? Not, like, you know*, unless you begin using that infernal "NJC" tag! Lori (* "you know" is another one of those overused phrases -- you know?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:48:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! skill?! hardly, just a brain innundated with sea water i think...i often do think (mostly worry) too much (aquarius mercury perhaps?) so maybe it is just my neurons fritzing out...yoga is great! i find i need a class so someone can tell me what to do & i can listen to them not my own mind...i am loving it but yesterday try as i might to let it all go, my to do list kept spinning around & around in my poor tired brain... >how i envy you, kate! yours is a piscean skill. i am actually trying to learn how to have no thoughts. i am doing yoga exercises everyday but it is VERY hard. i can never turn my thinking processes off. but i feel that i've been making a little progress recently. these exercises are very powerful and i can do them only for very few minutes a day otherwise i become very crabby and confused. i am a capricorn, aries rising: icy algebraic schemes and volcanic eruptions -- at the same time! wally< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:51:11 -0400 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Overuse of The word "Like" NJC But isn't this an American phenomenon? I noticed that too when talking to most undergrad students in UNC and even among grad students. Interestingly, I haven't heard any of my professors say it, unless of course the word is used for what it represents rather than as an expression. Joseph in CH (baffled by a lot of American ways) Quoting anon anon : > One thing that has been bothering me a great deal lately is the > fact that > so MANY people overuse the word "like" so OFTEN...(I counted one > person > saying "Like" literally 20 times in one minute...Will this ever > end,do you > think??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:55:37 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) This is a great one. Here are my 5... Beth Orton - Trailer Park This one was a grower! I saw 'She Cries Your Name' on MTV2 (it was good for something) and fell in love with it. Then I picked the album up cheap and was a bit lost with some of the tracks. Now I like them all even those so called 'trip-hop' ones! Haven't got the new album though because I thought 'Concrete Sky' was a weak single. Gemma Hayes - Night On My Side Another grower! I've seen her live twice and she puts on a great show. She can rock and be gentle - the album is a mix of that. 'Ran For Miles' is lovely and 'Tear on my Side'; though she more or less sings the same line through out the song - there is a lot of emotion. I recommend her 2 previous EP's even more strongly! 4:25 am is 'folky' Gemma and 'Work To A Calm' is 'rocky' Gemma and they are both excellent. New album soon I hope! Carole King - Fantasy I love 'Tapestry' but find this one much more interesting and repeatable. Though her lyrics are still simple as ever she deals with a lot of issues and she pulls off a lot of different musical styles. 'Directions' I didn't think too much of to begin with but is now a favourite. Kate Bush - anything apart from 'The Red Shoes' (oh Kate!) I don't know how familiar you American listers are with her work but she really is worth checking out. 'Lionheart' (it flows so well) and 'The Dreaming' (definitely my favourite album that was released the year I was born) are very under-rated and perhaps her best. Thea Gilmore - Rules For Jokers Heavily influenced by Mr Dylan, and Joni too I believe. a lot of interesting instruments, face slapping lyrics and folk-rock music. She gets an album out every year and I think they are all pretty good. Steve NP: Lonely Lady - Joan Armatrading - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > I was thinking about how much we all care about Joni and her music but > also how passionate we are about music in general. It prompted me to pose the > following: how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our > favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; > somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or even new. > But I'm not talking about the well-known, obvious things we've all heard > (and already decided we either like it/own it or not.) I'm talking about > lesser-known, possibly obscure albums or groups or maybe obscure albums by more > well-known artists. > I suggest we list a brief synopsis of the album or why we think other > LMDLers might like it (maybe it sounds like or reminds you of another > artist/group that others could relate to; maybe you think the performer or group is > really great for whatever reason, etc.) > Of course, I've got some suggestions in my head but before I offer them > up, I wanted to see if this was something other members felt was worthwhile and > if it's acceptable in this area of the site or is there another LMDL > area/archive it would be better directed to. > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:57:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc > But the Canadians seem more adult -- more secure. They aren't afraid of > foreigners. They aren't afraid of homosexuality. Most of all, they're not > afraid of each other. This all ROCKS! I'm movin' up North! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > > But the Canadians seem more adult -- more secure. > They aren't afraid of > > foreigners. They aren't afraid of homosexuality. > Most of all, they're not > > afraid of each other. > > This all ROCKS! I'm movin' up North! > > Lori Well, you know you can stay with me until you get a place. Same offer goes to anyone on list (unless you're a psycho, LOL - prove that you're not first!) I'd love the company and am planning on getting rid of my crappy old sofas - futons seem like a good investment (first must get money to pay for these!) Yeah, I got a room you can stay in If you promise you won't make too much noise... btw, not to take away from my fellow Canadians' so-called tolerance, there is still a majority (not a large one though) that opposes gay marriage, so, even though people are getting married, the law hasn't actually changed yet, and the usual people are writing to their MPs and MPPs to oppose it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:28:05 EDT From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: DARK CAFE DAYS RETURNS' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:28:36 +1000 From: Melissa Subject: Re: Intolerance Achievement Award on 11/9/03 3:35 AM, Bree Mcdonough at bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com wrote: > > > >> From: Catherine McKay >> Reply-To: Catherine McKay >> To: Melissa , joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: Intolerance Achievement Award >> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:34:45 -0400 (EDT) >> >> --- Melissa wrote: The >>> Hissing of Summer Lawns was playing on the CD >>> (Harry's House, to be >>> precise). Naturally, when he turned the ignition >>> on, Joni came blaring out >>> of the speakers. His comment last night was "When >>> are you going to grow out >>> of your obsession with this bitch?" I told him the >>> bad news - Joni is here >>> to stay. >> >> And he's not, of course? ;) > > LOL!!!!!!!!! On the dismal day...you've made me laugh! Thanks!! > > Bree > >> >> ===== >> Catherine >> Toronto >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > He's still here and so is Joni. If an ultimatum were ever issued, I spose Joni and I would miss him sometimes... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:31:44 -0400 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) I'll bite... or gnaw...whatever. Cat Power - You Are Free I was in a welcome party for incoming grad students and noticed that since no one is paying attention to the music, that I will surreptitiously put a CD I like. I searched for our host's CD collection (no Joni, sorry) and placed Rickie Lee Jones' _Traffic From Paradise_ in the CD player. One of my professors saw me and asked me who I put in the tray and we got to discuss music as though we speak the same musical language (one minute we didn't know each other, the next minute we thought we were closer in some ways not related to affinity or academic leanings). After discussing Joe Henry, Jeff Fahey and (who else?) James Taylor, we talked about female songwriters from Fiona Apple to Kate Bush and even esoteric stuff like Diamanda Galas and Cesaria Evora. Then, he said that he had the album just for me. As he cannot remember it at the time (alcoholic drinks can do that) he promised to tell me about it when he remembers her/them. After our once- a-week class, he got a CD in his portfolio and handed me Cat Power's abovementioned album with an endorsement: "you'll love her". I listened to the album and the first thing that interested me was the lead singer's voice (her name is Chan Marshall - prononounced "Shawn"). Part Toni Childs/Alana Davis with a Sinead O'Connor silky langours, but can turn into a Beth Gibbons and Anja Garbarek the next. I listened to the album's progression from one song to the next and just when I thought I had it figured out what genre she is, she keeps on eluding me -- like its part of her charm. I haven't been to the dissection of her lyrics first, but this album will appeal probably not to all, but those who are fans of the abovementioned singers who she sounds closest to, may want to get this album. Turned out this is already the group's 4th album. Can I call this album dreamy pop? Or cabaret trip hop? Rickie Lee Jones - Its Like This I like this woman as much as Joniand in this album of mostly standards, she confirmed what I knew all along: that aside from Betty Carter, Holly COle and Patricia Barber, RLJ can deconstruct a popular song and deliver a statement. And usually straight to the heart. Patricia O'Callaghan - Real Emotional Girl This woman may not be to anyone's taste because she, at first listen, sounds like those operatic singers who cross over to theatre songs. But upon closer listen, you will know that she is more Joan Baez than Joan Sutherland. And her choice of songs nod to Leonard Cohen and Kurt Weill (4 songs for each composer) and a Dylan and a Randy Newman. She sounds like she is not luxuriating in the glorious grandeur of her voice, but when necessary, as in Cohen's _The Singer Must Die_, she unleashed a coloratura that felt right for the song. If only for Cohen and Weill, this album is a must-have. Carol Sloane - When I Look In Your Eyes She is a senior jazz singer who must be about the ages of Abbey Lincoln and Ernestine Anderson. She swings just like the best of them. But her voice is quite something: warm and engaging like homemade cookies (Edie Brickell might sound like this when she grows older and decide to sing jazz). And she can also make you pay attention to lyrics. I must have heard the title song many times (most famously by Diana Krall) but Sloane almost made me cry with hers. Same with her version of _Too Late Now_. Kendra Shank - Reflections She is another jazz singer you may have heard before but can't quite name. Her voice is a smoky instrument and works best when her tempo is impossibly slow like Shirley Horn's. And she is so well integrated in the whole band that lots of time you feel her voice is just one of the instruments and her vocals just another horn given time a solo time to improvise. But her improvisation is not like Anita O'Day or Dianne Reeves. Hers is quite slow and you feel she is taking her time. And I love this album even if the Beatles' _Let It Be_ is not for her style. But, she should be heard more often by a lot of discerning listeners. Joseph in Chapel Hill (should start poring over the enormous reading list soon if he wants to stay in the grad program) Quoting StephenToogood : > This is a great one. Here are my 5... > > Beth Orton - Trailer Park > This one was a grower! I saw 'She Cries Your Name' on MTV2 (it was > good for > something) and fell in love with it. Then I picked the album up cheap > and > was a bit lost with some of the tracks. Now I like them all even > those so > called 'trip-hop' ones! Haven't got the new album though because I > thought > 'Concrete Sky' was a weak single. > > Gemma Hayes - Night On My Side > Another grower! I've seen her live twice and she puts on a great > show. She > can rock and be gentle - the album is a mix of that. 'Ran For Miles' > is > lovely and 'Tear on my Side'; though she more or less sings the same > line > through out the song - there is a lot of emotion. I recommend her 2 > previous > EP's even more strongly! 4:25 am is 'folky' Gemma and 'Work To A > Calm' is > 'rocky' Gemma and they are both excellent. New album soon I hope! > > Carole King - Fantasy > I love 'Tapestry' but find this one much more interesting and > repeatable. > Though her lyrics are still simple as ever she deals with a lot of > issues > and she pulls off a lot of different musical styles. 'Directions' I > didn't > think too much of to begin with but is now a favourite. > > Kate Bush - anything apart from 'The Red Shoes' (oh Kate!) > I don't know how familiar you American listers are with her work but > she > really is worth checking out. 'Lionheart' (it flows so well) and > 'The > Dreaming' (definitely my favourite album that was released the year I > was > born) are very under-rated and perhaps her best. > > Thea Gilmore - Rules For Jokers > Heavily influenced by Mr Dylan, and Joni too I believe. a lot of > interesting > instruments, face slapping lyrics and folk-rock music. She gets an > album out > every year and I think they are all pretty good. > > Steve > > NP: Lonely Lady - Joan Armatrading ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:35:10 EDT From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: DARK CAFE DAYS returns to Chicago Hey all - It's been quite awhile since I've posted someting, but I still love lurking about and reading Joni stuff. Many of you came to see Foiled Again's Joni Tribute show DARK CAFE DAYS in Chicago and we are pleased to announce that the three of us and our show won a 2003 After Dark Award from Gay Chicago Magazine for Outstanding Cabaret Artists. We couldn't have done it without Joni and devoted fans coming to see our show. In celebration we are doing an encore one-night only performance of DARK CAFE DAYS on October 24th at 10:30 PM. We'll be at the same venue, Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret 1383 N Milwaukee, Chicago. Reservations can be made by calling 773.278.1830. For those of you who are fans of Allison Bazarko - that sexy gal who belted out "Blue Motel Room" and "Barangrill" in our show - she's currently starring in a Laura Nyro show at Davenport's. Every Friday at 10:30. Check out Davenportspianobar.com for details. Love Rob in the blue tv screen light ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:53:03 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) In no particular order: Patricia Barber - "Cafe Blue": One of my favorite albums of the decade. A pianist who on this album brilliantly mixes jazz with folk, classical, and pop. One of the few times in my life I immediately knew I was hearing something totally unique. Erica Wheeler - "The Harvest": Great voice, great songs... Greg Brown - "Poet Game": Highly underrated songwriter pens this decade's "Blood on the Tracks." John Martyn: Best unknown artist of the last 30 years? Try "Sunday's Child", "Solid Air", or "Bless the Weather" for starters. Patty Larkin - "Stranger's World": another mystery why she's not more well-known. Classy, smart, witty songwriter and a better guitarist than Joni. (blasphemy!) Just my humble opinion, of course. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:53:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc why, this is such a generous offer, cath! thank you. you have just helped me decide what chilly place i'll be visiting next february. i promise i won't make much noise. wally, packing his twenty elmer fudd hats. > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Miercoles, 10 de Septiembre de 2003 07:10 p.m. > Para: Lori Fye; Emily M. Griskavich > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc > > Well, you know you can stay with me until you get a > place. Same offer goes to anyone on list ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:00:38 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > i think that colin was on the list too at that >time because i have a recollection of his writing in my behalf as well. > i was here and recall it well. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:03:22 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #455 so enough about me, let's talk about something else...me for instance. Well actually, when talking about me iam talking about myself mostly in relation to Ms. Mitchell. I first encountered the woman I often call god when i was too young to even remember names. I do remember that i was deeply moved, even at my tender age. The song "both sides now" or if you will "clouds" if you won't well i'm sorry. It was Joni singing, i'll never forget that. the voice and soul of the song was unmistakable. (tangent) It is my feeling that no one can truly convey the depth and breadth of the art like the artist herself. (back again) I was young, but longed to hear that voice, that soul again, but i didn't even know where to begin...sighhhhhhhhh. i was years later, after i'd heard another soul and voice attached to one stevie nicks and fleetwood mac in the song "sara" that my search unknowingly began. falling in love with stevie and the band, i studied her every reason and purpose and found that one of her greatest influences was none other than this person called joni Mitchell. I went right out and bought an album, and lo an behold it just happened to be "clouds"!! oh what sweet destiny!!! more next time...i'm sure you are shaking with anticipation...lolololol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:05:19 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: music for depressed days hi folks: last night or a couple of nights ago, anita gabrielle offered her disk 'wounded and healing' as music that might help. i second that emotion! i've been listening to it an awful lot this week, which would have been a dark one even if all these things hadn't befallen my friends like mags, and those of you who knew andrea. anita has had some dark times in her life, and this is clearly an album of personal growth, with songs that allow her to channel her own strength, like 'great spirit', which she did at jfest. i also love hearing 'come to the water' and remembering the harmony trio at the fest. - --- i've also finally really listened to bob's 'sweet 16, take 2' of joni covers, and there is some amazing stuff on that. i'm truly in love with avalon hotel's 'blue'. i really can't understand how bob can listen to so many covers, but the gems are... gems. thanks bob. patrick np - anita gabrielle - (your love) takes me back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:10:17 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) 5 choices: Eminem, The Eminem Show - because it is great, because my grandson loves it, because we play it a lot together, and because very few who condemn him have taken the time to listen to what he is *really* saying as opposed to what *the media* says he is saying. This is one of my favorite albums ever. The combination of a great rapper with tremendous wit and insights that you might only understand if you think of him as a social observer as Lenny Bruce was, or George Carlin kind of was, except with a bigger audience. Besides, he is one of the very few who in the wake of September 11th said out loud the words "... no friend of Bush..." and attacked the Bush administration head on. And I could go on but I won't. And you expected an Eminem plug from me anyway. Carlisle Floyd's "Susannah" sung by Cheryl Studler, Samuel Ramey, and Jerry Hadley. It is an American opera! And it is good! And the heroine does not die - she chases every one off with a shot gun! And the line "I wouldn't touch those peas of hers" is funny only in context but it is the funniest line ever in any opera. And there is a little Rev Olin Blitch in all of us. Nirvana: Unplugged in New York. Simply. Because. A Saturday Tradition: University of Michigan Marching Band. I am one of the thousands who show up early to march to the stadium with the band and stay after for the post game show and march with the band back to the band building. The Entry cadence, the M Fanfare, the Victors, and Temptation and "you can't have one without the other" Hawaiian War Chant, and the Yellow and Blue are as much a part of my life as any music is. And I am sucker for a great marching band and this is one of the best. Handel's Messiah: A Soulful Celebration. Executive Producers Norman Miller, Gail Hamilton, and Mervyn Warren. Even Bob Muller would like this if he listened to it. I love music reinterpreted and this rocks. and that leads to a sixth: Linkin Park, Reanimation. A remix of their Hybrid Theory album. I think the music here is brilliant, and certainly creative. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:58:20 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: private email forwarding njc (for aol members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: Enviado: miircoles, 10 de septiembre de 2003 23:40 Asunto: RE: private email forwarding njc > this is very tricky territory. several years ago i got caught up in a very > nasty private mail war with a list member. i was very naive about discussion > list affairs then: i used to erase posts regularly and i never thought of > forwarding this person's posts to les. the other party, however, DID forward > my replies to les and to the list... in a very conveniently EDITED form. i > appeared in the worst possible light, to the point that some of my posts > could be construed as DEATH THREATS to this person's offsprings!!! it sounds > so crazy but it distressed me enormously. i was relatively new on the list > so people didn't know what to think about me. i remember MG and patrick > leader were very helpful. i think that colin was on the list too at that > time because i have a recollection of his writing in my behalf as well. to > this day i shudder whenever i remember that situation. > from that day on, i have kept every single thing everyone has sent to the > list and TO ME. > i have had my fights on the list but they were all public. all the private > correspondence that i have since kept with many list members has always been > wonderful and very encouraging. > marcel and i have corresponded sporadically. i like his music and especially > his voice. he was kind enough to send me two of his cd's. that is all i have > to say on the this specific matter. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:00:22 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! (for aol members) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: "Kate Bennett" ; Enviado: miircoles, 10 de septiembre de 2003 23:18 Asunto: RE: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! > how i envy you, kate! yours is a piscean skill. i am actually trying to > learn how to have no thoughts. i am doing yoga exercises everyday but it is > VERY hard. i can never turn my thinking processes off. but i feel that i've > been making a little progress recently. these exercises are very powerful > and i can do them only for very few minutes a day otherwise i become very > crabby and confused. i am a capricorn, aries rising: icy algebraic schemes > and volcanic eruptions -- at the same time! > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > En nombre de Kate Bennett > > Asunto: Re: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! > > > > lol, that is so me catherine! just staring no thoughts AT all & trying to > > make something up when someone asks me what i'm thinking! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #457 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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