From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #445 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 445 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dulcimer? NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Fwd: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) [FredNow@ao] Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! NJC ["StephenToog] Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! NJC [Lori_Fye/Was] Calling Chuck- HELP ME -NJC ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Depression/Melissa Manchester (njc) ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Melissa Manchester (njc) ["Joseph S.E. Palis" ] Re: Depression (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Depression (njc) [Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.co] Re: Melissa Manchester - and another MM(njc) [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] A woman I knew just drowned herself ... [Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partne] Re: First time poster ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Depression (njc) [Chris Marshall ] RE: Depression (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Depression NJC ["StephenToogood" ] Re: guitar NJC ["StephenToogood" ] Re: What works for Depression?/Happy Songs (NJC) ["StephenToogood" ] Re: guitar NJC ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Calling Chuck- HELP ME -NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Best joni opening lines ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Best joni opening lines [Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapart] Re: Best joni opening lines ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Best joni opening lines ["David Rahall" ] Re: Best joni opening lines ["StephenToogood" ] Internet Radio (NJC) [Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.co] Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) [Catherine ] Re: Melissa Manchester - and another MM(njc) [patti haskins ] Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) [Catherine ] Re: VLJC tech question ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:14:41 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Dulcimer? NJC I went to Chuck's dulcimer workshop at the fest...and he'd be the man to talk to. Basically....his mantra was: "THere are no rules when it comes to the dulcimer" "No wrong way to play a dulcimer".......hear the sound and play what feels good to you. DOn't worry about what note to play..."CUZ THEY AIN"T NO NOTES ON A DULCIMER..YOU JEST PLAY IT" He didn't say that last part. BUt..just yesterday.. I got a dulcimer in the mail that I had ordered. Unfortunately..it was fretted out on the third and fourth fret. SO it's going back to Musician's Friend. But already I was playing.."You are my Sunshine" even though defective. Yes..i have a guitar and I'm no great shakes..so I'm trying the dulcimer. Very reasonable too...I paid $99 and it was made in Tennessee..all wood..birch and cedar. SO go for it and try to get a hold of Chuck. Good luck!! Bree >Does anyone out there own a dulcimer. I am seriously thinking of getting >one - i have a guitar but cannot get to grips with it at all - for some >reason i think the dulcimer will be for me. > >any ideas? > >Robin > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Fwd: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover - ----- Forwarded message from Amelia Aiken ----- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:22:35 +0100 (BST) From: Amelia Aiken Reply-To: JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups.com Subject: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover To: JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups.com thought you might be interested in a great new version of Little green recorded by a Band calleed Vinegar Brain from Deptford, London, UK It swings along with a really nice groove and the guy who writes the songs says he writes the songs on the guitar in open tunings because hes a big Joni fan. Its on an album called LOVE ? which is out in the UK in a couple of weeks the web site is www.vinegarbrain.co.uk theres some clips of the songs on there. If anyone gets a chance to hear the song, let me know what you think. Also theres a band called Blue Tapestry who are on tour in the UK doing cover versions of Joni and Carol King. The're a fantastic band and they really do justice to the songs. Take it easy Amelia - --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger - ----- End forwarded message ----- thought you might be interested in a great new version of Little green recorded by a Band calleed Vinegar Brain from Deptford, London, UK It swings along with a really nice groove and the guy who writes the songs says he writes the songs on the guitar in open tunings because hes a big Joni fan. Its on an album called LOVE ? which is out in the UK in a couple of weeks the web site is www.vinegarbrain.co.uk theres some clips of the songs on there. If anyone gets a chance to hear the song, let me know what you think. Also theres a band called Blue Tapestry who are on tour in the UK doing cover versions of Joni and Carol King. The're a fantastic band and they really do justice to the songs. Take it easy Amelia - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger [TABLE NOT SHOWN] It's all a Dream, She has awake..... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:44:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: [JoniMitchellfans] little green cover >thought you might be interested in a great new version of Little green >recorded >by a Band calleed Vinegar Brain from Deptford, London, UK Thanks Jerry, this same author (Amelia, nice name!) emailed me earlier this week with the news, so it's already added in my database. Since it's not easily available online, could some kind soul in the UK step up and pick up this cd for me? I will of course reimburse all expenses, or you could trade for Joni - "Let's Sing Out" CD + lots of other goodies! Here's the clip: http://www.vinegarbrain.com/chars/little_green.htm Bob, trying to keep up with the covers...huff puff puff! :~) NP: Kings of Leon, "California Waiting" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:57:00 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) In a message dated 9/5/2003 9:12:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AzeemAK writes: > > In a message dated 05/09/2003 11:44:25 GMT Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > His answer was very surprising: low blood caffeine! > > >Try it yourself and see what a difference proper > >caffeine levels can make in *your* life! > > > > << [...] So before I look at my haggard face in the bathroom light, I gots to drink a good cup of Joe! >> > > I got a huge chunk of deja vu reading this, Catherine! Does anyone else have a strange feeling that this discussion has > happened before?? Azeem, that "strange feeling" is one of the tell-tale signs of low blood caffeine! - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:45:22 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! NJC You know Fred, I think you could have something there! Since quitting (I hope I don't jinx myself now) smoking I have had this real addiction to Chocolate. I've only liked the stuff for a few years but now I eat like 200g a day. It doesn't seem to do anything bad to my body and it's a lot better than cigarettes (I'm not preaching). Obviously quitting cigs have made me feel much better (no really I'm not) but Chocolate gives me a real boost. I'm guessing it's the sugar too but I think a lot of it might be the Cafeine. Steve NP: Caught A Lite Sneeze - Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:28 AM Subject: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) > "Mark or Travis" writes: > > > I've been on somewhat of a personal quest to find out why I > > hit periods or low energy and lack of mental acuity. > > > Mark or Travis, I just might have the solution for you! > > I'm also 49 (or as I like to call it: 50 for people in denial about turning 50 ... as in "hey, man, I'm *only* 49; I'm still in my 40s!"), and I, too, have periods of low energy and lack of mental acuity! So I went to my doctor and I said "Doctor, doctor, Mr. M.D., now, can you tell me what's ailin' me?" > > His answer was very surprising: low blood caffeine! > > He said millions of folks suffer needlessly from this common but under-diagnosed condition! It turns out that not maintaining proper levels of caffeine in the blood can result in -- you guessed it! -- low energy and lack of mental acuity! Who knew? > > And he warned me not to drink decaf under *any* circumstances, saying "If you want decaf, drink water!" > > Since my diagnosis, I make sure my caffeine level is optimum by drinking eight large glasses of coffee every day! On days when I need that extra little boost, I drink another eight! Voil`! Problem solved! > > Try it yourself and see what a difference proper caffeine levels can make in *your* life! > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:59:59 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! NJC > I'm guessing it's the sugar too but I think a lot of it might be > the Cafeine. Actually, chocolate doesn't contain caffeine. But, to me, cacao = coca = coffee (they're sort of related) so let's ingest massive quantities of ALL of them!! It's the buzz I'm seeking. Lori, who wishes she were alive when Coca-Cola really did include the REAL thing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:05:27 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Calling Chuck- HELP ME -NJC Chuck - if you are out there - i dont know you from Adam but i was told by Bree to contact you about Dulcimers - he was at your workshop. I like what he said you'd said -ie 'theres no right way to play a dulcimer' - this sounds like my kind of instrument. Any advice on the right one to get and how to get going with it. Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:07:23 -0400 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: VLJC tech question Does anyone know how to extract the audio from a DVD and make a CD from = it (MP3 or cda)? I'd rather not buy the cds that accompany my growing = DVD music-video collection. I have all 3 Joni's and I'd really love S&L = on audio cd, otherwise I can't listen to it other than at home. The only = thing I can think of is take the audio out cable from my DVD player and = put it in a CD-R or some sort of recorder, but the only device I = currently have is my computer's CD-R, and my DVD is part of my = home-theatre set-up which I'd rather not mess up. =20 My other DVD concerts are (in case anyone's interested in a review or = just my musical tastes) Air Supply - Definitive Beach Boys - Good-Timin' Brian Wilson - Imagination, On-tour, and All Star Tribute to Bruce Springsteen & E-Street - live in NYC Dave Brubeck - Return to Moscow Dave Matthews Band - Listener Supported & Live at Folsom Field David Gray - Live @ the Point Diana Krall (my old fav female vocalist) - Live in Paris (she does a = haunting version of "A Case of You" Don Henley - Inside Job Eagles - Hell Freezes Over (one of the best concerts of all-time) Genesis - the way we walk Harry Chapin (my 2nd fav male SS) - Live at Rockpalast James Taylor - Pull Over & Live at Beacon Ladysmith Black Mambazo (if you like a capella, get some of their stuff) = - - Live @ Royal albert hall Miles Davis - Live in Munich Nat King Cole - collection of his tv series Norah Jones (my new fav female vocalist) - Live in New Orleans Paul Simon (my fav male SS) - You're the One & Graceland Peter Gabriel - Secret World Rockapella (awesome a capella group) Roger Waters - The Wall Live in Berlin (2 guest appearances by Joni - = many other good guests too) Sting - Brand New Day & All this Time (excellent performance from his = Tuscany House) U2 - Elevation & Rattle and Hum Wilco - I am trying to Break your Heart (just got it today - haven't = seen it yet) Any suggestions for other great concerts? [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:12:43 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Depression/Melissa Manchester (njc) That's very touching and really hits a nail the head. I have never heard any of her work. I'll will have to add her to my list. NP: Doughnut Song - Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherelle Smith" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Depression (njc) > There's a song by Melissa Manchester that I have sung to myself and to > others through the years in which depression is not denied, and an > affirmation of life is made, Here's my favorite part: > > I'm gonna laugh till it hurts > And cry till you fill me > Because I may never, never > Pass this way no more > And I will not apologize > If we don't wear the same shoe size > And try-try to be happy now... > > Sherelle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! > https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: VLJC tech question Quoting Timothy Foldoe : > Does anyone know how to extract the audio from a DVD and make a CD from > = > it (MP3 or cda)? I'd rather not buy the cds that accompany my growing = > DVD music-video collection. I have all 3 Joni's and I'd really love S&L > = > on audio cd, otherwise I can't listen to it other than at home. The digital signal from a dvd is not recordable (unless you are a REAL pro.) So the best way is to take the analog signal out, using RCA plugs, and making a cd copy from it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:23:56 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! NJC LOL Oh...you learn something new everyday. Well it's doing the job. Steve NP: Putting The Damage On - Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "StephenToogood" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! NJC > > I'm guessing it's the sugar too but I think a lot of it might be > > the Cafeine. > > Actually, chocolate doesn't contain caffeine. But, to me, cacao = coca = > coffee (they're sort of related) so let's ingest massive quantities of ALL > of them!! > > It's the buzz I'm seeking. > > Lori, > who wishes she were alive when Coca-Cola really did include the REAL thing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:38:27 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Depression/Melissa Manchester (njc) > That's very touching and really hits a nail the head. > I have never heard any of her work. > I'll will have to add her to my list. From the song "Funny That Way" on Melissa debut album "Home To Myself": No, I don't have the soul of Joni And I cannot see myself like Miss Laura But I have found so much that pleases me And I guess its me, I'm just funny that way Mack and Jerry and Joseph and I had a brief thread about Melissa back in April. Before I discovered Joni, Melissa was "my girl" for years (all through high school for sure). I saw her in concert in 1976, near Cleveland, and she rocked the house! My suggestion is to RUN, not walk, your mouse or your feet to your nearest audio source and buy SOMETHING. "The Essence of Melissa Manchester" is a good deal with 19 songs from several of her albums, and it's a nice showcase for her range of talent. Once a backup singer for Bette Midler, MM became popular with the release (and airplay) of "Midnight Blue" from her third album ("Melissa" -- which Mack has recently been kind enough to send me!). However, my favorite MM albums are still her first two, which are difficult to find on CD but would be well worth the search. (And if anyone finds them, please let me know!!) Discography, et cetera, can be found here (of course): http://www.melissamanchester.com Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:41:07 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: joni on the boards The film is called 'Love' Here is the page link (on the best site ever) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=160 This bit really cracked me up: "Love" is a difficult move to make. The budget by today's standards is small-$3.5 million. The average studio film's cost now approaches $10 million. Wow, how the times change! NP: Banquet - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin mortlock" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: joni on the boards > No - it was in an interview in Hot Press - an Irish music mag - around > the time of Both Sides Now. She talked about her negativity to the music > biz and also mentioned this play that she was going to write - about > relationships. - The short film sounds interesting though - what was it > about and called.? > > > >That may have been the short film she did around the time of WTRF. >It > was never released. I would love to see it, I bet Joni's a good actress. > > >Steve > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:56:06 -0400 From: "Joseph S.E. Palis" Subject: Re: Melissa Manchester (njc) And Melissa M.can do jazz too. Check out her IN TRIBUTE album and you will get to listen to her in a different setting. More supper club setting. Her version of _Lady Be Good_ recalls Ella's scat magnum opus in 1947, and its fantastic to hear Melissa do the things only good ole Ella can do. One other singer I "discovered" to have great "jazz feel" lately is Maureen McGOvern. She did a sublime version of Harold Arlen's _Ding Dong The Witch is Dead_ and she mimicked the ultra-fast horn lines and just became one of the instruments. She also did this kind of thing in her tribute to Gershwin where she used the edge of her soprano voice to "sing" Strauss' motif from the operetta _Die Fledermaus_. The song was called _By Strauss_ and me and my girlfriend had gaping mouths while she was doing the entire performance. Check out these two M's. Joseph in Chapel Hill Quoting Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com: .> Mack and Jerry and Joseph and I had a brief thread about Melissa back > in > April. Before I discovered Joni, Melissa was "my girl" for years > (all > through high school for sure). I saw her in concert in 1976, near > Cleveland, and she rocked the house! > > My suggestion is to RUN, not walk, your mouse or your feet to your > nearest > audio source and buy SOMETHING. "The Essence of Melissa Manchester" > is a > good deal with 19 songs from several of her albums, and it's a nice > showcase for her range of talent. > > Once a backup singer for Bette Midler, MM became popular with the > release > (and airplay) of "Midnight Blue" from her third album ("Melissa" -- > which > Mack has recently been kind enough to send me!). However, my > favorite MM > albums are still her first two, which are difficult to find on CD but > > would be well worth the search. (And if anyone finds them, please > let me > know!!) > > Discography, et cetera, can be found here (of course): > http://www.melissamanchester.com > > Lori > Joseph S.E. Palis Department of Geography University of North Carolina Saunders Hall, CB 3220 Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-3220 palis@email.unc.edu joepalis@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:07:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Depression (njc) i am really moved by everyone's contributions to this topic...many of the suggestions have really have worked for me at one time or another...sometimes temporarily so but that is fine... i don't think that i know what lifelong biological depression is but i have experienced long periods of what i would describe as situational depression, maybe with some hormonal stuff thrown in for fun- its a feeling of being stuck, of forcing myself to go to work or going through the motions of whatever my myriad of responsibilites (including social or creative or helping others) required but not really enjoying my life, wanting to fall asleep & not wake up or at least not wake up to the life i was in the middle of living... what i found is that life does change & yes even history can change (i related to the post on metamorphosis as i have experienced such a profound altering in another way) & sometimes trudging through for god knows how long it takes when it seems like it will go on forever...well, eventually you might find yourself in a brand new world because you just kept walking & by the grace of god's intervention... i have seen how some of the most awful situaltions/events that i thought i could not bear eventually turned into the most miraculous blessings... it happened to me so it could happen to others but you have to stick around for the whole show to give it a chance to unfold... one more thought- isolation is dangerous...so is the belief that happiness is possible or even desirable all of the time (our culture really is insidious with that message)...in the natural world, there are seasons, tides, & we are part of that ever changing world... allowing, accepting, & sharing my thoughts & feelings is at the core of healing, for me... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:09:32 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Depression (njc) > allowing, accepting, & sharing my thoughts & feelings is at the core of > healing, for me... This is all such wonderful stuff coming out for discussion. I think Andrea would be pleased to know that her existence on earth and here in JMDL-land really did mean something, and really was valuable, and at the very least has brought about this potentially healing conversation. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Melissa Manchester - and another MM(njc) Quoting "Joseph S.E. Palis" : > > > One other singer I "discovered" to have great "jazz feel" lately is > Maureen McGOvern. She did a sublime version of Harold Arlen's _Ding > Dong The Witch is Dead_ and she mimicked the ultra-fast horn lines and > just became one of the instruments. She also did this kind of thing in > her tribute to Gershwin where she used the edge of her soprano voice > to "sing" Strauss' motif from the operetta _Die Fledermaus_. The song > was called _By Strauss_ and me and my girlfriend had gaping mouths > while she was doing the entire performance. Now you are talking. Since Rosemary Clooney has gone, I consider Maureen MsGovern to be the finest interpreter of the American Songbook. I have every one of her albums. She is incredible live. And like Joni stuck with the hippie chick persona (albeit reenforced by the outfit she wore when she won her Best Pop Album Grammy), Maureen is unfortunately remembered as that movie theme singer from the 70's. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:12:36 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: A woman I knew just drowned herself ... Of course that lyric keeps floating around in my head, and it just lead me to look it up, and this is what I found. Very interesting. http://www.congadragon.co.uk/musical_inspiration.html Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:14:31 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: First time poster Hi Melissa, 'Hits' is the first Joni album I got too! Yeah I remember as soon as 'Urge For Going' began never hearing anything quite like it (still haven't) and then the rest unfolded with such diversity. I love the album right through. 'Misses' is a tougher listen but a lot of her best songs are on there. I know have all of Joni's CD's! Her consistence really is amazing. 68-76 is unbeatable. I think MOI is my 3rd fave Joni album and my fave all time live album. Not a bad track if you ask me. It's like you are there (oh how I wish I were a few years older). I hope you love it. I think NRH is probably one of her less cynical albums which makes an enjoyable listen. Still it took me a while to 'get' it. A big welcome to you, Steve NP: For The Roses - Joni (no bar chords but damn hard to play, I think) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: First time poster > While I have been receiving the 3Joni Only2 list for about a year now, this > is my first post. The posts of the other newbies have prompted me to do > likewise. For what it9s worth, I thought I9d share with you how I > discovered Joni. > > I gave Joni a go for the first time in 1997 after becoming disenchanted with > contemporary music offerings. After dabbling with an eclectic range of > artists (including Ella Fitzgerald, Judy Garland, Lou Reed, Dusty > Springfield, Janis, Dinah Washington, Talking Heads, Bette Midler and > assorted opera divas) I bought 3Hits2 from a major chain store. From the > moment I heard the first chords of 3Urge for Going2 (Track No.1) I was > hooked. The lyrics sold me. As a first time listener, who could not be > affected by hearing: > > I am not some stone commission > Like a statue in a park > I am flesh and blood and vision > I am howling in the dark > > Such forceful sentiments! I was satisfied with playing the 3Hits2 > compilation for more than 12 months. It is ALL I played - in the car, at > the office, at home. My head was spinning with Joni phrases. I9d > subconsciously drop Joni phrases into conversations. Things like 3They > won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream some of us had2 went down > a treat at dinner parties! But it became worse than that. I soon started > having real-life Joni experiences! Get this - during the 12 manic months of > my 3Hits2 obsession, I was fortunate enough to have lived through the > following Joni experience: > > I feel your leg under the table > Leaning into mine > I feel renewed > I feel disabled > By these bonfires in my spine > > To be obsessed by Joni9s use of language and then to actually live through > my own 3incendiary2 moment was synchronicity in action! Bliss! Luxury! > > I thought it was unhealthy to love a CD so much, so I decided to lash out on > an album. As so many of my faves from Hits came from Blue, this was my > first choice. Imagine my delight when I found that there wasn9t a dud track > on the album. Sure - I love some tracks more than others, but they are all > terrific in their own right. Learning more about Joni has only increased my > appreciation of her talents. I initially thought that 3Little Green2 was > just a pretty song. Now I can9t listen to it without choking up. 3So you > sign all the papers in the family name. You're sad and you're sorry but > you're not ashamed2 is so sad - yet in a strange way it is uplifting and > sort of comforting to know that that there is no shame - sadness and sorrow, > yes, but no shame. What a gal! > > I followed up Blue with LOTC, then Misses, C&S, THOSL, Hejira, FTR and TTT. > I recently purchased Shadows and Light, and I9m expecting my delivery of > Miles of Aisles and Night Ride Home any day now. > > Joni9s lyrics still get me. It9s not just the strong message of her songs, > but Joni9s choice of particular words that speak to me so much. For > example, in 3Edith and the Kingpin2 the words used are 3He TILTS their > tired faces Gently to the spoon2. Joni9s choice of 3tilts2 in favour of > 3turns2 gets me every time. Tilt implies a more deliberate act that turn, > so the message of the song is conveyed more powerfully to us. Anyway, just > my theory. > > I9m from Australia, so I loved the recent posts from the Tasmanian Devil > terrorising the young shop assistant in the chain store! I feel his pain, > because Joni material is not easy to come by - and I live in a larger State > than Tassie. > > Anyway I thought I9d share my perspective with you all. Enough from me for > now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:22:51 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Depression (njc) On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 08:09 PM, Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com wrote: > This is all such wonderful stuff coming out for discussion. I think > Andrea would be pleased to know that her existence on earth and here in > JMDL-land really did mean something, and really was valuable, and at > the > very least has brought about this potentially healing conversation. This is quite something - it's true. Until very very recently, i.e. the last few years, I didn't count myself as someone who actually knew anyone who'd suffered from depression, and I certainly wouldn't have counted myself as someone who had experienced some of it's symptoms (albeit comparatively mildly). After all, society isn't good at educating us as to the symptoms and effects of depression, and all we seem to get is the "media view" of it really, when someone has a nervous breakdown or worse. It's a real eye-opener, but such a useful discussion in terms of knowing what the signs are in oneself, and keeping en extra eye out for other people. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:28:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Depression (njc) absolutely, that is a very comforting thought...thanks lori... > This is all such wonderful stuff coming out for discussion. I think Andrea would be pleased to know that her existence on earth and here in JMDL-land really did mean something, and really was valuable, and at the very least has brought about this potentially healing conversation. Lori < ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:27:03 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Depression NJC I know how you feel and REALLY I'm not just saying that. But that is the depression talking! You have to fight it and yes try and improve your life at the same time. I know it's easier said than done but you know I'm right. Like someone said earlier (sorry there have been so many posts) LIFE CAN CHANGE! Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Joni List" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:28 AM Subject: RE: Depression NJC > i never fight depression. depression is a symptom and as such it is a red > light. it is just like fever: it is there to let you know that something > deeper, more structural is not all right. if you suppress depression, you > might miss the signal. if you're lucky, very lucky, you can improve what's > radically wrong with you and your life. > another reason why trying to fight depression is futile is that... well, you > just CAN'T fight depression. when you're depressed your ability to put any > kind of fight is gone. you can't even find a good reason to get out of bed, > let alone to exercise or do anything physical. oh you can go through the > motions, go to work, go to the gym, go to church, go to a party, but you are > still depressed. no one knows or notices, but you are depressed. you may be > enchanting everyone with your charming conversation and your incredible wit, > but you may still be considering ways to put an end to your life and to your > misery. you may stimulate your endorphins for a while, but depression will > stay with you, maybe dormant, maybe as an aftertaste, on the lurk. > i am very pleased to have found a way that i deal with to put an end to my > life when the moment comes for that decision. i've been thinking about it > for many years and the right way suddenly came to me in a movie, a very bad > movie at that. i have told a friend and my sister what they have to do with > my stuff and how to deal with the legal aspects if and when i kill myself. > one thing's sure though and that is i won't be depressed the day i kill > myself. depression robs you of all your energy and you need all your > strength to kill yourself. > suicide has to do with melancholy rather than with depression. you want out. > you want out of history. you have come to the realization that you are part > of a plan and a state of affairs (personal, political, public, whatever) > where your opinion doesn't count anymore, where your only and last choice is > to turn your life off. and you want to be able to protect and make that > choice before it too is taken away from you. > when you are blue or down, you run, you take a pill, you help your neighbor > paint his kitchen. when you are depressed, the way some of us are and have > been since childhood, you plan your suicide and wait. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:46:14 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: guitar NJC What dumb-asses. My music shop wasn't much better when I asked about altered tunings either. I am happy with my guitar though considering it was cheap. This reminds me; I was reading a Joni guitar article not so long a go and she said that nothing compared to her Martin D-28 that got stolen off a carousel in Maui. She said it was her true love so I looked up how much the same model to buy now would be. Scary - see for yourselves http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=D-28 I have noticed that heavy strings help with tuning down. I think you get a better tone and it doesn't rattle so much. OMG I'm giving guitar advice (you should hear me play) LOL. Peace Steve NP: The Dawntreader - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > I've been breaking a lot of guitar strings lately > because of retuning (damn that Joni!) so I went in to > buy guitar strings today and mentioned using alt > tunings. The wiseguy that sold me my last guitar told > me I really need another guitar - one tuned to > standard and another to alt tunings. I mentioned that > there were a whole bunch of different tunings i'd been > using, but that, if I were to win the lottery, I might > take his suggestion and maybe buy a dozen guitars or > so. It was at that point that it occurred to me that > the demon VG-8 might not be so terrible after all. > (But it don't gots that acoustic vibe that I love so > much!) > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:50:44 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: What works for Depression?/Happy Songs (NJC) Laura Nyro does it for me! 'Sweet Blindness' has to be the happiest song I've ever heard! I was mesmerised when I first heard it. Of course 'Poverty Train' is one of the saddest songs I've heard. "Ba ba ba ba ba... Steve NP: The Dawntreader - Joni From: "Catherine McKay" > Listening to joyful music. Some of my all-time joyful > music(s) are: Exultate, Jubilate by Mozart; Hungry > Heart by Bruuuuuuccce (especially when played good and > loud while driving, driving, driving, with the windows > open); One more colour by Jane Siberry. And there are > others that come and go. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:52:11 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: guitar NJC <> Stephen - I don't play AT ALL, but here I go giving advice. Take this, therefore, with the hugest grain of salt imaginable..... Gisele, my partner, has had great luck getting rid of string rattle in alt tunings by using the divided sets of strings (aka bluegrass sets). She still breaks plenty, but the Elixir strings in the divided sets seem to last longer than the cheapies did - now they wear out more often than they snap in two! (see specs here: http://www.greatstrings.com/11075.html) Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:24:31 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: guitar NJC Thanks Cynthia I will try them next time I break a string...any time now :) Steve NP: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Vickery" To: "StephenToogood" ; ; Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: Re: guitar NJC > < think you get a better tone and it doesn't rattle so much. OMG > I'm giving guitar advice (you should hear me play) LOL. >> > > Stephen - I don't play AT ALL, but here I go giving advice. Take > this, therefore, with the hugest grain of salt imaginable..... > > Gisele, my partner, has had great luck getting rid of string > rattle in alt tunings by using the divided sets of strings (aka > bluegrass sets). She still breaks plenty, but the Elixir strings > in the divided sets seem to last longer than the cheapies did - > now they wear out more often than they snap in two! (see specs > here: http://www.greatstrings.com/11075.html) > > Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:14:37 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Calling Chuck- HELP ME -NJC Hey...Robin..." it is SHE was at your workshop"..but that is ok. And I'm sure he will get a hold of you. Bree >Chuck - if you are out there - i dont know you from Adam but i was told >by Bree to contact you about Dulcimers - he was at your workshop. I like >what he said you'd said -ie 'theres no right way to play a dulcimer' - >this sounds like my kind of instrument. Any advice on the right one to >get and how to get going with it. > >Robin > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:20:15 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: And yet another (njc) > Just received word last night that Chaunkee, an incredible guitarist > and longtime member of the Georgia Reunion was killed while riding on > his motorcycle. Victor, I'm so sorry to hear this. My heart goes out to you and to Chaunkee and to his family and friends. > Life seems so precious. That's because it is. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:20:49 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Best joni opening lines I was just listening to the MOI version of 'Cactus Tree' and remembered we were talking about great Joni song opening lines a few weeks a go. This one must be included! "There's a man who's been out sailing..." is just timeless and her voice is kind of velvety on this version and she is so confident (if you listen carefully she makes a little laugh after the audience reacts to the song). It will always be one of my favourite tracks. Though it is (I believe) one of her more simpler guitar works I think it is quite detailed. It conjures up all kinds of imagery. Beautiful. Steve NP: Amelia - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:26:51 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Not to be a bummer, but I really like this and it's been stuck in my head for years: "Let me speak let me spit out my bitterness" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:31:49 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Love it too. Most of TI went right over my head until I heard that! Maybe it should have been the opening track. Another one of Joni's million verses songs. Her voice is great too. A few people have dubbed Joni's 90's music les testing/accomplished but I think her singing and the chords follow a very unpredictable pattern. Steve NP: A Strange Boy - Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com To: StephenToogood Cc: Joni List Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Not to be a bummer, but I really like this and it's been stuck in my head for years: "Let me speak let me spit out my bitterness" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:37:48 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern star." And I said "Constantly in the darkness...where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar." David listening to Steve Winwood's new album "About Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:42:12 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines Definitely and I also love those closing chords on the Dulcimer. Sounds very original. Steve NP: Song For Sharon - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rahall" To: "joni" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Best joni opening lines > Just before our love got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern > star." And I said "Constantly in the darkness...where's that at? If you > want me I'll be in the bar." > > David > > listening to Steve Winwood's new album "About Time" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:05:33 -0400 From: Lori_Fye/Washington/CRESA_Partners@cresapartners.com Subject: Internet Radio (NJC) Don't know if anyone has posted this link before, but it's a useful tool in finding live audio stream radio. http://www.radio-locator.com/ Lori NP: KFOG from San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I got a huge chunk of deja vu reading this, > Catherine! Does anyone else have > a strange feeling that this discussion has happened > before?? No, but that maybe it should have. It reminds me of the time my three sisters and I decided to go away together for a weekend. This was just a bit under a year after my Mum died. So the four of us went and stayed in a trailor-home that one of my sisters' inlaws have up near Goderich Ontario. We danced around issues all weekend, then on the last day we were there, started drinking up all the beer we had, playing cards, and then we finally opened up to one another. How pathetic that we had to get half-pissed to do that. And then we drove home and how we managed in our semi-inebriated state I have no idea. Oh yeah, and when I got home, my husband, now my ex, thank God, was angry that we were home later than he thought we would be, not that we had given him a time by which we would get back, and that he had had to deal with the kids all weekend (they're his kids too but sometimes you wouldn't know it) - and he told me he wished I had been killed in a car crash on the way back. And if that isn't love, then what is? Get it while you can. Sorry for the rant - it was that deja vu thing, coupled with the "shoulda woulda coulda" thing that brought that one. Thanks for listening. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:20:49 -0500 From: patti haskins Subject: Re: Melissa Manchester - and another MM(njc) I have to come out of lurkdom to reveal that Maureen McGovern used to sing at my church, St. Luke's, in Boardman, Ohio. Her sister Patti and I graduated from Boardman High School together. Maureen graduated from there and one of the English teachers when I was there ended up working with here, Ron Baron. And I love Melissa, have seen her live three times. Patti in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:24:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) --- Emiliano wrote: > Dear Catherine and friends: > Let me tell you I found this thread of extremely > high interest. Merit is to > Jim Lama, "el-hombre-dios", who managed to pull out > very positive things > from the sad news. Yes, Jim brought up something that should be discussed. People don't talk about that stuff enough. It needs to come out so you can get on with the rest of your life. By the way, Emiliano, you strike me as a very happy person and it's great to have you on board. And, > first of all, I *love* > your new sign, Catherine: that > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- > > We all live so close to that line, and so far from > satisfaction > > > is soooooo appropiate! Well, it was after reading about Andrea that I thought of it and it comes right after "A woman I knew just drowned herself/ the well was deep and muddy/ she was just shaking off futility/ or punishing somebody" and I thought it was definitely appropriate; however, I'm hoping to be able to sing a happier tune before too much time has passed, as it's difficult and unhealthy to stay down too long. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:26:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: First time poster --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: I also very much > appreciated your comment about her > use of the word "tilt" in EATK, I agree that Joni > always chooses her words > very carefully, and she's not afraid to change them > over time either which is > very cool. Every time I see EATK, I think of "Let them..." C. Acronymophobe. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:37:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Azeem, that "strange feeling" is one of the > tell-tale signs of low blood caffeine! > Nicely done! SWL (snorting with laughter - such a pretty sight!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:27:16 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: VLJC tech question I believe Mac users can all record onto a hard drive. Just go to Radio Shack for a cable to go from your CD player (RCA jacks out) into the Mac's sound-in jack (mini-stereo jack). If you have a PC, you would use the same cable but you'd need a piece of software. I bought a very simple sound recorder for the PC called "TotalRecorder". I downloaded it from the company's website and paid by credit card. It was about 20 US Dollars. For that, I have a liscence and about once per year, I get a free upgrade to the new version. I don't know how that's possible but that's the deal. So, I open TotalRecorder, point it at the sound card, set levels, and tell it to record into the format of my choice: mp3 or wav. I think the "RealPlayer" people have something similar for about 3x more money. After that, I assume that your burner software will be able to burn a CD from one of those formats. If you have a friend with an outboard CD burner that attaches to the stereo, things are easier. Just hook it into the DVD player instead of the stereo and burn. Best of luck. Lama ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #445 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)