From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #456 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 456 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Intolerance Achievement Award [Melissa ] Re: Depression (njc) now Grief ["kakki" ] Re: Tolkien content- a small milestone(njc) ["kakki" ] Re: Intolerance Achievement Award [Catherine McKay ] Re: Thanks and a request njc [Ed Beauchamp ] Parsonage Lane special offer!!!(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Thanks and a request NJC [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] repeats njc [tantra-apso ] Tolerant Achievement Award (long) ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Tolerant Achievement Award (long) [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Come Back to the Five & Dime, Patti Smith (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) [tantra-apso ] Re: Intolerance Achievement Award ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! ["Kate Bennett" ] The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:30:27 +1000 From: Melissa Subject: Intolerance Achievement Award Reading the posts in response to "Getting to Know You" has prompted me to propose a competition for the most intolerant comment made about Joni. I have two entries, both attributed to my husband (he is a high achiever when it comes to intolerance of Joni). My first ever Joni CD was "Hits" which includes the track Woodstock (some of you will recall from my earlier post that I was rather fond of playing my "Hits" CD). Anyway, one day, my husband Peter came home from work on a Saturday in a particularly tetchy mood and walked into the house at the end of Woodstock - you know the bit where Joni is sort of, well, wailing. My husband screamed "Who is that screaming banshee?" This only made me want to play Joni at more frequent intervals and at higher volumes. The second entry occurred just last night while he was driving my car. The Hissing of Summer Lawns was playing on the CD (Harry's House, to be precise). Naturally, when he turned the ignition on, Joni came blaring out of the speakers. His comment last night was "When are you going to grow out of your obsession with this bitch?" I told him the bad news - Joni is here to stay. Over to you... NP: Joni "screaming" Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:29:18 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Depression (njc) now Grief Mags, Your tribute to your brother and subsequent thoughts sent about him have been very beautiful. I cannot truly imagine the grief you are experiencing but have personally felt conforted and touched by your expressions. You have elevated the memory and essence of your brother in a most outstanding way and I think we are all enriched by it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:33:43 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Tolkien content- a small milestone(njc) Victor, This is a really fantastic milestone. I'm thrilled for you!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:55:17 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Bree wrote: > I think it is just...wrong ..wrong..wrong....to share private OFF-list > e-mails with the entire list. No matter with the best intention. > ....unless someone gives you their permission. I want to stick to this subject alone and not the rest of the related thread. I agree with you Bree and have maintained the same for a long time here. When I first joined the list I was privately harassed, along with a number of others, by someone. Someone else wrote to me privately and asked me to share the harassing emails with them. I assumed naively that this person was being supportive and so confided in them. Later I learned this person had forwarded on all my private emails to a number of persons, many of whom were sympathetic to the harasser. I learned then to be wary of people who come out of nowhere offering to "help" in a list issue. Anytime I see someone forward private emails to the list I just cringe because of my own experience. A long time ago a few people would say on the list that one shouldn't write anything privately to someone here that they wouldn't want posted to the entire list. I disagree with that attitude. I would say, rather, be careful who you confide in unless you have seen it proven that you can trust that person. I have also heard about instances of people's private emails being forwarded about to several others. What is the point? Talk about creepy. People need to mind their own business more and let individuals work out their own problems in private with as little group intervention as possible, especially if both parties concerned did not agree to the group intervention. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Intolerance Achievement Award --- Melissa wrote: The > Hissing of Summer Lawns was playing on the CD > (Harry's House, to be > precise). Naturally, when he turned the ignition > on, Joni came blaring out > of the speakers. His comment last night was "When > are you going to grow out > of your obsession with this bitch?" I told him the > bad news - Joni is here > to stay. And he's not, of course? ;) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:00:02 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Bree wrote: << I think it is just...wrong ..wrong..wrong....to share private OFF-list e-mails with the entire list. No matter with the best intention....unless someone gives you their permission. >> And Kakki wrote: << I want to stick to this subject alone and not the rest of the related thread. I agree with you Bree and have maintained the same for a long time here. >> In general you're both right - and I still maintain that this rule must have exceptions, as nearly all rules do. The post that Marcel sent which was forwarded to the list was one of a series directed at one particular list member, who had *repeatedly* asked him not to email her privately. He continued relentlessly, and there is every reason to believe that he would have continued ad infinitum if she had not taken this drastic action. Nobody could have been unaware of his actions, except if they refused to believe the accusations against him. I argue that blowing the whistle on him was the only way for this lister to stop this intolerable harrassment. And as to the matter of the rights of (in this case) an abusive harrasser to privacy, to quote Harry Callahan, well, I'm all broke up about that man's rights. I'm sorry, but would you not agree that there are circumstances in which someone, by their actions, must be deemed to have *waived* their right to have their privacy respected?? Marcel had fuck-all respect for the person whose privacy *he* was invading. He could therefore expect no such favours himself, as far as I'm concerned. Azeem in London NP: Maria McKee - High Dive ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:58:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: That RS top 100 guitarists list NJC > Sorry > I got the story wrong. No need to apologize, Kenny...this list was pretty ill-conceived and wacky anyway, created mostly to get attention & controversy. Really & truly, it's difficult at best, and most likely impossible to throw ALL genres of guitarists into one heap. I mean, there are blues guitarists, jazz guitarists, rock guitarists, flamenco, etc. and etc. With each genre came different innovations and styles. Then of course they threw that chick dulcimer player in there too! :~) Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Summer Soft" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:18:21 EDT From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #455 In a message dated 10/09/03 00:01:10 Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > In a message dated 9/9/2003 7:20:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > people who say you think too much are usally pretty dense! It's a pity > more people don't think. > > > Thinking about thinking, I was thinking that I think too much, that is I > spend an awful lot of time in my head. Thinkers are great at many things, and to > have an agile and active mind does i am sure stave off dementia in older > age. If you don't use it you lose it. However, there is something to be said for > training the mind to be less active. If an active mind and thinking too much > are the same thing. To be able to still the mind offers us a special kind of > freedom and liberation, in doing so it nurtures the intuitive aspects. > Often-times we all really do benefit from getting out of our heads. It doesn't > need to be one or the other, all or nothing. Maybe our loved ones see our > furrowed brow and want to ease some of that pressure of thought. If someone tells > me i think too much, I am inclined to watch my feeling response and explore > that. After all trying to solve problems of thought with thought is like trying > to dry a wet swimsuit with a river. As a person who is trying to feel his > way through life more than think it, I can see where people are coming from > when they make such comments. Thought is so often a manifestation of the need to > control the world we live in and as such a manifestation of insecurity. I > say this in the awareness that what i am sharing here is true for me but may > not be the case for you. > > Clive > > np liz wright Salt ( love it) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:37:47 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: What works for depression? NJC Oh this has been a wonderful thread and I am someone who gets this unwanted visitor from time to time....It seems to be more situational than emotional but it is there and I hate it but acknowledge its arrival and cheer its retreat..... But What has worked for me in lifting it this time around was meeting people at the Fest. Somehow this changed things for me so way beyond any medication and,although I felt a bit low after.. (I missed you all flowing in and out of my visiual horizon) I somehow felt uplifted that the people here on this list are real people with real thoughts and voices and lives and they hug really well and they make me laugh until my sides ache and I spill my beer.... In and around all the fall out from the various deaths we have shared here on the list... and all our feelings of loss and abandonment and real, heartfelt shock and disbelief at losing people we either have loved for years, know well or have only known as words on a screen, there has been for me a reaffirmation that we are a community in spirit. All the discussion of inner circles, and those who are concerned about them seems to miss the point that this is a community of people who are here, primarily, for a shared enjoyment of Joni... Within the group there are those who remain JONI ONLY... they are no more an inner circle than those who go to fest are an inner circle. There are other circles which we form .......but then that is just a reflection of life....... and the people we gel with are the ones we gel with........ We cannot gel with everyone but I think it is true to say that on the whole we can all claim to be part of this community whether you are someone on the fringe, who cares to look and not post much, or whether, because you are more extrovert or just like to take part more often, you tend to get stuck in with all that is going on... I feel part of a family here whatever circles there may be within it.....and, although it is a virtual family for the main part, I am glad I found this place. The people in it have changed my day without knowing they do it, and my feelings are those of love and friendship towards you all. Lucy... who is waiting for a call from the vet about her dog who has torn a cruciate ligament and is probably costing me about #100 an hour ($160) for each day he is in the dog hospital...... thank who ever that I was wise enough to pay for an insurance plan....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Beauchamp Subject: Re: Thanks and a request njc Hi Colin, I hear what you are saying. This issue is quite like the "I don't know what art is but I know what I like" thing. As an example, you say that "deciding what is and isn't JC just confuses the issue" - point taken - yet a few sentences earlier you presented quite a precise definition of JC. I think this illustrates the difficulty and futility of creating iron-clad rules. For this reason, I would rather have posters err on the side of liberality than miss some of the great, though marginally-Joni posts I have read. I would suggest that my examples of guitar tunings and dulcimers have a direct line back to Joni and would therefore fall within the Joni framework we all love to discuss and read about. I would also suggest that the numerous posts on today's only-Joni list about Warren Zevon's passing do not connect back to Joni in some way (except in the most broad "they're both singer/songwriters" sense). And lately there has been a preponderance of blatantly non-Joni-anything posts, and it was these to which I was referring. The reason that I did not tag my post NJC is that I wanted to reach the largest audience, including those Joni-onlies, since it was also a thanks to everyone. Was I correct in doing so? I dunno. Did I understand the implications of doing so? Yep - and that's all I'd ask others to consider when posting. Thanks for your thought-provoking reply and for the chance to clarify my statements. Ed - --- tantra-apso wrote: > Ed Beauchamp wrote: > > > Now, I myself tend to be a bit liberal as > >to what I think qualifies as Joni content - > thoughts > >on playing dulcimers and odd guitar tunings would > >qualify as being Joni-related even with no Joni > >mention, IMO. > > > now you see ed this is exactly where the problem > lies! People deciding > for themsleves what constitutes Joni Content! The > rule is quite simple: > if you are not directly writing about Joni, then it > should be marked > NJC. (as you post should have been). > You are correct tho, there have been posts just > recently, that should > have had the tag, that did not. One reason for this > is that someone will > write a post,possibly a newbie, forget the NJC tag > and responders will > also forget the NJC tag, as one does not always read > the subject line > fully. > > So i agree with you but at the same time am pointing > out that EVERYONE, > including yourself, should stick to it. > Human, being what they are, will forget sometimes. > Unilaterally(?) > deciding what is and what isn't JC, just confuses > the issue. > > > > > > > > > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Anyway, in honor of September 10th, I will be offering "Parsonage Lane" at the price of TEN dollars plus $2.25 shipping and handling(international pls add $1.00). This offer is good on orders sent through Friday, September 12th. Send a check or money order to: Victor Johnson P.O. Box 43 Decatur, Georgia 30031 Payments also accepted through paypal at waytobluemusic@earthlink.net (checking account only) thanks, Victor NP: David Sylvian "Let the Happiness In" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Beauchamp Subject: Re: Thanks and a request NJC Hi Jerry, You make a valid point, one I had considered myself as I personally find these shades of distinction to be useful. And I do understand that Joni-only doesn't mean only-Joni (try saying that 3 times fast :0). What I was suggesting was that if you are tagging your post "No Joni Content" with the intention of keeping it off of the only-Joni list, well, it ain't gonna work. Not to split hairs, but as far as letting the Joni Only people know that there is Joni content (and not even getting into the black hole of what Joni content is)- if there isn't any Joni content, why is it on the Joni only list to begin with? Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts and the opportunity to respond. Ed - --- notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: > Quoting Ed Beauchamp : > > > > > And BTW, my understanding is that only the "NJC" > tag > > will work properly - "VLJC", "SJC", > > or "a wee bit JC", creative as they are, will not > be > > correctly interpreted by the mail server that > sorts > > these things out. > > > But it will let the Joni Only people know that there > is Joni content, and the amount, and allow the > reader to read, or delete, at will. Joni Only does > not mean that there is only Joni content, but that > there is Joni content is the post, no matter how > small. > > Jerry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:11:53 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Thanks and a request NJC Ed, That is why in my reply I left out the "No Joni Content." That tag will not keep it from Joni Onlies from getting the post and is a valid concern. for the Joni Onlies. My reply had to do with "VLJC, SJC, and a wee bit of JC." My point was they are valid because they do not filter out posts to Joni Onlies, as they they should not becuase they have Joni content, little though it might be. And they are further helpful because the Joni Onlies can delete them without reading them if they wish. Jerry Quoting Ed Beauchamp : > Hi Jerry, > > You make a valid point, one I had considered myself as > I personally find these shades of distinction to be > useful. And I do understand that Joni-only doesn't > mean only-Joni (try saying that 3 times fast :0). What > I was suggesting was that if you are tagging your post > "No Joni Content" with the intention of keeping it off > of the only-Joni list, well, it ain't gonna work. Not > to split hairs, but as far as letting the Joni Only > people know that there is Joni content (and not even > getting into the black hole of what Joni content is)- > if there isn't any Joni content, why is it on the Joni > only list to begin with? Thanks, I appreciate your > thoughts and the opportunity to respond. > > Ed > > --- notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: > > Quoting Ed Beauchamp : > > > > > > > > And BTW, my understanding is that only the "NJC" > > tag > > > will work properly - "VLJC", "SJC", > > > or "a wee bit JC", creative as they are, will not > > be > > > correctly interpreted by the mail server that > > sorts > > > these things out. > > > > > But it will let the Joni Only people know that there > > is Joni content, and the amount, and allow the > > reader to read, or delete, at will. Joni Only does > > not mean that there is only Joni content, but that > > there is Joni content is the post, no matter how > > small. > > > > Jerry > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:12:02 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: repeats njc anyone else getting the same messages over and over? I am subbed with 2 different addies but the messages are repeating to both addies. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:07:36 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Tolerant Achievement Award (long) My ex-wife was intolerant about Joni (thus the ex part). But I have a pretty cool tale about my dad. See Dad was this good old boy American redneck (straight out of King of the Hill but not that sensitive). Flat top, beer belly, ex baseball player and everybody's buddy except the few pot smokers and feminist on our block. His favorite album was John Wayne - America, Why I Love Her. Get the point. So you can imagine how he felt about Bob Dylan, Neil Young,Yes, Joni or anything else that came out of my room during my teen years. Well about 1978 Dad decides he wants to go fishing so he comes into my room makes me sign over a paycheck and tells me to get the following week off and we are driving 750 miles to Grants Pass, Oregon to fish for Steelhead. I had this 63 Chevy Pickup with 3 on the tree that I took everywhere when I went on long trips because if it broke I could fix it. So we loaded up the truck with it's underdash slide in Cassette player and hit the road. I did make a couple of tapes for Dad before I left so he could have some music to listen to (John Wayne, Bing Crosby, etc) and of course packed Court, Hissing and Heijra. He drove out of LA why listening to talk radio (the usual we leave at 4:30 in the morning with a thermos full of coffee and a couple of Winchel's Donuts in our guts) and finally somewhere over the Ridge Route or Grapevine or whatever you call it Dad flips in one of his tapes. Now I imagined I would never get to listen to mine unless he was sound to sleep and I could keep it low enough that he wouldn't here it. After his tape was through both sides the old man looks at me and says you want to pop in one of yours. Shock was the first thing and then of course I said no because I didn't want him to curse about she sounds like shit or how can you listen to that crap, etc, etc. But he said no go ahead I like to hear some of it. So I stuck in Heijra and let is go, and you know how we usually throw a few extra songs off another album to fill up the 90 minute tape, well Woodstock came on and he didn't even say a word thought he was very opinionated about the whole thing over the years. Near the end of the tape he makes the comment, you know she really does have a good voice and the music is pretty cool to drive to. Over the next 500 miles we listened to a couple of more of the tapes and he didn't seem to care and I remember sleeping peacefully for an hour waking up to him still having the tape in. Dad and I had fought like enemies for the first 19 years of my life and it was pretty turmultous relationship but that was the turning point that trip, when the fishing guide slapped me with the paddle for not watching my lure Dad just laughed and checked his. He would have yelled at me in the past. We drank a few beers together that trip and talked about doing another one but we never got the chance. He passed away three years later from Cancer, those 2 1/2 packs of unfiltered Pall Mall's finally got to him. I remember when we asked him to smoke filtered cigarettes his comment back to us "I ain't gonna smoke no cancer stick with a tampax on the end." I had two great years with Dad and some Joni memories that I will always cherish. Peace, Craig NP: Derek Webb - Wedding Dress ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc > People need to mind their own business more and let individuals work out > their own problems in private with as little group intervention as > possible, especially if both parties concerned did not agree to the group > intervention. I'm 98% in agreement with you, Kakki. My 2% disagreement is completely tethered to this most recent b.s. with Marcel. When he began to privately email Andrea -- who had no idea who he was until that day -- and when she asked me who he was, I asked her to forward his posts to me. I, in turn, forwarded them to Les. Not because Les could do anything to stop Marcel, but I wanted him to be aware that Marcel still wants and TRIES to cause problems within the JMDL. (Which is particularly disturbing given that the incidents that led up to his being unsubbed occurred TWO YEARS AGO.) Because Andrea and I were good friends, I knew she was vulnerable and, from my point of view, Marcel was seeking to exploit that vulnerability. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a good target for vitriol of Marcel's kind, and I do believe he seeks out such targets. Who knows why he does this? Certainly not me. As it happened, Andrea was having a good day and once she decided she really wasn't in harm's way, she turned the entire matter around to personal amusement, which is a great way to handle that sort of thing if you can. However, I have taken and will continue to take it upon myself from time to time, when situations like this happen, to help people who might need some assistance dealing with those sort of crap. Perhaps that's being too presumptuous or co-dependent or something, but I don't care. If Les disagrees with me about it, I know he'll let me know. Marcel and I have (or had) our own friendship, and I still get the occasional email from him (usually thanking me for having served my country). But this other aspect of him is so vicious and hurtful, it discolors the rest of what he has to offer. 'Tis a shame. Veering slightly off the immediate topic, in this particular situation concerning Marcel, if I knew who was forwarding him other people's posts and if I had the power to do so, I'd boot that person from the list, as well. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:40:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: email harrassment njc > & yes it can scare people at first...as i said it is the type of > email that most just want to immediately delete & forget...but it is > one of those things that is still going on!!!! because it is done in > private ... I did receive one or two rather nasty private emails from this guy. I didn't respond to him and it stopped. I know this didn't work for some people in this particular case, but my opinion is that generally if you don't give this type of person the reaction or attention they want, they give up and go away. Some people get a kick out of pushing other people's buttons. Don't let them do it to you. Don't be a Dancin' Clown (just for you, Bob M). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:44:54 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Tolerant Achievement Award (long) Quoting Happy The Man : > My ex-wife was intolerant about Joni (thus the ex part). But I have a > pretty > cool tale about my dad. > > See Dad was this good old boy American redneck (straight out of King of > the Posts like these make me thank the gods for our list. You made my day, Craig. Jerry (Queen of the Inner Circle) ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:26:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Come Back to the Five & Dime, Patti Smith (NJC) > P.S.- At least he didn't make me take it off, as he did with Patti > Smith's "Horses." I'll admit I was *really* pushing it with that one. > I love this. I'm sitting here chuckling at the thought of Patti Smith playing over the pa in a five and dime. I had a roommate in college who was a pk (preacher's kid). His dad was very liberal. However, when Jim blasted Jefferson Airplane's 'Easter' out the windows of the parsonage one Sunday as people were leaving church, his dad did speak to him about it. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:56:35 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) I was thinking about how much we all care about Joni and her music but also how passionate we are about music in general. It prompted me to pose the following: how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or even new. But I'm not talking about the well-known, obvious things we've all heard (and already decided we either like it/own it or not.) I'm talking about lesser-known, possibly obscure albums or groups or maybe obscure albums by more well-known artists. I suggest we list a brief synopsis of the album or why we think other LMDLers might like it (maybe it sounds like or reminds you of another artist/group that others could relate to; maybe you think the performer or group is really great for whatever reason, etc.) Of course, I've got some suggestions in my head but before I offer them up, I wanted to see if this was something other members felt was worthwhile and if it's acceptable in this area of the site or is there another LMDL area/archive it would be better directed to. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Queens - njc Quoting Steve Polifka : > I thought Jimmy was the Queen of the List??? > (Or is it bqb....) > Steve, pondering this deep question Jimmy is Queen of the List, but I am Queen of the Inner Circle! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:01:08 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) I was thinking about how much we all care about Joni and her music but also how passionate we are about music in general. It prompted me to pose the following: how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or even new. But I'm not talking about the well-known, obvious things we've all heard (and already decided we either like it/own it or not.) I'm talking about lesser-known, possibly obscure albums or groups or maybe obscure albums by more well-known artists. I suggest we list a brief synopsis of the album or why we think other LMDLers might like it (maybe it sounds like or reminds you of another artist/group that others could relate to; maybe you think the performer or group is really great for whatever reason, etc.) Of course, I've got some suggestions in my head but before I offer them up, I wanted to see if this was something other members felt was worthwhile and if it's acceptable in this area of the site or is there another LMDL area/archive it would be better directed to. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:01:16 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Tolerant Achievement Award (long) Happy The Man wrote: > >I had two great years with Dad and some Joni memories that I will always >cherish. > >Peace, Craig > > > what a moving story. thanks. > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:02:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) what is LMDL? wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:06:03 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > what is LMDL? > wally I think its the Larry McMurtry Discussion List... Victor NP: Geddy Lee "The Present Tense" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:05:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Queens - njc ed is queen consort then. i am content with my role as queen dowager, though. dowager styles suit my ample bosom better. wally, royal pain the ass > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > notaro@stpt.usf.edu > Enviado el: Miircoles, 10 de Septiembre de 2003 01:59 p.m. > Para: Steve Polifka > CC: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; Happy The Man; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Queens - njc > > > Quoting Steve Polifka : > > > I thought Jimmy was the Queen of the List??? > > (Or is it bqb....) > > Steve, pondering this deep question > > Jimmy is Queen of the List, > but I am Queen of the Inner Circle! > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:06:14 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >or is there another LMDL >area/archive it would be better directed to. > > Kenny B > > > what is the LMDL? Is it a list for 'special' members? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:22:32 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Midler - Clooney At theend of the month Bette Midler is releasing Bette Midler Sings the Rosemary Clooney Songbook. On it, she sings Sisters with Linda Rondstadt. I can hear her Com-On-a-My-House and Mambo Italiano already! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:35:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: What works for depression? NJC lucy, i often see other words than are written at first glance so for a second i thought you wrote : people with real thoughts and vices & lives! LOL! > I somehow felt uplifted that the people here on this list are real people with real thoughts and voices and lives and they hug really well and they make me laugh until my sides ache and I spill my beer.... < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:35:08 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Intolerance Achievement Award >From: Catherine McKay >Reply-To: Catherine McKay >To: Melissa , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Intolerance Achievement Award >Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:34:45 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Melissa wrote: The > > Hissing of Summer Lawns was playing on the CD > > (Harry's House, to be > > precise). Naturally, when he turned the ignition > > on, Joni came blaring out > > of the speakers. His comment last night was "When > > are you going to grow out > > of your obsession with this bitch?" I told him the > > bad news - Joni is here > > to stay. > >And he's not, of course? ;) LOL!!!!!!!!! On the dismal day...you've made me laugh! Thanks!! Bree > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:42:38 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) Kenny, I would be interested in participating in this. While reading your post I already thought of 2 of my favorite Texas artists (female) who are not too well known that i would like to share. db >>> 9/10/2003 11:56:35 AM >>> I was thinking about how much we all care about Joni and her music but also how passionate we are about music in general. It prompted me to pose the following: how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or even new. But I'm not talking about the well-known, obvious things we've all heard (and already decided we either like it/own it or not.) I'm talking about lesser-known, possibly obscure albums or groups or maybe obscure albums by more well-known artists. I suggest we list a brief synopsis of the album or why we think other LMDLers might like it (maybe it sounds like or reminds you of another artist/group that others could relate to; maybe you think the performer or group is really great for whatever reason, etc.) Of course, I've got some suggestions in my head but before I offer them up, I wanted to see if this was something other members felt was worthwhile and if it's acceptable in this area of the site or is there another LMDL area/archive it would be better directed to. Kenny B This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:38:19 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Fw: Queens - njc (for aol members) :-)) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Wally Kairuz" Para: ; "Steve Polifka" CC: "Happy The Man" ; Enviado: miircoles, 10 de septiembre de 2003 19:05 Asunto: RE: Queens - njc > ed is queen consort then. > i am content with my role as queen dowager, though. dowager styles suit my > ample bosom better. > wally, royal pain the ass > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > > notaro@stpt.usf.edu > > Enviado el: Miircoles, 10 de Septiembre de 2003 01:59 p.m. > > Para: Steve Polifka > > CC: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; Happy The Man; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Queens - njc > > > > > > Quoting Steve Polifka : > > > > > I thought Jimmy was the Queen of the List??? > > > (Or is it bqb....) > > > Steve, pondering this deep question > > > > Jimmy is Queen of the List, > > but I am Queen of the Inner Circle! > > > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:05:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! >Ironically, sometimes people accuse me of thinking when all I'm doing is staring into space and there's absolutely no brainwave activity going on at all. You can't win, can you?< lol, that is so me catherine! just staring no thoughts AT all & trying to make something up when someone asks me what i'm thinking! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:05:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the wind njc >Who has seen the wind neither you nor I, but when the trees bow down their heads the wind is passing by. - Christina Rossetti.< i love that...there is another that i can't recal the author that goes like this, i think: "what does the wind know that makes the trees let go of their leaves" does anyone know who wrote that line? i used to be unsettled by the wind but maybe that is because where i live the wind often is equated with wildfires...it comes at sundown & often in the heat of summer...our house is in a very windy place so i have gotten used to it...often it blows so hard our windows shake & our wooden patio furniture falls over...that is usually in winter... i have always loved the wind in hawaii, such a soothing, warm, comforting, peaceful wind- for years i wanted to write a song about it & finally i did...you will have to buy the record to learn more about it as there is a cool story to how it was written... but first i will have to record it! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:08:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) when it looks in the mirror! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:10:04 -0500 From: "Emily M. Griskavich" Subject: FW: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc -----Original Message----- From: Emily M. Griskavich Sent: Thu 8/28/2003 12:35 PM To: joni@smoe.com Cc: Subject: Praise Canadaa, Praise Canadaaaa! njc Hey, Everybody! I got this from an acquaintance in Iowa who got it from her Canadian daughter in law. Maybe those of you who've spent time in Canada can affirm or disprove the statements here. I think it's a hoot.--EG NPIMH: "I'll Say Forever," Hall & Oates >Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette >Website: http://www.post-gazette.com/ >You live next door to a clean-cut, quiet guy. He never plays loud music or throws raucous parties. He doesn't gossip over the fence, just smiles politely and offers you some tomatoes. His lawn is cared-for, his house is neat as a pin and you get the feeling he doesn't always lock his front door. He wears Dockers. You hardly know he's there. > >And then one day you discover that he has pot in his basement, spends his weekends at peace marches and that guy you've seen mowing the yard is his spouse. Allow me to introduce Canada. The Canadians are so quiet that you may have forgotten they're up there, but they've been busy doing some surprising things. It's like discovering that the mice you are dimly aware of in your attic have been building an espresso machine. > >Did you realize, for example, that our reliable little tag-along brother never joined the Coalition of the Willing? Canada wasn't willing, as it turns out, to join the fun in Iraq. I can only assume American diner menus weren't angrily changed to include "freedom bacon," because nobody here eats the stuff anyway. > >And then there's the wild drug situation: Canadian doctors are authorized to dispense medical marijuana. Parliament is considering legislation that would not exactly legalize marijuana possession, as you may have heard, but would reduce the penalty for possession of under 15 grams to a fine, like a speeding ticket. This is to allow law enforcement to concentrate resources on traffickers; if your garden is full of wasps, it's smarter to go for the nest rather than trying to swat every individual bug. Or, in the United States, bong. > >Now, here's the part that I, as an American, can't understand. These poor benighted pinkos are doing everything wrong. They have a drug problem: Marijuana offenses have doubled since 1991. And Canada has strict gun control laws, which means that the criminals must all be heavily armed, the law-abiding civilians helpless and the government on the verge of a massive confiscation campaign. > >(The laws have been in place since the '70s, but I'm sure the government will get around to the confiscation eventually.) > >They don't even have a death penalty! > >And yet .. nationally, overall crime in Canada has been declining since 1991. Violent crimes fell 13 percent in 2002. Of course, there are still crimes committed with guns -- brought in from the United States, which has become the major illegal weapons supplier for all of North America -- but my theory is that the surge in pot-smoking has rendered most criminals too relaxed to commit violent crimes. They're probably more focused on shoplifting boxes of Ho-Hos from convenience stores. > >And then there's the most reckless move of all: Just last month, Canada decided to allow and recognize same-sex marriages. Merciful moose, what can they be thinking? Will there be married Mounties (they always get their man!)? Dudley Do-Right was sweet on Nell, not Mel! We must be the only ones who really care about families. Not enough to make sure they all have health insurance, of course, but more than those libertines up north. > >This sort of behavior is a clear and present danger to all our stereotypes about Canada. It's supposed to be a cold, wholesome country of polite, beer-drinking hockey players, not founded by freedom-fighters in a bloody revolution but quietly assembled by loyalists and royalists more interested in order and good government than liberty and independence. > >But if we are the rugged individualists, why do we spend so much of our time trying to get everyone to march in lockstep? And if Canadians are so reserved and moderate, why are they so progressive about letting people do what they want to? > >Canadians are, as a nation, less religious than we are, according to polls. As a result, Canada's government isn't influenced by large, well-organized religious groups and thus has more in common with those of Scandinavia than those of the United States, or, say, Iran. > >Canada signed the Kyoto global warming treaty, lets 19-year-olds drink, has more of its population living in urban areas and accepts more immigrants per capita than the United States. > >These are all things we've been told will wreck our society. But I guess Canadians are different, because theirs seems oddly sound. > >Like teenagers, we fiercely idolize individual freedom but really demand that everyone be the same. But the Canadians seem more adult -- more secure. They aren't afraid of foreigners. They aren't afraid of homosexuality. Most of all, they're not afraid of each other. > >I wonder if America will ever be that cool. > > > >Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (PA) > >Author: Samantha Bennett > >Published: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 > >Copyright: 2003 PG Publishing > >Contact: letters@post-gazette.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com Subject: Re: Tolerant Achievement Award (long) - njc What a great post, Craig! Rock on ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > what is the LMDL? Is it a list for 'special' members? That's the "Limited Members Discussion List" and it's for the inner circle only. KIDDING!!! > how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our > favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; > somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or > even new. My five, off the top of my head, in no particular order, and not necessarily all that obscure (but you be the judge): Rory Block - I'm Every Woman Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels On A Gravel Road Marcia Ball - any album, pick one Joan Armatrading - Whatever's For Us Cris Williamson - The Changer And The Changed okay, one more: Melissa Manchester - Home To Myself Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com Subject: Re: LMDL members' musical recommendations (njc) > what is the LMDL? Is it a list for 'special' members? That's the "Limited Members Discussion List" and it's for the inner circle only. KIDDING!!! > how about if we all (those who want to, of course) listed five of our > favorite non-Joni albums that we would like to turn other LMDLers on to; > somethings they could find in the used CD or record bins somewhere... or > even new. My five, off the top of my head, in no particular order, and not necessarily all that obscure (but you be the judge): Rory Block - I'm Every Woman Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels On A Gravel Road Marcia Ball - any album, pick one Joan Armatrading - Whatever's For Us Cris Williamson - The Changer And The Changed okay, one more: Melissa Manchester - Home To Myself Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:37:13 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: private email forwarding njc Azeem wrote: >In general you're both right - and I still maintain that this rule must have exceptions, >as nearly all rules do. Of course, all rules have exceptions. I was speaking from my own experience with harassment here. I've stated my opinion on this a number of times here on list and privately over the course of the issue you are addressing. I think it should ultimately be worked out at either the listowner, ISP or law enforcement level (or all three). However, my greater point in my last post is on a different but related issue - the general forwarding around and posting of private email. Like Bree said there "is his truth, her truth and THE truth" in every private dispute. Involving 800 members of the audience here in any dispute does nothing more than track the shit all over the house and beyond instead of cleaning it up where it starts. This is not at all to take one side or the other on the Marcel issue and how some people want to deal with it. That is their preogative. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #456 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)