From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #455 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 455 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What works for depression? NJC [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: What works for depression? NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! ["Linda Crawford" ] Re: That RS top 100 guitarists list NJC [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! [Catherine McKay ] Re: right? njc [Les Irvin ] Re: right? njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) [Les Irvin ] Today in History: September 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: September 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) ["StephenToogood" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:31:21 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: What works for depression? NJC In a message dated 9/9/2003 7:20:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: people who say you think too much are usally pretty dense! It's a pity more people don't think. It is a pity. I had a friend in college who used to say, "you know why some people just don't think? It's because they didn't think to." Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:40:45 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What works for depression? NJC Ken writes: << I had a friend in college who used to say, "you know why some people just don't think? It's because they didn't think to." >> Thanks a lot, Ken. Now I have something else to think about! --Bob, who always used to think way too much about those THIMK signs, and what they really meant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:43:38 -0400 From: "Linda Crawford" Subject: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! On 9/9/2003 at 7:58 PM, Toronto's own Catherine, at warp speed, wrote: > I've been told by many people that I "think too much." What the feck? Am I supposed to get a lobotomy or something? How is it possible to "think too much"? God save us from well-intentioned morons!< To which I reply: The problem is, Catherine, you make those non-thinkers look bad. That is why they object to you thinking too much! If you're doing all the thinking then you make them look like idiots! Linda Crawford-with apologies to Trixie, Dixie, and Jinx the cat-in middle Georgia sewbead@starband.net http://jerrycrawford.mystarband.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Depression (njc) The mighty Wind... Hey Breezy! I absolutley adore the wind! It is easily my favorite thing in nature. Same here Bree, when the wind kicks up it totally blows my mind - it is an adrenaline rush. It is energy being replenished and sweeping in and sweeping out. Much like standing very close to a speeding train - which I also love. Or standing under the train tracks as a train powers loudly overhead - I just want to scream out in joy and release! But back to the wind - it reinstates life into a hot humid still day. I love it the harder it hits me the better - a much needed slap in the face! Who has seen the wind neither you nor I, but when the trees bow down their heads the wind is passing by. - Christina Rossetti. Peace, Susan Bree Mcdonough wrote: What is it about the wind? (Beautiful post..Sherelle...thanks for sharing) "Let The Wind Carrey ME" I don't care how down I am ...but when the wind starts stirring...I have almost a new take on life at that moment. IT might just last a few minutes....but this momentary HIGH is very real. It is as almost the wind has washed all the crap...life's minutiae away. And I can feel....FEEL ALIVE. ALIVE!! I usually run outside and try to experience it Any other windy people out there? (and no..not that wind) Bree yeah...you can feel it but can't see it... Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:54:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Depression (njc) The mighty Wind... "Frothy Eggs" Guzzi writes: << I just want to scream out in joy and release! >> God knows I tried . . . --Smurf, still blue from last month PS: I have loved all the new posts from all you newcomers, delurkers and first-timers lately. Sorry if you don't understand this message to Susan, but the story is that she was going to bear my children. We were planning on twins, a boy and a girl, whom we would name Joni and Mitchell. We had thought that maybe we would consummate our agreement at Jonifest last month, but Susan was too busy entertaining her many fans to think of me and my needs. Now she has sorta "gone Hollywood" on me, if you know what I mean, and seems to be batting her eyelashes at Wally K lately. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: wind (njc) Thanks for this little reminder Kate. After Robin died I would often for no reason hear the wind chimes Robin hung, in our dining room - chime. I would wonder what it was causing them to move. I would turn or run into the room and there appeared to be no movement. I know it was Rob letting me know she was passing through. Even now this happens for no apparent reason - and I know she is here - still. And off the subject of wind but on the subject of signs ... August 23rd was the 5th anniversary of Robin's passing. I was in my kitchen, early afternoon, when I suddenly felt a hand on my lower back - tickling me - just as Rob loved to do to make me squirm. And then she would quickly try to reach down and grab or pinch at my butt. It was soo real - I swear someone was there! Well I jumped about 3 feet off the floor! And upon my landing realized it was the anniversary - I am totally convinced this was her saying hello again. So even when the even the wind is not apparent, there is more to our life and what may not be meeting the eye, than is apparent or obvious. Signs signs everywhere signs ... Peace, Susan NP: kfog.com - John Lennon - Strange Days indeed! Thanks Loooori! Kate wrote: i told everyone to remember her when the wind blew through the chimes... the wind is blowing as i write & the chimes are sounding..." Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:14:46 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: That RS top 100 guitarists list NJC In a message dated 9/9/03 12:28:05 PM, SCJoniGuy writes: << In a message dated 9/9/2003 12:06:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PassScribe writes: > On a recent show, EVERYBODY was calling in to complain > about the Rolling Stone top 100 guitarists list. People > asked, "Where is B.B. > King?" Well then people showed their stupidity and/or blindness. He was #3 on the list... Bob, who finds BB King as overrated as Clapton >> Okay, Bob... I checked with my wife when we talked this evening. She had heard the program and said people were asking not WHERE B.B. King was but WHY he was ON the list... more in tune with YOUR feelings on the subject. Sorry I got the story wrong. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:19:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC I'll Do the Thinnin' Around Here! --- Linda Crawford wrote: > > The problem is, Catherine, you make those > non-thinkers look bad. That is > why they object to you thinking too much! If you're > doing all the thinking > then you make them look like idiots! Ironically, sometimes people accuse me of thinking when all I'm doing is staring into space and there's absolutely no brainwave activity going on at all. You can't win, can you? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: right? njc Awwww damn Bree - guess our honeymoon is over!!! LOL!!! Come on - at its worst Colins decision to send the post is iffy. I will say being here, the JMDL, is an honor ... the comfort level the freedom the camaraderie! When I first came to the list, Marcel wrote a couple of times to me, much like he did here to Andrea. I realized immediately I could never win a debate with him - and did not engage him very often or very much. I was also not as smart as he - I should say educated or as well read. But as you know I don't hold much credence for the article style of proof. Everything is slanted. Also this was soon after my loss and I was not strong nor did I have my back bone at the time ... ahem. His style was, it appears to me to escalate with his counterparts, kind of pyramiding his anger and frustration. I think he is just a stubborn child who had to have or was used to having his way. So anyway, I knew I could lose the debate but be right about the argument - I at least had that much self respect at that time. Back to that comfort level - the water seems fine now - good riddance! Also I have heard for a long time how the left here attacks the right - so what I ask, is the right doing when they reply - Hmmmm? Its all even - its all fair. There may be more to the left here, but that doesn't mean our opinions should carry any less virtue or credence based on the preponderance of our numbers either. Peace, Susan Bree Mcdonough wrote: Yes..I think it was wrong for you to do this. Now up front I will say I've had maybe three e-mails with Marcel Deste and they were just this year. I had heard good..good things about his CD. So he sent it to me gratis. I don't see why Andrea would be upset over this . I did go back to read some of the archives from September 11 2001 ..through...September 16...I";m not finished. But Frankly, there was a lot of vitriol flying both ways. It's true, I do not know what he wrote to people privately. BUT...I can tell you this.. I was involved with someone on the list who threatened to put an e-mail I had sent her to the list. The thing about doing this........no one knows what kind of things she was writing to me and accusing me of. There is my truth...her truth...AND THE TRUTH. I think it is just...wrong ..wrong..wrong....to share private OFF-list e-mails with the entire list. No matter with the best intention. ....unless someone gives you their permission. Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:30:40 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: right? njc At 9/9/2003 02:31 PM, Bree Mcdonough wrote: >I think it is just...wrong ..wrong..wrong....to share private OFF-list >e-mails with the entire list. No matter with the best intention. >....unless someone gives you their permission. I have to agree with Bree. As much as I've been tempted in the past to do the same, I think it only serves to make things worse. I wouldn't want any of my private email posted to the list, so I have to respect that in others. And, just as a reminder, the JMDL "by-laws" which we all receive when we su_bscribe says: Rule 7) Please do not post another's private email to the list without their permission. Thanks, Les NP: Shawn Phillips "Keep On" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:48:55 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: right? njc >Awwww damn Bree - guess our honeymoon is over!!! LOL!!! And just when I was thinking of taking you to Cancun. ;-O >Also I have heard for a long time how the left here attacks the right - so >what I ask, is the right doing when they reply - Hmmmm? Its all even - >its all fair. There may be more to the left here, but that doesn't mean >our opinions should carry any less virtue or credence based on the >preponderance of our >numbers either. You --know- who and I talk politics fairly often...but it never gets to the point of name calling. We listen to each other...really listen and then I try to gently persaude her why I'm right. Just kidding! Somtimes we actually agrree with each other...not very often but it has happened. And we respect each other. R E S P E C T! I agree with what you wrote above. Bree >Peace, >Susan >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _________________________________________________________________ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:46:34 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) The RIAA sees the face of evil, and it's a 12-year-old girl By Ashlee Vance in Chicago - ------------------------------------------ The RIAA has nailed one of the most prolific file-traders in the U.S., filing a lawsuit against 12-year-old Brianna LaHara. When not at the playground with her friends, "Biggie Brianna" is trading music files from her home in New York. The little girl received one of the 261 lawsuits filed by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) on Monday, according to the New York Post. She may look like a sweet and innocent child, but the RIAA says it's only going after major copyright violators at the moment. So you make the call. "I got really scared. My stomach is all turning," Brianna told the Post. "I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?" It turns out that Brianna's mum paid a $29.99 service charge to KaZaA for the company's music service. Brianna, however, thought this meant she could download songs at will. How naive! When reporters charged into Brianna's home, she was helping her brother with some homework. She is an honors student at St. Gregory the Great school. Brianna could face charges of up to $150,000 per infringed song. but we have a feeling this might be a tad unrealistic. We suggest the RIAA take all of her toys instead. "Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation," RIAA president Cary Sherman said in a statement. "But when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action." Go get her, Cary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:01:19 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 10 1990: Starting on this day, Joni's paintings form a major part of "Canada In The City", an exhibition of Canadian art, music and culture at the Broadgate Centre in London. This exhibit runs through the 21st of the month. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:01:19 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 10 On September 10 the following articles were published: 1979: "Music extraordinaire" - Santa Barbara News Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=870 1979: "Rare talent, Joni sparkles in jazz" - San Mateo Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=873 2002: "How Joni Mitchell drove me to Britney: Play based on icon's songs left writer thirsty for a beat" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Play) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=950 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:08:51 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) That is so dumb! I have no problem with MP3's at all. I don't download at the moment because my soundcard doesn't want to work but when I did, I ended up buying a lot of CD's of the Artist's I had discovered. I would never have heard anything by Janis Ian, Thea Gilmore, Laura Nyro and others I am sure! I don't think that MP3's are killing music at all though I don't think they are helping 'over produced pop' music!.. Most kids will download a few tracks from the latest 'pop' album and realise that any effort only really went into the singles and not bother buying the album - my little sister is proof of this (oh she listens to some truly terrifying stuff)! Most good credible artists like Joni especially will make an album that is as a whole a piece of art and people who like it will want it with packaging because that completes it. Any good things that pop music had going for it went under a long time a go. I think pop music will destroy it's self. Do I care; NO! That reminds me; Janis Ian wrote quite a controversial piece on MP's a few months back. It's a long read but very interesting. Anyone who is interested should check it out on www.janisian.com . Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:46 AM Subject: The RIAA sees the face of evil (njc) > The RIAA sees the face of evil, and it's a 12-year-old girl > By Ashlee Vance in Chicago > ------------------------------------------ > > The RIAA has nailed one of the most prolific file-traders in the U.S., > filing a lawsuit against 12-year-old Brianna LaHara. > > When not at the playground with her friends, "Biggie Brianna" is trading > music files from her home in New York. The little girl received one of the > 261 lawsuits filed by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) > on Monday, according to the New York Post. She may look like a sweet and > innocent child, but the RIAA says it's only going after major copyright > violators at the moment. So you make the call. > > "I got really scared. My stomach is all turning," Brianna told the Post. "I > thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for > it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?" > > It turns out that Brianna's mum paid a $29.99 service charge to KaZaA for > the company's music service. Brianna, however, thought this meant she could > download songs at will. How naive! > > When reporters charged into Brianna's home, she was helping her brother > with some homework. She is an honors student at St. Gregory the Great school. > > Brianna could face charges of up to $150,000 per infringed song. but we > have a feeling this might be a tad unrealistic. We suggest the RIAA take > all of her toys instead. > > "Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation," RIAA > president Cary Sherman said in a statement. "But when your product is being > regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate > action." > > Go get her, Cary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:06:17 +1000 From: ash Subject: Re: FW: why I keep forwarding jokes :-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:29 AM Subject: Re: FW: why I keep forwarding jokes :-) A way to go? > Hi Ash enjoyed your joke on heaven and earth. Really very appropriate at the > moment as my 99 year Mother suddenly died last Thursday. No signs , no > illness, no medication - just went as she always wanted to -- in own bed , in her own > room and peacefully. went to bed thursday night and didnt wake up. > Cheers John Ridout ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #455 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)