From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #444 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 444 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- First time poster [Melissa ] Re: newbie ["Timothy Foldoe" ] Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) [Catherine ] Re: First time poster [Catherine McKay ] What works for Depression, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: What works for Depression, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: What works for Depression, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: First time poster [Emiliano ] Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) [Emiliano ] Re: First time poster [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni & Johnny [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Depression (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: mama cass television program [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] And yet another (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: joni on the boards ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Depression (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] metamorphosis and depression ["robin mortlock" ] Dulcimer? ["robin mortlock" ] Re: Alien in slammer NJC [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: First time poster (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Depression NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni Tribute Album ["Larry D." ] this just in ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Yes in concert and old age! ["anon anon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:45:37 +1000 From: Melissa Subject: First time poster While I have been receiving the 3Joni Only2 list for about a year now, this is my first post. The posts of the other newbies have prompted me to do likewise. For what it9s worth, I thought I9d share with you how I discovered Joni. I gave Joni a go for the first time in 1997 after becoming disenchanted with contemporary music offerings. After dabbling with an eclectic range of artists (including Ella Fitzgerald, Judy Garland, Lou Reed, Dusty Springfield, Janis, Dinah Washington, Talking Heads, Bette Midler and assorted opera divas) I bought 3Hits2 from a major chain store. From the moment I heard the first chords of 3Urge for Going2 (Track No.1) I was hooked. The lyrics sold me. As a first time listener, who could not be affected by hearing: I am not some stone commission Like a statue in a park I am flesh and blood and vision I am howling in the dark Such forceful sentiments! I was satisfied with playing the 3Hits2 compilation for more than 12 months. It is ALL I played - in the car, at the office, at home. My head was spinning with Joni phrases. I9d subconsciously drop Joni phrases into conversations. Things like 3They won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream some of us had2 went down a treat at dinner parties! But it became worse than that. I soon started having real-life Joni experiences! Get this - during the 12 manic months of my 3Hits2 obsession, I was fortunate enough to have lived through the following Joni experience: I feel your leg under the table Leaning into mine I feel renewed I feel disabled By these bonfires in my spine To be obsessed by Joni9s use of language and then to actually live through my own 3incendiary2 moment was synchronicity in action! Bliss! Luxury! I thought it was unhealthy to love a CD so much, so I decided to lash out on an album. As so many of my faves from Hits came from Blue, this was my first choice. Imagine my delight when I found that there wasn9t a dud track on the album. Sure - I love some tracks more than others, but they are all terrific in their own right. Learning more about Joni has only increased my appreciation of her talents. I initially thought that 3Little Green2 was just a pretty song. Now I can9t listen to it without choking up. 3So you sign all the papers in the family name. You're sad and you're sorry but you're not ashamed2 is so sad - yet in a strange way it is uplifting and sort of comforting to know that that there is no shame - sadness and sorrow, yes, but no shame. What a gal! I followed up Blue with LOTC, then Misses, C&S, THOSL, Hejira, FTR and TTT. I recently purchased Shadows and Light, and I9m expecting my delivery of Miles of Aisles and Night Ride Home any day now. Joni9s lyrics still get me. It9s not just the strong message of her songs, but Joni9s choice of particular words that speak to me so much. For example, in 3Edith and the Kingpin2 the words used are 3He TILTS their tired faces Gently to the spoon2. Joni9s choice of 3tilts2 in favour of 3turns2 gets me every time. Tilt implies a more deliberate act that turn, so the message of the song is conveyed more powerfully to us. Anyway, just my theory. I9m from Australia, so I loved the recent posts from the Tasmanian Devil terrorising the young shop assistant in the chain store! I feel his pain, because Joni material is not easy to come by - and I live in a larger State than Tassie. Anyway I thought I9d share my perspective with you all. Enough from me for now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:03:47 -0400 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: Re: newbie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KJHSF@aol.com=20 To: JFractal@msn.com=20 Cc: joni@smoe.org=20 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: newbie Welcome Welcome Welcome! Care to share with the group how you discovered Joni? We love hearing = those stories! You've stumbled upon a wonderful community of Joni fans, = so dive right in and post often! Ken=20 I discovered Joni about 15 years ago, when I first heard Big Yellow = Taxi. But until 5 years ago, I had no idea, she had such a great = collection of eclectic music. I'm a big fan of artists who sound great = in every style/genre they perform in. I love folk / ss, so of course my = first purchases were her first 6, but I also love her jazzy period. Pat = Metheny and Jaco are two of the best musicians ever. I have all 3 DVDs, = but I just bought S&L. The images are nice, but I wish I could see more = of the instruments playing. I appreciate Joni's artistic vision, but in = this case, it hides my main purpose for buying music concert DVDs. I = was less than a year old when she performed this concert. Also I = recently bought, "BS,N", which I love. I've always loved standards and = Joni adds a lot of depth. I disagree that her voice has changed for the = worse. It definitely has changed, and I love her high pitched california = and chelsea morning style, which she can't really do nemore, but I think = her "new voice" has plenty of great characteristics. =20 I ordered the Jonifest CD collection a little while ago, I haven't got = it yet, but I'm very much looking forward to it. Maybe I will see u = there. I'm not too far from the Catskills, and it's a great excuse to = enter that lovely area=20 I look forward to continue voicing my opinions on this forum, and = believe me, I'm VERY opinionated. Do you guys talk about other = musicians you like here? [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > "Mark or Travis" writes: > > > I've been on somewhat of a personal quest to find > out why I > > hit periods or low energy and lack of mental > acuity. > > > Mark or Travis, I just might have the solution for > you! > > I'm also 49 (or as I like to call it: 50 for people > in denial about turning 50 ... as in "hey, man, I'm > *only* 49; I'm still in my 40s!"), and I, too, have > periods of low energy and lack of mental acuity! So > I went to my doctor and I said "Doctor, doctor, Mr. > M.D., now, can you tell me what's ailin' me?" > > His answer was very surprising: low blood caffeine! ... > Try it yourself and see what a difference proper > caffeine levels can make in *your* life! > Fred! Good point. We're all just these big holding tanks for various chemical solutions that get pumped through our bodies by the blood stream. Sometimes the fluids and solutions get out of balance. If you never felt low, you probably wouldn't appreciate high when it came along. You've got to get everything into balance. If that includes adjusting the caffeine levels, so be it. It's early in the morning and I stayed up too late last night again. So before I look at my haggard face in the bathroom light, I gots to drink a good cup of Joe! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: First time poster --- Melissa wrote: > While I have been receiving the 3Joni Only2 list for > about a year now, this > is my first post. The posts of the other newbies > have prompted me to do > likewise. For what it9s worth, I thought I9d share > with you how I > discovered Joni. Melissa! Welcome to Joniland - that was a great first post, so I look forward to hearing more from you. You've also proved that it wasn't a mistake for Joni to do a "Hits" CD (apparently she didn't want to do it at first) because you've gone out and bought more. > The lyrics sold me. As a first time > listener, who could not be > affected by hearing: > > I am not some stone commission > Like a statue in a park > I am flesh and blood and vision > I am howling in the dark > She does have such wonderful lyrics, doesn't she? and what you've quote above is an excellent example. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:49:16 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: What works for Depression, njc Catherine wrote: > Here's some stuff that works for me, whether it > involves doing something, or just thinking about > something. > > Music - playing my guitar, singing, listening to > music. > > Listening to a lot of sad music (sad doesn't > necessarily equal depressing - it's catharsis) so I > can get good and blubbery and cry it out (cleans out > the eyes and sinuses at the same time. Bonus.) > > Looking at the sky. Cloudy sky, clear sky, starry sky. > Starry sky with clouds. Any kind of sky. I'm glad > there's a sky. Especially the night sky and especially > away from the light pollution of the city - who would > know there were so many stars? > > Inserting lame jokes in the middle of > chicken-soup-for- the-soul-type semi-serious diatribes > just to see if anyone notices (heh-heh-heh.) > > Wicked laughter. (heh-heh-heh-heh.) OK that's enough > heh-hehs and hyphens. > Hello Soul Sister, The above works for me too. I lost a friend last august and did a lot of sky watching (I saw his wicked grin in the clouds). Listened to Paul Mc Cartney in Dublin 03. Hearing all those Beatles songs made me cry it out. Also listening to Joni or the 1st record I ever purchased (blues --Boogie with Canned Heat). It always cheers me up. A good night sleep, sex if available (Hi Bob) and back to the grind. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:26:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What works for Depression, njc --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > A good > night sleep, sex if > available (Hi Bob) and back to the grind. > That's the problem with sex. It isn't always available, especially when you want it (sort of like cops!) Right now, I'd settle for a good night's sleep because I've been staying up after midnight, waking up at 4 a.m. then dropping off to sleep again about five minutes before the alarm goes off at 6:10; and dammit, it's dark now at that time! Heading off late to work because I have a meeting at my end of town & didn't have to leave so early today. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: RE: Depression NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: when you are depressed, the way some of us are and have been since childhood, you plan your suicide and wait. or when you are depressed, the way some of us are and have been since childhood (or early adulthood when it often manifests) - maybe you recognize that you are part of a long legacy of depressives in your family and you decide that there are options open to you that you parent(s) or grandparent(s) did not have. And you constantly remind yourself that the way you see the world and your part in it when you are depressed does not necessarily represent the truth, but just your truth in that moment, and maybe you don't want to make any decisions that you can't go back on. And you say to yourself - "if I was diabetic or pre-diabetic - whether I inherited the condition or it was a manifestation of lifestyle habits or a poor environment - I would treat *that* right?. I may need to change my diet and exercise or I may need to take insulin for the rest of my life. But I would treat it, wouldn't I? (If I was lucky enough to live in a country where that was possible and I had insurance/money to do so)" and when you feel that tremendous sense of relief and slight elation you feel knowing you have a plan for taking your life, you ask yourself, "is there anything ANYTHING at all that I can imagine that gives me that same feeling that I could do instead of ending my life?" Maybe not. But maybe so. Maybe you feel that same sense of relief imagining yourself driving straight across the country nonstop or collapsing in the arms of a dear friend or walking to the top of a mountain. And if you (the universal "you") read this and say, "she obviously doesn't know what it's like to really be depressed", well then I would say that is your depression talking. love to all Jenny Wally Kairuz wrote: i never fight depression. depression is a symptom and as such it is a red light. it is just like fever: it is there to let you know that something deeper, more structural is not all right. if you suppress depression, you might miss the signal. if you're lucky, very lucky, you can improve what's radically wrong with you and your life. another reason why trying to fight depression is futile is that... well, you just CAN'T fight depression. when you're depressed your ability to put any kind of fight is gone. you can't even find a good reason to get out of bed, let alone to exercise or do anything physical. oh you can go through the motions, go to work, go to the gym, go to church, go to a party, but you are still depressed. no one knows or notices, but you are depressed. you may be enchanting everyone with your charming conversation and your incredible wit, but you may still be considering ways to put an end to your life and to your misery. you may stimulate your endorphins for a while, but depression will stay with you, maybe dormant, maybe as an aftertaste, on the lurk. i am very pleased to have found a way that i deal with to put an end to my life when the moment comes for that decision. i've been thinking about it for many years and the right way suddenly came to me in a movie, a very bad movie at that. i have told a friend and my sister what they have to do with my stuff and how to deal with the legal aspects if and when i kill myself. one thing's sure though and that is i won't be depressed the day i kill myself. depression robs you of all your energy and you need all your strength to kill yourself. suicide has to do with melancholy rather than with depression. you want out. you want out of history. you have come to the realization that you are part of a plan and a state of affairs (personal, political, public, whatever) where your opinion doesn't count anymore, where your only and last choice is to turn your life off. and you want to be able to protect and make that choice before it too is taken away from you. when you are blue or down, you run, you take a pill, you help your neighbor paint his kitchen. wally "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:59:04 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: What works for Depression, njc > > A good > > night sleep, sex if > > available (Hi Bob) and back to the grind. > > > > That's the problem with sex. It isn't always > available, especially when you want it (sort of like > cops!) Then one may not want to "use" a partner as an anti-depressant pill or a sleeping pill. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:00:15 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Depression (njc) Dear Mags, I believe you are correct in your thought about depression being anger turned inside out. It makes perfect sense. I was very angry for many years when my mother died from car crash injuries. It not only poisoned my body, it poisoned my soul. My body started shutting down from the grief. I had no emotions at all. That is a very scary place to be. Today, even though I hate the ups and downs, I always try to be grateful that I can still feel. But yes, anger in my life was and is very closely tied to depression. Mags, you also know that I am with you in spirit with the loss of your brother. I had no one to really talk to when I loss my mother and I truly feel that I would have been able to cope with things better if the lines of communication were more open. I am so proud of you and Bruce (and Victor) to continue to reach to us on the list even while suffering loss. Thank you for including us. Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:11:25 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) Gary, It's so good to see you on the list! I really thought about you when you moved to L.A. for a while. I also felt that some things I brought on myself, and some things were beyond my control. That's a good position to take because it helps you not bite off more than you can chew. It's important to deal with the things you can, and let go of the things that are beyond your control. I will think on that today. Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:12:34 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) In a message dated 05/09/2003 11:44:25 GMT Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: His answer was very surprising: low blood caffeine! >Try it yourself and see what a difference proper >caffeine levels can make in *your* life! > << [...] So before I look at my haggard face in the bathroom light, I gots to drink a good cup of Joe! >> I got a huge chunk of deja vu reading this, Catherine! Does anyone else have a strange feeling that this discussion has happened before?? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:16:02 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: newbie - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Timothy Foldoe" Para: ; "joni" Enviado: viernes, 05 de septiembre de 2003 12:03 Asunto: Re: newbie [...] > I look forward to continue voicing my opinions on this forum, and = > believe me, I'm VERY opinionated. Do you guys talk about other = > musicians you like here? Hi, Timothy! It's great to hear you, and your opinions will always be welcome! Of course we talk about other musicians, it's very interesting and useful discovering "new" stuff (and/or opinions on other musicians by other JMDLers) besides our SIQUOMB; only, don't you forget to include NJC tag in subject line if there's a post with no Joni content :-) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Byrds: He Was A Friend Of Mine, Amsterdam 7/7/70 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:16:29 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: First time poster Hi, Melissa! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Melissa" [...] I was satisfied with playing the "Hits" > compilation for more than 12 months. It is ALL I played - in the car, at > the office, at home. My head was spinning with Joni phrases. I'd > subconsciously drop Joni phrases into conversations. [...] > As so many of my faves from Hits came from Blue, this was my > first choice. Imagine my delight when I found that there wasn9t a dud track > on the album. Sure - I love some tracks more than others, but they are all > terrific in their own right. Learning more about Joni has only increased my > appreciation of her talents. I initially thought that 3Little Green2 was > just a pretty song. Now I can9t listen to it without choking up. 3So you > sign all the papers in the family name. You're sad and you're sorry but > you're not ashamed2 is so sad - yet in a strange way it is uplifting and > sort of comforting to know that that there is no shame - sadness and sorrow, > yes, but no shame. What a gal! > > I followed up Blue with LOTC, then Misses, C&S, THOSL, Hejira, FTR and TTT. > I recently purchased Shadows and Light, and I9m expecting my delivery of > Miles of Aisles and Night Ride Home any day now. > [...] Welcome, Melissa! Yours is a great post! I love reading about your *beautiful* obsession and your comments about that: sure there are *treasures* to enjoy. I know you'll love MOA and, specially (since there are "new" songs for you), NRH: it's such a marvelous album... I've discovered it only a few months ago. I bet you'll like that wonderful list: there are many many interesting posts by very talented people... and with a huge sense of humour, too! Have Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Flying Burrito Brothers: Cody, Cody, Amsterdam 11/28/70 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:17:20 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) Dear Catherine and friends: Let me tell you I found this thread of extremely high interest. Merit is to Jim Lama, "el-hombre-dios", who managed to pull out very positive things from the sad news. I've never feel depressed (well, since 1979 at least); and I'm managing to co-operate with my personal list of "things that make me happy", but I'm very slow in it. By now, let me quote one assertion that really made my life up: it's from Willy's "Wounded bird": "...and in the end remember it's with you you have to live" well, there's my 0'002 for today: I only like to tell you I found your posts very very moving, and I'm really enjoying it. And, first of all, I *love* your new sign, Catherine: that > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > is soooooo appropiate! Have a Wonderful time: Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Catherine McKay" Para: "Chris Marshall" ; "_JMDL" Enviado: viernes, 05 de septiembre de 2003 4:30 Asunto: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) [...] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Depression (njc) If there's one thing Ive learned through this Sherelle, it is essential to reach out and not be alone. The things Ive written are extremely personal and close to my heart, and some might think , wow this is way out of line for an email list about Joni Mitchell. The thing is, many of us know that this is much, much more than "just" that. That said, I did dream a very vivid dream about Joni. She was sitting with a group of us at a picnic table and we started singing Shadows and Light...and she got such a kick out of it and wanted us to keep singing it and she asked that we each sing a verse. Then I had a dream about being on a boat and we were out sailing for a long time, and then suddenly, we were turned back to the harbour because the captain realized he was going the wrong way. I looked up to see that the skyline was New York City. This dream reminded me of the time that my brother Dave and his best friend were out on Lake Ontario and something happened and they were stranded. Had it not been for a huge Laker coming by at the right time, I hate to think of what might have happened. Dave was lucky then. I remember my Dad racing off in the car to pick him up in Toronto somewhere. Funny the things that Im remembering now. I think that the way the world spins so fast now...it's sad that when death hits us smack in the core of our very being, we are left alone on that doorstep in the middle of the night, the cold wind blowing against us, chilling us to the bone. I dont want to be left alone. I know that there is nothing anyone can say or do. We are so ill prepared to know "what" to say...and Ive learned that it is as important, as helpful to say nothing, say everything in your silence, and just be there, if you can. Ive never felt anything like this in my entire life and god knows Ive had a lot of experiences that have challenged me.. Ive not been able to put down in words what I feel about Andrea. I did write to Bruce off list, right away. sometimes life feels like it is closing in on us all. Mags. Sherelle Smith wrote: Dear Mags, I believe you are correct in your thought about depression being anger turned inside out. It makes perfect sense. I was very angry for many years when my mother died from car crash injuries. It not only poisoned my body, it poisoned my soul. My body started shutting down from the grief. I had no emotions at all. That is a very scary place to be. Today, even though I hate the ups and downs, I always try to be grateful that I can still feel. But yes, anger in my life was and is very closely tied to depression. Mags, you also know that I am with you in spirit with the loss of your brother. I had no one to really talk to when I loss my mother and I truly feel that I would have been able to cope with things better if the lines of communication were more open. I am so proud of you and Bruce (and Victor) to continue to reach to us on the list even while suffering loss. Thank you for including us. Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:23:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: First time poster >I thought it was unhealthy to love a CD so much Hi Melissa, and thanks for the WONDERFUL intro...great stuff. I loved this statement, it made me laugh. I also very much appreciated your comment about her use of the word "tilt" in EATK, I agree that Joni always chooses her words very carefully, and she's not afraid to change them over time either which is very cool. I just noticed this AM that on the T'log version of "Richard" she sings "look at your eyes, they're two blue moons" and I thought that was a nice change. Not that I think "Richard" is a good choice for orchestration however...I think it loses some of its power in this setting as opposed to the starker piano version we get on Blue. But that's another discussion for another day. Welcome, and please lurk no longer, you have too much to say! :~) Bob NP: Steve Klink, "The Gallery" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:27:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & Johnny >Did you not notice that the CD version of this was one of your gifts at the >Jonifest (probably courtesy of Bob Muller). Just to clarify, this was a gift from Simon to all at Fest. These recordings have previously been available on the "Unplugged & Jamming, Volume 2" cd, I've made many a copy of that one, including one for Andrea about 2 weeks ago. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:29:30 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Depression (njc) There's a song by Melissa Manchester that I have sung to myself and to others through the years in which depression is not denied, and an affirmation of life is made, Here's my favorite part: I'm gonna laugh till it hurts And cry till you fill me Because I may never, never Pass this way no more And I will not apologize If we don't wear the same shoe size And try-try to be happy now... Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:29:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mama cass television program >I think it was a surprise to Bobby when she & Van came out on stage. >Joni muffed the lyrics and giggled at herself. It was highly amusing. Joni also sang (or joined the crowd in singing) "I Shall Be Released" during The Band's "Last Waltz" concert...I had forgotten about that. Bob NP: Steve Klink, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:37:41 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: And yet another (njc) Just received word last night that Chaunkee, an incredible guitarist and longtime member of the Georgia Reunion was killed while riding on his motorcycle. I had just seen him play this past Sunday and he was certainly on fire. My friend Heidi played keyboards at the beginning of the set. He was not a close friend but had a strong and rich aura about him...it is still somewhat of a shock. Life seems so precious. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:09:40 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Re: joni on the boards No - it was in an interview in Hot Press - an Irish music mag - around the time of Both Sides Now. She talked about her negativity to the music biz and also mentioned this play that she was going to write - about relationships. - The short film sounds interesting though - what was it about and called.? > >That may have been the short film she did around the time of WTRF. >It was never released. I would love to see it, I bet Joni's a good actress. > >Steve > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:15:03 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Depression (njc) Mags, I love your dream about Joni Mitchell hanging out with us at a picnic table. Shadows and Light is such a declaration of being able to see the world for what it is. It always helps me when I hear it or sing it. (singing it in my head now) I can see and hear us all pouring our hearts into the song in turns and sharing the beauty of that moment. Even in the depths of sadness, the mind always strives to find joy. It also helps us to identify our fears. When I have dreams like this, I try to zero in on the emotions that the dream is producing. Those are the unresolved conflicts or affirmations of life and joy my brain feels. the brain is a funny organ in that it needs joy, happiness and contentment to survive. It seems to tolerate and process, grief, sadness, anger and pain but only to get back to the joy, happiness and contentment. It has be rooted in the goodness of self-assurance in order to grow. I'm reminded of the movie Peter Seller's was in where he plays someone by the name of Chauncey Gardner, a very simple-minded man who's thoughts about gardening were taken to philosophic heights. It makes perfect sense though. If I think of my brain as a plant, and my emotions as well as my feelings towards myself as soil, I realize that these debilitating thoughts which come from depression could be likened to the soil a flower is planted in. Mags, I was once told that experiencing the death of a loved one is the physically and emotional equivalant to being hit by a Mack truck. Your mind and body goes into shock. It is very important that everyone experiencing loss give their minds and bodies a chance to recover a little bit. Slow down and don't try to tackle things "business as usual" . Business is not as usual right now. Allow yourself to grieve in whatever way feel s right for you. Everyone is different. The brain has been hit with a major information overload and needs time to be able to digest the concept of death-one of the biggest mysteries of life (at least to me). The anology of the brian as a plant being rooted in good soil sticks out to me and I will think about that today. Mags, keep wirting, keep sharing and keep loving. Sherelle >From: magsnbrei >To: Sherelle Smith >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Depression (njc) >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:21:14 -0700 (PDT) > >If there's one thing Ive learned through this Sherelle, it is essential to >reach out and not be alone. The things Ive written are extremely personal >and close to my heart, and some might think , wow this is way out of line >for an email list about Joni Mitchell. The thing is, many of us know that >this is much, much more than "just" that. That said, I did dream a very >vivid dream about Joni. She was sitting with a group of us at a picnic >table and we started singing Shadows and Light...and she got such a kick >out of it and wanted us to keep singing it and she asked that we each sing >a verse. > >Then I had a dream about being on a boat and we were out sailing for a long >time, and then suddenly, we were turned back to the harbour because the >captain realized he was going the wrong way. I looked up to see that the >skyline was New York City. > >This dream reminded me of the time that my brother Dave and his best friend >were out on Lake Ontario and something happened and they were stranded. Had >it not been for a huge Laker coming by at the right time, I hate to think >of what might have happened. Dave was lucky then. I remember my Dad racing >off in the car to pick him up in Toronto somewhere. Funny the things that >Im remembering now. > >I think that the way the world spins so fast now...it's sad that when death >hits us smack in the core of our very being, we are left alone on that >doorstep in the middle of the night, the cold wind blowing against us, >chilling us to the bone. > >I dont want to be left alone. I know that there is nothing anyone can say >or do. We are so ill prepared to know "what" to say...and Ive learned that >it is as important, as helpful to say nothing, say everything in your >silence, and just be there, if you can. > >Ive never felt anything like this in my entire life and god knows Ive had a >lot of experiences that have challenged me.. > >Ive not been able to put down in words what I feel about Andrea. I did >write to Bruce off list, right away. > >sometimes life feels like it is closing in on us all. > >Mags. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:25:18 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: metamorphosis and depression I have sent a post before about Metamorphosis - a healing technique which deals directly with the pre-natal state. Nine points are touched on the inside of the foot and this relates to us growing in the womb - the points begin at conception and end with birth. I have been using this technique for about three years now and depression has certainly been a feature in my life. The worst shape it took led to ideas of suicide, a face down in the dirt and no way out. Metamorphosis did change my approach to life - shortly after being introduced to it i felt incredibly centred but in a way i had never felt before. Now i still experience depressed emotions but i am able to stay with them and eventually 'morph' them. The basic philosophy of Metamorphosis is to stimulate the healer inside - anything else such as therapy, drugs, friends, etc. are from the outside and ultimately their effects are shortlived. The real work is what we do ourselves. Another strong feature with this technique is the lack of need for analysis - patterns of behaviour are 'morphed' and once through this there is a distinct feeling of release and change. The whole process uses life as the healing force and thus the whole being is affected. We are a blocked people and this technique seeks to bring awareness where it has never before existed. For more info go to www.metamorphosis_feet.com (there is an underscore between the two words) or contact me on robinjamesmortlock@hotmail.com Good luck, Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:29:10 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: newbie Welcome Tim! So glad to have you here, all your favorite songs are mine too! Hope you enjoy being a part of this little family as much I do! Keep practicing your guitar and have fun here in Joni-land. Donna from Texas >>> "Timothy Foldoe" 9/4/2003 3:54:05 PM >>> Hi everyone, this is Tim (23 yrs old) from southern New Jersey. This is my first post. I'm finally getting finished with my Joni collection, and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions of albums that Joni helped on (lyrically, and or vocal/guitar/piano), that are worthwhile? I have James Taylor's Mud Slide Slim, several Joni background vocals on there. On another note (Just to let everyone know me a little better), I think Clouds is a highly underrated album, as well as STAS. IMO they have some of the best lyrics and guitar work, of all her repertoire. BTW, my fav albums also include Blue and Hejira. My top ten song list (in no particular order) would probably be River, I Had a King, Circle Game, Chelsea Morning, Michael from Mountains, My Secret Place, Real Good For Free, Amelia, The Sire of Sorrow, and A Case of You. Also thankyou to the creators and volunteers for this site. Now I finally have all the lyrics in one word document! I started typing them in from my CD jackets, but now I just cut and paste from the site. Also the guitar section is great. I'm just learning how to play, and I love tab! This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:26:51 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Dulcimer? Does anyone out there own a dulcimer. I am seriously thinking of getting one - i have a guitar but cannot get to grips with it at all - for some reason i think the dulcimer will be for me. any ideas? Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:37:36 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Alien in slammer NJC Anyway, I was thinking . . . is the "news" getting weirder, or is it just me? And either way, should I be using drugs to cope? --Puzzled in Massachusett - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apparently the drugs you have been using are no longer effective. Up the dosage! xo Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 08:09:06 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: First time poster (NJC) Welcome, Melissa! Your first post ROCKED! I really love reading about how Joni's fans discover her and become hooked. Please write more soon!! Lori in Maryland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:10:33 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Depression NJC Jenny you have made some very good points. Simplistic? I don't think so! Sometimes when our car goes on the fritz..it's nothing major..sometimes it as simple as the car JUST being out of gas. (or just a belt that needs tightening) ANd sometimes... tomorrow just *might* be a brighter day. I think that everyone we cross paths with.. were put in front of us for a purpose. Something they can learn from you and you in turn learn something from them. The person who ends their life on Monday...DID not know who or what was in store for them on Tuesday. But again ..I understand that the person who contemplates suicide does it not so much to leave life.. just the pain and the abyss they are in. I've never seriously thought of suicide for myself...but I have been in the bottoms over a failed relationship and at the time never ever thinking I would find love or want to find love again. But just when I was least expecting it.... something beautiful and marvelous happened...I FOUND LOVE ..THE LOVE OF MY LIFE. I'm going of into a lot of directions here...sorry...so my point is...we just never know what tomorrow has in store for us. (we might just see the sunrise in a whole new light) Thanks Jim and Lori....not only is this an interesting topic...but so helpful too! Bree >And you say to yourself - "if I was diabetic or pre-diabetic - whether I >inherited the condition or it was a manifestation of lifestyle habits or a >poor environment - I would treat *that* right?. I may need to change my >diet and exercise or I may need to take insulin for the rest of my life. >But I would treat it, wouldn't I? (If I was lucky enough to live in a >country where that was possible and I had insurance/money to do so)" > >and when you feel that tremendous sense of relief and slight elation you >feel knowing you have a plan for taking your life, you ask yourself, "is >there anything ANYTHING at all that I can imagine that gives me that same >feeling that I could do instead of ending my life?" Maybe not. But maybe >so. Maybe you feel that same sense of relief imagining yourself driving >straight across the country nonstop or collapsing in the arms of a dear >friend or walking to the top of a mountain. > >And if you (the universal "you") read this and say, "she obviously doesn't >know what it's like to really be depressed", well then I would say that is >your depression talking. > >love to all >Jenny > >Wally Kairuz wrote: > >i never fight depression. depression is a symptom and as such it is a red >light. it is just like fever: it is there to let you know that something >deeper, more structural is not all right. if you suppress depression, you >might miss the signal. if you're lucky, very lucky, you can improve what's >radically wrong with you and your life. >another reason why trying to fight depression is futile is that... well, >you >just CAN'T fight depression. when you're depressed your ability to put any >kind of fight is gone. you can't even find a good reason to get out of bed, >let alone to exercise or do anything physical. oh you can go through the >motions, go to work, go to the gym, go to church, go to a party, but you >are >still depressed. no one knows or notices, but you are depressed. you may be >enchanting everyone with your charming conversation and your incredible >wit, >but you may still be considering ways to put an end to your life and to >your >misery. you may stimulate your endorphins for a while, but depression will >stay with you, maybe dormant, maybe as an aftertaste, on the lurk. >i am very pleased to have found a way that i deal with to put an end to my >life when the moment comes for that decision. i've been thinking about it >for many years and the right way suddenly came to me in a movie, a very bad >movie at that. i have told a friend and my sister what they have to do with >my stuff and how to deal with the legal aspects if and when i kill myself. >one thing's sure though and that is i won't be depressed the day i kill >myself. depression robs you of all your energy and you need all your >strength to kill yourself. >suicide has to do with melancholy rather than with depression. you want >out. >you want out of history. you have come to the realization that you are part >of a plan and a state of affairs (personal, political, public, whatever) >where your opinion doesn't count anymore, where your only and last choice >is >to turn your life off. and you want to be able to protect and make that >choice before it too is taken away from you. >when you are blue or down, you run, you take a pill, you help your neighbor >paint his kitchen. wally > > >"Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, > until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Joni Tribute Album I understand that the album is long finished, but is stuck in record-company limbo - the company that was to release the album is no more, and the master recording is sitting in the producer's safe deposit box. (This is no rumor, kids ... I am personally acquainted with said producer.) Low-down dirty shame. Larry D NP: Tanita Tikaram, Only the Ones We Love - ---------------- Well, this is interesting. I read this article because isn't Feldman & Assoc Joni's publicist? meaning this is a news release? So it has been four years since this Joni tribute was started... and what happened to it, I wonder? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:50:55 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: this just in .This note from today's Rolling Stone Daily: "Passion Play," a four CD JONI MITCHELL box set will be released this fall. I suppose that is the Geffen box - Passion Play is a good name.....hmmmmmmm. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:09:18 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Yes in concert and old age! >From: "ash" >Reply-To: "ash" >To: >Subject: Re: Yes in concert and old age! >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:35:50 +1000 > > More News on Yes in the UK > from a mate.......(sorry no mention of Joni) .... > > > Hi Ash > > Yup...Judi took me to see Yes at the Hammersmith Apollo for my 46th >birthday...argh!!. It was fantastic, an amazing nostalgia trip and god have >I >been on some of those lately!! > > It was almost the original line up and certainly the most well known by >Yes >fans...Jon Anderson, Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Andy White and Rick Wakeman! >Didn't really miss Bill Bruford or Tony Kaye. > > I couldn't believe that it was 28 years since Id last seen them at >Bingley >Hall! They were better than ever and Jon Anderson's voice seemed to had >mellowed....certainly didn't sound like he had his balls in a vice as >usual. >They all looked a little chunky ( but then don't we all these days) >although >Steve Hove looked like he'd been on traffic warden duty all day and Rick >was >still doing his Clairol Hair Bleaching Kit Advert. Andy White was as tight >on >the drums as ever and Chris Squire was just awesome when he walked on stage >to >perform The Ladder with a four necked bass!! Actually he looked more like >Arnie in Terminator! > > Anyway, it was bloody fantastic and a night I shall never forget. > > Most of the bands you mention I've seen and I always enjoyed Supertramp >despite the backing track stuff. I think the best gigs ever for me though >were >Queen at Wembley in 86, Genesis at Knebworth in 88 (i think), and Dire >Straits >at Woburn Abbey in 1990. > > PS: I've got loads of those black plastic 12 inch thingies too but I'll >never bung 'em. The sleeves are so much better than those bloody eyetests >they >put in with the silver frisbees! I LOVE Yes!!! I've seen them about 5 or 6 times in the last 10 years.I wish I saw them in theire prime,but they were still really great...I think it's a crime that they are hardly known at all by the younger generation... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #444 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)