From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #447 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 6 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 447 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Laura (NJC) ["StephenToogood" ] Re: what's that buzzing? (njc) ["StephenToogood" ] Re: guitar NJC ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Best joni opening lines ["kh012f5050" ] Re: Best joni opening lines ["kh012f5050" ] Re: Those black 12 inch plastic things njc ["kh012f5050" ] Re: Laura (NJC) ["David Rahall" ] Re: Laura (NJC) ["StephenToogood" ] Re: First Time Poster ["Don Whiteman" ] Re: guitar NJC ["Don Whiteman" ] Re: (NJC) Andrea Gloria Erchak [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Dulcimer ? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #279 [ROSCOE1TC@aol.com] Re: Depression (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Covers 44 - We have a winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Remember Dave, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] messages from beyond (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Depression NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: messages from beyond (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Laura (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Laura (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Depression (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: messages from beyond (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #446 [peter stefanides ] Re: Depression (njc) [magsnbrei ] njc [tantra-apso ] A sign? NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] metamorphosis website NJC ["robin mortlock" ] Dulcimer excitement... NJC ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Laura Nyro Songbook (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] [none] ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Laura (NJC) ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Laura Nyro Songbook (NJC) [Gary Zack ] Re: A sign? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) I haven't heard 'Been On A Train' yet. I'm up to 'New York Tendaberry' which threw me a bit! I think the next instalment is 'Christmas & The Beads Of Sweat'. Can't wait. Steve NP: Shelter From The Storm - Bob Dylan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Zack To: StephenToogood Cc: Joni List Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 5:22 AM Subject: Re: What works for Depression?/Happy Songs (NJC) I second that emotion Steve! The first time I ever heard Laura, our local "cool" FM radio station here in Detroit in the late '60s and early '70s was WABX. I remember pulling the car into the driveway one night with the radio on and hearing "Sweet Blindness" (Laura's version for the first time) and wondering who in the world this extraordinary voice and pianist was - and it certainly wasn't the Fifth Dimension's version, which I had heard - and then I heard the DJ say "Laura Nyro." I fell in love right then and there. Interestingly, you made me think of her song "Been On A Train" which may well be one of her saddest songs. Best regards, Gary StephenToogood wrote: Laura Nyro does it for me! 'Sweet Blindness' has to be the happiest songI've ever heard! I was mesmerised when I first heard it. Of course 'PovertyTrain' is one of the saddest songs I've heard."Ba ba ba ba ba...SteveNP: The Dawntreader - JoniFrom: "Catherine McKay" Listening to joyful music. Some of my all-time joyfulmusic(s) are: Exultate, Jubilate by Mozart; HungryHeart by Bruuuuuuccce (especially when played good andloud while driving, driving, driving, with the windowsopen); One more colour by Jane Siberry. And there areothers that come and go. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:58:50 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: what's that buzzing? (njc) Thanks for that great link Fred! Wow there are some really great effects from THEOBROMIME. Increases feeling of well being and acts as a mild anti depressant! I would say that sounds right. And as Catherine pointed out Chocolate tastes yummy! Steve NP: Hurricane - Bob Dylan - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 2:50 AM Subject: what's that buzzing? (njc) > Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com writes: > > > Actually, chocolate doesn't contain caffeine. > > True. However, it does contain plenty of theobromine, a chemical closely related to caffeine (for chem-heads, here's some info: http://www.mrkland.com/fun/xocoatl/caffeine.htm) and a stimulant none the less, albeit more mild. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:01:36 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: (NJC) Andrea Gloria Erchak Thank you for posting this Lori. It's nice to know a bit more about Andrea. Steve NP: Changing Of The Guards - Bob Dylan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:29 AM Subject: (NJC) Andrea Gloria Erchak > SARATOGA SPRINGS -- Andrea Gloria Erchak of Saratoga Springs died > Monday, Sept. 1, 2003, at her home. She was 49. Born on Dec. 1, 1953, > in Morristown, N.J., she was the daughter of Dr. Michael and Gloria > (Midroy) Erchak. > > She had an MA in psychology and an MA in education. She was a special > education school administrator and teacher in Burlington, Vt., for 10 > years prior to moving to Saratoga Springs in 1990. For the past 13 > years, Andrea was a school psychologist for the city of Cohoes school > system. > > Andrea was a loving and gentle person who touched the lives of hundreds > of children. She was dedicated to their well-being and she loved her > gardening and her animals. > > She is predeceased by her father, Michael Erchak. > > Survivors besides her mother, Gloria (Midroy) Erchak of Ridgewood, > N.J., include a brother, Gerald M. Erchak of Greenfield Center; a > sister, Donna Ann Ward of London, England; and several nieces and > nephews. > > A funeral service for family and friends will be held at 3 p.m. on > Saturday, Sept. 6, at Simone Funeral Home, 105 Lake Ave., Saratoga > Springs, N.Y. > > Viewing will be held from 2 to 3 p.m. at the funeral home prior to the > service. > > Memorial donations may be made to the National Foundation for > Depressive Illness Inc., P.O. Box 2257, New York, NY 10116. > > Online remembrances can be made at www.simonefuneralhome.com > > - > http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm? > BRD=1169&dept_id=17712&newsid=10117140&PAG=461&rfi=9 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:21:46 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Calling Chuck- HELP ME -NJC > Chuck - if you are out there - i dont know you from Adam Well, he can play dulcimer and I can't, if that helps. (Although I've never actually tried, so maybe...) :o) Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:29:23 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: guitar NJC > This reminds me; I was reading a Joni guitar article not so long a go and > she said that nothing compared to her Martin D-28 that got stolen off a > carousel in Maui. Do you know, some of Janis Ian's albums still carry a request for information about her Martin D-18 that was stolen in (I think) Nashville, more than 25 years on? I think these guys know how to make guitars...! Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:36:57 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: guitar NJC Yes it's in all the Janis Ian CD booklets I own. A Martin is definitely on my 'If I get rich' list! LOL. Steve NP: Everything Is Broken - Bob Dylan (humm..I don't know about that but I think this song is!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kh012f5050" To: "Joni Mitchell List" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: Re: guitar NJC > > This reminds me; I was reading a Joni guitar article not so long a go and > > she said that nothing compared to her Martin D-28 that got stolen off a > > carousel in Maui. > > Do you know, some of Janis Ian's albums still carry a request for > information about her Martin D-18 that was stolen in (I think) Nashville, > more than 25 years on? I think these guys know how to make guitars...! > > Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:44:36 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern > star." And I said "Constantly in the darkness...where's that at? If you > want me I'll be in the bar." I've read novels that go on for hundreds and hundreds of pages and never get close to a piece of narrative as brilliant as that. Look at the *compression*. How much does it tell you, in two lines? Fantastic. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:46:26 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines "Blue..." Can one word be an opening line? This one can. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:06:10 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Those black 12 inch plastic things njc > I agree with you, Ash; I'll NEVER part with my old vinyl. Besides, some > great stuff will never be rereleased on CD so the only place you'll ever hear > stuff like Hudson & Ford (of Strawbs fame) will be on your turntable. Being a youngster, I may not have grown up with vinyl, but one of my favourite 'discovered' albums is "Gather Me" by Melanie, a brilliant album whice only ever had a tiny CD rerelease in Europe. I heard a bit of the CD recently, and it's *awful*. Tinny! Antiseptic! No atmosphere! (I'm going to have to grow a beard now, and start talking about 'GSM', or whatever it's called...) ;o) Talking of the Strawbs, I heard the album they did with Sandy Denny recently, and it's got some great stuff on it. 'How Everyone But Sam Was A Hypocrite', I love that... And by far the finest version of 'Who Knows Where The time Goes'. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 05:12:43 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) In a message dated 06/09/2003 08:53:48 GMT Daylight Time, amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk writes: << I haven't heard 'Been On A Train' yet. I'm up to 'New York Tendaberry' which threw me a bit! I think the next instalment is 'Christmas &The Beads Of Sweat'. Can't wait. >> Ah, what a treat you have in store! Xmas & the Beads... is in some ways even more extraordinary than its two predecessors. The arrangements are exquisite and somewhat more expansive than NY Tendaberry, which has a claustrophobic feel, I find (part of its magic). And the last two songs are so full-on emotional that they almost overwhelm me. The tumultuous build up to the climax of "Christmas In My Soul", leading to a sudden silence with just Laura's voice hitting a high note of awesome purity and emotive charge... well, it's one of the most treasurable moments in my ludicrously extensive record collection. And as for Been On A Train, you just gotta hear it! I don't know that I'd agree about Poverty Train, which for Stevie is a really sad song. To me its sadness is leavened with a sprig of optimism. It's also one of my favourite songs ever... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:17:12 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) > I don't know that I'd agree about Poverty Train, which for Stevie is a really > sad song. To me its sadness is leavened with a sprig of optimism. It's also > one of my favourite songs ever... > > Azeem in London Oh of course. It's all in the last line "It feels so good getting off the poverty train" Steve NP: These Precious Things - Tori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 05:26:55 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) The recent Criterion Collection "Monterey Pop" dvd set includes Laura Nyro singing "Poverty Train" at that festival. David listening to Carole King "A Natural Woman: The Ode Collection" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "StephenToogood" To: "Joni List" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) > > I don't know that I'd agree about Poverty Train, which for Stevie is a > really > > sad song. To me its sadness is leavened with a sprig of optimism. It's > also > > one of my favourite songs ever... > > > > Azeem in London > > Oh of course. It's all in the last line > > "It feels so good getting off the poverty train" > > Steve > > NP: These Precious Things - Tori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:29:33 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) Oh that's gotta' be worth seeing! I hope they release a whole live DVD at some stage. Steve NP: China - Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rahall" To: "joni" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) > The recent Criterion Collection "Monterey Pop" dvd set includes Laura Nyro > singing "Poverty Train" at that festival. > > David > > listening to Carole King "A Natural Woman: The Ode Collection" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "StephenToogood" > To: "Joni List" > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 5:17 AM > Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) > > > > > I don't know that I'd agree about Poverty Train, which for Stevie is a > > really > > > sad song. To me its sadness is leavened with a sprig of optimism. It's > > also > > > one of my favourite songs ever... > > > > > > Azeem in London > > > > Oh of course. It's all in the last line > > > > "It feels so good getting off the poverty train" > > > > Steve > > > > NP: These Precious Things - Tori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 21:37:25 +1000 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Re: First Time Poster Hi Melissa , Welcome and it is so good to see that another Aussie has joined this list. Hell one day we may have enough to do a JoniFest Downunder, who knows. Don Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 22:12:10 +1000 From: "Don Whiteman" Subject: Re: guitar NJC Hi Stephen and Cynthia I have played a guitar for over 35 years and haven't really used a standard tuning too much in the last 25 years. I find that if I use standard off the shelf strings I choose D'Addario EJ26 11 - 52 they allow you to retune with least amount of tonal loss. Hell I remember when I would change strings during gigs becaus ethey would be dead after 6 tunings. I quite often us a 54 for my low E string especially if using the GGDGBD tuning with the low G an octave lower as in " For the Roses". Whilst I curently play a Maton (Australia handmade guitar) 1980 CW80, I am on the look out for a Martin D18DC the David Crosby signature model. I have in the past played a K'Yairi Stereo (beautiful fingerpicking guitar) , Martin D 18. I do own a Fender Strat, a Dulcimer, a Gibson Madolin an my old Fender Rhode 83 piano. my favourite tunings are D A E G C E as used in Edith and the Kingpin C G D F C E as used in Coyote / Woman of Heart and Mind G G D G B D as used in For the Roses D G C G C D as used in The Rain Song (Led Zepllin) D A D D A D Can be used for heaps E B D G A D as used by David Crosby in Deja Vu & Guienevere Don Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:16:09 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Andrea Gloria Erchak In a message dated 9/5/03 10:35:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com writes: > Andrea was a loving and gentle person who touched the lives of hundreds > of children. She was dedicated to their well-being and she loved her > gardening and her animals. > makes me think of another Bruce song...I happen to love this one... SECRET GARDEN She'll let you in her house If you come knockin' late at night She'll let you in her mouth If the words you say are right If you pay the price She'll let you deep inside But there's a secret garden she hides She'll let you in her car To go drivin' round She'll let you into the parts of herself That'll bring you down She'll let you in her heart If you got a hammer and a vise But into her secret garden, don't think twice You've gone a million miles How far'd you get To that place where you can't remember And you can't forget She'll lead you down a path There'll be tenderness in the air She'll let you come just far enough So you know she's really there She'll look at you and smile And her eyes will say She's got a secret garden Where everything you want Where everything you need Will always stay A million miles away ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:22:05 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Dulcimer ? In a message dated 9/6/03 12:00:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Does anyone out there own a dulcimer. I am seriously thinking of getting > one - i have a guitar but cannot get to grips with it at all - for some > reason i think the dulcimer will be for me. > > any ideas? > > Robin Robin Oops - sounds like you missed Chuck's dulcimer workshop at this year's Jonifest (perhaps because you missed this year's Jonifest ?) Chuck does know a thing or two about the dulcimer - and thank you so much again, Chuck, for joining me in accompanying Alison on A Case of You at the fest. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:38:46 EDT From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #279 In a message dated 9/6/2003 12:00:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > te: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:26:51 +0000 > From: "robin mortlock" > Subject: Dulcimer? i saw joni for the first time in june of 1974. the dulcimer was heavily featured in the show that night. i got up bright and early the next morning to go out and find and buy a dulcimer. i was shocked that i found one. it was cracked, but i saw that it was made by homer ledford.... i had heard the name before.... i played it for a few years, never really mastering it.... but it's a fun instrument to play with/on. it reminds me of bagpipes.... depending on the tuning, you really can go for a long time without hitting a "sour" note. it's the nature of the instrument, i suppose.... i know, around here, dulcimers are pretty easy to find. just make sure you get one that will hold the tuning.... that's the main drag about mine....old whittled pegs.... good luck. happy droning. terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:13:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Depression (njc) It is very important that > everyone experiencing loss give their minds and bodies a chance to > recover a little bit. Slow down and don't try to tackle things > "business as usual" . Business is not as usual right now. Allow > yourself to grieve in whatever way feel s right for you. Everyone is > different. Very wise words, Sherelle. It is so good to see you posting again! I know there has been a lot written about the 'stages' of grief. One thing I think is important is to be patient with yourself. Don't put yourself on a time line. I have a friend who lost his partner about 3 and a half years ago to a rare type of bone marrow disease. He was completely devastated and had to be medicated in one way or another for a long time just to get through the days. At some point, ridiculously soon after Denny's death, someone at Bruce's work suggested it was time he 'get over it and move on'. Having been through the loss of a partner myself, I was incensed at this person's insensitivity. Your life is completely changed forever. You don't just 'get over it and move on'. Bruce was convinced when Denny died that he would not be able to continue life without Denny. He told me on the phone recently that he didn't expect to be alive at this point in time. But he is just now beginning to see a new life emerging for himself. Maybe for him it took longer than it does for some people. We met in the Denver airport when I flew back to the Midwest in June and had a layover there. I told Bruce that I suspected that what he & Denny shared and what Edward & I shared was a closeness that most married or partnered people never really experience. (Mack talked about this recently. I really do know what you mean, Mack, about the difference.) When the relationship is that intense, you aren't going to 'just get over it and move on'. I have already said this to Mags privately, but Sherelle has said it so I'll say it again. Talk. Write to us. Call. There are people who will be able to listen and handle whatever you have to say. They are there. Once you find those people, they will be your life lines and you will count them as blessings for the rest of your life. They will get you through it. We will get you through it if you let us. (I meant what I said about calling, Mags.) You are never alone, Mags. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:20:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers 44 - We have a winner! Thanks to ALL who participated in my giveaway this month...I was very happy to see so many going for it, I just wish that everybody who entered could win... Anyway, my song of the month was "Blonde In The Bleachers" from, of course, FTR. Russ was the closest with his guess of "Electricity"...just 2 songs away! So you get a free copy of Covers #44, AND a copy of the newly-discovered "Let's Sing Out" appearances which I'm sure you'll really enjoy. Nice job, Russ...let me know your snail mail address and the prize package will be on it's way. If you didn't win, but would like a copy of either of these cd's, let me know & I'll hook you up. And watch this spot next month for more covers & more bonus prizes! Bob, reminding you that the BEST way to beat depression is to keep those Joni covers spinning! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:39:16 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Remember Dave, njc Catherine wrote: I don't worry about aneurisms anymore because > there's so much that can kill you, and there's not a > lot of point in dying of anxiety while you're at it. > > Mags, once again, I am so sorry about your Dave. I join Catherine and all others in expressing my sympathy to Mags. I think that swift deaths are obviously quite shocking to relatives, but probably a lot less hurtful than long and painful agonies. As my dad used to say, it's important to die in good health. In my family, when one dies in his/her sleep we call it a blessing. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: messages from beyond (njc) Catherine wrote: Almost invariably anywhere from a few days to as long as a year after losing someone, I've had a dream about family or close friends who have died, in which, I swear to God, they try to comfort me. Oh, I DEFINITELY believe this is true! In fact, I brought a dozen roses to my mother's grave on her birthday this summer. After visiting for a while, I got back in my car and left the cemetery. I turned the radio back on. The ONLY piece of music my mother would have used to communicate with me (the Simple Gifts theme from Appalachian Spring) began playing on the station. I KNOW she was telling me she liked the flowers. It was like she was actually sitting in the car next to me. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:52:06 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Depression NJC Bree Mcdonough wrote: But again ..I understand that the > person who contemplates suicide does it not so much to leave life.. > just the pain and the abyss they are in. > I purchased the dvd of 'The Hours' a few months ago. There is a short biographical piece about Virginia Woolf included with the dvd extras. I'm not sure exactly what kind of condition it was that she suffered from but apparently her 'down' periods would begin with horribly debilitating headaches that would cause hallucinations and cause her to hear voices. Eventually she took her own life at the onset of one of these episodes, feeling that she couldn't put herself or her loved ones through another one of them. There was little to no treatment or understanding of her condition at the time. For her, it seemed to be a truly hopeless situation. Her suicide note to her husband is very moving (you hear part of it in 'The Hours'). She tells him that she can't imagine how two people could have been happier than she & Leonard had been and she pours out her love and appreciation for him. But she concludes that she cannot put all of them through another bout with her illness. She went down to the nearby river, put a large stone in the pocket of her jacket and waded in until the current took her. The piece on the dvd portrays her suicide as an almost heroic act. This was during the height of WWII and apparently she & Leonard also had some fear that they would be arrested by the Nazis if Germany ever managed to invade England. I've read a few of her books. I think 'Mrs. Dalloway' (which is the novel she is writing in 'The Hours' and is the main linking mechanism between the three stories in the film and the novel it was adapted from) is a work of genius. Here was this woman with an amazing talent, creating original and amazing works of depth and beauty and because of some kind of imbalance in her brain, found life ultimately unbearable and ended that life. The character of Richard in 'The Hours' is Virginia's parallel in this respect (he's a poet as well and much of 'Mrs. Dalloway' reads like poetry, imo). His body and mind have been erroded away by illness and the drugs he has to take just to go on living. Can we say that the choice to end a life under these circumstances is wrong? I feel so saddened by Andrea's decision. But ultimately, I guess it was her decision to make and who am I to say whether it was right or wrong? Mark (not advocating suicide but who has so many questions in his head, just like the rest of you) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:55:01 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: messages from beyond (njc) In a message dated 9/6/03 12:50:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > Oh, I DEFINITELY believe this is true! In fact, > > My Dad communicated to me in a dream. He had been confined to a wheel chair > due to stroke years before his death. He loved to go fishing. Soon after he > died, I had this dream....I saw my Dad smiling at me. He was standing there > fishing in a clear freshwater stream. He was paralyzed no more. I knew then he > had found his way home. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:26:29 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC > "You do not have to be good. > You do not have to walk on your knees > for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting. > You only have to let the soft animal of your body > love what it loves. > Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine. > Meanwhile the world goes on. > Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain > are moving across the landscapes, > over the prairies and the deep trees, > the mountains and the rivers. > Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air, > are heading home again. > Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, > the world offers itself to your imagination, > calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting- > over and over anouncing your place > in the family of things" > > *Some of you may know this, I hope you enjoy. Love in the > night from the west of Scotland Maggie.. ** This is wonderful. Thank you so much for it, Maggie. Let us hear from you! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:34:24 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: messages from beyond (njc) That is so beautiful Anne My Mom came to me as a bird. She flew into my store one night. I had left the door open to get some air and in came this sweet little bird. It just came right up to me at the register. I think she was saying that I better straighten up and fly right. I started drinking way to much after she died. jody - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: messages from beyond (njc) > In a message dated 9/6/03 12:50:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > anne@sandstrom.com writes: > > > > Oh, I DEFINITELY believe this is true! In fact, > > > > My Dad communicated to me in a dream. He had been confined to a wheel chair > > due to stroke years before his death. He loved to go fishing. Soon after he > > died, I had this dream....I saw my Dad smiling at me. He was standing there > > fishing in a clear freshwater stream. He was paralyzed no more. I knew then he > > had found his way home. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:52:40 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) StephenToogood wrote: > I haven't heard 'Been On A Train' yet. I'm up to 'New York > Tendaberry' which threw me a bit! I think the next instalment is > 'Christmas & The Beads Of Sweat'. Can't wait. > > Steve > And that's where you'll find 'Been On A Train'. 'Christmas and the Beads of Sweat' is my personal favorite Laura Nyro. 'Been On A Train' might be a companion piece with 'Poverty Train'. Both very powerful. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:57:20 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) And the last two songs are so > full-on emotional that they almost overwhelm me. The tumultuous > build up to the climax of "Christmas In My Soul", leading to a sudden > silence with just Laura's voice hitting a high note of awesome purity > and emotive charge... well, it's one of the most treasurable moments > in my ludicrously extensive record collection. > Yes! 'Christmas In My Soul' is one of the most stirring songs I know of. To me 'CATBOS' is Laura's masterpiece. I really have a hard time with 'New York Tendaberry'. A bit too over the top for me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 10:59:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) StephenToogood wrote: > Oh that's gotta' be worth seeing! > I hope they release a whole live DVD at some stage. > > Steve > Does anyone know if there were ever songbooks released of any of Laura's albums? I have looked on Amazon and Ebay and the only one I can find is a compilation that reviewers on Amazon say is not very good. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:06:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Depression (njc) --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > At > some point, > ridiculously soon after Denny's death, someone at > Bruce's work > suggested it was time he 'get over it and move on'. > Having been > through the loss of a partner myself, I was incensed > at this person's > insensitivity. Your life is completely changed > forever. You don't > just 'get over it and move on'. > Exactly. Never tell anyone to get over it and move on. They do that when they're ready. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:25:05 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: messages from beyond (njc) Hi Jody. Remember me from Ashara's? I certainly remember you and not just because of the crutches. Others have said it but you are a lovely human being. You radiate warmth. I sent a post some time ago about an eagle that circled over me in a moment when I was feeling the presence of my late partner. There have been many moments over the past 10 plus years when I know Edward has been speaking to me in one way or another. Mark Scott and Jody wrote: > That is so beautiful Anne > My Mom came to me as a bird. She flew into my store one night. I had > left the door open to get some air and in came this sweet little > bird. It just came right up to me at the register. I think she was > saying that I better straighten up and fly right. I started drinking > way to much after she died. > > jody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: peter stefanides Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #446 Hi everyone, hope everyone is doing well. i was wondering, does anyone know when joni's book is coming out? joni made a reference to it in that world leaders video. also, mingus mentioned something about it but wasn't sure if he was bs'ing me. :) peter Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Depression (njc) wiser words were never spoken. there is no getting over it anyway. learning to live with a deep , meaningful loss, maybe, but getting it over with, never. broadsided, mack truck, yea something like that. mags Catherine McKay wrote: - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > At > some point, > ridiculously soon after Denny's death, someone at > Bruce's work > suggested it was time he 'get over it and move on'. > Having been > through the loss of a partner myself, I was incensed > at this person's > insensitivity. Your life is completely changed > forever. You don't > just 'get over it and move on'. > Exactly. Never tell anyone to get over it and move on. They do that when they're ready. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:27:39 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: njc I am back from 2 weeks away in France, with a bit of Italy thrown in. Too knackered to write much.Covered 3000 miles. nearly got killed in a hurricane. I had a look at the archives and I could spit! after months of boring, i see it has got really interesting! xoxoxo - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 13:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: A sign? NJC I just got the pictures developed from our road trip out west and wanted to share this one with you all in light of our recent discussion on depression/suicide. Just follow the link below. xo Jenny http://people.umass.edu/goodspee/It's-great-to-be-alive_jpg.htm What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:18:26 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: metamorphosis website NJC To anyone who is interested in learning more about Metamorphosis ( a healing technique which i recommended as useful in addressing depression) try this. Go to any search engine and just enter metamorphosis - a site heading will come up with just that title and will mention relfex points and the name Robert St John, thats your baby. Failing that go to www.geckomountain.com.au. If anyone has any problems getting more info off the web then contact me direct and i can tell you more away from the list. This might be more interesting for some people anyway. Good luck Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:34:03 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Laura Nyro Songbook (NJC) Hi Mark, Here is the Laura Nyro songbook that most people want: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3344541431&category=29889&rd=1 This auction is ended, and the book is out of print and fetches a healthy price on eBay, but if you can find one in good condition, it's well worth it! I have - or rather had one of these, but when I was singing in clubs in the '70s, my pianists used it a lot, and when you perform a song like "Tom Cat Goodby" that goes for maybe 9 or 10 pages, they get really worn from turning and eventually come apart! That's what my songbook looks like now - numerous pieces of pages! It has some great photos and artwork in it too. I believe this was the only songbook that was ever published, except for the new one that is now selling on eBay. I haven't had the opportunity to see this new one with the CD yet. I always kick myself for not buying two of the old "Music of Laura Nyro" songbooks when I could afford them! Best regards, Gary Mark or Travis wrote: >Does anyone know if there were ever songbooks released of any of >Laura's albums? I have looked on Amazon and Ebay and the only one I >can find is a compilation that reviewers on Amazon say is not very >good. > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:35:12 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Dulcimer excitement... NJC Thanks Chuck for your info and inspiring ideas about the 'easy' dulcimer. I had always heard it was more complicated. I am in Ireland and thinking of moving back to England after being here 6 years. I would like to bring a musical instrument with me as a token of this beautiful country. I know its not traditional but its still music. Thanks again and i'll let you know if i get one. G'luck Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:39:18 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Depression (njc) In a message dated 9/6/03 2:46:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > wiser words were never spoken. there is no getting over it anyway. learning > to live with a deep , meaningful loss, maybe, but getting it over with, > never. > No, you never get over it. There ain't a day that goes by that I don't miss my brother Richard. As a matter of fact, I'm going to New Hope, PA this evening to see John Eddie at Havana's. I hate going there anymore because it is sometimes too painful. It reminds me too much of my brother. Richard use to live & work there in an antique store. We would often times meet there for lunch and go antique hunting. Unlike my husband, Richard would love to go shopping with me LOL!!! He would always play that Neil Diamond song "Crackin' Rosie" I called his partner Tony today to say I'll be stopping by where he bartends. Yeah I'll probably let out a big boo hoo, but I can't just pass through town without just saying hello. We still look out for one another that way. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc See? I toldya everyone - in France, looking for a bitch! Good to see you back, Colin - we missed you! --- tantra-apso wrote: > I am back from 2 weeks away in France, with a bit of > Italy thrown in. > Too knackered to write much.Covered 3000 miles. > nearly got killed in a > hurricane. > I had a look at the archives and I could spit! after > months of boring, i > see it has got really interesting! > xoxoxo > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:04:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Laura Nyro Songbook (NJC) Steve Polifka, who was at Jonifest, had a good way of dealing with that. He took his Joni Mitchell songbook to Kinko's and had it spiral-bound together. I've got the same books (vols 1 and 2) and many other older songbooks that are just great books but have fallen apart through use and just aging and I think I'm going to do this as well - before I lose some of the pages. The beauty of the spiral binding is, it's easy to set it up on a piano or music stand and turn the pages - with the other kind of binding, you always need to hold it down with something, or bend it a bit to keep it flat, thus contributing to its breakdown even further. A lot of music books these days seem to have spiral binding, which makes a lot more sense, IMO, than the traditional spine. (I would like that Laura book too and I keep an eye for it on EBay but you're right - it's kind of expensive!) --- Gary Zack wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Here is the Laura Nyro songbook that most people > want: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3344541431&category=29889&rd=1 > > This auction is ended, and the book is out of print > and fetches a > healthy price on eBay, but if you can find one in > good condition, it's > well worth it! I have - or rather had one of these, > but when I was > singing in clubs in the '70s, my pianists used it a > lot, and when you > perform a song like "Tom Cat Goodby" that goes for > maybe 9 or 10 pages, > they get really worn from turning and eventually > come apart! That's > what my songbook looks like now - numerous pieces of > pages! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:04:55 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: [none] OK-- I'm sure this is a really weird question, but does anybody out there want my old Beta format copy of the "Shadows and Light" video. I kept my Beta machine a long time so I could keep watching this, but eventually I parted with that old technology and now with the DVD--I could part with the tape, not for money, but I would take some kind of trade. So is anyone running behind the times, just like this Betamax? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:06:49 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) Hi Mark I have the 'Time & Love' songbook! I only got it for guitar because I can't really read sheet music or play the piano. Quite quick chord changes and difficult for the guitar I found. A friend of mine however tried a few of the songs out on his piano and they sounded good I thought. Of course I'm sure there is detail missing. Quite an obvious song selection but a mixed one. Yeah I'm still finding 'New York Tendaberry' a bit difficult! Very dark. I do however love 'Captain For A Dark Morning', (A fave of Joni's too if I'm not mistaken) Save The Country (OMG) and 'Gibsom Street'. That reminds me I found the opening chords on the piano for 'Gibsom Street' (not in the book) and couldn't stop playing them. So distinctive and beautiful. Definitely makes me think of the night in NYC. I couldn't get much further with the song though, but I was happy for just that (I had no orchestra with me anyway). Steve NP: 'A Case Of You' - Diana Krall - Thinking of Andrea - Thank you Chris and Bob! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "StephenToogood" ; "Joni List" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Laura (NJC) > StephenToogood wrote: > > Oh that's gotta' be worth seeing! > > I hope they release a whole live DVD at some stage. > > > > Steve > > > > Does anyone know if there were ever songbooks released of any of > Laura's albums? I have looked on Amazon and Ebay and the only one I > can find is a compilation that reviewers on Amazon say is not very > good. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:11:30 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Laura Nyro Songbook (NJC) That's a great idea Catherine!! But I'll bet I've probably lost some of the pages of mine by now, due to long storage and a time when I wasn't so diligent with keeping things together. An excellent idea for those songbooks that we still have though - Kinko's never occurred to me. I think I've seen eBay get upwards of $200.00 for a near-mint condition of that book! Best to you - Gary Catherine McKay wrote: >Steve Polifka, who was at Jonifest, had a good way of >dealing with that. He took his Joni Mitchell songbook >to Kinko's and had it spiral-bound together. I've got >the same books (vols 1 and 2) and many other older >songbooks that are just great books but have fallen >apart through use and just aging and I think I'm going >to do this as well - before I lose some of the pages. >The beauty of the spiral binding is, it's easy to set >it up on a piano or music stand and turn the pages - >with the other kind of binding, you always need to >hold it down with something, or bend it a bit to keep >it flat, thus contributing to its breakdown even >further. A lot of music books these days seem to have >spiral binding, which makes a lot more sense, IMO, >than the traditional spine. > >(I would like that Laura book too and I keep an eye >for it on EBay but you're right - it's kind of >expensive!) > > --- Gary Zack wrote: > >>Hi Mark, >> >>Here is the Laura Nyro songbook that most people >>want: >> >> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3344541431&category=29889&rd=1 > >>This auction is ended, and the book is out of print >>and fetches a >>healthy price on eBay, but if you can find one in >>good condition, it's >>well worth it! I have - or rather had one of these, >>but when I was >>singing in clubs in the '70s, my pianists used it a >>lot, and when you >>perform a song like "Tom Cat Goodby" that goes for >>maybe 9 or 10 pages, >>they get really worn from turning and eventually >>come apart! That's >>what my songbook looks like now - numerous pieces of >>pages! >> > > > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:18:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A sign? NJC --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > I just got the pictures developed from our road trip > out west and wanted to share this one with you all > in light of our recent discussion on > depression/suicide. Just follow the link below. xo > Jenny > > http://people.umass.edu/goodspee/It's-great-to-be-alive_jpg.htm > That's good! which reminds me of some graffiti I saw on a wall near where I work, which reads: "Music is entropy spelled backwards." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:20:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re: what works for depression. a wee bit JC --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > "You do not have to be good. > > You do not have to walk on your knees > > for a hundred miles through the desert, repenting. > > You only have to let the soft animal of your body > > love what it loves. > > Tell me about despair, yours, and I will tell you mine. > > Meanwhile the world goes on. > > Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain > > are moving across the landscapes, > > over the prairies and the deep trees, > > the mountains and the rivers. > > Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air, > > are heading home again. > > Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, > > the world offers itself to your imagination, > > calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting- > > over and over anouncing your place > > in the family of things" > > > > *Some of you may know this, I hope you enjoy. Love in > the > > night from the west of Scotland Maggie.. ** > > > This is wonderful. Thank you so much for it, Maggie. > Let us hear > from you! > > Mark Your welcome. For those interested the poem is called "Wild Geese" and it is by Mary Oliver. It is in a collection of poetry published by Bloodaxe over here called, appropriately enough, "Staying Alive, real poems for unreal times" edited by Neil Astley. I thoroughly recommend this book to everyone, even those with only the tiniest spark of interest in poetry. It is a brilliant collection of contemporary work from all over the world lovingly put together by Astley and sectioned under headings like " Body and Soul" "Bittersweet" "Disappearing acts" etc. It makes a great present to a loved one as well! > > ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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