From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #435 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 435 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Rufus Wainwright Journeys To "Gay Hell" and Back: 8/31/03 NY Times [Richa] Apology for omitting the [NJC] in the Rufus Wainwright NYTimes link post (njc) [Richard Goldman ] Re: Chelsea Morning/Happy Songs [Rusty10113@aol.com] Fwd: "Sing Out" [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Fwd: "Sing Out" [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Chelsea Morning ["StephenToogood" ] Re: happy Joni songs ["StephenToogood" ] Brady Blade (njc) ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: box sets njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Moore's Law - njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: "Sing Out" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Sing Out" (njc) ["David Rahall" ] Re: Moore's Law - njc ["kh012f5050" ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) ["J.David Sapp" ] Tlog and the Geffen Box [w evans ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) [Doug ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) [David Sadowski ] Re: Tori Amos NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Tori Amos NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Sunday NY Times article about Rufus Wainwright [NJC] ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Neil Young/Greendale (njc) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Tlog and the Geffen Box [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) ["Mark or Travis] liz phair in the NY times njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) NJC [SCJoniGuy@a] get me off this list [QingCong@aol.com] Today's Library Links: September 1 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:08:46 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Rufus Wainwright Journeys To "Gay Hell" and Back: 8/31/03 NY Times It's a doozy of an article... I have to hand it to him, he's got bigger balls than I ever thought. And . . . his newest oeuvre is truly a masterwork. With the likes of Moulin Rouge soundtrack, as well as Bowie and Bjork producer Marius De Vries... it is an album #3 in a great (thank heavens now that he's gotten himself into recovery), career.... and it includes: Linda and Teddy Thompson, Kate McGarrigle, Martha Wainwright, Levon Helm, Charlie Sexton, and Maria and Geoff Muldaur's daughter, Jenni.... http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/31/arts/music/31DECU.html ~Richard n.p. CSNY -'Four Dead in Ohio' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:13:44 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Apology for omitting the [NJC] in the Rufus Wainwright NYTimes link post (njc) What can I say? I'm sorry .... I got excited and ...it was such a long subject line already ... I apologize. ~Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:52:55 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Jackie Mason Laundries Bob, This is priceless and from an Irish lad, no less. I'm saving it. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:59:16 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning/Happy Songs > Regarding happy songs, Steve writes: > > << And correct me if I'm wrong; she's not done too many of those. >> You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio is a wonderfully joyous song. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 06:11:59 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: BSN cover To Stephen Toogood When I said I liked the cover of BSN, I was definitely referring to the front and back. That's why I love the T-shirt so much, because it has both images, front and back. I would kill for one in a small because they are always so darn big on me. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:56:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning >And you know there may be more: To my ears, "Underneath The Streetlight" is the happiest song she's ever written Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:39:24 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: "Sing Out" Bob wrote: Others watching it at the Full Moon thought that Joni looked scared in 1965 and more sure of herself in 1966. Anyway, you can watch it and see for yourself...either way it's AMAZING footage, and excellent quality too! - ---------------------------- I think there is a much happier youthful girl in Joni Anderson" Sing Out" laughing, playing flirtatiously with the camera. But when we see her a year later, married, betrayed and ready to run we see a much darker side, the beginning of being disturbed that Joni herself spoke of in WOHAM. Her radical bangs, a deeper mystical voice, the beginning of looking down while performing, much more mature singing of her" Urge for going' soon to be running off to Florida. Giving up her baby was the beginning of the most treasured catalogue any artist, vocal, visual, lyrical, and instrumental has ever laid down. I ache for her, the pain she went through to give us these treasures. I miss everyone! Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:37:53 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: box sets njc Yes, but I would hold off on buying it, because I think they're redoing it- supposedly improving it! Now they're rereleasing box sets in new and improved versions, God help us all... David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "Richard Flynn" ; "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ; "_JMDL" ; "Bob Muller" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: box sets njc > > NP: Volunteers--Jefferson Airplane on my original vinyl with the BIG > > peanut butter & jelly sandwich. Worth it for the art alone! > > > So what about 'Jefferson Airplane Loves You'? That has some > interesting early stuff and quite a bit of live and rare stuff if I > remember correctly. > > Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:45:37 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning/Happy Songs Re happy Joni songs.. I find 'Free Man in Paris' one of the most joyful songs, along with 'Carey'.. how can you not want to joyfully go find that very good friend or smash your empty glasses down ?? I have a category on my iTunes and these two, along with Car on a Hill, Chelsea Morning, Help Me (another happy song!) and You Turn Me on are all there, when I need a pick me up... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:15:12 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Fwd: "Sing Out" Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb03.mail.aol.com (v95.12) with ESMTP id MAILINYB31-1773f52065d1be; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:30:06 -0400 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB15-1773f52065d1be; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:29:49 -0400 Received: from computer (h0010b5b18fdb.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.2.23](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200308311404220160021hnne>; Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:04:23 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c36efd$acdaaf60$1702da18@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "Christopher Treacy" To: References: Subject: Re: "Sing Out" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-AOL-IP: 204.127.202.64 I'm missing the rest of this thread for some reason - where is this footage available?? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: Re: "Sing Out" > Bob wrote: > > Others watching it at the Full Moon thought that Joni looked scared in > 1965 and more sure of herself in 1966. Anyway, you can watch it and see for > yourself...either way it's AMAZING footage, and excellent quality too! > ---------------------------- > I think there is a much happier youthful girl in Joni Anderson" Sing Out" > laughing, playing flirtatiously with the camera. But when we see her a year > later, married, betrayed and ready to run we see a much darker side, the > beginning of being disturbed that Joni herself spoke of in WOHAM. Her radical bangs, a > deeper mystical voice, the beginning of looking down while performing, much > more mature singing of her" Urge for going' soon to be running off to Florida. > Giving up her baby was the beginning of the most treasured catalogue any > artist, vocal, visual, lyrical, and instrumental has ever laid down. I ache for > her, the pain she went through to give us these treasures. > I miss everyone! > > Peace > Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:16:20 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Fwd: "Sing Out" Return-path: From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Full-name: MINGSDANCE Message-ID: <66.35a20457.2c836a62@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:12:34 EDT Subject: Re: "Sing Out" To: whizzboom@comcast.net, SCJoniGuy@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Just contact SCJoniGuy@aol.com, He can get it for you,well worth it. Why he is almost like Jesus with his Joni covers program, and his knowlege of the girl. There is even rumor that he has been posing as the Big Guy down there in South Carolina. I wonder if Mel Gibson needs an Understudy for that movie he's making about Jesus? This Bob guy can even sing the part!:-) Good Luck Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:27:03 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Yeah I guess there are more than I thought. 'Carey' always makes me smile. Steve NP: 'Good Friends' - Joni (this one isn't too sad either) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning > Regarding happy songs, Steve writes: > > << And correct me if I'm wrong; she's not done too many of those. >> > > Joni has said, "I sing my sorrow, I paint my joy." But I think the following > is a selection of songs she has written and/or performed that aren't too sad. > And you know there may be more: > > Morning Morgantown > > Night in the City > > Night Ride Home > > Coyote > > Ray's Dad's Cadillac > > Help Me > > You Dream Flat Tires > > Face Lift > > Just Like This Train > > (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care > > Conversation (Especially the way our Claud sings it!) > > Twisted > > Big Yellow Taxi > > Be Cool > > God Must Be a Boogie Man > > In France They Kiss on Main Street > > Carey > > The Jackie Mason Laundries > > And, of course, the dreaded . . . > > Dancin' Clown > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:29:34 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: happy Joni songs > To my ears, "Underneath The Streetlight" is the happiest song she's ever > written > > Bob One of the worst too! "Yes I do..." - Oh no Joni! Steve NP: 'Fiction' - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:51:32 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Brady Blade (njc) Bob wrote: Looks like the latter. From the official DMB website: Dave Matthews' debut solo album, Some Devil, will be released Tuesday, September 23rd. Among the many musicians accompanying Dave on Some Devil are Phish guitarist Trey Anastasio and Dave's longtime collaborator, guitarist Tim Reynolds. Bassist Tony Hall (Bob Dylan, The Neville Brothers, Willie Nelson) and drummer Brady Blade Jr. (Emmylou Harris, Steve Earle, Chris Whitley) also appear on the album, which was produced by Busted Stuff producer Stephen Harris. Does anyone know if Brady is related to Brian??? Curious, Suze n.p. Steamroller Blues, from Joni/James in London ***THANKS RACHEL!!!*** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:13:56 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: box sets njc Actually I've had it for some time now. Unfortunately, it has a wicked scratch on one disk that really messes up the end of 'Won't You Try/Saturday Afternoon'. So a new and improved version might be a good excuse to replace it. Mark E. in Seattle also a JA fan (and Grace Slick in particular) David Rahall wrote: > Yes, but I would hold off on buying it, because I think they're > redoing it- supposedly improving it! Now they're rereleasing box > sets in new and improved versions, God help us all... > > David > >> So what about 'Jefferson Airplane Loves You'? That has some >> interesting early stuff and quite a bit of live and rare stuff if I >> remember correctly. >> >> Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:31:04 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Moore's Law - njc MessageThis is a bit long but I couldn't resist forwarding it = considering the recent discussion on this and some other subjects. Mark E in Seattle Moore's Law The immorality of the Ten Commandments. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 2:04 PM PT=20 =20 The row over the boulder-sized version of the so-called "Ten = Commandments," and as to whether they should be exhibited in such = massive shape on public property, misses the opportunity to consider = these top-10 divine ordinances and their relationship to original = intent. Judge Roy Moore is clearly, as well as a fool and a = publicity-hound, a man who identifies the Mount Sinai orders to Moses = with a certain interpretation of Protestantism. But we may ask ourselves = why any sect, however primitive, would want to base itself on such vague = pre-Christian desert morality (assuming Moses to be pre-Christian). =20 The first four of the commandments have little to do with either law or = morality, and the first three suggest a terrific insecurity on the part = of the person supposedly issuing them. I am the lord thy god and thou = shalt have no other ... no graven images ... no taking of my name in = vain: surely these could have been compressed into a more general = injunction to show respect. The ensuing order to set aside a holy day is = scarcely a moral or ethical one, unless you assume that other days are = somehow profane. (The Rev. Ian Paisley, I remember, used to refuse = interviewers for Sunday newspapers even after it was pointed out to him = that it's the Monday edition that is prepared on Sunday.) Whereas a day = of rest, as prefigured in the opening passages of Genesis, is no more = than organized labor might have demanded, perhaps during the arduous = days of unpaid pyramid erection. So the first four commandments have almost nothing to do with moral = conduct and cannot in any case be enforced by law unless the state = forbids certain sorts of art all week, including religious and = iconographic art-and all activity on the Sabbath (which the words of the = fourth commandment do not actually require). The next instruction is to = honor one's parents: a harmless enough idea, but again unenforceable in = law and inapplicable to the many orphans that nature or god sees fit to = create. That there should be no itemized utterance enjoining the = protection of children seems odd, given that the commandments are = addressed in the first instance to adults. But then, the same god = frequently urged his followers to exterminate various forgotten enemy = tribes down to the last infant, sparing only the virgins, so this may be = a case where hand-tying or absolute prohibitions were best avoided. There has never yet been any society, Confucian or Buddhist or Islamic, = where the legal codes did not frown upon murder and theft. These = offenses were certainly crimes in the Pharaonic Egypt from which the = children of Israel had, if the story is to be believed, just escaped. So = the middle-ranking commandments, of which the chief one has long been = confusingly rendered "thou shalt not kill," leave us none the wiser as = to whether the almighty considers warfare to be murder, or taxation and = confiscation to be theft. Tautology hovers over the whole enterprise. In much the same way, few if any courts in any recorded society have = approved the idea of perjury, so the idea that witnesses should tell the = truth can scarcely have required a divine spark in order to take root. = To how many of its original audience, I mean to say, can this have come = with the force of revelation? Then it's a swift wrap-up with a = condemnation of adultery (from which humans actually can refrain) and a = prohibition upon covetousness (from which they cannot). To insist that = people not annex their neighbor's cattle or wife "or anything that is = his" might be reasonable, even if it does place the wife in the same = category as the cattle, and presumably to that extent diminishes the = offense of adultery. But to demand "don't even think about it" is absurd = and totalitarian, and furthermore inhibiting to the Protestant spirit of = entrepreneurship and competition.=20 One is presuming (is one not?) that this is the same god who actually = created the audience he was addressing. This leaves us with the = insoluble mystery of why he would have molded ("in his own image," yet) = a covetous, murderous, disrespectful, lying, and adulterous species. = Create them sick, and then command them to be well? What a mad despot = this is, and how fortunate we are that he exists only in the minds of = his worshippers. It's obviously too much to expect that a Bronze Age demagogue should = have remembered to condemn drug abuse, drunken driving, or offenses = against gender equality, or to demand prayer in the schools. Still, to = have left rape and child abuse and genocide and slavery out of the = account is to have been negligent to some degree, even by the lax = standards of the time. I wonder what would happen if secularists were = now to insist that the verses of the Bible that actually recommend = enslavement, mutilation, stoning, and mass murder of civilians be = incised on the walls of, say, public libraries? There are many more than = 10 commandments in the Old Testament, and I live for the day when = Americans are obliged to observe all of them, including the ox-goring = and witch-burning ones. (Who is Judge Moore to pick and choose?) Too = many editorialists have described the recent flap as a silly = confrontation with exhibitionist fundamentalism, when the true problem = is our failure to recognize that religion is not just incongruent with = morality but in essential ways incompatible with it. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 0000000001_000000000000000005081.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:54:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Sing Out" >But when we see her a year >later, married, betrayed and ready to run we see a much darker side, the >beginning of being disturbed that Joni herself spoke of in WOHAM. Very good point & I agree 100%, David...it's mind-boggling to think about the life experiences she had in that year between Oct. '65 & Oct. '66, defining moments that shaped her life & career forever. Maybe it's just invention on my part, but I can almost see a sadness & melancholy behind her smile and youthful beauty. I miss you too, buddy! I think of you every day when I look at the framed Joni PROUDLY displayed in my living room (even if she IS waving goodbye to me...) Bob NP: Rockapella, "Anna Begins" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:19:52 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: "Sing Out" (njc) Okay, I'm sitting here checking my e-mail, listening to the new Broadway cast album of "Gypsy" and just as this e-mail popped up, Bernadette Peters, as Mama Rose, goes "Sing out, Louise!" That was weird and I just thought I'd share. David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:22:51 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: Moore's Law - njc > MessageThis is a bit long but I couldn't resist forwarding it = > considering the recent discussion on this and some other subjects. > > Mark E in Seattle Good on him - one of the world's greatest hypocrite hunters. He's still after Kissinger, isn't he? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:37:40 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) This is truly an amazing piece of history. One thing that struck me, i even noticed at that early stage of her career the other musicians were looking at her like "how is she doing that?" Bob do we know how this tape survived? There weren't VCR's in '65. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Tlog and the Geffen Box couple thoughts after reading the last 2 or 3 digests. First, hello again everyone... this is ken, of ken and steve in atlanta, for anyone who remembers or cares. Doing fine.. anyways My problem with Tlog is that at least half of the songs sound like they're meant to be the epic closing track of the album. In fact, I count five that actually did close their respective orginal albums, six if you count trouble child (since twisted, despite being one of my very favorite joni performances, is somewhat of a coda) Comparing Tlog to BSN, one thing that made BSN a bit easier to digest was that COY and BSN functioned as the epic closers of what felt like sides one and two, with the rest of the tracks providing some forward momentum and pacing. With so many songs on Tlog having that grand feel, even ones that are, like, track 4, and feeling like that's it but then there's another and it makes it difficult to be motivated to get through the darn thing. My feeling on the Geffen box is that, even though it contains a few of her worst albums, there's enough good stuff on them that it's verymuch worth having decent-sounding versions of these--- remember, it's not just a repackaging, I'm expecting these to sound substantially better than the current CDs, most of which are brittle and compressed, especially DED and CM. I would also think that if the liner notes are long enough for Joni to discuss nearly every one of the songs on it, then that's worth the price alone, if only to hear her explain herself since some of these albums are ones for which she definitely has some explaining to do! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:02:20 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) The shows were recorded on a kinescope by which the video image is scanned onto movie film. A TV station would then use a telecine to convert the film back to video for broadcast. This was normal procedure up to the late '60s when video recorders became more affordable and reliable. Doug J.David Sapp wrote: > Bob do we know how this tape survived? There weren't VCR's in '65. > > peace, david > > . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:22:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) Doug wrote: > The shows were recorded on a kinescope by which the video image is > scanned onto movie film. > A TV station would then use a telecine to convert the film back to > video for broadcast. This > was normal procedure up to the late '60s when video recorders became > more affordable and reliable. > I thought the kinescope method became obsolete after Desi Arnaz came up with the idea of actually filming 'I Love Lucy' on 35mm film. This left behind a much superior image on film that could easily be re-broadcast or transferred to video tape. That was in the early 50s. Mark E. in Seatte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:00:58 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Brady Blade (njc) Sue Cameron wrote: > > Does anyone know if Brady is related to Brian??? They're brothers. I forget now where I read or heard that but remember thinking it was a believable source. I've seen them both performing and they not only look alike, slender and graceful, but also have similar drumming styles, often hunched over close to the drums, jumping up sometimes, intense and cool at the same time. Debra Shea P.S. I'm wondering now about my source, so just did a google search, and here's some info about them: (yes, they are brothers) http://www.neonbridge.com/Articles/2000-2002/April%202002/Brady%20Blade.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:59:31 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) Pre-recorded shows were filmed but until the advent of video tape recorders, the only way to record live TV was by filming the picture from a TV monitor- hence, a kinescope. Ernie Kovacs was a pioneer in using video tape. Mark or Travis wrote: >Doug wrote: > > >>The shows were recorded on a kinescope by which the video image is >>scanned onto movie film. >>A TV station would then use a telecine to convert the film back to >>video for broadcast. This >>was normal procedure up to the late '60s when video recorders became >>more affordable and reliable. >> >> >> > >I thought the kinescope method became obsolete after Desi Arnaz came >up with the idea of actually filming 'I Love Lucy' on 35mm film. This >left behind a much superior image on film that could easily be >re-broadcast or transferred to video tape. That was in the early 50s. > >Mark E. in Seatte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:51:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Tori Amos NJC i caught the end of that pbs show & hope they replay it so i can see the entire concert...she is fascinating in concert & i agree that she appears to have a strong kate bush influence, more so than joni... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:17:56 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos NJC In a message dated 31/08/2003 22:00:16 GMT Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > i caught the end of that pbs show &hope they replay it so i can see the > entire concert...she is fascinating in concert &i agree that she appears to > have a strong kate bush influence, more so than joni... > > In turn, Tori has had a huge influence on up-and-coming singer-songwriters, certainly in the UK. For example, at the much-missed Kashmir Klub, when there was a female artiste who played the piano you could get pretty short odds that there would be an audible Tori influence. It seemed to be almost as pervasive as the Jeff Buckley influence among young male singer-songwriters. I'd agree that Scarlet's Walk is a very fine album, and would make a great first listen for anyone wanting to investigate her work. Whatever you do, don't start with From The Choirgirl Hotel or To Venus And Back, or that may be the beginning and end of your acquaintance with this very talented and idiosyncratic woman. Azeem in London, back from a week in Cornwall NP: PJ Harvey - We Float (this song is sublime and unimprovable - so there!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:06:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Sunday NY Times article about Rufus Wainwright [NJC] thanks for this info richard...i really enjoyed the show rufus did here last year- one of the highlights of our sings like hell series, imo (daniel lanois played a concert fri night...i am a huge fan of his & enjoyed the show most when he played his pedal steel...omygawd so beautiful!!) anyway kudos to rufus for speaking out about his meth problem- i hope more people who are public figures will start talking about this demonic drug...he speaks of it being a menace to the gay community...it is also an american epidemic as reported in a recent hbo special (called crank, made in america)...as kids, so many are prone to experimentation with drugs but this is one that can bring someone down so fast, often taking hold with just one use & is reportedly more addicting than heroin... its not just the kids who are out looking for a fun time who try it, but the students or working folks or athletes who want that extra energy or girls who want to loose weight...but the effects of even trying it once can be devastating...it is a drug that is associated with violence & depravity which rufus alludes to...the ingredients are as toxic as it gets... its been epidemic in hawaii & california for years & is now everywhere in the usa...in rural communities as much as cities... parents- educate yourselves & talk to your kids about this as its in rural communities as much as cities these days...here are some places to learn more: http://www.crystalrecovery.com http://www.escapemeth.com/ http://www.methmadness.com >Prepare yourself for a harrowing story on page 15 of tomorrow's Arts and Leisure section, accompanied by a stunning color photo. Blisteringly honest. Beautifully intimate. And scary as hell. "I'm a bit hesitant to talk about this," he said. "I don't know what the impact will be. But I'm only doing it because it might help somebody - and to say that there is no such thing as casual crystal meth use!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:29:21 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: happy Joni songs Night in the City is a happy song. Sisotowbell Lane is not a bouncy, perky song, but it *is* happy. Cotton Avenue? The Crazy Cries of Love - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:21:22 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young/Greendale (njc) << From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN Re: Neil Young- what do you think of Greendale? RR >> Hey, Randy, I'm a Neil Young completist as well even though I don't love "everything" he's done; I respect him a lot. (I recently saw him at the Hard Rock in Las Vegas where he played all old stuff and only two cuts off the new album.) I taped Greendale in its entirety when WFUV played it last Thursday night and it's much better than I'd expected. Sure, many of the songs may remind you of past Neil Young tunes but how many different melodies are there anyway? As for the concept; I buy into it... I think it will probably work better when you hear it as the soundtrack for the movie. The worst Neil Young album, IMHO, is Broken Arrow from some years back... forgettable songs and terrible production values; you can barely make out the vocals over the mangled intrumentals. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:30:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tlog and the Geffen Box Hi Ken, I know what you mean...I was listening to T'log in the car today, and it starts out so nicely with "Otis", and "Amelia" (which is just lovely) and "Flat Tires" which I really like (though I'd like to up the tempo a bit and get rid of some of the symphonic quality & let Billy wail on the organ), then "Woodstock" just bogs it down...my son, who is well-informed of Joni's work, said "Dad, this is SO boring, is this one ever going to end?" And I had to agree that I didn't have any problem with the quality of Joni's vocal, just the lack of vocal inspiration on some of these tracks, and like you say the repeated "EPIC" feel of so many of them. I think that what makes "Judgement Of The Moon & Stars" & "Down To You" work SO well in their original releases is that they have an epic feel but the other tracks don't, so they stand out all the more, and of course they're both great songs anyway. OK, I'm rambling now, but I just wanted to comment. I'm still giving T'log some play in different setting and trying to appreciate it more. It just seems that there were so many wrong decisions made with it. Bob NP: Hint, "You Little Trooper" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:35:09 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) David Sadowski wrote: > Pre-recorded shows were filmed but until the advent of video tape > recorders, the only way to record live TV was by filming the picture > from a TV monitor- hence, a kinescope. Ok, that makes sense. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 23:35:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: liz phair in the NY times njc for an interesting interview with liz phair go to http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/readersopinions/phair-questions.html?th wally, a liz phair fan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:39:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) NJC Well, I was going to say "magic" but it looks like smarter heads have prevailed! :~) Anyway, it's still pretty darn magical. Bob NP: Nuspirit Helsinki, "Seis Por Ocho" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 00:25:40 EDT From: QingCong@aol.com Subject: get me off this list how do i get off this list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 02:19:31 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 1 On September 1 the following article was published: 1979: "Mitchell jazzy in sound, looks" - Freehold News Transcript (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=868 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #435 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)