From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #443 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 443 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: newbie ["Timothy Foldoe" ] Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #276 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: ALIEN IN SLAMMER -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] [none] ["Timothy Foldoe" ] Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 NJC [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: newbie [KJHSF@aol.com] Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) [FredNow@aol.co] Today's Library Links: September 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:03:10 -0400 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: Re: newbie ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Catherine McKay=20 To: Michael Paz ; Timothy Foldoe ; Joni Digest=20 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: Re: newbie --- Michael Paz wrote:=20 While many on the list will tell > you the VG-8 doesn't > sound as good as real acoustic guitars it beats the > hell out of re tuning > the guitar for every song.=20 I've been breaking a lot of guitar strings lately because of retuning (damn that Joni!) so I went in to buy guitar strings today and mentioned using alt tunings. The wiseguy that sold me my last guitar told me I really need another guitar - one tuned to standard and another to alt tunings. I mentioned that there were a whole bunch of different tunings i'd been using, but that, if I were to win the lottery, I might take his suggestion and maybe buy a dozen guitars or so. It was at that point that it occurred to me that the demon VG-8 might not be so terrible after all. (But it don't gots that acoustic vibe that I love so much!) I'm not familiar with the vg-8, but I'm guessing its an electric that = can be tuned via an amp processor. I too have broken a set tuning to = Chelsea Morning/ Both Sides, Now I think its an open E. But I got = electric guitar strings, all steel, I have a steel-string guitar, and = they tune rapidly without breaking, or so far anyway I think they have = more flex, which deadens the sound a little if you do a drop D or C, but = I like the sound and some recordings Joni's guitar sounds a little = deadened on the bottom, anyway.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Catherine=20 Toronto = - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ = Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) --- Deb Messling wrote: > I've suffered from severe, debilitating anxiety and > low (zero) > self-esteem. They called it depression, but I'm not > sure. It certainly > wasn't that kind of black, deep depression that > can't find hope or > happiness in anything. I thought I sucked, but I > didn't think the world > sucked. Is that depression? Helluva good question. That sounds more like my problem. I suck but nobody else does. And I also get anxieties about a lot of stuff, but not necessarily the stuff that you might expect. The anxieties come and go and change too, just to keep me guessing. I'm not afraid to go places alone - I've gone to concerts by myself because I really want to go and don't want to have to rely on another person. Most people seem to want to go to these things as a couple or in a group, but I don't care about stuff like that. But I will sometimes get overwhelmed by being in a new place, especially a large place, and have been known to just turn around and go home without anyone knowing I was ever there. I thought about studying journalism or radio and TV arts when I started university but you had to go for an interview and I chickened out of going (because I suck!) so I never did that. I wanted to take guitar lessons years before I ever actually took them, but I was supposed to go down and talk to one of the teachers about it... and I got all dizzy and overwhelmed about it, so turned around and ... went home! If I'm with large groups of people, I get all shaky, so I avoid parties and think of excuses and reasons why I can't go. And so on. > Tried antidepressants a couple of times, but they > didn't help, except one > particular drug increased my metabolism so much that > I could eat an entire > toll house pie and lose weight. Pretty cool! I demand to know the name of that drug! I need it - now! > Therapy didn't help. I tried thirteen therapists, so > I think I gave it a > fair shake. I think therapy actually hurt, by > keeping me in bondage to > this idea of illness. I tend to agree with you here. They want you to keep coming back (obviously - they want your money!) but so many of them aren't very helpful in my opinion. There are good ones, I guess, but you have to find one that suits you, and that's not easy. Plus it costs! I find it's better to talk to other people that get this stuff, if you're lucky enough to find them. Really, most of us can find our own solutions to these things and just talking about it - whether it's face-to-face, or by e-mail - is a big help. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:08:45 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #276 In a message dated 9/3/03 3:01:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > PassScribe@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:10:46 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Andrea I'm very saddened to hear the news about Andrea. My heart goes out to her family and friends. Recently, I posted a message regarding the songs on CMIARS, and I mentioned that I liked "Lakota." Andrea e-mailed me back privately for the first (and sadly, the last) time and told me how much she also liked "Lakota." At work last Tuesday (before I learned of her death), I was playing CMIARS on my cd player, and when "Lakota" came on, I immediately thought of Andrea's e-mail. Now everytime I hear "Lakota," I will always think of her. This has been such an awful week. A co-worker died Tuesday night (she was only 54), and a friend's father died this morning... and now I hear about Andrea. I wish I could have gotten to know her better. But I also realize that there is nothing any person could have done to save her. My own father committed suicide this same month 9 years ago. I was having a meeting with my son's school teachers at the time. 'If only I'...... this is a never ending thought. He had been very sick for a few years after being layed-off, but then he started getting better. I later learned in a survivors support group that the risk for suicide (for some) is actually greater after a person gets better, because the person can actually think clearer in order to plan it. He really was a good and caring father, and I'm so grateful for the time I did have with him. I sometimes think his troubles were that he cared too much. I am comforted knowing that he is now at peace. I think the idea of having a memorial for Andrea on the website is an excellent idea! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:11:19 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #276 The Joni content is comprised of her on three different shows; on the first, she sings "The Gallery" and plays guitar (of course) and then sings a duet with Cash (old tune that's been remade recently but I don't know the title offhand.) On the second segment, she sings "Clouds" and plays guitar, then sings another duet with Cash. On the final segment, she plays the dulcimer and sings "California"; then plays piano & sings "My Old Ken, Did you not notice that the CD version of this was one of your gifts at the Jonifest (probably courtesy of Bob Muller). But the DVD sounds interesting (though most of us have seen the video footage of the Both Sides Now one) Bob Sart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ALIEN IN SLAMMER -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > I was at the local drugstore tonight when I saw this > headline on one of the > tabloids, "News of the World," I think: > > ALIEN IN SLAMMER AFTER FIST FIGHT WITH BILL . . . > *OVER HILLARY* ..... > > Anyway, I was thinking . . . is the "news" getting > weirder, or is it just me? > And either way, should I be using drugs to cope? > > --Puzzled in Massachusetts Dear P in M: The answer to your puzzlement is very clear. No drugs are required. Just take two tabloids and call me in the morning! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:19:30 -0400 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: [none] I was wondering if any of the tabbers have ever used PowerTab. It can be = found here www.power-tab.net, and a bunch of finished tabs can be found = at www.powertabs.net Unfortunately there are virtually no Joni's to be = found in this format - very little singer-songwriter stuff at all, = mostly classic rock, alternative and heavy metal But the avantages with = this program is you can hear the notes as you read them , you can use = any tuning you want, capos offsets, vibratos, just about everything you = see on professional tab scores, as well as import guitar or any tracks = from MIDIs, and it will make tabs from them, unfortunately you still = need some work fixing them. Also it shows in music notation as well, = which makes it real easy to see timing. The best part is its 100% free=20 I'm working on several Joni's as well as CSNY and JT. If anybody else = is interested in converting some of the tabs into powertab format, I = think it would be a great addition to the site. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon7.gif] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 23:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Today I'm thinking that Joni's songs are sometimes > cathartic for depression > but even when they're not, they are descriptive of > depression. > > Many people have noted in the past that her songs > are often about > disappointment for example. > > Because of Joni's stories, I suspect that there is a > *LOT* of collected > wisdom on this list about depression. I'm going to > compile a list of "What > Works" from JMDLers. If you want to participate, > you can reply to this post > or send something privately to jlamadoo@fuse.net. Some people have already said that when you're really depressed, nothing works. Maybe that's true. So what you/we are really after is ways of warding it off - keeping the wolf from the door, so to speak. Before it even gets there. Before you even hear it howling. Here's some stuff that works for me, whether it involves doing something, or just thinking about something. Music - playing my guitar, singing, listening to music. Listening to a lot of sad music (sad doesn't necessarily equal depressing - it's catharsis) so I can get good and blubbery and cry it out (cleans out the eyes and sinuses at the same time. Bonus.) Listening to joyful music. Some of my all-time joyful music(s) are: Exultate, Jubilate by Mozart; Hungry Heart by Bruuuuuuccce (especially when played good and loud while driving, driving, driving, with the windows open); One more colour by Jane Siberry. And there are others that come and go. Walking my dog, esp. at night and esp. when the weather is cooler. The dog enjoys that more and so do I. Looking at the sky. Cloudy sky, clear sky, starry sky. Starry sky with clouds. Any kind of sky. I'm glad there's a sky. Especially the night sky and especially away from the light pollution of the city - who would know there were so many stars? Fall. Colour of autumn leaves. Smell of apples. Cool snap in the air. Waking up in the morning when it's a weekend so I wake up when I feel like it, instead of when it's still dark, and there's cool air coming in through the window but I'm wrapped up in warm blankets and the sun is dappling in and there's a cat or two curled up by my knees purring like a fiend. Hanging around with these freaks and these soldiers and these friends of mine in this jmdl tourist town. Doing a grande jettee en l'air and making a perfect landing. (heh-heh-heh - fooled ya!) Inserting lame jokes in the middle of chicken-soup-for- the-soul-type semi-serious diatribes just to see if anyone notices (heh-heh-heh.) Wicked laughter. (heh-heh-heh-heh.) OK that's enough heh-hehs and hyphens. Watching dumb comedy things with my son and laughing at stuff that probably isn't really that funny, but who cares? Listening to my daughter tell me stuff. That's pretty amazing. I never told my parents anything. What's up with that? Smell of fresh coffee. Sound of wind chimes. Sound of waves pounding. Mountains. Sea. (So why do I live in Toronto? Where are the mountains? We have a great lake but there's no salt-taste.) And so on... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:22:58 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Box Set Art Up On Amazon... That's really all there is to say...it looks nice...very earthy. - -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:35:54 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 NJC Dear Mags, I'm just so sorry to hear of your loss. When I was 9, my 7 year old brother (also named David, also a Taurus) died suddenly from a brain aneurism. He had a few headaches late in the summer of 1974, and died on September 19th that year. It is so hard to make sense of the swiftness with which our loved ones are gone. Life is precious...fleeting. Your post touched me so deeply, and please know that you are in my prayers. Thank you for taking the time to share some brief memories of your beloved brother with us. Always, Ken Harvey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:40:57 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: newbie Welcome Welcome Welcome! Care to share with the group how you discovered Joni? We love hearing those stories! You've stumbled upon a wonderful community of Joni fans, so dive right in and post often! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:28:36 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Do you suffer from low blood caffeine? Millions do! (njc) "Mark or Travis" writes: > I've been on somewhat of a personal quest to find out why I > hit periods or low energy and lack of mental acuity. Mark or Travis, I just might have the solution for you! I'm also 49 (or as I like to call it: 50 for people in denial about turning 50 ... as in "hey, man, I'm *only* 49; I'm still in my 40s!"), and I, too, have periods of low energy and lack of mental acuity! So I went to my doctor and I said "Doctor, doctor, Mr. M.D., now, can you tell me what's ailin' me?" His answer was very surprising: low blood caffeine! He said millions of folks suffer needlessly from this common but under-diagnosed condition! It turns out that not maintaining proper levels of caffeine in the blood can result in -- you guessed it! -- low energy and lack of mental acuity! Who knew? And he warned me not to drink decaf under *any* circumstances, saying "If you want decaf, drink water!" Since my diagnosis, I make sure my caffeine level is optimum by drinking eight large glasses of coffee every day! On days when I need that extra little boost, I drink another eight! Voil`! Problem solved! Try it yourself and see what a difference proper caffeine levels can make in *your* life! - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:02:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 5 On September 5 the following articles were published: 1994: "World Cafe Interview" - WXPN-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1079 2002: "Joni Mitchell orchestrates retrospective" - USA Today (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=907 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #443 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)