From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #441 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 441 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Re: Joni in Rolling Stone ["Kate Bennett" ] andrea (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Today's Library Links: September 4 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Scott and Jody" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Another silly list, but Joni's #1 at least [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] re: Joni in Rolling Stone ["c Karma" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Thanks ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] RE: Andrea ["Sherelle Smith" ] What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu"] joni on the boards ["robin mortlock" ] "Where some have found their paradise Other's just come to harm..." ["Raf] Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Depression NJC ["StephenToogood" ] newbie ["Timothy Foldoe" ] Re: mama cass television program [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: newbie [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:26:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC Re: Joni in Rolling Stone for those who no longer read rolling stone but are interested in a good music mag, i'd suggest performing songwriter...its much more music orientated than rs ever was... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:38:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: andrea (NJC) bruce, thank you so much for your sharing of some details of your friendship with andrea & of your mutual love of joni...that is really quite a special friendship that you shared for so many years with joni's music as an enduring connection... amelia is one of my favorite songs of joni's & now i will always think of andrea when i hear it... in one of our conversations andrea told me that mark knopfler was her favorite guitar player (as i'd mentioned he was mine) & asked for my recommendations for some of his later work... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: September 4 --- ljirvin@jmdl.com wrote: > On September 4 the following articles were > published: ... > 1999: "Joni Mitchell Keeps Busy" - S.L. Feldman & > Associates > (News Item) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=632 Well, this is interesting. I read this article because isn't Feldman & Assoc Joni's publicist? meaning this is a news release? So it has been four years since this Joni tribute was started... and what happened to it, I wonder? "Joni Mitchell Keeps Busy "S.L. Feldman & Associates September 4, 1999 "The Joni Mitchell Tribute Album is now finished and scheduled for release before the end of the year. Chaka Khan, Elvis Costello, Bjork, Etta James, Janet Jackson and others have recorded their favorite Joni songs for this long-overdue salute to one of the best songwriters of our generation. A complete track-listing should be available soon." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:10:55 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #277 I just read the posts about Andrea. We had just recently started e-mailing - -- I too live an hour and a half away from the JoniFest site. She talked about building up her Van Morrison collection. My sympathies to all of her friends. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:33:57 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Okay, "the gloves are off." Here's the thing, people. There are warning signs for depression. If you sleep "too much". If you "can't sleep". If you "feel down". If things that formerly seemed entertaining now seem "worthless". There are others. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003213.htm If some of these symptoms describe you, go to the doctor. There are many different "tools" to address depression right now. Ironically, it's a *good* time to be a depression patient! Don't take it lying down; you have to take action. Ask me how I know. With the right meds and several nights of good sleep, things will look completely different. Lama PS, [And you know there may be more]. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:59:41 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) I am so very sorry Bruce, family and friends about Andrea's passing. A wonderful, jmdler sent this to me not long ago and I'd like to share it. I hope you find the comfort and peace that I did. "I am standing upon the seashore. A ship at my side spreads her white sails to the morning breeze and starts for the blue ocean. She is an object of beauty and strength. I stand and watch her until at length she hangs like a speck of white cloud just where the sea and sky come to mingle with each other. Then someone at my side says, "There, she is gone!" "Gone where?" Gone from my sight. That is all. She is just as large in mast and hull and spar as she was when she left my side and she is just as able to bear her load of living freight to her destined port. Her diminished size is in me, not in her. And just at the moment when someone at my side says: "There she is gone!" there are other eyes watching her coming, and other voices ready to take up The glad shout: "Here she comes!" Henry Van Dyke Everyone, be well, jody - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Kimerer" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Andrea (NJC) > I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this > list. > > Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, > NY. > > I know that she had made some good friends here. > > She was my best friend. > > > Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:43:14 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Everything you wrote is true, Jim, but why are the gloves off? Have I missed a post? Andrea was a school psychologist (yes, a teacher of a sort), and she knew very well about the warning signs of depression. She KNEW she was depressed. There's much more to the story, of course -- some of which I know, and surely lots more that I don't know. Ultimately, though, Andrea's decision to take her life was HER decision. Regardless of law or religious "morality," she had the right to make that decision. This doesn't mitigate the frustration and anger I feel. Just this morning I was riding my bicycle the 8 miles to work in pouring rain, and at one point I yelled, "This feels GOOD!" because dammit, it did and does feel good to be alive. Then I yelled, "ANDREA!! This feels GOOD!!!" I can only hope she heard me. If she did, she probably rolled her eyes, and that's okay too. Lori, who takes Zoloft and Wellbutrin to manage her own depression > Okay, "the gloves are off." Here's the thing, people. There are > warning signs for depression. If you sleep "too much". If > you "can't sleep". If you "feel down". If things that formerly > seemed entertaining now seem "worthless". There are others. > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003213.htm > > If some of these symptoms describe you, go to the doctor. There are > many different "tools" to address depression right now. Ironically, > it's a *good* time to be a depression patient! Don't take it lying > down; you have to take action. Ask me how I know. With the right > meds and several nights of good sleep, things will look completely > different. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:54:17 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Another silly list, but Joni's #1 at least This one from CHART magazine, listing the top 50 Canadian albums. Lots of records here that even I, slut that I am, haven't heard of, but Blue came out on top and C&S makes the cut as well. Extry, extry, read all about it: http://www.chartattack.com/DAMN/2000/06/3001.cfm Bob NP: Wilco, "Ashes Of American Flags" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:55:10 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) > This doesn't mitigate the frustration and anger I feel. Just this > morning I was riding my bicycle the 8 miles to work in pouring rain, > and at one point I yelled, "This feels GOOD!" because dammit, it did > and does feel good to be alive. Then I yelled, "ANDREA!! This feels > GOOD!!!" Questions, Questions, Questions, flooding into the mind of the concerned young person today. Ah, but it's a great time to be alive ladies and gentlemen. And that's the theme of our program for tonight, "It's so FUCKING GREAT to be alive"! Is what the theme of our show is tonight, boys and girls. And I'm wanna tell ya, if there is anybody here who DOESN'T believe that it is FUCKING GREAT to be alive, I wish that they go now, because this show will only bring them down so much... ] from Frank Zappa "Call Any Vegetable" of off Just Another Band From LA Victor, who knows very well how depression feels NP: Neil Young "Expecting to Fly" live in Amsterdam 5/8/03 Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:06:22 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni in Rolling Stone They picked "All I Want" as the guitar reference tune. Pathetic. Music press like the music business is increasingly devoid of people who know anything about music. They'll put themselves out of business. One can only surmise that it's an attempt to lead the uninitiated to try "Blue." It DOES pose an interesting question, though: "What would be your choice for the track(s) that qualify Joni as one of the 100 greatest guitarists? Please limit yourself to one (discipliine, people!). Prove you can do what Rolling Stone can't. My choice, which I'm sure will change the second I hit the send button is,: "Overture/Cotton Avenue." CC "Breathtaking ignorance!" -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:12:28 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) > And I'm wanna tell ya, if there is anybody here who DOESN'T believe > that it is FUCKING GREAT to be alive, I wish that they go now, > because this show will only bring them down so much... ] > > from Frank Zappa "Call Any Vegetable" of off Just Another Band God Victor, I'm glad you qualified the origins of that because for a minute I thought you were dangerously pissed off!! Or ... maybe you are? : ) You also mentioned that you know very well how depression feels. Anyone else here? Raise your hand! Lori, who figures a bunch of Joni fans probably have massive amounts of depression in common too ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:15:20 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone > My choice, which I'm sure will change the second I hit the > send button is,: > "Overture/Cotton Avenue." That's the one I would pick for Jaco's best work with Joni. My fave Joni guitar playing would be... "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey" - I'm just a sucker for those chimes. Bob NP: Wilco, "Poor Places" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 08:32:31 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone Off the top of my head here, Passion Play, I love the harmonics SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > >My fave Joni guitar playing would be... >"The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey" - I'm just a sucker for those >chimes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:39:06 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Thanks <> BUSTED!!!!! welcome to the list, kamilla! stick around - it's a pretty cool group of folks. and jump in with both feet, okay? it's great to hear from the new guys on the block - new opinions and viewpoints are always appreciated!! we'd love to hear more about how you discovered joni, what albums you have, which songs you love, who else you listen to - all that good stuff. take care - cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:54:19 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 04:12 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > You also mentioned that you know very well how depression feels. > Anyone else here? Raise your hand! Yep. Only occasionally, sure, but I know how it feels. Usually mitigated by other things in my life providing escape, distraction or good reason to smile. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:56:43 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Andrea Dear Bruce and list, I am like so many others who are at a loss for words. Andrea was part of our family, our very special family and she is truly going to missed much like the other family members on this list that have left this earth. I think someone was mentioning the idea of a memorial to our departed list members on the site and I would love to see Andrea remembered in this way. I would like to know more about her because she mattered. I would like for her to live in my memory even though I didn't really know her. I want to share in the goodness that you knew about her. I'm so sorry for your loss and so sorry for our loss at the JMDL. Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:57:40 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) Today I'm thinking that Joni's songs are sometimes cathartic for depression but even when they're not, they are descriptive of depression. Many people have noted in the past that her songs are often about disappointment for example. Because of Joni's stories, I suspect that there is a *LOT* of collected wisdom on this list about depression. I'm going to compile a list of "What Works" from JMDLers. If you want to participate, you can reply to this post or send something privately to jlamadoo@fuse.net. Maybe Andrea's death can focus us on making a big list of coping skills that have worked to some degree or another for various JMDLers. For example, I have tried and rejected: * Talking to a therapist For now, these are working as long as I keep doing them all: * Keeping a journal * Keep growing as a professional * Anti-depressant drug(s) * Walking every day * Keep the hobbies going A year before the terrorists brought down the World Trade Center towers, Marcel said some of his keys to happiness (which you must admit is related to lack of depression!) are: * Be a realist * Don't sweat the small stuff * Keep growing. Never "retire" * Trust some sort of spiritual being. In response, on September 11, 2000, MG said he left out: * Love (as a verb). "For your children, it can be as simple as bedtime kisses and "I love you's." For co-workers, it can be as simple as mirroring back their bad day with your own serenity. For strangers, it can be as simple as letting the person in the market cut ahead of you at the check out line with a smile. For your friends and lovers, the possibilities are boundless." On the same day, Bruce Merril responded to Marcel with, "Happiness involves this combination of * being read to find happiness in what you have (instead of pining for what you don't) but also * not resolving to complacency. So you're both finding happiness and actively looking & struggling towards it. There's a paradox in there, that makes it difficult, I suspect. It seems like one JMDLer found happiness when he * left the dangers in London and moved to the county. (I won't speak for you but you know who you are!) What works for you? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:07:40 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: joni on the boards I read somewhere in an interview that Joni was going to write a play about relationships. Does anyone have any more news about this or did i dream this up. Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:57:24 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: "Where some have found their paradise Other's just come to harm..." I happened on Pat Metheny's website and reading through the Forum posts I found this one, posted by Bob Meyrick on December 1, 2002. I thought it's a beautiful insight about Travelogue: >>>>>>>>>>>Joni Mitchell - Travelogue I've been waiting for this one for a while. Joni's last album gave a hint of the possibilities with the re-arrangements of 'Both Sides Now' and 'Case of You'. I bought "Travelogue" yesterday, listened to both CDs (it's a double) and I'm stunned. Joni writes wonderful songs anyway, but Vince Mendoza has done a fantastic job with the arrangements - one example that springs to mind is on 'Refuge of the Roads', her original acoustic guitar figure is played by harps, and Jaco's basslines played by French horns. The material covers all of her career, and it's great to hear the old songs transformed, given a new twist. The players all shine - - Wayne Shorter's soprano embellishments are spot on as usual, Plas Johnson adds some gorgeous tenor and Kenny Wheeler adds his distinctive flugelhorn. You've also got Herbie, Larry Klein, Brian Blade, Chuck Berghofer, Paulinho DaCosta and Billy Preston as featured players. The orchestra are exemplary, too. As for Joni... her voice has acquired a richness, a depth of experience; it's aged like a fine wine. If I could only have one Joni Mitchell album, this would be it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raf, London. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay connected whilst on the move. Now you can get Hotmail sent directly to your mobile phone. Click here for details. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:54:43 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) I'd like to add the following to this very impressive list: * exercise, in general, done at least partially in the * sunlight * a gratitude list to refer to when the blackness blackness keeps dragging you down (personally, i write down 5 things that i'm grateful for every night before bed. it's helped me to look for opportunities to be grateful and to form a more "glass half full" attitude, as well as serving as a reminder of what's good when all seems bad.) * a diet of healthy foods (reducing sugars and watching carb intake and overly-processed food "junk calorie" intake, especially) * a close support group of friends or family (or a more traditional support group) to talk with, and that you trust enough to listen to (and then take action) if they say they're worried about you. * a willingness to call in professional help if things start feeling truly hopeless thank you, jim, for creating something positive from our loss. cindy |--------+-----------------------> | | "Lama, Jim | | | L'Hommedieu" | | | | | | Sent by: | | | owner-joni@jm| | | dl.com | | | | | | | | | 09/04/2003 | | | 11:57 AM | | | Please | | | respond to | | | "Lama, Jim | | | L'Hommedieu" | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "_JMDL" | | cc: | | Subject: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) | >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| Today I'm thinking that Joni's songs are sometimes cathartic for depression but even when they're not, they are descriptive of depression. Many people have noted in the past that her songs are often about disappointment for example. Because of Joni's stories, I suspect that there is a *LOT* of collected wisdom on this list about depression. I'm going to compile a list of "What Works" from JMDLers. If you want to participate, you can reply to this post or send something privately to jlamadoo@fuse.net. Maybe Andrea's death can focus us on making a big list of coping skills that have worked to some degree or another for various JMDLers. For example, I have tried and rejected: * Talking to a therapist For now, these are working as long as I keep doing them all: * Keeping a journal * Keep growing as a professional * Anti-depressant drug(s) * Walking every day * Keep the hobbies going A year before the terrorists brought down the World Trade Center towers, Marcel said some of his keys to happiness (which you must admit is related to lack of depression!) are: * Be a realist * Don't sweat the small stuff * Keep growing. Never "retire" * Trust some sort of spiritual being. In response, on September 11, 2000, MG said he left out: * Love (as a verb). "For your children, it can be as simple as bedtime kisses and "I love you's." For co-workers, it can be as simple as mirroring back their bad day with your own serenity. For strangers, it can be as simple as letting the person in the market cut ahead of you at the check out line with a smile. For your friends and lovers, the possibilities are boundless." On the same day, Bruce Merril responded to Marcel with, "Happiness involves this combination of * being read to find happiness in what you have (instead of pining for what you don't) but also * not resolving to complacency. So you're both finding happiness and actively looking & struggling towards it. There's a paradox in there, that makes it difficult, I suspect. It seems like one JMDLer found happiness when he * left the dangers in London and moved to the county. (I won't speak for you but you know who you are!) What works for you? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:37:53 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) I would add: - -Music: Like Jackson Browne says, "let the music keep our spirits high", like JT says "singing works just fine for me". - -Volunteer: If at the end of the day the world is a better place because you worked in a soup kitchen, or helped teach someone to read, or picked up litter off the highway, you know that you've made a difference, that it matters that you're here, and that there are a host of others out there who are much worse off than you - -When all else fails, it's hard to top some wild crazy sex with someone you love to chase depression away. I can't remember ever being really depressed after sex, unfortunately I can't remember the last time I had great sex which in itself is a little depressing! Bob NP: David Wilcox, "This Tattoo" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 Joni Mitchell brought me to this place over three years ago, and in this place I am ever so grateful to be a part of a kind, giving, caring community at the best of times and at the worst of times. It is with deep gratitude that I thank those of you who have reached out in so many ways to support us through this sad time. Your voices and multitude of kindness and generosity has helped more than my words could possibly express. I am writing to the whole list, with apologies to the Joni onlies...because I need to talk, in this moment, about something so difficult and incredibly impossible to believe, even now. It is with deep heartaching sadness that I share some more surrounding the death of my beloved brother who Dave we lost suddenly on Tuesday August 19th, 2003 at 12:41 p.m. as a result of a brain aneurism. A silent explosion. Like a mad man's gun shot cutting deep, searing into the flesh. he had headaches, but who doesnt? he had them checked out at the doctor...to the extent of an MRI and CT scan the week prior, however, there was nothing to see in either test result. A brain aneurism. I am told it is equivalent to turning off a light switch. In that split second moment, my sister tells me that Dave is gone. I keep asking myself, Gone where????? And now, over two weeks later, I still don't have the answer to that burning question. Ive been up to Canada for visitations and his funeral. I am back home now. and I feel lost. Now. I dont know what to do, now. I am suddenly immersed in this deafening silent place of reality . I have no idea how to do this. This is in fact much more difficult than I ever imagined. Dave was three years older than me. As children, we were the best of friends, getting into all kinds of mischief. We laughed and squealed with unabandoned joy at the very sanctuary of life we found in places like my Aunt Laura's farm and barn, or running a relay race together in Burlington Ontario and so many , many wonderful moments together. I am told early on that I must remember all of Dave, the good as well as the not so good....and as I reflect, I realize there really isnt much to be said on the negative end of things. oh yes, he was more than human and was the first to admit to that. At the funeral, the minister gave us some time at the end of the service to reflect upon Dave's life and what he means to us, and how he touched us . So many , many people. The minister gave us the framework, "Remember Dave", as an opening to all that we felt about him. This is some of what came to me in those precious and devastating moments prior to commending his body. He was 53 on his last birthday in May. My brother the Taurus. amen to that one. He was driven and he lived life with a passion, compassion, wisdom, forgiveness, acceptance, tolerance for everyone he met. He wore his great big heart on his sleeve for all the world to see. monarch butterflies red winged blackbirds meccano hand made candles in the most glorious rainbow colours an accident in a volkswagen beetle where we both miraculously survived it rolling over in a ditch an ever present twinkle in his eye, and feeling butterflies in my stomach because, at any given moment he was about to pull some wild prank. fireflies crickets bull frogs in the creek jumping into mounds of hay from the loft high above us in my aunt laura's barn cucumbers cycling getting his red bike as a hand me down running a running partner a master of duck on the cars in our highschool days, he was very much behind the scenes involved in anything and everything technical (dances, sound systems, lights for performances you would never find dave in the limelight, and always, always ever present like some effervescent light. tender sensitive caring loyal devoted reaching out to anyone and everyone in need. gave the shirt off his back, literally and figuratively played old timers hockey for ten years plus was a girls soccer coach and referee played cards with his life long friends for years son brother cousin husband father teacher mentor and above all else, my hero...because he rose above it all and made his mark in this world. he will be sadly and impossibly missed for ever and for always and in all ways. a piece of my entire being has been ripped away . I know his life and legacy lives on in each and every single person who knew Dave. I am truly blessed to call him my brother. i love you my davey baby you will always be the sunshine on my shoulders love eternal, Mags xo You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:01:06 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 Dearest Mags, You have been in my thoughts and prayers for weeks. You know how i feel, please please call me if you want or need to. love donna >>> magsnbrei@yahoo.com 9/4/2003 1:51:11 PM >>> Joni Mitchell brought me to this place over three years ago, and in this place I am ever so grateful to be a part of a kind, giving, caring community at the best of times and at the worst of times. It is with deep gratitude that I thank those of you who have reached out in so many ways to support us through this sad time. Your voices and multitude of kindness and generosity has helped more than my words could possibly express. I am writing to the whole list, with apologies to the Joni onlies...because I need to talk, in this moment, about something so difficult and incredibly impossible to believe, even now. It is with deep heartaching sadness that I share some more surrounding the death of my beloved brother who Dave we lost suddenly on Tuesday August 19th, 2003 at 12:41 p.m. as a result of a brain aneurism. A silent explosion. Like a mad man's gun shot cutting deep, searing into the flesh. he had headaches, but who doesnt? he had them checked out at the doctor...to the extent of an MRI and CT scan the week prior, however, there was nothing to see in either test result. A brain aneurism. I am told it is equivalent to turning off a light switch. In that split second moment, my sister tells me that Dave is gone. I keep asking myself, Gone where????? And now, over two weeks later, I still don't have the answer to that burning question. Ive been up to Canada for visitations and his funeral. I am back home now. and I feel lost. Now. I dont know what to do, now. I am suddenly immersed in this deafening silent place of reality . I have no idea how to do this. This is in fact much more difficult than I ever imagined. Dave was three years older than me. As children, we were the best of friends, getting into all kinds of mischief. We laughed and squealed with unabandoned joy at the very sanctuary of life we found in places like my Aunt Laura's farm and barn, or running a relay race together in Burlington Ontario and so many , many wonderful moments together. I am told early on that I must remember all of Dave, the good as well as the not so good....and as I reflect, I realize there really isnt much to be said on the negative end of things. oh yes, he was more than human and was the first to admit to that. At the funeral, the minister gave us some time at the end of the service to reflect upon Dave's life and what he means to us, and how he touched us . So many , many people. The minister gave us the framework, "Remember Dave", as an opening to all that we felt about him. This is some of what came to me in those precious and devastating moments prior to commending his body. He was 53 on his last birthday in May. My brother the Taurus. amen to that one. He was driven and he lived life with a passion, compassion, wisdom, forgiveness, acceptance, tolerance for everyone he met. He wore his great big heart on his sleeve for all the world to see. monarch butterflies red winged blackbirds meccano hand made candles in the most glorious rainbow colours an accident in a volkswagen beetle where we both miraculously survived it rolling over in a ditch an ever present twinkle in his eye, and feeling butterflies in my stomach because, at any given moment he was about to pull some wild prank. fireflies crickets bull frogs in the creek jumping into mounds of hay from the loft high above us in my aunt laura's barn cucumbers cycling getting his red bike as a hand me down running a running partner a master of duck on the cars in our highschool days, he was very much behind the scenes involved in anything and everything technical (dances, sound systems, lights for performances you would never find dave in the limelight, and always, always ever present like some effervescent light. tender sensitive caring loyal devoted reaching out to anyone and everyone in need. gave the shirt off his back, literally and figuratively played old timers hockey for ten years plus was a girls soccer coach and referee played cards with his life long friends for years son brother cousin husband father teacher mentor and above all else, my hero...because he rose above it all and made his mark in this world. he will be sadly and impossibly missed for ever and for always and in all ways. a piece of my entire being has been ripped away . I know his life and legacy lives on in each and every single person who knew Dave. I am truly blessed to call him my brother. i love you my davey baby you will always be the sunshine on my shoulders love eternal, Mags xo You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:11:29 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 Mags, what a beautiful post. I wish I had personally known your brother Dave, but from what you've just written, I feel as if I do. Love, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:48:16 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 NJC This must be extremely difficult for you. That was a really nice post. I am so sorry for your loss. Steve T - ----- Original Message ----- From: "magsnbrei" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: remember Dave tuesday afternoon august 19th 2003 > Joni Mitchell brought me to this place over three years ago, and in this place I am ever so grateful to be a part of a kind, giving, caring community at the best of times and at the worst of times. It is with deep gratitude that I thank those of you who have reached out in so many ways to support us through this sad time. Your voices and multitude of kindness and generosity has helped more than my words could possibly express. > > I am writing to the whole list, with apologies to the Joni onlies...because I need to talk, in this moment, about something so difficult and incredibly impossible to believe, even now. > > > It is with deep heartaching sadness that I share some more surrounding the death of my beloved brother who Dave we lost suddenly on Tuesday August 19th, 2003 at 12:41 p.m. as a result of a brain aneurism. > > A silent explosion. Like a mad man's gun shot cutting deep, searing into the flesh. > > he had headaches, but who doesnt? he had them checked out at the doctor...to the extent of an MRI and CT scan the week prior, however, there was nothing to see in either test result. > > > A brain aneurism. I am told it is equivalent to turning off a light switch. In that split second moment, my sister tells me that Dave is gone. I keep asking myself, Gone where????? And now, over two weeks later, I still don't have the answer to that burning question. > > Ive been up to Canada for visitations and his funeral. I am back home now. and I feel lost. Now. I dont know what to do, now. I am suddenly immersed in this deafening silent place of reality . I have no idea how to do this. This is in fact much more difficult than I ever imagined. > > Dave was three years older than me. As children, we were the best of friends, getting into all kinds of mischief. We laughed and squealed with unabandoned joy at the very sanctuary of life we found in places like my Aunt Laura's farm and barn, or running a relay race together in Burlington Ontario and so many , many wonderful moments together. > > I am told early on that I must remember all of Dave, the good as well as the not so good....and as I reflect, I realize there really isnt much to be said on the negative end of things. > > oh yes, he was more than human and was the first to admit to that. > > > At the funeral, the minister gave us some time at the end of the service to reflect upon Dave's life and what he means to us, and how he touched us . So many , many people. > > The minister gave us the framework, "Remember Dave", as an opening to all that we felt about him. This is some of what came to me in those precious and devastating moments prior to commending his body. > > He was 53 on his last birthday in May. My brother the Taurus. amen to that one. He was driven and he lived life with a passion, compassion, wisdom, forgiveness, acceptance, tolerance for everyone he met. He wore his great big heart on his sleeve for all the world to see. > > monarch butterflies > red winged blackbirds > meccano > hand made candles in the most glorious rainbow colours > an accident in a volkswagen beetle where we both miraculously survived it rolling over in a ditch > an ever present twinkle in his eye, and feeling butterflies in my stomach because, at any given moment he was about to pull some wild prank. > fireflies > crickets > bull frogs in the creek > jumping into mounds of hay from the loft high above us in my aunt laura's barn > cucumbers > cycling > getting his red bike as a hand me down > running > a running partner > a master of duck on the cars > in our highschool days, he was very much behind the scenes involved in anything and everything technical (dances, sound systems, lights for performances > you would never find dave in the limelight, and always, always ever present like some effervescent light. > tender > sensitive > caring > loyal > devoted > reaching out to anyone and everyone in need. > gave the shirt off his back, literally and figuratively > > played old timers hockey for ten years plus > was a girls soccer coach and referee > played cards with his life long friends for years > > son > brother > cousin > husband > father > > teacher > mentor > > and above all else, my hero...because he rose above it all and made his mark in this world. > > he will be sadly and impossibly missed for ever and for always and in all ways. > > a piece of my entire being has been ripped away . > > I know his life and legacy lives on in each and every single person who knew Dave. I am truly blessed to call him my brother. > > i love you my davey baby > you will always be the sunshine on my shoulders > > love eternal, > Mags > xo > > > > > > > > > > > > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 20:50:45 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: joni on the boards That may have been the short film she did around the time of WTRF. It was never released. I would love to see it, I bet Joni's a good actress. Steve NP: Datura - Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: "robin mortlock" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: joni on the boards > I read somewhere in an interview that Joni was going to write a play > about relationships. Does anyone have any more news about this or did i > dream this up. > > Robin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:00:40 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone This is similar to a discussion not so long a go...but now I can only choose one! Ok I'll do my best... 'Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire' This is one I whistle all day at work (I don't just do the happy tunes) and it gets on everyone's nerves so much because they don't know what it is. Steve NP: Spring Haze - Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: "c Karma" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: re: Joni in Rolling Stone > They picked "All I Want" as the guitar reference tune. Pathetic. Music > press like the music business is increasingly devoid of people who know > anything about music. They'll put themselves out of business. One can only > surmise that it's an attempt to lead the uninitiated to try "Blue." > > It DOES pose an interesting question, though: "What would be your choice for > the track(s) that qualify Joni as one of the 100 greatest guitarists? > Please limit yourself to one (discipliine, people!). Prove you can do what > Rolling Stone can't. > > My choice, which I'm sure will change the second I hit the send button is,: > "Overture/Cotton Avenue." > > CC > > "Breathtaking ignorance!" -- JM > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:07:55 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Depression NJC Okay me too. The worst thing I hate about depression is it really messes with your mind and slows you down. Things I find help most of the time: *Exercise* *Making a difference* (no matter how small) *Singing* *Chocolate* (no really) and most importantly *People who LOVE you* *Optimism and Hope* Steve NP: 1000 Oceans - Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: "Victor Johnson" ; Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) > > And I'm wanna tell ya, if there is anybody here who DOESN'T believe > > that it is FUCKING GREAT to be alive, I wish that they go now, > > because this show will only bring them down so much... ] > > > > from Frank Zappa "Call Any Vegetable" of off Just Another Band > > God Victor, I'm glad you qualified the origins of that because for a > minute I thought you were dangerously pissed off!! > > Or ... maybe you are? : ) > > You also mentioned that you know very well how depression feels. > Anyone else here? Raise your hand! > > Lori, > who figures a bunch of Joni fans probably have massive amounts of > depression in common too ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:54:05 -0400 From: "Timothy Foldoe" Subject: newbie Hi everyone, this is Tim (23 yrs old) from southern New Jersey. This is my first post. I'm finally getting finished with my Joni collection, and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions of albums that Joni helped on (lyrically, and or vocal/guitar/piano), that are worthwhile? I have James Taylor's Mud Slide Slim, several Joni background vocals on there. On another note (Just to let everyone know me a little better), I think Clouds is a highly underrated album, as well as STAS. IMO they have some of the best lyrics and guitar work, of all her repertoire. BTW, my fav albums also include Blue and Hejira. My top ten song list (in no particular order) would probably be River, I Had a King, Circle Game, Chelsea Morning, Michael from Mountains, My Secret Place, Real Good For Free, Amelia, The Sire of Sorrow, and A Case of You. Also thankyou to the creators and volunteers for this site. Now I finally have all the lyrics in one word document! I started typing them in from my CD jackets, but now I just cut and paste from the site. Also the guitar section is great. I'm just learning how to play, and I love tab! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:58:11 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mama cass television program > the best part is when all 3 do a nice version > of "i shall be released." > joni takes the third verse-- > (now yonder stands a man in this lonely crowd...) > does this count as a new joni cover? No, because she also did it with Van & Bob on her '98 tour. However, this one would be the FIRST time she did it, that I'm aware of anyway... That sounds like a cool video Walt, thanks for sharing the details. Bob NP: Lucinda Williams, "Changed The Locks" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:21:23 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: newbie > I was > wondering if anyone had suggestions of albums that Joni > helped on (lyrically, > and or vocal/guitar/piano), that are worthwhile? Hiya Tim, and welcome! The good news of your arrival is also welcome as this has been somewhat of a sad week here. Anyway, to answer your question, I would first refer you to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Lists/Contributions/ContributionsYear.htm Of that list, the stuff that I would recommend would be: Herbie Hancock's "Gershwin's World" with 2 nice Joni vocals on Summertime & The Man I Love; Kyle Eastwood's "From There To Here", Joni sings "Trouble Man" Brian Blade's "Perceptual", Joni provides a very moody haunting vocal on a track titled "Steadfast". This track far outshines anything on her 2 last releases, in my opinion of course. I also really like her 2 duets of "Dida" with Joan Baez. Thanks again for the intro, look forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP: Lucinda Williams, "Six Blocks Away" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:52:29 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: What works for Depression? Was Re: Andrea (NJC) My apologies, by the way, for not changing the subject on my post in reply to Lori's question about depression and who's felt it. Well done Jim for picking up that dropped ball of mine. And I forgot to add, to my list of things that help, *friends*. My personal danger area is falling head over heels for the wrong person, and not getting anything back. In the depths of that experience, which has only happened a few times (thank god), my friends are the people who remove the blinkers and remind me that there's a wider world out there, remind me of the good stuff I should be thinking about, and remind me of my duties to be *their* friend as well. The last point, in my personal case, is important: I sure I get selfish when down or depressed, and forget what I should be giving back out to the people around me. Final caveat: I have no idea whether what I've felt at these times is true depression or not. I still function, albeit in an out-of-focus, would-rather-be-in-bed, not-quite-concentrating- on-the-road sort of way. - --Chris "Anyone will tell you Just how hard it is to make and keep a friend Maybe they'll short sell you Or maybe it's you Judas in the end When you just can no longer pretend That you're getting what you need Or you're giving out anything for them to grow and feed on" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:18:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: Joni in Rolling Stone --- c Karma wrote: > It DOES pose an interesting question, though: "What > would be your choice for > the track(s) that qualify Joni as one of the 100 > greatest guitarists? > Please limit yourself to one (discipliine, people!). > Prove you can do what > Rolling Stone can't. > > My choice, which I'm sure will change the second I > hit the send button is,: > "Overture/Cotton Avenue." > You picked the same one I did, and I wasn't cheating. I had my answer ready before I saw the bottom of your e-mail. I love that one - for its guitar work and Joni's voice at its sexiest. That also qualifies, in my mind, for possibly Joni's happiest song - happy to be alive - get those dancin' shoes on! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #441 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)