From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #437 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 2 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 437 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Does anybody know? [Nicole Wieser ] stas ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] SJC an mp3 people might be interested in [James Phillips ] Jackie Mason, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Underneath The Streetlight [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Tlog and the Geffen Box [w evans ] Re: Underneath The Streetlight [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Quiet but Hair-raising Joni Moment ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc [dsk ] Re: A Quiet but Hair-raising Joni Moment [] Re: Underneath The Streetlight [Emiliano ] Re: NJC - Did Jesus Have a Baby Sister? (Dory Previn) [Emiliano ] Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc [dsk ] re:Tlog and the Geffen Box ["J.David Sapp" ] RE: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc [dsk ] Re: Does anybody know? ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Does anybody know? [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Underneath The Streetlight ["StephenToogood" ] Andrea (NJC) [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Andrea (NJC) - something you all should know ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Does anybody know? [Deb Messling ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) - something you all should know [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Andrea (NJC) ["StephenToogood" ] mama cass television program ["walterphil" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] for Andrea (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: for Andrea (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] (NJC) Just a little more about Andrea ... ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Andrea (NJC) [Emiliano ] Re: spitting in the face of God? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Does anybody know? Hi! Somewhere in a paper I read that Joni is now pregnant, at the age of over 50. Is that true? Does anybody know? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:36:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: stas what a lovely memory! after all these years, once again i am captivated by this beautiful record... >I've liked Joni since childhood when my mom used to play "Songs To A Seagull" in the livingroom below our bedroom when my brother and I were going to sleep. I have all her albums and CDs, and "Seagull" will always be lodged deep in my subconscious as a result of those nascent listenings.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:36:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc bob, this is so funny! don't tell me you did jackie mason at the fest this year & i missed it?! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:05:48 -0500 From: James Phillips Subject: SJC an mp3 people might be interested in As some people may or may not know, the Supremes recorded a version of All I want for there 1972 album The Supremes produced and arranged by Jimmy Webb. I have a version of the Supremes in early 74 doing All I want on the Sonny and Cher show (the lineup of the Supremes had switched to Mary Wilson, Cindy Birdsong and Scherrie Payne.) If anyone is interested in this mp3, I can send it out via email to anyone that requests it. James Phillips ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:57:31 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc > The brilliant Murph wrote a parody worthy for the Hall of Fame. I'm still > laughing at it! > > I remember Jackie from like 4 decades ago showing up on the Johnny Carson > show but I've heard he is still out there selling out shows. He did some > shows here in L.A. (can't remember where but it was a pretty top venue) last > year and some of the lawyers I work with went to it and had a great time. > > Kakki > Yeah I saw him twice in L.A. including at the Greek Theather, and also in London 2 years ago. I was taking notes so everybody thought I was nuts. The funny thing is each time the great majority of the public was goy. Nothing wrong with that, same thing wih Woody Allen as a matter of fact: he's more popular with the goyim. Now at the Greek I had just gotten married in Vegas a few weeks prior to the show, and on our way there I had a flat tire. I checked the transmission fluid, the oil, the radiator, just about everything, I and resumed driving until the tire actually blew apart. And Jackie goes into a routine about what happens when a jew has a flat tire: "he'll look at the car this way, and that way...".on and on for 5 minutes. And then he says: "actually none of this will really happen because a jew won't even know that he has a flat tire". I was ROTFL. As far as the difference between jews and gentiles regarding food, just come with me to a restaurant and I'll save you a ticket to a Jackie Mason show. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:19:41 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jackie Mason, njc He's not only far right politically, he also has a > nasty attitude toward women. I never saw "The World According to Me" but > did watch his HBO special, Dear Debra, Regarding Jackie's attitude towards women I have no idea what you're referring to. He says that Italian wives don't leave the kitchen, but that jewish husbands are afraid of their wives....So? Politically, I'd say he has a realistic attitude but I can understand why you think what you do, so let's not argue this fruitless point. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:35:41 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Underneath The Streetlight Steve and Bob Muller exchanged > > To my ears, "Underneath The Streetlight" is the happiest song she's ever > > written > > > > Bob > > One of the worst too! "Yes I do..." - Oh no Joni! > > Steve > > NP: 'Fiction' - Joni > Once again "I demur". I really like this song (Of course, I find Dancin Clown playful - it still brings a smile to my face every time). While there are some Joni songs that I do not particularly care for, I am aware that those songs are among others' favorites (one or two of them among Joni's, judging from their appearance on her Misses CD ). Is it possible that the woman is congenitally incapable of writing a lousy song ? Might it be better if we started referring to our personal 'least favorites' with descriptors such as "least attractive/artistic/beautiful/melodic/lyrical/stimulating/profound" rather than "worst". That word just does not seem to me to belong in the same sentence as the words "songs Joni has written". :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: Tlog and the Geffen Box whoa.... I have all of the warner/reprise/asylum HDCDs (and a player with the hd chip so they sound great!) but I'm not aware that there have been HDCD editions of any of the geffen material. Having read Ice magazine every week for the last ten years and being generally obsessed with such things, I would think I'd have noticed by now.... which is why I'm rather excited about this box. > About the boxed set, if you don't have the LPs or the HDCD editions of the > Geffen albums, then yeah, by all means, buy. I have hours and hours of > interviews so her text about the songs might mean more to you than to > others. Maybe I'll have to get it. > > > You said, > > it's not just a repackaging, I'm expecting these to sound substantially > better than the current CDs, most of which are brittle and compressed> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:19:11 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Underneath The Streetlight > Once again "I demur". I really like this song Well, call us the "demurring duo", Bob...I like it too, as you know I think the entire WTRF project is underrated. It's almost like people wanted Joni to suffer for them for so long that it was almost like "how dare she be in love and be happy?" For me, this song captures the fanciful feeling of being in love and wanting to tell the world, even if it's only shouting out to the trucks passing by, or planes flying overhead, or the variety of folks passing by underneath the streetlight. And while the song sounds spontaneous, it contains some pretty cool imagery: "I swear on the streetlight on the corner Shoving back the shadows!" Which nicely describes the image of shadows moving quickly as you pass under a streetlight...very Joni-ish to poetically descibe an image that goes forgotten by most of us. What's interesting to me too, bubbling below the surface, is that even though she's vehemently declaring her love to all within earshot, her declarations are directed at things that are temporary and anonymous, which contrasts with "Chinese Cafe" where she's sitting with her close friend and really spilling her guts about the melancholy she feels about the state of the world and growing older. So...those of you who bemoan WTRF's joy...take heart! It just may really be a depressing record after all! :~) Bob NP: Paul Westerberg, "Trumpet Clip" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:22:33 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: A Quiet but Hair-raising Joni Moment That was a wonderful story Joseph! I was just listening to TI this past Friday and was so touched by the song, Magdalene Laundries. Joni does such a wonderful job of portraying the hopelessness of all the girls who where sent there. The most touching part of the song for me is when Joni sings of the girl that died without any fanfare. I can't remember the exact lyrics right at the moment, but Joni sang, about bells that should have at least rung for her. That statement for me captures all the hurt and sorrow of having to live in such a place. She goes on to sing that one day she will die there too and suffer the same fate. Joseph, I am so happy that you are being treated so well here. It makes me feel good inside. Just remember to check the washing machine thoroughly to make sure a dark piece of clothing is not left behind before throwing in the next batch. My husband has some "pink" clothing because I didn't do that once! >From: >To: Sherelle Smith >CC: joni@smsoe.org >Subject: A Quiet but Hair-raising Joni Moment >Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:49:33 -0400 > >Part of the heady excitement of being new to the place is the various >invitations from well-meaning people to spend an evening or weekend >with them. > >I had one last evening -- unforgettable and heartwarming. My adviser >and his wife invited me to dinner in their indescribably bee-you-tee- >full house in Chatham County and they treated me like their son (almost >everyone in UNC seems to be especially kind and helpful to me, from >that lady in the laundromat who gave me life-changing lessons in >separating the colored from the white shirts before loading my clothes >to the machine, to the professor I met in a coffee shop down the street >and who invited me to a martini in his place when he realized I am an >international student). The dinner was lovely and we had great fun >talking about anything that we happen to peripherally discuss from >Bruno Latour to bartending to hummingbirds and to _The Magdalene >Sisters_. It was at this juncture when they talked about a song a woman >sang about the Magdalene sisters. Naturally Joseph proudly said it was >Joni Mitchell who sang Magdalene Laundries. Then my adviser took his >Chieftains album with Joni singing Magadalene Laundries in one of the >tracks. The three of us dimmed the light and Joni's lower registers >came oh-so-clearly in the darkened room and told the story of a 27-year >old who may or may not have been made pregnant by her father. It was a >very quiet moment for the 3 of us then I before I knew it, goose bumps >were on me because of Joni's plaintive singing. The spare arrangements >and the background vocals eerily evoked a revisionist _The Sound of >Music_ vision in the song. When the song ended I found myself misty- >eyed and so was my adviser and his wife. I have not experienced a Joni >performance this hair-raising since she sang Little Green, and it was >at the time I broke up with my long-time girlfriend. > >I told my adviser and his wife to get TI to discover more of Joni. >Turned out theye were long time Joni fans. They were very much in the >California subculture thing in the mid-60s to late 60s. For the first >time, I kind of looked at them the way I would probably look at Joni >when I will see her for the first time -- with reverence and awe. > >I wonder what Joni thinks of _The Magdalene Sisters_ as a movie. > >Joseph in CH _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:25:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Silly Covers 44 contest As promised, I'm happy to give away a FREE copy of Joni covers, Volume 44 to a lucky winner anywhere in the world. This month, I'll also throw in a copy of the "Let's Sing Out" CD, including Joni performances from 1965-66! Cool! All you have to do is pick a song...you know how it goes, tell me a song on one of Joni's albums as well as the album it appears on, and whoever comes the closest to the song I've chosen wins! So all it costs you is an e-mail and you could snag a couple cd's. And while you're pondering which song to pick, here's a free Joni cover for you to enjoy, "Raised On Robbery" by Warp 10: http://www.warp10.ca/mp3.htm Good luck! Bob NP: Paul Westerberg, "Good Day" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:30:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc Debra writes: << A performance of it, by you, at next year's jonifest seems like a good idea to me >> If that's what it takes to get you there, Debra, I'll do it! Thanks, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:37:22 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc Laurent writes: << As far as the difference between jews and gentiles regarding food, just come with me to a restaurant and I'll save you a ticket to a Jackie Mason show. >> "What happened to the portions? The portions used to be bigger!" --Bob, quoting Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:46:00 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: NJC - Did Jesus Have a Baby Sister? (Dory Previn) How wonderful to read a Dory Previn post. I have always been a big fan of hers. Her autobiography Midnight Baby , written almost 30 years ago, was bold and spectacular. Jerry Did Jesus Have a Baby Sister? - --By Dory Previn did jesus have a baby sister? was she bitter? was she sweet? did she wind up in a convent? did she end up on the street? on the run? on the stage? did she dance? did he have a sister? a little baby sister? did jesus have a sister? did they give her a chance? did he have a baby sister? could she speak out by and large? or was she told by mother mary ask your brother hebs in charge hebs the whipped cream on the cake did he have a sister? a little baby sister? did jesus have a sister? did they give her a break? her brotherbs birth announcement was pretty big pretty big i guess while she got precious little notice in the local press her mother was the virgin when she carried him carried him therein if the little girl came later then was she conceived in sin? and in sorrow? and in shame? did jesus have a sister? what was her name? did she long to be the savior saving everyone she met? and in private to her mirror did she whisper saviorette? saviorwoman? saviorperson? save your breath! did he have a sister? a little baby sister? did jesus have a sister? was she there at his death? and did she cry for marybs comfort as she watched him on the cross? and was mary too despairing ask your brother hebs the boss hebs the chief hebs the man hebs the show did he have a sister? a little baby sister? did jesus have a sister? doesnbt anyone know? ichael McNevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:39:47 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jackie Mason, njc Laurent, Argue? Hey, you wanna argue? What about??? I don't have any problem with people enjoying Jackie Mason's comedy, or even agreeing with his politics. It's a big world out there. As far as me thinking he has a nasty attitude toward women... I don't have any quotes for you. I think when I was paying attention to him, maybe 6-7 years ago, he was going through a divorce and had lots of generalized angry feelings about it. Some of it got into the newspapers here in NYC, and that's probably part of my view of him. So it's a new day, he has a new show on Broadway opening soon and there will probably be more press about him, and I'll probably listen again and see what he has to say and see whether I find it funny... maybe, maybe not. My opinion of him really shouldn't effect anyone else, and vice versa. Is that something we could agree on? Debra Shea Laurent Olszer wrote: > > He's not only far right politically, he also has a > > nasty attitude toward women. ... > > Dear Debra, > > Regarding Jackie's attitude towards women I have no idea what you're > referring to. > He says that Italian wives don't leave the kitchen, but that jewish husbands > are afraid of their wives....So? > Politically, I'd say he has a realistic attitude but I can understand why > you think what you do, so let's not argue this fruitless point. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:06:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Debra writes: > > << A performance of it, by you, at next year's jonifest seems > like a good idea to me >> > > If that's what it takes to get you there, Debra, I'll do it! OK, you're on! I'll bring you some "beat poet" shades and a long straight-haired black wig (or am I the only one who imagines any "spoken-Joni", even the reworded kind, as a tortured beat poet drama?). See you there, Debra Shea P.S. Is there someone who can accompany you on bongos, or should you start taking lessons now? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:02:35 -0400 From: Subject: Re: A Quiet but Hair-raising Joni Moment Thank you for your emails, Sherelle! Indeed the song gained a special prominence for me ever since _The Magdalene Sisters_ came out. Joni has been singing about the plight of Catholic women/nuns since TI but its only with the release of Peter Mullan's films did I really pay attention. Its a chilling rendition not so much on the overly dramatic singing but actually quite on the opposite -- the type of singing that achieves a level of authenticity by economies of scale. I think the added years in Joni's voice with a hint of hoarseness and quaver gave the song its poignant quality. As a Catholic since birth, I am appalled by the cruelties under the name of benevolence. Too bad, I was not here when the whole discussion of _The Magdalene Sisters_ were in full swing. I would want to hear the views of others. And thanks for the advice re: laundry. My girlfriend has been calling me everyday to ask how I am managing here since I don't know how to cook or even do the laundry back in Manila. I think that after a year of staying in NC, I will probably be more appreciative of the amount of work that goes with laundry and cooking. And Sherelle and Kate, make sure that you put UNC in one of your tour schedules (concertwise and vacation-wise) in the future! Joseph in Chapel Hill Quoting Sherelle Smith : > That was a wonderful story Joseph! I was just listening to TI this > past > Friday and was so touched by the song, Magdalene Laundries. Joni does > such a > wonderful job of portraying the hopelessness of all the girls who > where sent > there. The most touching part of the song for me is when Joni sings > of the > girl that died without any fanfare. I can't remember the exact lyrics > right > at the moment, but Joni sang, about bells that should have at least > rung for > her. That statement for me captures all the hurt and sorrow of having > to > live in such a place. She goes on to sing that one day she will die > there > too and suffer the same fate. > > Joseph, I am so happy that you are being treated so well here. It > makes me > feel good inside. Just remember to check the washing machine > thoroughly to > make sure a dark piece of clothing is not left behind before throwing > in the > next batch. My husband has some "pink" clothing because I didn't do > that > once! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:28:28 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Underneath The Streetlight Hi, dears! I'd like to say that, in synchronicity, I've found this item on eBay: "A 4-song EP (Geffen PRO-A-1081) from Joni's "Wild Things Run Fast" LP, record appears near-mint and unplayed. Includes the following songs: (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care Underneath The Streetlight - --- Wild Things Run Fast Man To Man" I think it's a rare item (promotional), interesting for collectors, don't you? BTW, the seller is one guy I think I (we) know... Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Lou Reed, Halloween parade - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Underneath The Streetlight > > Once again "I demur". I really like this song > > Well, call us the "demurring duo", Bob...I like it too, as you know > I think the entire WTRF project is underrated. It's almost like > people wanted Joni to suffer for them for so long that it was almost > like "how dare she be in love and be happy?" > > For me, this song captures the fanciful feeling of being in love and > wanting to tell the world, even if it's only shouting out to the > trucks passing by, or planes flying overhead, or the variety of > folks passing by underneath the streetlight. And while the song sounds > spontaneous, it contains some pretty cool imagery: > > "I swear on the streetlight on the corner > Shoving back the shadows!" > > Which nicely describes the image of shadows moving quickly as you pass > under a streetlight...very Joni-ish to poetically descibe an image > that goes forgotten by most of us. > > What's interesting to me too, bubbling below the surface, is that even > though she's vehemently declaring her love to all within earshot, her > declarations are directed at things that are temporary and anonymous, > which contrasts with "Chinese Cafe" where she's sitting with her > close friend and really spilling her guts about the melancholy she > feels about the state of the world and growing older. > > So...those of you who bemoan WTRF's joy...take heart! It just may > really be a depressing record after all! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Paul Westerberg, "Trumpet Clip" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:32:02 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: NJC - Did Jesus Have a Baby Sister? (Dory Previn) Hi, Susan! Many thanks for posting these awfully funny lyrics! I've never heard of them and I think this Did Jesus Have a Baby Sister is very very good! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Lou Reed, Dirty Blvd. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: NJC - Did Jesus Have a Baby Sister? (Dory Previn) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:50:26 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Jackie Mason, njc > Argue? Hey, you wanna argue? What about??? > My opinion of him really shouldn't effect anyone else, and vice versa. Is > that something we could agree on? > > Debra Shea > Hi Debra Fair enough, and as I said there's nothing to argue about. Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:54:52 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc Debra asked: > (or am I the only one who imagines any "spoken-Joni", even the > reworded kind, as a tortured beat poet drama?). Um ... no. Debra, was this asked with tongue in cheek? If not, please see Tape #5 of Jonifest 2003 performances. (http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm) Lori, occasionally of SugarPants "fame" http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:36:20 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc No, nothing tongue in cheek at all, Lori. It's what I've been picturing since reading the Joni-redone lyrics, and I mentioned it then, but didn't see anyone comment on it. Is that what "Sugarpants Cease Interfering with the Sadness" was? So... how was I to know that? (or maybe I just missed some messages along the way, that's always possible) Debra Shea Lori Fye wrote: > > Debra asked: > > > (or am I the only one who imagines any "spoken-Joni", even the > > reworded kind, as a tortured beat poet drama?). > > Um ... no. > > Debra, was this asked with tongue in cheek? If not, please see Tape #5 > of Jonifest 2003 performances. (http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm) > > Lori, > occasionally of SugarPants "fame" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:55:30 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: re:Tlog and the Geffen Box < I really thought the foreboding version of "Woodstock" worked well too.> It does for me also, Lama, because we have to get back to the garden because something is Slouching towards Bethlehem to be born. The 1st verse of Travelogue's Woodstock is just gorgeous. When the string overture stops it is just Joni on melody, Herbie hitting chords, and Brian and Larry providing rhythm. It is a very brief segment but hauntingly beautiful in its simplicity. Check it out. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:57:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc bob, how come you know so much yiddish? i tried to learn yiddish many years ago. the first time i went to new york in the late 70's everybody asked me for directions in yiddish. i thought it would be fun to be fluent in yiddish since i knew i would go back to new york many times in my life. but then no one seemed to remember any yiddish in buenos aires so i decided i'd learn welsh instead. wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 11:24:19 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc > No, nothing tongue in cheek at all, Lori. It's what I've been > picturing since reading the Joni-redone lyrics, and I mentioned it > then, but didn't see anyone comment on it. Is that what "Sugarpants > Cease Interfering with the Sadness" was? Yep. > So... how was I to know that? (or maybe I just missed some messages > along the way, that's always possible) Apparently you DID know it, Debra, even if you didn't realize you knew. (Does that make sense?) As for missed messages, I've been only barely "here" in email-land lately, so I thought perhaps you had read about it and *I* had missed those posts, which is why I asked about tongue in cheek. Seems we were all on the same page all along! : ) Lori http://lrfye.lunarpages.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:37:43 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc Lori Fye wrote: > > Apparently you DID know it, Debra, even if you didn't realize you > knew. (Does that make sense?) As for missed messages, I've been only > barely "here" in email-land lately, so I thought perhaps you had read > about it and *I* had missed those posts, which is why I asked about > tongue in cheek. > > Seems we were all on the same page all along! : ) Yes, but jeez it's painfully contorted sometimes, isn't it? as always, all the best to you, Debra Shea P.S. ... stretching out now... there must be a joni song for that... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:37:32 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Does anybody know? Well, Joni is going to be 60 this year so i'm guessing this is just tabloid stuff! db >>> Nicole Wieser 9/2/2003 2:09:57 AM >>> Hi! Somewhere in a paper I read that Joni is now pregnant, at the age of over 50. Is that true? Does anybody know? This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Does anybody know? From what I remember this story was about another woman who also was named Joni Mitchell. Jerry Quoting Donna Binkley : > Well, Joni is going to be 60 this year so i'm guessing this is just > tabloid stuff! > > db > > >>> Nicole Wieser 9/2/2003 2:09:57 AM >>> > Hi! > Somewhere in a paper I read that Joni is now pregnant, at the age of > over 50. > Is that true? Does anybody know? > > > This message has been scanned by the E250. > > > > > This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:06:04 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Underneath The Streetlight Okay I take your point Bobsart. I should know better anyway because it's so amazing the amount of Joni songs I never liked to begin with, not that I'm saying I will like 'Underneath The Streetlight' - it's just with Joni especially you never can tell. Steve NP: 'Danielle' (live) - Madeline Milla ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobsart48@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org ; onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Cc: amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk ; SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Underneath The Streetlight Steve and Bob Muller exchanged > To my ears, "Underneath The Streetlight" is the happiest song she's ever > written > > Bob One of the worst too! "Yes I do..." - Oh no Joni! Steve NP: 'Fiction' - Joni Once again "I demur". I really like this song (Of course, I find Dancin Clown playful - it still brings a smile to my face every time). While there are some Joni songs that I do not particularly care for, I am aware that those songs are among others' favorites (one or two of them among Joni's, judging from their appearance on her Misses CD ). Is it possible that the woman is congenitally incapable of writing a lousy song ? Might it be better if we started referring to our personal 'least favorites' with descriptors such as "least attractive/artistic/beautiful/melodic/lyrical/stimulating/profound" rather than "worst". That word just does not seem to me to belong in the same sentence as the words "songs Joni has written". :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:58:53 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: RE: Jackie Mason Laundries, njc > bob, how come you know so much yiddish? i tried to learn yiddish many years > ago. the first time i went to new york in the late 70's everybody asked me > for directions in yiddish. i thought it would be fun to be fluent in yiddish > since i knew i would go back to new york many times in my life. but then no > one seemed to remember any yiddish in buenos aires so i decided i'd learn > welsh instead. > wally Wally, dear, There are many people who remember welsh in Buenos Aires? I'm amazed! Ah, Bob, I really liked your Jackie Mason Laundries, even don't knowing who Jackie is, nor the meaning of many many words! :-) Carry On, gang! Emiliano NP: Juan Perro, Charla del pescado ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:36:57 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Andrea (NJC) I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this list. Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, NY. I know that she had made some good friends here. She was my best friend. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:56:17 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) I am so terribly sorry to hear this news. Andrea will be missed. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Ken Harvey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:23:06 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Dear Bruce, I am so very sorry to hear this. I will keep you, Andrea and your families in my prayers. donna >>> Bruce Kimerer 09/02/03 3:36 PM >>> I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this list. Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, NY. I know that she had made some good friends here. She was my best friend. Bruce This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Dear Bruce, How awful and shocking and how sorrry I am for your loss and Andrea's family's loss and our loss here on the Joni List. I always appreciated Andrea's bluntness and directness in her posts - she made me laugh and think. I wish I had known her better and wish there was something we all could have done in some small way to recognize her pain. Take care Bruce and thanks for thinking of us and let it be known we will be thinking of you in your time of loss - but remember she is still your friend and will forever be. It is a sad day for the JMDL - we have lost a member and a person who always left an imprint and who loved Joni - we will always be connected to that spirit and by that spirit. Peace Susan Breaking like the waves at Malibu ... Bruce Kimerer wrote: I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this list. Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, NY. I know that she had made some good friends here. She was my best friend. Bruce Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:46:56 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Oh fuck, goddammit, FUCK. Bruce ... I'm really sorry. Andrea was a really good friend to me, too, albeit just within this list, within private emails, and a few phone calls. I talked with her on the phone nearly everyday during Jonifest, and had *almost* convinced her to come down to Oliverea for a day, but she had pneumonia and now ... I never did get to meet her and give her that hug we'd talked about many, many times. Lori, at a loss and feeling a huge void, and hoping that Andrea is finally feeling some peace now P.S. - Bruce, is there anywhere I/we can go, anything I/we can do ... ??? > I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of > this list. > > Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga > Springs, NY. > > I know that she had made some good friends here. > > She was my best friend. > > > Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:56:11 -0400 From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) OMG, please say it isn't so ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:01:33 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) - something you all should know On Aug 26, Andrea was the very first person to donate to my fundraising for this year's AIDS Marathon. Despite being a rather "glass half empty" sort of woman (per her friend Jenn), Andrea was one of the most selfless and generous people I've known, however briefly. I wish she had known how much she really will be missed. Lori, on her way to marathon orientation in just a few minutes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:02:48 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) I'm so sorry. I didn't know Andrea well but always appreciated her posts. I know she recently talked about her battle with depression. I didn't realize things were that bad. I'm so, so sorry for your personal loss. This is tragic. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:11:19 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Bruce wrote: > I am very sorry to have to report some terrible > news to members of this list. > > Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her > home in Saratoga Springs, NY. > > I know that she had made some good friends here. > > She was my best friend. I'm deeply shocked and saddened by this news. My thoughts are with you and Andrea's family. I enjoyed corresponding with Andrea, and I only hope that she's found some peace. Helen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:12:11 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Does anybody know? This probably refers to Jonie Mosby Mitchell, who in 1991 got pregnant for the first time at age 52. At one point I thought I read that this woman was a country singer, but I can't find a reference to that effect now. > >>> Nicole Wieser 9/2/2003 2:09:57 AM >>> >Hi! >Somewhere in a paper I read that Joni is now pregnant, at the age of >over 50. >Is that true? Does anybody know? > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Bruce! I am so shocked and upset. Andrea and I corresponded with one another privately quite a few times. This is terrible, terrible news and I am absolutely devastated - so must you be. My heart goes out to you, dear Bruce. Poor Andrea! I hope she's at peace now. Many hugs going your way, Bruce. We've never met, but so what?: We're all family here. I'm so sorry. Bruce Kimerer wrote:I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this list. Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, NY. I know that she had made some good friends here. She was my best friend. Bruce Catherine Toronto - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:14:11 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Sunday she thought Bob's, Jackie Mason Laundries was priceless and was going to save it. Her last post ...I believe. Monday she is no longer here and the Jmdl willl NEVER get another post from her. I don't know why some just can't get the peace they need in this life! But I surely hope..Andrea.. you find it in your new place. Somehow I think you will. So sorry Bruce......and to her family.....my prayers and thoughts... (so close to the Full Moon...so close) Bree >I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this >list. > >Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, >NY. > >I know that she had made some good friends here. > >She was my best friend. > > >Bruce _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:34:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) - something you all should know >On Aug 26, Andrea was the very first person to donate to my fundraising >for this year's AIDS Marathon. And she was usually the first to guess to win a cd from me, and she won a couple too! I know she loved Joni & her pugs, I hope she's in a better place...all my prayers to her family. How strange to feel such a profound sense of loss for someone you never even met. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:34:13 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Oh God no. This has really shocked me. We had privately emailed a few times but had lost touch recently because I couldn't seem to get through on her email address. I knew she had been coping with depression but had no idea it was this bad. I thought she was feeling a lot better. This is so awful. I had not known her for that long but will really miss her. I always enjoyed reading her posts. My thoughts go to all her family and the people's who's lives she had touched. I too wish she knew how much she would be missed. This is not fair. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Kimerer" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: Andrea (NJC) > I am very sorry to have to report some terrible news to members of this > list. > > Andrea took her own life on Monday Sept.1 at her home in Saratoga Springs, > NY. > > I know that she had made some good friends here. > > She was my best friend. > > > Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "walterphil" Subject: mama cass television program a friend of mine (in the tv biz) just lent me a copy of mama cass' tv special from 1969. guests include joni, mary travers, john sebastion, buddy hackett!! martin landau & barbara baine!!! joni's a sport, does a nice version of "both sides now" while an enraptured cass & travers look on. some (not too bad) strings emerge on the 3rd verse. joni has on mucho cheek blush. then mary gets up and does kind of an ebarrasing version of laura's "and when i die." (in a seqined miniskirt) (complete with mucho finger snapping and head shaking) the best part is when all 3 do a nice version of "i shall be released." joni takes the third verse-- (now yonder stands a man in this lonely crowd...) does this count as a new joni cover? thats it for joni. john sebastion does a gagging "she's a lady," and cass somewahat sadly remarks "i wish someone would write songs like that for me." then the 2 of them do a duet of "darlin companion" with cass strummin a dulcimer! (actually pretty good). the less said about the skits, the better. (shudder, buddy et al.......... that barbara baine sure was purdy tho) one other odd thing-- the tape has commercials (from 1969) and one of em features an impossibly young bernadette peters doin a bra commercial! (as a miss america or something) what a hoot. for the record cass sings a mamas & the papas medley, (california dreamin with monday monday) dream a little dream, i can dream can't i, and dancing in the street. she's heartbreaking and beautiful. i just love her. she ends with, "from my mouth to his ear, peace," and flashes a peace sign. i believe this show was only shown once and never repeated. xxx walt The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:46:45 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) I'm at a loss. Although I had spoken with her on a very few occasions, she was someone whose posts I always liked to read. Dammit: words are so inadequate. My thoughts are with her family and friends. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:20:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: for Andrea (NJC) when I was suffering from clinical depression last year...Andrea was one of the few people who reached out to me. I am broken hearted by this sad news this is for Andrea.....I will miss you Bobby Jean Well I came by your house the other day, your mother said you went away She said there was nothing that I could have done There was nothing nobody could say Me and you we've known each other ever since we were sixteen I wished I would have known I wished I could have called you Just to say goodbye Bobby Jean Now you hung with me when all the others turned away turned up their nose We liked the same music we liked the same bands we liked the same clothes We told each other that we were the wildest, the wildest things we'd ever seen Now I wished you would have told me I wished I could have talked to you Just to say goodbye Bobby Jean Now we went walking in the rain talking about the pain from the world we hid Now there ain't nobody nowhere nohow gonna ever understand me the way you did Maybe you'll be out there on that road somewhere In some bus or train traveling along In some motel room there'll be a radio playing And you'll hear me sing this song Well if you do you'll know I'm thinking of you and all the miles in between And I'm just calling one last time not to change your mind But just to say I miss you baby, good luck goodbye, Bobby Jean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:33:36 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: for Andrea (NJC) > when I was suffering from clinical depression last year...Andrea was > one of the few people who reached out to me. Rose, thank you for posting this. All of it, but especially the above. It's something that should be known, and shouted from the tops of mountains. I don't think we realize how quick we are to judge sometimes, and to not give each other and ourselves the benefit of a chance to get to know somebody. Especially here, within the JMDL, where none of us would be if we didn't have some big SOMETHING going on. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:48:50 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Just a little more about Andrea ... ... and then I'll stop, because for one thing I can't find either of the beautiful photos of her that she emailed me some moons ago (although if I could, I'd post them here), and for another, Andrea herself would be rolling her eyes by now (or talking about sticking hot coals in them). But anyway, this is a post that still makes me laugh (and it seems to be startlingly appropriate right now): http://www.mail-archive.com/joni@jmdl.com/msg27107.html Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:04:45 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Does anybody know? Quite a long pregnancy, eh? Deb Messling wrote: >This probably refers to Jonie Mosby Mitchell, who in 1991 got pregnant for >the first time at age 52. At one point I thought I read that this woman >was a country singer, but I can't find a reference to that effect now. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>Nicole Wieser 9/2/2003 2:09:57 AM >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>Hi! >>Somewhere in a paper I read that Joni is now pregnant, at the age of >>over 50. >>Is that true? Does anybody know? >> >> >> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net >---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:04:56 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Andrea (NJC) Dear Bruce, Dear Friends: I feel terribly sorry. Even knowing her from only some months, I guess I'll remember her, her intelligence, her love for animals, her some uneasy humour, her personality... NP: Hejira Peace & Love: Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:48:17 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: spitting in the face of God? Sean, It's pretty clear you've been around the Internet (judging by your subject line) so I don't have to explain that the colorful metaphor will draw fire. Joni herself is given to overstatement and so am I. Put on your asbestos suit and ride it out. (Hi Kakki!) Your sister-in-law would fit right in here too, because she's bought the CD! Let me dispose of the apologist stuff straight away: Like many smokers, Joni tried everything. She quit cold-turkey. She tried the patch. I think she tried hypnosis. She consulted every possible expert. At one point she took off on an epic journey in search of her "inner-non-smoker, when [she] was nine years old." As a singer, you can bet that countless people have advised her to quit. It's too bad that she is in the position to be interviewed on the topic. Anyway, my take on it: As fans of Joni, we're lucky we're not in the position of fans of John Lennon. George Harrison's fans aren't expecting anything new ever again. Laura Nyro's fans won't see her inducted into the Rock Hall. Ultimately, I mourn the writer's block much more than the departure of high, clear soprano. But as you've undoubtedly been told already, she owes us nothing. The more you know about her uhmm... personal life, the more you'll realize that she gave up, she forfeited, an awful lot for her Art. She literally gave up her daughter and her husband in order to devote her Life to her Art. No, she has not short-changed her Art. She's done alright. Lama PS, You've entered with a bang which is a method with a long, storied history on the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Welcome to the JMDL. Sean said, >I asked my wife if my sister-in-law noticed the CD or not, as I didn't see any glimmers during the bustle of activity. My wife said "But she does like it enough to have bought a copy herself". > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #437 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)