From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #439 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 439 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc ["mike pritchard" ] Blue period [Zzutak@aol.com] Andrea NJC ["Ross, Les" ] joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) ["Paul Mepschen" ] Re: Andrea be at peace. [ash ] Re: Joni drawing [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Andrea (NJC) [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: [acousticharmonies] Album of the week - Ladies Of The Canyon [SCJoniG] Re: [acousticharmonies] Album of the week - Ladies Of TheCanyon ["Victor ] Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show [Emiliano ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Andrea (NJC) [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) ["kh012f5050" ] ANDREA (NJC) ["Gillian Apter" ] Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] was joni & johnny cash, now wildwood flower NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Thanks [Kamilla J Ludwig ] RE: Blue period ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni in Rolling Stone [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [dsk ] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] a gentle reminder - fundraising (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show [Catherine McKay ] RE: Blue period [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone [AzeemAK@aol.com] [acousticharmonies] Album of the week - Ladies of the Canyon [Emiliano ] Re: Joni in Rolling Stone ["Mark or Travis" ] andrea (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Fw: andrea ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: andrea (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Andrea - a permanent JMDL tribute ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Andrea - a permanent JMDL tribute [Catherine McKay ] Today in History: September 4 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:16:56 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc Wally asks: << bob, how come you know so much yiddish? >> I paid attention in schul. Bob I hope you didn't pay retail... Mike NP Van Morrison - Listen to the Lion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 03:38:55 EDT From: Zzutak@aol.com Subject: Blue period Howdy Lama (and friends), Thanks for responding, I appreciate it. It occurs to me that I was incorrect about owning all of Joni's releases, as I don't have the latest one yet. I know there's a version with fancy packaging available, right? So I'll hunt for one of those. I saw an interview on TV once where Bruce Springsteen mentioned how everybody felt let down by Elvis Presley for his weight gain and style of performance at the end of his career. He said that this was a mistake, as Elvis didn't owe his fans anything, he'd already accomplished so much. I pretty much agree with that sentiment. An artist's first obligation is to him/herself. And smoking cigarettes, however mystefying a habit in this day and age (quitting isn't miraculous, lots of people do it all the time), isn't as bad as some of the behavior that extended from the personal lives of some people to end their lives altogether (Hendrix being the most disheartening example... to me... due to the lost potential). On the other hand, it's hard to justify, say, taping off the last two thirds of a guitar neck (or the keys of a piano, etc), and playing with what's left, despite virtuosic skill and nuanced approach to an instrument. Sure, an accomplished artist (like Joni) can do wonderful things with what remains... but Picasso didn't paint blue paintings forever. It's only saddening when you listen to the earlier stuff, which is chillingly expansive and expressive. A bird with clipped wings can still fly, if not as high. That sounds more negative than I mean it to. I think, while it would be pretending for me to say that Joni hasn't compromised her art ... or the vocabulary available to express her art (even if to a degree)... it's still far more interesting to me to discover what she does with each new opus than what tools she uses to create it. We are indeed lucky that she still puts stuff out for public consumption, as she could quit any time and still be successful, considered a genius, etc. Current Joni is just different, which is fine. I like current Dylan, and late period Billie Holiday, which some people dismiss. Too late, too sleep deprived again... thanks again for sharing your thoughts on the topic! Pax, Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:15:17 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Andrea NJC As has been said, words are so inadequate at a time like this. My condolences to all who knew Andrea to whatever extent. My thoughts are with you, the ones she has left behind. To Andrea, who walked through the grey place, be at Peace forever. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:12:28 +0200 From: "Paul Mepschen" Subject: joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) Hi all -- allthough I'm really a lurker, I couldn't resist on this one. See, while I love Joni's early work and her mid-seventies work and her eighties work, it is only because of Turbulent Indigo (I am 27) that I really got it, you know. And I love her voice on that. its beautiful . Hissing, Hejira and Turbulent Indigo remain my favorite albums - so there you go, I like her voice the way it is now as I like it the way it was in the seventies. It's not spitting in the face of God at all. By the way - Joan Baez, who didn't smoke all her life has, has a stripped voice these days. These women are in their sixties, give them a break! I gave up smoking, by the way, three months ago and I am doing fine. When I was still smoking I remember justifying to myself : 'Joni is a smoker' - it's bohemian and countercultural you know. Later, Paul of the Netherlands - -------------------------------------- Land of snap decisions / Land of short attention spans / Nothing is savored / Long enough to really understand / In every culture in decline / The watchful ones among the slaves / Know all that's genuine will be / Scorned and conned and cast away --- joni mitchell: dog eat dog --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 06:47:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Victor's friend njc --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > I didn't mention it in my post last week but the > person who started the > boogie gathering I attended this Labor Day Weekend > died on August 9th from > natural causes. He was loved by many people and > definately was a major > inspiration to alot of people. His passing really > resonated through the > weekend as I found it very subdued and the usual > spark wasn't there. But > he did make me realize how precious life is and how > important it is to live > in the present and make the most out of being here. Victor, I'm really sorry to hear about your friend's passing. It sounds like he touched a lot of lives in a very positive way and that he will be deeply missed. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:05:29 +1000 From: ash Subject: Re: Andrea be at peace. I send this not to intrude. I would first like to say how shocked and saddened to hear of Andrea's death. And to extend my deepest sympathy to Bruce and Andrea's loved ones. I did not know the lady, but felt awful at this terrible news and thought rather than be a coward and not say anything..... I have lost great friends in England in the 1994 and 1996 thru siucide, my best friend and girlfriend, both I thought had everything in the world. The awfulness, when I was both times informed, still remains and self blame plays apart, even though these events were on the other side of the planet. The girlfriend, Sue, I have now contacted her brother, through a mutal freind after 9 years, as I needed to know after all these years, what occured. The brother did not want to talk on the internet as he was still grieving, but let me ramble on and most of my email to him was on all the good times, Sue and I had and how she had improved my life by just being Sue. Her brother thanked me for the thoughts in a one line email reply and last month, sent an email asking would I write to his (and Sue's) parents in London? about Sue as they would like to talk to me about her. I have been putting off, actual pen to paper, as I .....myself find it hard to understand...why? But one cannot ever truly understand what another person feels really. So all we are left with are memories and photos, which with Sue are pretty good, I can even hear her silly laugh! But I am sure that the people they leave behind, they don't mean to hurt? So we must really be thankful, that we have met the person and for the moments with them. and that we can only hope that a troubled person/spirit/soul has now found peace. Again I wish to express my heartfelt sadness at this tragic event and may be Bruce and family take some small comfort from the jmdl list at the LOVE out there for them in this time of saddness. I sit here heartbroken. Ash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:21:22 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni drawing [Unable to display image] Marianne said I should share this drawing with the list. So, here it is. Enjoy it! I liked the ones of ladies, Dr. Laura [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of mvc-017f.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 05:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) oh no. how awful. I don't know what to say. I know many on the list understand to some degree or another how she must have suffered to take such action. She has found peace...but a terrible terrible loss, nonetheless. Bruce, I'm so sorry you lost your best friend. Jenny Bruce Kimerer wrote: I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this list. Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, NY. I know that she had made some good friends here. She was my best friend. Bruce "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:39:16 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) > I gave up smoking, by the way, three months ago and I am doing fine. Congratulations Paul, and thanks for de-lurking. Hissing, Hejira, & TI...that's a powerful triple play! Please let your voice be heard more often. Bob NP: The Who, "Water" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:50:01 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: [acousticharmonies] Album of the week - Ladies Of The Canyon > To make clear about the covers, I guess you know this site: > www.jmdl\covers\index\html > Bob Muller is the man! Thanks Emiliano...but I think you got the site address mistaken: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/ And it's been a busy place...I recently passed the 1000 mark for different artists, and am working on these milestones now: BSN - 300 versions (currently at 290) BYT, Woodstock - 100 versions (currently at 92 & 90) 50 Volumes (currently working on #50!) As for LOTC covers, you're right in saying that it's a popular choice for Joni covers...all the songs have been done (except for The Arrangement, which is maybe my favorite track on the disc), and the final 3...Woodstock, BYT, Circle Game...are all pretty much standards in the world of covers. Bob NP: The Who, "I Don't Even Know Myself" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:56:32 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: [acousticharmonies] Album of the week - Ladies Of TheCanyon > BSN - 300 versions (currently at 290) > BYT, Woodstock - 100 versions (currently at 92 & 90) Ok Bob, I actually put #91 in an envelope and am going to mail it today..whoohoo!!! Victor, vowing to no longer procastinate Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:00:31 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show Hi, Kenny! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: miircoles, 03 de septiembre de 2003 4:19 Asunto: Joni on Johnny Cash Show [...] > The Joni content is comprised of her on three different shows; on the > first, she sings "The Gallery" and plays guitar (of course) and then sings a duet > with Cash (old tune that's been remade recently but I don't know the title > offhand.) According to my disc, "Unplugged & Jamming, vol. 2", this is I Still Miss Someone > On the second segment, she sings "Clouds" and plays guitar, then sings > another duet with Cash. that's Long Black Veil > On the final segment, she plays the dulcimer and > sings "California"; then plays piano & sings "My Old Man" before doing another > duel with Cash on "Girl From The North Country." > If, by some chance, this is news to anyone else but me, I'd be glad to > offer a VHS copy I've made of the complete DVD (for the cost of the tape and > postage) but I ask that anyone I send one to also offer to make copies for others > who might want one (if you have the capability), just in case I get inundated > with requests. Sorry, but I don't have the equipment to burn DVD's at this > time. And what about doing a copy on .mpg format that you could burn on a CD-R? [...] > Kenny B > P.S. Can someone tell me again what the difference is in subscribing to the > Joni Digest compared with the full site? Obviously, the digest often has "no > Joni content" but does the other site have MUCH more info? I think, if I understand correctly what you say, that the digest (complete, not Joni only) has the same content that is posted prior in individual e-mails: I get them both, (individual e-mails & digests), and they're the same (maybe I'm saying it correctly). Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Joni & Johnny: Long Black Veil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:02:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) > I wonder what Andrea's very favorite joni song was ? > Does anyone know? Well, I can tell you what her favorite Joni COVER was - Diana Krall's "A Case Of You"...she spoke of it often to me, and it's the reason it appears on my "Sweet 16 Take 2" disc. So those of you who have it, play it today in Andrea's honor & memory. Life is just so damn precious...last night I was playing tennis with my son, both of us running around & grunting & sweating & just celebrating life through this game, and the whole time I thought of Andrea and what a sense of frustration she must have been experiencing, surrounded by a community that obviously cared for her but still feeling so alone. Bob NP: The Who, "Heaven & Hell" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:44:58 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) Quoting Paul Mepschen : . By the way - Joan Baez, who didn't > smoke > all her life has, has a stripped voice these days. I'd take exception to this. Yes, Her voice is not as it was 40 years ago, but it is still lithe and clear for a woman her age. These women are in > their > sixties, give them a break! Judy Collins smoked for many years and was a drug and alcohol abuser. She quit, started eating healthy and running, and even today studies weekly with a vocal coach. I see her and Joan live often and neither of them, especially Judy, have shown much waer over the years. I suspect the real reason for Joni's voice is she actually likes what smoking has done. She often eschews her "helium" voice, and "madonna" voice, clear shots at her early influences, and praises the last years of Billie Holliday. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:07:10 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: > Life is just so damn precious...last night I was playing tennis > with my son, both of us running around & grunting & sweating & just > celebrating life through this game, and the whole time I thought of > Andrea and what a sense of frustration she must have been experiencing, > surrounded by a community that obviously cared for her but still > feeling so alone. Leave it to you Bob to express so well what can't be put into words. I had long suspected Andrea was experiencing some problems, but thankfully we made peace with each other just before Jonifest. She was to join us for a day there, but begged off. I wish she would have made it. Maybe we could have made her feel a bit better about things. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:10:50 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: joni's voice (spitting in the face of God?) > . By the way - Joan Baez, who didn't > > smoke > > all her life has, has a stripped voice these days. > > I'd take exception to this. Yes, Her voice is not as it was 40 years ago, but it is still lithe and clear > for a woman her age. I'd go further than that - Joan Baez's voice is better than it ever has been, because it's matured with age, deepened and broadened, and you no longer feel the need to worry for the glass in your windows. I have a tape of a BBC programme called 'Songwriter's Circle' with JB, Matraca Berg and Gretchen Peters, and she sounds fantastic. She closes with Diamonds and Rust and wipes the other two off the stage. Wonderful. > Judy Collins smoked for many years and was a drug and alcohol abuser. She quit, started eating > healthy and running, and even today studies weekly with a vocal coach. I see her and Joan live > often and neither of them, especially Judy, have shown much waer over the years. And I had the impression Judy Collins was pretty straight laced... I wonder why? Must be 'Amazing Grace' I suppose. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:30:05 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: ANDREA (NJC) Dear Bruce and list, Am extremely sorry to hear of your loss. I haven't written to the list for a long time, .. been lurking and reading most of the posts. Andrea's were always very interesting. She seemed like an incredibly honest and straightforward person. Much peace to her and to all her loved ones. Gill (in Madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:30:05 +0200 From: "Gillian Apter" Subject: ANDREA (NJC) Dear Bruce and list, Am extremely sorry to hear of your loss. I haven't written to the list for a long time, .. been lurking and reading most of the posts. Andrea's were always very interesting. She seemed like an incredibly honest and straightforward person. Much peace to her and to all her loved ones. Gill (in Madrid) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show Speaking of Johnny Cash, they reran an interview with hinm on Larry King Saturday night. He mentioned a party June had given for some people who had been on his show at their house. Among the guests were Bob Dylan, Graham Nash, Kris Kristoferson, and Joni, who he said sang Both Sides Now for everyone. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:15:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show Jerry writes: << Speaking of Johnny Cash >> And speaking of June Carter Cash, I read that her soon-to-be-posthumously-released CD will be titled "Wildwood Flower." Apparently a song called "Wildwood Flower" is a country music classic? I didn't know that, but now that I do it adds an extra little dimension to "(You Turn Me On) I'm a Radio" --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:17:41 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show Quoting Murphycopy@aol.com: > Jerry writes: > > << Speaking of Johnny Cash >> > > And speaking of June Carter Cash, I read that her > soon-to-be-posthumously-released CD will be titled "Wildwood Flower." > Apparently a song called "Wildwood > Flower" is a country music classic? I didn't know that, but now that I > do it > adds an extra little dimension to "(You Turn Me On) I'm a Radio" > > --Bob I used to play and sing this song on my autoharp. A real beauty of a song. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:31:43 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Glad to know this. Will do!! Bree > > I wonder what Andrea's very favorite joni song was ? > > Does anyone know? > >Well, I can tell you what her favorite Joni COVER was - Diana Krall's >"A Case Of You"...she spoke of it often to me, and it's the reason >it appears on my "Sweet 16 Take 2" disc. So those of you who have it, >play it today in Andrea's honor & memory. > >Life is just so damn precious...last night I was playing tennis >with my son, both of us running around & grunting & sweating & just >celebrating life through this game, and the whole time I thought of >Andrea and what a sense of frustration she must have been experiencing, >surrounded by a community that obviously cared for her but still >feeling so alone. > >Bob > >NP: The Who, "Heaven & Hell" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:26:55 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: was joni & johnny cash, now wildwood flower NJC just ask a country gal from 'bama! yeah. "wildwood flower" is a country/bluegrass instrumental classic, and is prominently featured in this film, http://www.dancingoutlaw.com/product.details.aspx?ProductID=84, a must-see. here's an mp3 - http://www.alpha-musicshop.de/5330180.html - and here's some info about its origins - http://www.guitarsite.com/discussion/messages/33021.shtml. cindy, removing her bob muller hat. ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:52:54 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Very sad to hear about Andrea, and surprised since she was so active on the list. I wish I had asked her what Henry McPug's favorite Joni Album is. My dog, Buster gets very annoyed whenever Song To A Seagull is playing and sometimes leaves the room in disgust. I think he prefers Travelogue. You won't be forgotten, Andrea. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:04:24 -0600 From: Kamilla J Ludwig Subject: Thanks Just wanted to say thanks for all the replies to my lyrics question! I guess I have to admit I don't have the Clouds album or I'd have recognized that little snippet of Chelsea Morning I heard, huh? Kamilla ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 15:47:45 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Blue period Just a couple of more details, Sean. There's only one version of Joni's latest release, "TRAVELOGUE". It's a 2-CD set in a slip-case. Inside is a hard-bound folder that holds the CDs, with many pages of new paintings. Many of them reflect post-911 imagery. In addition, the lyrics to all of the included songs are printed in a separate booklet. It's too nice to be available in this form forever. My opinion is it will either be cut from the catalog (and become her first CD that's not available) or, more likely, it will be re-released in a stripped-down version. Either way, I would NOT wait. She has 3 DVDs in current release too. 1. The brand-new "Joni Mitchell: Woman Of Heart And Mind" is a song-based documentary by PBS Executive Producer Susan Lacey. Rather than select a director for this project, she pulled rank and assigned herself. Obviously it's a labor of love which is completely appropriate for an artist of Joni's stature. 2. "Shadows and Light" is available officially in the USA on DVD for the first time. This concert (about 1980) was available on VHS in the US (with fewer songs), on LaserDisc (all of the songs) and later from Hong Kong on DVD (all of the songs). This edition sports a purple cover, which reflects Joni's current pallete and a fun collection of tour photos from long-time guitar tech / photographer Joel Bernstein. If I have my history down, Joel shot the covers of FOR THE ROSES, BLUE, and the skating shots on HEJIRA. 3. "Painting With Words and Music" (1998). This one was Joni and a band on a soundstage, doing many, many of her songs. She had some great people with her, as always and I believe she played the Parker Fly / VG-8 throughout. You get Brian Blade on drums and Joni dancing. You don't get Joni playing a Martin acoustic guitar, dulcimer, or grand piano. (I don't think she plays piano at all on that date. Maybe.) Lama From: Zzutak@aol.com [mailto:Zzutak@aol.com] Howdy Lama (and friends), Thanks for responding, I appreciate it. It occurs to me that I was incorrect about owning all of Joni's releases, as I don't have the latest one yet. I know there's a version with fancy packaging available, right? So I'll hunt for one of those. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:02:59 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni in Rolling Stone As previously mentioned, Joni and Joan Jett are the only females to make the cut in the "100 Best Guitarists of all-time" issue which I got yesterday. It justifies Joni's inclusion based on her myriad of alternate tunings, and rightfully so. What I found humorous though was that the "recommended track" to sample Joni's guitar prowess was "All I Want" from Blue which I believe is a dulcimer track. (sigh) I'm not sure why RS did this "100 best guitarist" thing anyway, as they just did it last year or so, and the guitar world hasn't changed a lot since then, though there were a couple of interesting inclusions...but for the most part it's just them trotting out Page, Clapton, Hendrix, etc. again. Bob NP: Wilco, "Pick Up The Change" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:18:28 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone (NJC) > I'm not sure why RS did this "100 best guitarist" thing anyway, > as they just did it last year or so, and the guitar world hasn't > changed a lot since then, though there were a couple of interesting > inclusions...but for the most part it's just them trotting out > Page, Clapton, Hendrix, etc. again. I'm not sure why RS continues to publish AT ALL. It's such a tired old rag. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:37:11 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Bruce, This is indeed terrible news. Shocking. I'm finding it hard to believe. As others did, Andrea and I exchanged emails a few different times. My favorite was her private response about something I'd written on list about Richard Thompson. It was her reaching out, along the lines of "glad we could agree on that..." and went from there. Based on what people are writing, it looks like she reached out to many people in positive ways, even though she was in pain herself. In a life that was much too short, that is an admirable legacy. Peace to you, Andrea, and to everyone whose life you've touched and who now mourn your passing. May happy memories help ease the sorrow. Debra Shea Bruce Kimerer wrote: > > I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this > list. ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:39:16 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone (NJC) > I'm not sure why RS continues to publish AT ALL. It's such > a tired old > rag. Still lots of great stuff in there, Lori...for one thing I get a LOT more news about new music than I get here. And they've had several good "forums" where they get a cross-section of politicos & journalists to discuss certain issues, those are always well-written and informative. Peter Travers is one of my favorite film critics, I typically ALWAYS agree with him. Sometimes they have too much fluff, but I can deal with that. Bob, fan of AOL, RS, & Lori! :~) NP: Wilco, "Too Far Apart" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: a gentle reminder - fundraising (njc) Oh boo - it's the end of summer... I just got back from almost a week on Cape Cod. For once, my sister and I actually spent time at the beach :-) Just looking at the calendar, I realize that the walk I'm doing for the National Ovarian Cancer Coalition is less than 2 weeks away, on Sept. 14. Many, many thanks to everyone who has contributed. If you want to, but haven't sent a donation yet, time is certainly flying by. Please send donations payable to National Ovarian Cancer Coaltion to me at: Anne Sandstrom 39 Brown Street Waltham MA 02453 USA Again, a MILLION thanks to everyone. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jerry writes: > > << Speaking of Johnny Cash >> > > And speaking of June Carter Cash, I read that her > soon-to-be-posthumously-released CD will be titled > "Wildwood Flower." Apparently a song called > "Wildwood > Flower" is a country music classic? I didn't know > that, but now that I do it > adds an extra little dimension to "(You Turn Me On) > I'm a Radio" > Yep, there is indeed such a song. Here you go (kinda purdy, ain't it?): Oh, I'll twine with my mingles and waving black hair With the roses so red and the lilies so fair And the myrtles so bright with emerald dew The pale and the leader and eyes look like blue. Oh, I'll dance, I will sing and my laugh shall be gay I will charm ev'ry heart, in his crown I will sway When I woke from my dreaming, idols were clay All portions of love then had all flown away. Oh, he taught me to love him and promised to love And to cherish me over all others above How my heart now is wond'ring misery can tell He's left me no warning, no words of farewell. Oh, he taught me to love him and called me his flow'r That was blooming to cheer him through life's dreary hour Oh, I'm longing to see him through life's dark hour He's gone and neglected this pale wildwood flower. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Blue period Sean, I'm wondering whether you're thinking of Both Sides Now? There was a special edition "hatbox/ candybox" version available (maybe it still is). From what I've seen of it, it's not worth the extra cash they were asking for. On the other hand, I would say "Travelogue" is definitely worth it. Even if you don't like the music (some don't), you get some pretty cool art. The entire package on this one is really tasteful and Jim's probably right about its not being around forever - so get it while ya can! --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Just a couple of more details, Sean. There's only > one version of Joni's > latest release, "TRAVELOGUE". It's a 2-CD set in a > slip-case. Inside is a > hard-bound folder that holds the CDs, with many > pages of new paintings. > Many of them reflect post-911 imagery. In addition, > the lyrics to all of > the included songs are printed in a separate > booklet. > > It's too nice to be available in this form forever. > My opinion is it will > either be cut from the catalog (and become her first > CD that's not > available) or, more likely, it will be re-released > in a stripped-down > version. Either way, I would NOT wait. > > From: Zzutak@aol.com [mailto:Zzutak@aol.com] > Howdy Lama (and friends), > Thanks for responding, I appreciate it. It occurs > to me that I was > incorrect about owning all of Joni's releases, as I > don't have the latest > one yet. I know there's a version with fancy > packaging available, right? So > I'll hunt for one of those. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:51:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > As previously mentioned, Joni and Joan Jett are the > only females > to make the cut in the "100 Best Guitarists of > all-time" issue > which I got yesterday. It justifies Joni's inclusion > based on her > myriad of alternate tunings, and rightfully so. What > I found > humorous though was that the "recommended track" to > sample Joni's > guitar prowess was "All I Want" from Blue which I > believe is a > dulcimer track. (sigh) > > I'm not sure why RS did this "100 best guitarist" > thing anyway, > as they just did it last year or so, and the guitar > world hasn't > changed a lot since then, though there were a couple > of interesting > inclusions...but for the most part it's just them > trotting out > Page, Clapton, Hendrix, etc. again. > Because nothing succeeds like excess? because we live in a land of short attention spans? and let's face it, these things are really biaised in favour of males (like that's news?) and as you pointed out, if they include a dulcimer piece as demonstrating guitar prowess, all I can say is, Hmph, what do they know? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:21:42 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone Well, the making of lists provides one of the cornerstones of any music mag (or film, for that matter), and the practice is inherently facile, no matter how much or little effort is made to dress up the list as meaningful for "definitive". That's not to say that they're not fun, of course, but let's face it, the world can probably pootle along without the lists. As to RS's guitarist pantheon, although I haven't seen it, from the names I've heard so far it sounds like another retread, trotting out the same old predictable names (like Top ten film lists which you just KNOW are going to have Citizen Kane at no. 1). Eric Clapton? Does nothing for me, gifted though he clearly is. Jeff Beck? Ditto. I'd rather listen to Robert Cray any day. And don't get me started on the real technocrats like Gary Moore, Steve Vai, etc etc. I'm almost tempted to say Joni would be better off not included (not that she doesn't deserve to be, I hasten to add), as being one of only two women makes the whole thing smack of tokenism, especially given that the other woman was Joan Jett, whose credentials I'm none too sure about. And as Catherine and others have pointed out, choosing "All I Want" as epitomising Joni's guitar playing borders on the perverse. I'd be surprised if this list were compiled by anything other than a group of middle aged men. For what it's worth, if someone forced me to compile such a hit parade, it would certainly include Bonnie Raitt and Shawn Colvin, and I'd be tempted to throw in a few curve balls like Polly Harvey, Jill Sobule and Wendy Melvoin. And what about poor old Emily Remler, died so young but reckoned by a few jazz connoisseurs to be a colossal talent? It's all bollocks innit?? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:22:52 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: [acousticharmonies] Album of the week - Ladies of the Canyon Hi, dears! May I forward these comments about LOTC some people are posting on acousticharmonies list? Many thanks. Peace & Love: Emiliano PS: Hi, Marco, are you there? I hope you don't mind :-) ................................ Martin Bobbe wrote: > > Ladies Of The Canyon is my fave Joni Mitchell album > by far. I never > tired of it and fell in love all over again when I > got me a CD copy > to replace the vinyl ( with had lots of free, > involuntary campfire > and surf noises from intensive playing ). IMO the > only song done > better by anyone else is Woodstock. I don't care > much for Joni's > version and have to go with Matthews' Southern > Comfort on that one. > > Peace, > Martin ................................ - --- Marco Zanzi wrote: > Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:55:26 -0000 > > One of the best ever album, IMHO. A true > masterpiece. > > I usually prefer the originals (Joni's versions), > but I really > enjoy(ed) the Byrds 1973 reunion 'For Free' version > and, more > obvious, the CNS&Y 'Woodstock' rendition. > > And 'Willy' is Graham Nash. > > Marco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:15:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni in Rolling Stone >It's all bollocks innit?? Yes, to be sure...it might also be that most of the staff is away on vacation, so they run something that takes up a lot of space and can be hammered out quickly, using file photographs, etc. There were a couple of nice surprises, as I said. I was glad that Vernon Reid made it, as did D.Boon of The Minutemen, and Jack White from The White Stripes who sure can get a lot of sound out of his guitar. As for the ladies, I'll second your nominees and add my Ani - she can tear it up. As for lists...well as you know we do them here often and they usually generate some interesting thoughts. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:40:17 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on Johnny Cash Show And, of course it was June's mother, Mother Maybelle Carter, who made the song famous. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Catherine McKay > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:03 PM > To: Murphycopy@aol.com; notaro@stpt.usf.edu; PassScribe@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni on Johnny Cash Show > > > --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jerry writes: > > > > << Speaking of Johnny Cash >> > > > > And speaking of June Carter Cash, I read that her > > soon-to-be-posthumously-released CD will be titled > > "Wildwood Flower." Apparently a song called > > "Wildwood > > Flower" is a country music classic? I didn't know > > that, but now that I do it > > adds an extra little dimension to "(You Turn Me On) > > I'm a Radio" > > > > Yep, there is indeed such a song. Here you go (kinda > purdy, ain't it?): > > Oh, I'll twine with my mingles and waving black hair > With the roses so red and the lilies so fair > And the myrtles so bright with emerald dew > The pale and the leader and eyes look like blue. > > Oh, I'll dance, I will sing and my laugh shall be gay > I will charm ev'ry heart, in his crown I will sway > When I woke from my dreaming, idols were clay > All portions of love then had all flown away. > > Oh, he taught me to love him and promised to love > And to cherish me over all others above > How my heart now is wond'ring misery can tell > He's left me no warning, no words of farewell. > > Oh, he taught me to love him and called me his flow'r > That was blooming to cheer him through life's dreary > hour > Oh, I'm longing to see him through life's dark hour > He's gone and neglected this pale wildwood flower. > > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:33:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni in Rolling Stone SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: What I found > humorous though was that the "recommended track" to sample Joni's > guitar prowess was "All I Want" from Blue which I believe is a > dulcimer track. (sigh) > Why doesn't this surprise me? You'd think they'd at least do enough research to know this. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 23:10:53 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: andrea (NJC) To everyone who has been so kind and caring in response to Andrea's death, I can't really express how overwhelmed I am. I intend to respond to each individually, but until then please know that I am very moved. I turned Andrea on to the list, I'm not sure how long ago. We grew up together with Joni. And I remember being teenagers in 1970 and 1971 and 1972 etc. and gossiping together about the ins and outs and ups and downs of Joni's personal life, of the men in and out of it and how that was all reflected in the songs. And then, later, by 1976, how Joni's tumultuous love life resembled our own first serious relationships as adults. When Hejira was released we were out of college and I was living in Brooklyn and she was living, I think, in Syracuse. From the moment I heard it, I associated Amelia with Andrea. Maybe it was the alliteration. Maybe it was the story. Regardless, that song is for me her song. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 20:15:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: andrea Bruce Kimerer wrote: > To everyone who has been so kind and caring in response to Andrea's > death, I can't really express how overwhelmed I am. I intend to > respond to each individually, but until then please know that I am > very moved. > > I turned Andrea on to the list, I'm not sure how long ago. We grew up > together with Joni. And I remember being teenagers in 1970 and 1971 > and 1972 etc. and gossiping together about the ins and outs and ups > and downs of Joni's personal life, of the men in and out of it and > how that was all reflected in the songs. And then, later, by 1976, > how Joni's tumultuous love life resembled our own first serious > relationships as adults. > > When Hejira was released we were out of college and I was living in > Brooklyn and she was living, I think, in Syracuse. From the moment I > heard it, I associated Amelia with Andrea. Maybe it was the > alliteration. Maybe it was the story. Regardless, that song is for me > her song. > > Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:16:24 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: andrea (NJC) > From the moment I heard it, I associated Amelia with Andrea. Maybe it > was the alliteration. Maybe it was the story. Regardless, that song > is for me her song. Bruce, that's incredibly, heartrendingly beautiful, and so fitting. Thank you for sharing this with all of us. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:29:10 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Andrea - a permanent JMDL tribute I hope you will forgive the omission of the N*JC tag. Since Mark has (wisely, I believe) forwarded Bruce's recent messages to the entire JMDL community, I would like to do the same with just this one post. I have been discussing with Bruce and Les the idea of adding a tribute to Andrea to the "In Memory" section of jmdl.com. I'm still searching my computers for a certain photo that Andrea sent me, one in which she was standing in her garden, but have come up empty-handed thus far. Has anyone other than me received a photo of Andrea? If you have, please contact me privately. Also, if any of you have favorite posts or phrases of Andrea's that you can recall and would like to include, please email the posts or links to me. If you need help locating them in the jmdl archives, I can assist you. Thanks to all. Peace, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:44:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Andrea - a permanent JMDL tribute --- Lori Fye wrote: > I > > Also, if any of you have favorite posts or phrases > of Andrea's that you > can recall and would like to include, please email > the posts or links > to me. If you need help locating them in the jmdl > archives, I can > assist you. > I think that's a lovely idea, Lori. I like that quote/link that you posted yesterday about njc and pugs and greyhounds but mostly pugs. That gave me a chuckle and when I read it, I remembered it. I think it was you that posted it. Unfortunately I usually delete my e-mails once I've read them. I can tell you that Andrea did e-mail me privately quite a few times to tell me that she liked one or another of my lame jokes. I used the word "snarky" in an e-mail just about a week ago and she e-mailed me privately to say how much she liked that word - she thought I had made it up, but I had to confess that I didn't. Unfortunately I didn't keep that e-mail either. And she also offered me many encouraging words about my divorce and any other troubles I whined about on-list. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 23:57:17 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Andrea I've just read the post in the last Digest about Andrea taking her own life. I feel I must write to this site on this subject if only to dispel any misconceptions anyone might have regarding Andrea and myself. As many of you know, there was a post to the effect that Andrea lived only about an hour and a half from Full Moon Resort but wasn't going to the JoniFest. I had posted a message around that time to the effect that I thought it was sad that someone would be so close to the site and not be going (believing, in my naive exuberance for the fest, that all Joni fans MUST want to go.) Andrea read my post, was quite upset over it and sent me a somewhat angry reply. I, in turn, apologized and explained my reasoning and wished her well as I understood at that time that she had some serious personal problems. In the month since JoniFest, Andrea and I corresponded several times; we each apologized for the misunderstanding ("All's forgiven, by the way.") and had several interesting chats through e-mail. I found out she was a teacher: "I am a school psychologist and have been in public education since 1974, a special ed teacher, an administrator, a principal and a school psychologist for the past 14 years." We discussed my son, who is also a teacher, and we exchanged views about the profession: I told her I had also taught some courses in Adult Ed (auto mechanics and photography) and that, looking back, I wish I could have been a musician and a (music) teacher as a career. In our recent exchanges, and in her recent posts to the JMDL site, I detected nothing troubling about her messages and I actually thought she was doing quite well. That's probably why I was so surprised to hear this disheartening news. She mentioned in one of her last posts that she really wanted a tee-shirt with the art from "Both Sides Now" on it in a "small" but couln't find one. I sent her an e-mail, on Monday, Sept. 1st, offering to make her one. I never received a reply... now I know why. I just wanted everyone to know thatbdespite a rocky beginning to our relationshipbI considered her a friend by the time I received this news and I'm deeply saddened to learn of her death. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:04:29 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Joni on Johnny Cash video To Doug in Ontario: I received your e-mail and would be happy to send you a tape of the Johnny Cash shows with Joni on them but when I tried e-mailing you, I received a notice that the mail was "undeliverable." Is there another e-mail address I can reach you at to go over the details? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:07:45 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Andrea Thanks for sharing more about Andrea, Kenny. I always read your posts to her regarding Jonifest as well-intentioned and regarded her reaction with understanding, too. It's interesting that she was a school psychologist - for some reason I thought she was an attorney. I thought she was a very perceptive person. I feel bad now that I did not correspond with her more - no reason not to other than I hardly write back to even my old close friends here half the time because of my own time and life limitations. I was also thinking today of her post about the small Joni t-shirt (which I have) and how I wish I could have sent it to her. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 02:05:29 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: September 4 1971: "Carey" debuts on the Billboard chart, lasting for one week and peaking at #93. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #439 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)