From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #448 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 7 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 448 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: metamorphosis website NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: guitar NJC ["StephenToogood" ] messages from beyond (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Depression (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] njc ["Kate Bennett" ] mary oliver njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: A sign? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Laura ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Depression (njc) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Best joni opening lines [Susan Guzzi ] RE: Best joni opening lines ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Best joni opening lines [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Depression (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: messages from beyond (njc) ["kakki" ] Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: messages from beyond (njc) ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: A sign? NJC ["kakki" ] Re: A sign? NJC ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Depression (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: mary oliver njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: guitar tunings [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) [Catherine McKay ] RE: Best joni opening lines ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Best joni opening lines [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Thank you NJC [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] RE: mary oliver njc ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Best joni opening lines ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Laura ["Mark or Travis" ] Standing in the Shadows of Motown njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Best joni opening lines [Murphycopy@aol.com] Today in History: September 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: September 7 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: timeline and Let's Sing Out [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:20:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: metamorphosis website NJC --- robin mortlock wrote: > To anyone who is interested in learning more about > Metamorphosis ( a > healing technique which i recommended as useful in > addressing depression) > try this. > > Go to any search engine and just enter metamorphosis > - a site heading > will come up with just that title and will mention > relfex points and the > name Robert St John, thats your baby. Failing that > go to > www.geckomountain.com.au. If anyone has any problems > getting more info > off the web then contact me direct and i can tell > you more away from the > list. This might be more interesting for some > people anyway. It sounds a bit, but not quite, like either reflexology or possibly shiatsu. Shiatsu massages are great, by the way - if you get the chance, have one done. I find applying pressure to certain parts of my hands or feet helps sometimes with headaches and tension and sinus problems. I'm not sure how it works, but who cares? The fact that it does is good enough for me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:22:03 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: guitar NJC Thanks for that Don. For the life of me I can't do 'For The Roses' way to intricate. I used a 56 for that low G last time I will try 54 the when I get some courage. I'm having fun with DACF#AD right now! The harmonics are great! Steve NP: Jonathan Cohen - Woodstock (I really wasn't expecting to like any Joni covers but Bob's sweet 16 is a revelation!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Whiteman" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: guitar NJC > Hi Stephen and Cynthia > > I have played a guitar for over 35 years and haven't really used a standard > tuning too much in the last 25 years. I find that if I use standard off the > shelf strings I choose D'Addario EJ26 11 - 52 they allow you to retune > with least amount of tonal loss. Hell I remember when I would change > strings during gigs becaus ethey would be dead after 6 tunings. > I quite often us a 54 for my low E string especially if using the GGDGBD > tuning with the low G an octave lower as in " For the Roses". > > Whilst I curently play a Maton (Australia handmade guitar) 1980 CW80, I am > on the look out for a Martin D18DC the David Crosby signature model. I have > in the past played a K'Yairi Stereo (beautiful fingerpicking guitar) , > Martin D 18. I do own a Fender Strat, a Dulcimer, a Gibson Madolin an my > old Fender Rhode 83 piano. > > my favourite tunings are > > D A E G C E as used in Edith and the Kingpin > C G D F C E as used in Coyote / Woman of Heart and Mind > G G D G B D as used in For the Roses > D G C G C D as used in The Rain Song (Led Zepllin) > D A D D A D Can be used for heaps > E B D G A D as used by David Crosby in Deja Vu & > Guienevere > > > Don > Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:03:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: messages from beyond (njc) i agree with all of you! i've heard my mom's almost audible voice comforting me often... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:03:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Depression (njc) mark> At some point, ridiculously soon after Denny's death, someone at Bruce's work suggested it was time he 'get over it and move on'. Having been through the loss of a partner myself, I was incensed at this person's insensitivity. Your life is completely changed forever. You don't just 'get over it and move on'.< many people who haven't been there don't get it... i took a week off after my mom died, to take care of the memorial arrangements (i was the oldest & the geographically closest)...i'd gone into work the day she passed away to make sure my work was covered & got to her just in time before she slipped into unconsciousness...so about a month after her death when it was time for review & raises it was mentioned that i'd taken quite a lot of time off that year (my vacation time plus my bereavement time of which i had accumulated far more days than i could ever use over the years)...the person had never been in my situation & had no idea...that was the beginning of my escape plan from that job! i had a similar situation to working for someone who had no children & who told me when my young child was sick with a fever & i had to stay home (without pay) that i should just 'find someone to take care of him'...right i feel sorry for people whose work priorities blind them to compassion ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:13:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc glad to hear from you colin, let us know about your trip...catherine said you were looking for a bitch...lol...glad the hurricane spared you! >I am back from 2 weeks away in France, with a bit of Italy thrown in. Too knackered to write much.Covered 3000 miles. nearly got killed in a hurricane.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:13:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: mary oliver njc i have been getting lots of mary oliver poems sent to me by friends...really nice inspiring unique stuff... >For those interested the poem is called "Wild Geese" and it is by Mary Oliver. It is in a collection of poetry published by Bloodaxe over here called, appropriately enough, "Staying Alive, real poems for unreal times" edited by Neil Astley. I thoroughly recommend this book to everyone, even those with only the tiniest spark of interest in poetry.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:11:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A sign? NJC NP: Jonathan Cohen - Woodstock (I really wasn't expecting to like any Joni >covers but Bob's sweet 16 is a revelation!) Thanks Stephen...it's definitely a mindset thing, I think...some folks might feel like they're 'betraying' Joni if they listen/enjoy her songs by others, and possibly admit that they maybe even do a better job...the song you reference above features Christine Sullivan on vocals, she's an Australian jazz/pop singer and she is really superb - you should hear her take on "I Think I Understand"...really lovely stuff. Bob NP: Tricia Lundeen, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 00:52:28 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) I only just put the CD on this evening and I have fave tracks already! I don't feel like I'm betraying Joni one bit. After all she wants her material appreciated doesn't she? Pam Bricker - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat -More smooth than Joni's - this is good! Night Ride Home - Melissa Ebrico - A bit more polished than Joni's. It's strange hearing a younger voice sing it! Both Sides Now - Terry Gorda - Nice and the chorus really threw me - beautiful! A Case Of You - Diana Krall - I see why Andrea loved this one. It's done with such passion. I remember the Joni tribute one being done a bit different than this!? Urge For Going - Errin Brown (should the name sound familiar?) - OMG wow the song is transformed into soft rock. This is so nice. This is a perfect example of Joni's music can't really come under any genre. I love this one. Blue - Avalon Motel - Wow this is amazing! Is there a bit of Celtic Folk in there! Cherokee Louise - Itaxo & Daniel Perex - A very sincere performance - do you know what nationality the singer is? Big Yellow Taxi - Lorna Grant -Not Amy Grant? I thought it was gong to go into Rod Stewart's 'Maggie May' LOL. Like it though. Love - Lysia Van Dam - Jazzy. I think this is how Joni's would have sounded if she had done it for Shadows & Light (too early I know), the whole feel, backing and singing style. Okay so that's most of the CD and I really don't have anything bad to say about the ones I didn't mention! Your doing a great job Bob. I look forward to more. Steve NP: Night Ride Home - Melissa Ebrico - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:22 AM Subject: Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) > >NP: Jonathan Cohen - Woodstock (I really wasn't expecting to like any Joni > >covers but Bob's sweet 16 is a revelation!) > > Thanks Stephen...it's definitely a mindset thing, I think...some folks might > feel like they're 'betraying' Joni if they listen/enjoy her songs by others, > and possibly admit that they maybe even do a better job...the song you > reference above features Christine Sullivan on vocals, she's an Australian jazz/pop > singer and she is really superb - you should hear her take on "I Think I > Understand"...really lovely stuff. > > Bob > > NP: Tricia Lundeen, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:11:18 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura Christmas and the Beads of Sweat is a huge peak in her canon - sort of like her Court & Spark, if you will but the masterpiece is New York Tendaberry. Joni even agrees with this and has praised the album - as you all know Ms. Mitchell is rather tight lipped when it comes to praise. I was fortunate enough to meet Nyro and I asked her about NYT and she replied: "I don't remember much about that." I think she dismissed it as a non feminist work. She was a serious feminist. Another great work - 'The First Songs' - listen to Buy and Sell - she wrote this at 17 or 18. Amazing - astonishing-breathtaking. Stand up in the living room with the headphones on clapping kind of good. Anyway, Laura Nyro is to be idolized. I miss her. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:14:44 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Joni's Book Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: peter stefanides Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #446 Hi everyone, hope everyone is doing well. i was wondering, does anyone know when joni's book is coming out? joni made a reference to it in that world leaders video. also, mingus mentioned something about it but wasn't sure if he was bs'ing me. :) peter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------------------------------- Hey peter, It's due out I believe in may 2004. The title at this point is " Illuminatti", but you know how Joni can change her mind. I read about it on the list but not sure who posted it. It may be listed on Amozon.com. I went to Google search for the Italian/English dictionary for a translation this is what It said: From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) : Illuminati \Il*lu`mi*na"ti\, n. pl. [L. illuminatus. SeeIlluminate, v. t., and cf. Illuminee .]Literally, those who are enlightened; -- variously applied asfollows:1. (Eccl.) Persons in the early church who had receivedbaptism; in which ceremony a lighted taper was given them,as a symbol of the spiritual illumination they hasreceived by that sacrament.2. (Eccl. Hist.) Members of a sect which sprung up in Spainabout the year 1575. Their principal doctrine was, that,by means of prayer, they had attained to so perfect astate as to have no need of ordinances, sacraments, goodworks, etc.; -- called also Alumbrados,Perfectibilists, etc.3. (Mod. Hist.) Members of certain associations in ModernEurope, who combined to promote social reforms, by whichthey expected to raise men and society to perfection, esp.of one originated in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt, professor ofcanon law at Ingolstadt, which spread rapidly for a time,but ceased after a few years.4. Also applied to:(a) An obscure sect of French Familists;(b) The Hesychasts, Mystics, and Quietists;(c) The Rosicrucians.5. Any persons who profess special spiritual or intellectual enlightenment. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:19:23 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Fw: Andrea Gloria Erchak I don't think Bruce will mind if I pass this message on to all of you, regardless that it's now a few hours old. - ------------- Forwarded message follows ------------- Date: 9/06/2003 12:44:38 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer To: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Andrea Gloria Erchak Lori I'm on my way to the service in Saratoga. All the thoughts of the JMDL will be with me. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:28:56 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Laura > Another great work - 'The First Songs' - listen to Buy and Sell - she wrote > this at 17 or 18. Amazing - astonishing-breathtaking. Stand up in the living > room with the headphones on clapping kind of good. 'Buy And Sell' is slow and jazzy. Makes me think of a hot afternoon. The way her voice floats and swirls. Just lovely. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Depression (njc) Kate, Thanks this is a great post and covers much of what i feel. Kate wote: i don't think that i know what lifelong biological depression is but i have experienced long periods of what i would describe as situational depression, maybe with some hormonal stuff thrown in for fun- its a feeling of being stuck, of forcing myself to go to work or going through the motions of whatever my myriad of responsibilites (including social or creative or helping others) required but not really enjoying my life, wanting to fall asleep & not wake up or at least not wake up to the life i was in the middle of living... I too am not sure, but tend to think situational is more likley for me as well... but I still believe that IS a level and form of depression. I just think manic is just soo much more and so much more dangerous. But I do think the number one idifference is that most times, most people feel like they just dont want to wake up and therefore take no drastic action and then that the manic is and may choose to actually go ahead with it. However, it is my feeling that no level or depth can be ignored because I know how close to that line I came when Robin died ... and was everyday for a year - any night as a form of comfort and a kind of conquering my pain I could have swallowed that bottle of pills I kept at my bedside. I also think being a leo and a tad dramatic I could have done it without really wanting to. And finally I think people who are romatics and therefore a bit dramitic as well, tend to be suspect to this form of depression and possible suicide, I am sorry to say but there is a romanticism to suicide. Time is a healer - no doubt but its just a matter of allowing yourself that time - if you can. Kate wrote: ...well, eventually you might find yourself in a brand new world because you just kept walking & by the grace of god's intervention... it happened to me so it could happen to others but you have to stick around for the whole show to give it a chance to unfold... Well I am not sure about the 'god' part but yes sometimes just to keep walking - going through the motions changes your world - in fact not sometimes, - most times. I was once on a train when a woman threw herself in front of us, I was in the first car ... and I felt something right under me and kind of felt her pass through me - I know it was weird. But when we got out to look there she was right under where I had been sitting. My real point then and now is what if she had waited just one more day - seen a sunrise - laughed with a friend ... what if tomorrow is better - what if it isnt - but the day after or the day after that - thats what kept me alive and still does - I am not missing a possible happy ending! Kate wrote: one more thought- isolation is dangerous...so is the belief that happiness is possible or even desirable all of the time (our culture really is insidious with that message)...in the natural world, there are seasons, tides, & we are part of that ever changing world... Desiring isolation is my clearest sign that I have entered a depressed stage. I know it is my way of reaching out when I say this to friends " I just want everyone to leave me alone for awhile - I need to be alone!" I know in my heart I am there. And finally I wonder what Andrea would think of all of this. She seemed to get skittish when we all got so deep and Kumbayaish! LOL - but what if she had waited one more day or reached out in some way or been exposed - what if - what if - what if - damn i miss her - I am soo mad at her - not to ever hear her voice again here pisses me off! By the way as tough as nails as she tried to appear, her Joni connection always let me know there was so much in her heart. Well I DO know she would be mad about all this non Joni content! For all her anger or disgust she really made me laugh and now instead I remember her with tears ... Laughing and crying - ya'll know by now, its the same release. Peace, Susan NP: Joni/ Peoples Parties (syncronicity or what) Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Once in awhile in a big blue moon ... there comes a night like this. Like some surrealist painted this fourth of July - night ride home. I can smell the night and feel the breeeze through the car on this opening line. Peace, Susan OR - maybe it was because it was playing when I read this post LOL! StephenToogood wrote: I was just listening to the MOI version of 'Cactus Tree' and remembered we were talking about great Joni song opening lines a few weeks a go. This one must be included! "There's a man who's been out sailing..." is just timeless and her voice is kind of velvety on this version and she is so confident (if you listen carefully she makes a little laugh after the audience reacts to the song). It will always be one of my favourite tracks. Though it is (I believe) one of her more simpler guitar works I think it is quite detailed. It conjures up all kinds of imagery. Beautiful. Steve NP: Amelia - Joni Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:01:40 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines Maybe not the best opening lines, but "Amelia" now playing below, is perhaps Joni's best poetry. (I'm a poetry professor, too.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Susan > Guzzi > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:52 PM > To: StephenToogood; Joni List > Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > > > Once in awhile in a big blue moon ... there comes a night like > this. Like some surrealist painted this fourth of July - night ride home. > > I can smell the night and feel the breeeze through the car on > this opening line. > > Peace, > Susan > > OR - maybe it was because it was playing when I read this post LOL! > > > StephenToogood wrote: > I was just listening to the MOI version of 'Cactus Tree' and remembered we > were talking about great Joni song opening lines a few weeks a > go. This one > must be included! "There's a man who's been out sailing..." is > just timeless > and her voice is kind of velvety on this version and she is so > confident (if > you listen carefully she makes a little laugh after the audience reacts to > the song). It will always be one of my favourite tracks. Though it is (I > believe) one of her more simpler guitar works I think it is quite > detailed. > It conjures up all kinds of imagery. Beautiful. > > Steve > > NP: Amelia - Joni > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:25:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines >Maybe not the best opening lines, but "Amelia" now playing below, is >perhaps Joni's best poetry. But even as a poetry professor, isn't it hard to pick ONE off of that record? I mean, for my money Hejira itself is the top of the heap, but when you start to think of the breadth of that album...Furry, Refuge, Strange Boy, Amelia, Sharon, holy shit...every song is incredible poetry, at least to my untrained ear. I would very much appreciate your professional opinion as to why Amelia gets the nod - I promise I won't debate it! :~) Bob NP: The Practicers, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:34:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Depression (njc) susan> I too am not sure, but tend to think situational is more likley for me as well... but I still believe that IS a level and form of depression. I just think manic is just soo much more and so much more dangerous. << i agree which is why i hesitate to even write that i understand how depression feels but in some small way i think i do... > Well I am not sure about the 'god' part but yes sometimes just to keep walking - going through the motions changes your world - in fact not sometimes, - most times. < well, sometimes i don't like to even say that god word (which has no religion to it btw except maybe 'spirit' as in native american belief) but truthfully for me that is what HAS happened so to be honest i must include it...but i understand that others don't have that same belief which doesn't bother me one bit- it is not about right or wrong just what is to me & i just feel lucky that i do have that because at times that is ALL i had to hang onto to get me through... > I was once on a train when a woman threw herself in front of us, I was in the first car ... and I felt something right under me and kind of felt her pass through me - I know it was weird. < wow, that is quite haunting i bet you think of that a lot...i would... > what kept me alive and still does - I am not missing a possible happy ending! < i like that! it probably works as well as my god belief so there you go! > Desiring isolation is my clearest sign that I have entered a depressed stage. I know it is my way of reaching out when I say this to friends " I just want everyone to leave me alone for awhile - I need to be alone!" I know in my heart I am there. < one caveat- as someone who needs lots of alone time to decompress, heal & create i can recognize when its a healthy need for solitude vs isolating (islolating has a holding in & hiding emotions kind of feeling rather than a needing fresh air & space kind of feeling which i associate with solitude) > And finally I wonder what Andrea would think of all of this. She seemed to get skittish when we all got so deep and Kumbayaish! LOL < yes & she always explained some of it because she was from jersey! yet! she was born in a town right nextdoor to where i was raised- we could have known some of the same people.. & in spite of how obviously borderline kumbayish i can be, i did get that jersey part of her ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:44:42 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: messages from beyond (njc) Amazing experiences! I have heard of this happening to others, including my mother who is usually a skeptic about "visiting spirits/ghosts" and such. (She changed her mind after her experience!). All the encounters I've heard about were very beautiful and reassuring. I don't think I've been contacted by loved ones who have passed on but I have sometimes been contacted through dreams by loved ones who are far away, later verified by them. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:54:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) >I don't feel like I'm betraying Joni one bit. After all she wants her >material appreciated doesn't she? Yes, and anyone who has heard those early coffeehouse recordings can attest to the fact that she was actively seeking "royalty pennies". I'll say she's made a few! >Night Ride Home - Melissa Errico - A bit more polished than Joni's. It's >strange hearing a younger voice sing it! And a very clear and powerful young voice at that. A pleasant surprise. NRH looks to be the most covered song from Joni's 90's output, but it's still early. >Both Sides Now - Terry Gorda - Nice and the chorus really threw me - >beautiful! Isn't that a nice chord progression...I've heard hundreds of BSN's, so anytime somebody can find or make something new out of it, it gets my attention. This CD still hasn't been released yet, I'm keeping my eyes open, because if it's all this good, whoa! >A Case Of You - Diana Krall - I see why Andrea loved this one. It's done >with such passion. I remember the Joni tribute one being done a bit >different than this!? Not drastically so, but this is the best one of the Krall versions I've heard...Joni's version was more 'after the fact', the relationship is done, but Diana's gives you the feeling that things are still burning white hot. wow the >song is transformed into soft rock. This is so nice. This is a perfect >example of Joni's music can't really come under any genre. I love this one. Hey, me too!!! I don't know why the name would be familiar, she's a New England singer/songwriter. You know what song this reminds me of? Little Feat's "Keeping Up With The Joneses", because of that semi-funky rhythm she employs. I love UFG anyway, and this take brings it on up to modern day. >Blue - Avalon Motel - Wow this is amazing! Is there a bit of Celtic Folk in >there! Celtic by way of Canada? :~) >Cherokee Louise - Itaxo & Daniel Perex - A very sincere performance - do >you >know what nationality the singer is? Yes, she is from Spain. She also covers NRH which is very nice. I picked Louise because she sings in such a heavy accent, one gets the feeling that the song really resonated with her and it didn't bother her to vocally have trouble with some of those anglo words. It's a very powerful version and it seems to really pour out of her heart, sincere, like you say...a good choice of phrase. >Love - Lydia Van Dam - Jazzy. I think this is how Joni's would have sounded >if she had done it for Shadows & Light (too early I know), the whole feel, >backing and singing style. Lydia & band recorded an entire Joni tribute CD called "Both Sides Now" on a Dutch jazz label that proceeded to fold. Sad, because this CD deserves a wide audience...every track is excellent, every one. She really makes these songs her own. Thanks for letting me talk a bit about my passion Steve! My apologies to the rest of you although I guess you've deleted it by now. Bob NP: Sybersound, "Help Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:53:02 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: messages from beyond (njc) My mother's mother once sent me a message from beyond the grave. A stock tip. "Buy Calphalon," she said. "You can't go wrong," she said. Just my luck, though. It didn't pan out. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:21:34 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: A sign? NJC Hey Jenny, Those are great photos! Makes me want to go on a road trip. Thanks for sharing. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:29:20 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: A sign? NJC Nice sign, SD isn't that Badlands country? ...For those who had a notion A notion deep inside That it AIN'T NO SIN TO BE GLAD YOU'RE ALIVE... Patty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Depression (njc) --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > i feel sorry for people whose work priorities blind > them to compassion AMEN, sister! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mary oliver njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > i have been getting lots of mary oliver poems sent > to me by friends...really > nice inspiring unique stuff... > > >For those interested the poem is called "Wild > Geese" and it is by Mary Oliver. It is in a > collection of > poetry published by Bloodaxe over here called, > appropriately enough, "Staying Alive, real poems for > unreal > times" edited by Neil Astley. It just struck me as wildly funny that a book of inspirational writings could be published by a company with a name like... Bloodaxe! Am I twisted, or what? LOL! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:40:50 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar tunings Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:12:10 +1000 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Re: guitar NJC Hi Stephen and Cynthia I have played a guitar for over 35 years and haven't really used a standard tuning too much in the last 25 years. I find that if I use standard off the shelf strings I choose D'Addario EJ26 11 - 52 they allow you to retune with least amount of tonal loss. Hell I remember when I would change strings during gigs becaus ethey would be dead after 6 tunings. I quite often us a 54 for my low E string especially if using the GGDGBD tuning with the low G an octave lower as in " For the Roses". Whilst I curently play a Maton (Australia handmade guitar) 1980 CW80, I am on the look out for a Martin D18DC the David Crosby signature model. I have in the past played a K'Yairi Stereo (beautiful fingerpicking guitar) , Martin D 18. I do own a Fender Strat, a Dulcimer, a Gibson Madolin an my old Fender Rhode 83 piano. my favourite tunings are D A E G C E as used in Edith and the Kingpin C G D F C E as used in Coyote / Woman of Heart and Mind G G D G B D as used in For the Roses D G C G C D as used in The Rain Song (Led Zepllin) D A D D A D Can be used for heaps E B D G A D as used by David Crosby in Deja Vu & Guienevere Don Sydney Dear Don: Did Joni really tune DADEAD for I Had a King? And, if she did, do you think she was saying "dad dead" as in her old man Chuck? In leather and lace, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: guitar NJC, now covers OF COURSE :~) --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for letting me talk a bit about my passion > Steve! My apologies to the > rest of you although I guess you've deleted it by > now. Nope. In fact I'm listening to Sweet 16 2 even as we speak. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:59:25 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) www.kfog.com I've just discovered this internet station. It absolutely rocks, and I've yet to hear a commercial. http://www.kfog.com Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:07:41 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines OK, Bob. Hejira, the album, is Joni's greatest epic poem. You're absolutely right. But Amelia's the greatest lyric poem contained within that epic. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 9:25 PM > To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > > > >Maybe not the best opening lines, but "Amelia" now playing below, is > >perhaps Joni's best poetry. > > But even as a poetry professor, isn't it hard to pick ONE off of > that record? > I mean, for my money Hejira itself is the top of the heap, but > when you start > to think of the breadth of that album...Furry, Refuge, Strange > Boy, Amelia, > Sharon, holy shit...every song is incredible poetry, at least to > my untrained > ear. > > I would very much appreciate your professional opinion as to why > Amelia gets > the nod - I promise I won't debate it! :~) > > Bob > > NP: The Practicers, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:28:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines >OK, Bob. Hejira, the album, is Joni's greatest epic poem. You're >absolutely right. But Amelia's the greatest lyric poem contained within >that epic. But if you don't mind explaining, what's the difference between an epic poem (I know like Beowulf or Homer) and a lyric poem? Bob, always up for education NP: Danilo Perez, "The Fiddle And The Drum" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:31:20 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Thank you NJC In a message dated 9/5/03 12:19:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MINGSDANCE writes: > Subj:Thank you > Date:9/5/03 12:19:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:MINGSDANCE > To:mm@celebrityseries.org > > > > Maggie, > Thank you for your kind birth day wishes. I'm trying to answer 387 E-mails > since I got back and I type with one finger. It was some party at the full > moon and I can't wait till next year. You are a Joy! > Peace > Maggie, I sent this to you and it was returned so I'll try the list. Return-path: From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Full-name: MINGSDANCE Message-ID: <142.1866a32d.2c8a11a1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:19:45 EDT Subject: Thank you To: mm@celebrityseries.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Maggie, Thank you for your kind birth day wishes. I'm trying to answer 387 E-mails since I got back and I type with one finger. It was some party at the full moon and I can't wait till next year. You are a Joy! Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:32:17 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: mary oliver njc Bloodaxe is a British poetry press. And I agree that MAry Oliver is very good. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:41 PM > To: Kate Bennett; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: mary oliver njc > > > --- Kate Bennett wrote: > i > have been getting lots of mary oliver poems sent > > to me by friends...really > > nice inspiring unique stuff... > > > > >For those interested the poem is called "Wild > > Geese" and it is by Mary Oliver. It is in a > > collection of > > poetry published by Bloodaxe over here called, > > appropriately enough, "Staying Alive, real poems for > > unreal > > times" edited by Neil Astley. > > It just struck me as wildly funny that a book of > inspirational writings could be published by a company > with a name like... Bloodaxe! Am I twisted, or what? > LOL! > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:33:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines Bob, I will expand on this tomorrow. Must go to be now. R -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:29 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines >OK, Bob. Hejira, the album, is Joni's greatest epic poem. You're >absolutely right. But Amelia's the greatest lyric poem contained within >that epic. But if you don't mind explaining, what's the difference between an epic poem (I know like Beowulf or Homer) and a lyric poem? Bob, always up for education NP: Danilo Perez, "The Fiddle And The Drum" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:51:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laura StephenToogood wrote: >> Another great work - 'The First Songs' - listen to Buy and Sell - >> she wrote this at 17 or 18. Amazing - astonishing-breathtaking. >> Stand up in the living room with the headphones on clapping kind of >> good. > > 'Buy And Sell' is slow and jazzy. Makes me think of a hot afternoon. > The way her voice floats and swirls. Just lovely. One of my all-time favorite Laura songs. I think it's just plain gorgeous. Two more ravishing songs from 'The First Songs': "I Never Meant To Hurt You" and "He's a Runner". A bit on the conventional side, perhaps, but still beautiful songs. For a long time the vinyl 'The First Songs' was the only Laura Nyro I owned. NYT is just too....overly dramatic, over-sung, over the top for me. I know many people here love it but I just have a really hard time with it. She screeches in parts of it. Love you, Laura, but don't like the screeching. CATBOS on the other hand, is magical to me. It has a nice balance to it. It's passionate, sad, sunny ('Brown Earth' would be in my dream Jonifest set if I could ever get hold of the sheet music and manage to get good enough to perform it), devasting, romantic, grief-stricken, joyous, melancholy - all of those things and more in one album. Btw, you can order sheet music for RLJ songs off of the Big Island web site. You order the song, do the payment ($3.95 per song) and they send you the music in an Acrobat file that you can print out. I got 'We Belong Together'. Noway I can play much of it at this point in time. But it is in a key that I can sing quite easily. Scary, huh! Mark E's still in love with Rickie Lee (and Laura and Joni and Billie and Dusty and Judy and Judy and Barbra and Anita and....you know there may be more) PS: anybody here listen to The White Stripes? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:09:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Standing in the Shadows of Motown njc rent this dvd/video! an amazing story of one of the greatest bands ever! if you love this music half as much as i do you'll love this movie... 2 people who HAVE to see this if you haven't already are chris marshall & bob muller.. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:07:04 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: njc Re: Laura (raises hand) Just saw them on snl, too. David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" > > PS: anybody here listen to The White Stripes? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 01:14:31 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: RE: Best joni opening lines Richard wrote to Muller: << Must go to be now. >> Wow, Richard -- deep! And the most poignant and appropriate typo of this sad week. Earlier, I thought Muller was saying that he thought "Hejira" was the most poetic *song* from the "Hejira" album. To me, it's nearly a toss-up between "Hejira" and "Amelia," but "Amelia" wins because it hits me right in the heart and soul, whereas "Hejira" has a little bit more of a cerebral feeling. I would love to hear your thoughts on the two songs, as well as your thoughts about the enire album's epic poem-ness. Must go to be now myself! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 02:02:08 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 7 1979: Joni performed the first of two nights at the Civic Auditorium in San Francisco More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=881 http://www.jonimitchell.com/SF79.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 02:02:08 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 7 On September 7 the following article was published: 1978: "Days of Bread and Roses" - Berkeley Monthly (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=52 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:34:14 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: timeline and Let's Sing Out I recall seeing some comments from listers to the effect that Joni's countenance seemed to have changed considerably between the first of the Let's sing out tapes (10/65) and the second (10/66). Someone (or two) suggested that the intervening events may have been responsible. My understanding of the timeline is that Joni had already had her baby (2/65). And, she married Chick Mitchell in June, 1965 (though still introduced as Joni Anderson on the first Let's Sing Out. She left him in early 1967, it is written. So, the questions I wonder about are "when did Joni sign the papers releasing Kelly for adoption" ? "what happened the was considered profound in that period, that would have accounted for the supposed change in countenance?" Or, maybe I missed the point altogether. Bobsart ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #448 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)