From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #452 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 452 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Home again (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Warren Zevon RIP (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: death (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: Warren Zevon Tribute [Michael Paz ] Re: What works for depression? [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: CSN: Joni content by 6 degrees of separation [PassScribe@aol.com] Getting to Know You (SJC) ["Linda Crawford" ] Depression and Grief ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: What works for depression? [Catherine McKay ] wind njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Tolkien content- a small milestone(njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Getting to Know You (SJC) ["Lori Fye" ] "Get over it!" (NJC) [] RE: Depression and Grief [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tolkien content- a small milestone(njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Getting to Know You (SJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] JMDL Digest V2003 #451 [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Today in History: September 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: September 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: What works for depression? NJC ["StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Warren Zevon RIP (NJC) I love this Kakki. Thanks for posting it. What a sad story of old Warren, but also I loved the way he went out by getting out that last little bit (which I am gonna buy at Tower tomorrow) qand getting to play with so many people he loved and spend time with the family before it all was over. I still think it's sad tho. Love Paz NP-Night After Sidewalk-Kaki King (Have you heard this girl??? She is amazing and of course SO young) www.kakiking.com Hear about her from the Eric Johnson list. NP-Happy as a dead pig in the sunshine > Rest in peace, excitable boy ~ > > Desperados Under The Eaves > Written By Warren Zevon > published by Warner-Tamerlane/Darkroom Music BMI, 1976 > > I was sitting in the Hollywood Hawaiian Hotel > I was staring in my empty coffee cup > I was thinking that the gypsy wasn't lyin' > All the salty margaritas in Los Angeles > I'm gonna drink 'em up > > And if California slides into the ocean > Like the mystics and statistics say it will > I predict this motel will be standing until I pay my bill > > Don't the sun look angry through the trees > Don't the trees look like crucified thieves > Don't you feel like Desperados under the eaves > Heaven help the one who leaves > > Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands > And I'm trying to find a girl who understands me > But except in dreams you're never really free > Don't the sun look angry at me > > I was sitting in the Hollywood Hawaiian Hotel > I was listening to the air conditioner hum > It went mmmmmm.. > ........................... Look > away.......................................... > (Look away down Gower Avenue, Look away....) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:32:00 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: death (njc) Nikki Thanks for sharing this. I love this kind of thoughts as opposed to beating a dead horse. Welcome to the world Gabriel! Love Paz > Anne, > I was thinking the same thing and was discussing this with a friend > yesterday. It's almost like it comes in waves. We recalled having the same > conversation a year ago. It gets heavy. I haven't said much on the list but > I am thinking about all the people who have lost somone and praying that > they are able to find some sort of peace - although I know life is forever > changed. I loved Jenny's sign...and Anne's post - and it is so wonderful > that you are here to write this post! > In the midst of all this - on Friday my friend gave birth to a beautiful, > healthy baby boy named Gabriel. Just another reminder that while there is > death, we are also surrounded by life. > > Love Nikki > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >> anne@sandstrom.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:19 PM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: death (njc) >> >> >> There's just way, WAY too much death around these days. >> I can feel it just as surely as I can see the fog >> outside my window. Andrea and Mag's Dave are the two >> examples so close to this list, and there are others >> too... >> >> I'm so sorry for your losses, Bruce and Mags. You ache >> while your loved ones discover new truths and horizons >> we can't even imagine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:46:21 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Warren Zevon Tribute David Have you recorded this? I would love to hear it if you have. If not I would like to hear it come about thru colaboration some kinda way. Best Paz > I wrote a tribute song to WZ on the day I heard he was terminally ill... > and just pulled out the lyric again today for the first time since > then. Here it is. > > -Dave > > A Task For the Departed > > There's a task for the departed > And all the broken hearted > Though I know that you've already > Given all your best > While I see that you'll be leaving > There's still something to believe in > I hope nothing will disturb you > When you take your rest > > I don't write too many love songs > I heard you say > But I'm here to tell you > Love will find a way > That is something worth remembering > When I hear you sing your song > That the good we do will carry on > Long after we're all gone > > It was all so long ago, it all began > The world has really changed a lot since then > And the people that you meet > Living lives that aren't complete > Sometimes it's really hard to find a friend > > There's an unwelcome truth > We all have to face > No one will ever take your place > Have a drink on me, my friend > Hope to see you sometime > In the end > > There's a voice still singing > In the darkness > If you listen closely > You can hear it still > That says it's hard > But keep on trying > You know I will... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:47:15 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: What works for depression? In a message dated 9/8/2003 7:41:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smarcaurele@digitalproquo.com writes: Remembering that 99% seem to be too dense to even get depressed! Yes, and Joni related a Buddhist story about the poet being miserable because he muddies his own waters. There seems to exist, a segment of humanity (myself included) who become sort of existentially depressed from looking inward for answers all the time instead of being "light". And for all the downs involved, I'm not sure I'd swap this trait for blissful lightness. It has it's gifts, and is surely one of the things that allows me my deep appreciation of Joni as well as a passion for the rich tapestry that is life. Puffed up and strutting when I think I win Down and shaken when I think I lose Ken PS isn't it interesting that Joni says "when I think I win" rather than simply "when I win." Just another example that it's really all about the stories we tell ourselves about what is happening rather than the circumstance itself. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:53:50 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: CSN: Joni content by 6 degrees of separation In a message dated 9/8/03 12:59:23 AM, lamadoo@fuse.net writes: << Some of their shows in the 70s were a bit rough. Once everyone..... uhmmm.... got healthy, they seemed to learn their parts and stay at them. >> Yeah, I have to smile everytime I see Crosby live and he sings "...It increases my paranoia...it's like lookin' in my mirror and seein' a po-lice car...." Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:54:36 -0400 From: "Linda Crawford" Subject: Getting to Know You (SJC) Hey Cindy in Birmingham and all you other good folk! You ask how I found Joni? I grew up in Norfolk, VA., and lived mostly in the Ghent area in the '60s and '70s. I had a science teacher in the 8th grade who lived in the same neighborhood. His name was Mr. Culpepper-I don't recall his first name. Anyway, Mr. Culpepper liked to bring his guitar down to the Hague. The Hague is this body of water that came off of the Elizabeth River and was surrounded by a park. And during the '60s all of the hippies and flower children and folk singers (and mommies and babies, and winos) liked to hang out by the Hague. So I came across Mr. Culpepper one day and he taught me a few Joni songs from the Song to a Seagull LP. I sang 'em and he figured out the chords. He also exposed (now don't be thinking those kind of thoughts) me to Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, and more. I've listened to Joni ever since. In fact I had such a love of music that my first job at the age of 16 was in a record store-Frankie's Got It Discount Records in downtown Norfolk. I know that I've driven my friends and family (especially my children) nuts by playing Joni repeatedly. I've had to replace my LP's several times! The record business is what brought me to Georgia in 1979. I was working for the Record Bar in Mobile and was transferred here. And after coming to Macon I fell in love, got married, had children, fell out of love, got divorced, got married again and honeymooned in Alaska in the 24 years I've been here. And what do I listen to? All kinds of stuff! Joni (of course), Jackson Browne, Bob Dylan, Pat Metheny, Moody Blues, Tony Bennett, Bach, Beethoven, Keith Jarrett, Twila Paris,and Secret Garden-to name a few. I am no longer in the music biz. I work at Michael's Arts and Crafts and do a lot of beading and sewing. And my sweet hubby and I are working on raising St. Bernards. Linda Crawford-who is also sad at Warren's passing-in middle Georgia sewbead@starband.net http://jerrycrawford.mystarband.net/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Vickery" To: "Linda Crawford" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: RE: Depression and Grief > > > hello linda-in-middle-georgia, and welcone to the list!! > glad to have you here! > your post is a wonderful introduction, and a great way to show > what we are here - we talk about joni and music, but we're so > much more than just that. > anyhow, when you have a moment, let us know how you found joni, > what your favorite songs are, who else you listen to - all that > good stuff. > and again, welcome!!! > > cindy, a fellow suthuner, in birmingham, alabama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:00:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Depression and Grief linda>My father was an extreme alcoholic...he suddenly reappeared -forever sober now-and was ready to join our lives. I found I didn't like him or his behavior and wanted no part of him. When he died, I grieved.Sometimes a person is lost to you even though they may be alive.< hi linda thanks for sharing your story...i know what you are saying about grieving for someone who is lost though alive...i have learned much about the disease of addiction as it has touched several in my family throughout the generations...it is a wretched disease that steals people from their loved ones... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What works for depression? --- Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: > Remembering that 99% seem to be too dense to even > get depressed! > > S. That's GREAT! I got the biggest laugh out of this and must remember it next time I feel reeeaaally sad. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:07:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: wind njc >Since his death, I have learned to "feel" Ray in my heart. It's much like feeling the wind blow on your face and in your hair. The wind really is there even though you can't see it. The next time you feel the it, don't ignore it. It is a chance to remember your loved one(s). Take the time to connect the dots. I've always loved windy days, but now I know why. Love, Sherelle< sherelle, that is so beautiful, thanks!...synchronistically i realized when i wrote something about my mom the other day it was the anniversary of my mother's passing (sept 5) so after she passed i gave everyone in my family a big windchime (from woodstock! where some of her childhood was spent & some of her final happy years too)... because she always said her biggest fear was that we would forget her (she did not fear death itself!) i told everyone to remember her when the wind blew through the chimes... the wind is blowing as i write & the chimes are sounding... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:07:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Tolkien content- a small milestone(njc) i've been meaning to write about how beautiful victor's cd sounds! & also jack's with paz producing! wonderful musicians & arrangements & as anyone who has heard victor or jack knows...fantastic voices... thank you victor, jack & paz for your beautiful music! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:06:55 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: njc shaking off futility What it seems to boil down > to is the belief that continues to flourish in our society that our > relationships don't really count. Perhaps it's the notion that > homosexuals have lots of partners (as if that's true for every gay > person, AND as if it's uncommon in the straight world), and so we'll > quickly just move on to someone else. It belittles our > relationships, and that's wrong and hateful, or at the very least > extremely inconsiderate. > > Lori Amen, my JMDL sistah! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:16:04 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Getting to Know You (SJC) Hey Linda! Good to get to know you! And a belated but huge WELCOME to the list!! Lori in Maryland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:55:08 -0500 From: Subject: "Get over it!" (NJC) Some of the stories that you have told remind me of the reactions my mother received from her boss and co-workers upon my father's death, 20 years ago next week. When my father died, my parents had been divorced for seven years, but they'd been married for 20, and had four children together. My mother, a devout Catholic, thought of the divorce as a mere legality, and considered herself married to my father until one of them died. . .as my father did, unexpectedly, while still in his 50's. Well, my mom's employer was not terribly understanding about giving her time off, if I remember correctly. Even more than that, all the recognition she received from co-workers was a well-meaning but brusque-sounding, "Sorry about your ex." At a time of intense pain for her, this reaction certainly didn't help. It made her feel like the life she and my father had shared was worth nothing. Although it's not quite the same--after all, their relationship WAS recognized legally and socially at one time--this reminds me, Lori, of what you wrote so memorably about gay and lesbian life partnerships. As for grief, and "moving on": I never lost a partner to death, but I did lose a relationship once, and an especially cherished dream, under extremely difficult circumstances. After a time, my friends thought I should be over it already, or that I was engaged in emotional malingering of some sort, or maybe that I was just being a spineless dork. But, in a burst of instinctual fury, I knew, somehow, that I had to grieve at my own speed. . .and I did so. And yes, it took a very long time. Some things that were worth caring that much about simply do. Take care, all, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Depression and Grief --- Linda Crawford wrote: > New member Linda Crawford here... > ... > I hope this makes sense and helps someone. I admit > it > has helped me in writing it. > Linda, welcome. That was very brave of you to wade right in there. And you're right about how writing it helps. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tolkien content- a small milestone(njc) --- Victor Johnson wrote: > A couple of years ago I put up on MP3.com the live > version of "Master of > the Ring" that was performed at jonifest featuring > Chris Marshall on bass, > Steve Mixon on mandolin, Steve Polifka on keys, > Christina on drums, etc... > > At the Tolkien website, The One Ring, out of twenty > Tolkien music links > listed , my site is the most visited and just > received its 1000th hit. > The studio version is also listed (#1 on the > editor's picks list) and is > slowly climbing up, at number 14 right now. > > Nothing to break out champagne for but I thought it > was kind of cool! > > link is below: > > http://onering.virbius.com/guide.php?cat=7 > > Victor, looking for anything to celebrate > YOU GO, VICTOR!!! and what's wrong with breaking out the champage? I think I may have some home-made wine in the fridge and that'll have to do, I guess. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #450 njc --- HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com wrote: > hello all, > My name is Noel (yes , as in the christmas song :) > ). I wanted to introduce > myself to the group as i have just joined you in the > last 2 days. In those > days i have read a lot about death and reactions and > supposed to be's and things > like that. It would seem that this is a very tight > knit group, one would not > wonder over such a thing being connected to Joni. Welcome, Noel. We're tightly knit, but not so tightly that we can't let another one in! There have been a number of sad, even tragic, events recently in the lives of our community, which prompted one jmdler to raise the question of how people dealt with depression (since there seems to be a lot of that around!) which in turn, prompted much discussion of the events of people's lives and the things that make us feel better about it. You will find, if you stick around (and I hope you do) that there is probably no topic that isn't open for discussion (although if you're on the Joni-only list, you'll miss a lot of it - which is what prompted me to add njc to the subject line above - njc for No Joni Content, which means the Joni-onlies don't get these *other* posts which are, in my opinion, a lot more interesting than the Joni-discussions, but which drives the joni-onlies to drink or worse and by golly, this sentence has gone on for a long time, so I guess I should bring it to an end and put one of those period thingies at the end of it. There.) Sometimes this list is better than therapy - and it's free... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:02:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Getting to Know You (SJC) >I was working >for the Record Bar in Mobile Ah yes, the Record Bar...brings back some memories, I bought lots of vinyl at the Record Bar at North Hills Mall in Raleigh where I used to work when I was in school. Matter of fact, I have a distinct memory of being in there on a break when they were playing a new record by an artist named Joni Mitchell called Hissing Of Summer Lawns! Bob NP: Sonny Stitt, "Goin' To D.C." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:19:29 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #451 all of you!!! what a warm welcome!!! I thank you, my soul is a brighter place already for having "met" you all. Peace Noel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:03:47 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 9 1979: Joni performed at the Santa Barbara County Bowl in Santa Barbara, California. Portions of this concert were released on the live album Shadows And Light. An edited videotape of the concert was shown on the Showtime cable channel and later released on videotape, laserdisc and DVD. 1998: Joni was interviewed by Jody Denberg at the Hotel Bel Air in Los Angeles. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=998 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 02:03:47 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 9 On September 9 the following articles were published: 1974: "80,000 Jam Roosevelt Track for Summer Rock Finale" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=797 1990: "Joni Mitchell" - London Sunday Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=371 1998: "A Conversation with Joni Mitchell" - KGSR-FM (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=998 1998: "Joni's Jazzed" - Chicago Tribune (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=72 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:23:42 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: What works for depression? NJC "Suzanne MarcAurele" > Remembering that 99% seem to be too dense to even get depressed! LOL. Oh that's a nice little thought. I'll have to save that one. Steve ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #452 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)