From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #434 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 31 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 434 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- jonifest pix - NJC ["ron" ] Re: complete Geffen Recordings (SJC) (S for slight). ["David Rahall" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #432 - Adam's question ["kh012f5050" ] Re: Tori Amos NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Greendale [was RE: TLOG & BSN] ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: jonifest pix - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: jonifest pix - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Harleys and Elton NJC ["kerry" ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] Re: Harleys and Elton NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Harleys and Elton NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Sunday NY Times article about Rufus Wainwright [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) ["kakki" ] Re: Geffen {was RE: TLOG & BSN} njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: BSN ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] New Seal & Dave NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] JoniFest ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "Later Joni" ["Larry D." ] Cafe Days [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Computer mystery NJC [dsk ] Re: Computer mystery NJC [dsk ] lyrics question [Kamilla J Ludwig ] Re: lyrics question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] geffen & philanthropy njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Chelsea Morning ["StephenToogood" ] Re: Tori Amos NJC ["StephenToogood" ] Re: JoniFest [FredNow@aol.com] Re: lyrics question ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Chelsea Morning [Murphycopy@aol.com] THE JACKIE MASON LAUNDRIES -- njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Today in History: August 31 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 31 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:21:24 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: jonifest pix - NJC hi at last!!! my pictures are up ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:37:55 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: complete Geffen Recordings (SJC) (S for slight). I won't be able to resist buying it, I'm afraid. I'm such a consumer. I hope the sound, packaging and new tracks make it "worth it." I confess- I'm a box set junkie. David listening to "Before Hollywood" by The Go-Betweens p.s.- love "Volunteers" and pretty much all JA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" To: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ; "_JMDL" ; "Bob Muller" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: RE: complete Geffen Recordings (SJC) (S for slight). > You're so right about the pricing of these things new and used. But there > are some great boxed sets: the Byrds was early & still great. Harry Smith's > anthology. Broadside anthology. Robert Johnson for the alternate takes. > Lesser but interesting: Buffalo Springfield, Jimi Hendrix. For the most > part, though they're as big a rip-off as this forthcoming Joni set. > Well--maybe not. > > NP: Volunteers--Jefferson Airplane on my original vinyl with the BIG peanut > butter & jelly sandwich. Worth it for the art alone! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:42:14 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Fw: squishing crawly things, now Joni content YAY! > PS Kerry, enjoy the Harleys! We get the Honda Gold Wing fest every couple of years, and those cats pump all kind of moola in the local economy.< >>Thanks...I'm sure the city will make a bundle from this one! It's really been amazing so far! The paper is persisting in spreading the rumor that the big headliner will be Elton John. Not sure he's the best fit?<< I don't know why you should think that but if it's anything to do with Elton's homosexuality (and forgive me if you were thinking of something else) then relax; we had the Harley Run here in Barcelona in early summer and the weekend coincided with the Gay Pride weekend. No trouble at all and lots of people from both groups having a great time altogether in the same plaza. mike in barcelona NP Terry Callier - brother to brother ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:10:39 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) >Like Bree, I don't have any fears per se either. Should I be worried about this?< Catherine answered >>I think you people are in serious denial. Maybe you're afraid to admit you're afraid of anything!<< > Or maybe I'm afraid to admit I'm in denial... mike< >>Maybe you have... phobiaphobia!<< You'll never get me to admit to that... mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:24:17 +0100 From: "kh012f5050" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #432 - Adam's question > I must admit to not being very familiar with 'later Joni'. Should I prepare > myself for a shock in terms of how much damage the cigs have done to her > voice? > > Adam > > You just opened Pandora's can of worms. Well, I haven't had one person say 'yes' yet, so I'm looking forward to it! Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:28:45 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Tori Amos NJC On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 06:56 AM, BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > I am watching a Tori Amos concert on PBS. Two things: I'm embarrassed > to say > I've never really given her any attention before. She's fantastic. > More like > Kate Bush than Joni, I would say, though she cites Joni as her major > influence. > OK, that was three things. If you, or anyone else, is a little put-off by some of her "wierder" material, but still want a way into Tori then I really heartily recommend the latest: Scarlet's Walk. It is simply sumptuous from end to end, and the special edition includes a two track DVD and a little map of her travels across the US while making the album. Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:43:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos NJC >If you buy a first Tori album I suggest 'Little Earthquakes'. I would second that, and also the Scarlet's Walk suggestion. I think "Under The Pink" is her masterpiece thus far, but it's a bit complex for a first choice, like Hejira makes for a tough intro to Joni. Important note: If you get anything other than these three Tori's, look out! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:06:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) >NP: Joni in the Sing Out sessions - Just Like Me Yes, at last we have a complete take on this beautiful unreleased Joni song! Every other recording I had was chopped off... This is one of the most exciting finds we've made in a long time...BIG thanks to Doug in Canada for sharing this material with me, and HUGE thanks to Ashara for making oodles of copies in a matter of days so we could get them out to Jonifest attendees. I'd like to also make this material available to all US fans at this point, but first let me describe what all is here: The video and audio CD run about 30 minutes. It features Joni's performances on 2 episodes of a CBC show titled "Let's Sing Out" hosted by Oscar Brand. The first comes from Winnipeg Manitoba on Oct. 4, 1965. Joni is introduced as "Joni Anderson", which in itself blows my mind. You can do the math, she's only 22 at this point. She performs: - -Born To Take The Highway - -Blow Away The Morning Dew (a duet with Brand) - -Favorite Colour (a brand new "unreleased" song!) - -Me And My Uncle John (solo performance of a John Phillips song) The second segment is from Sudbury, Ontario and is dated October 24, 1966. Joni has quite a different look here; she's now "Joni Mitchell" and she is so beautiful (both here and in the earlier segment) it's almost beyond belief. Anyway, during this segment she plays & sings: - -Just Like Me - -Urge For Going - -Night In The City - -Blue On Blue - -Prithee, Pretty Maiden (a Gilbert & Sullivan piece in which she duets again with Brand, who seems more than just a little taken with her...this performance is guaranteed to raise a BIG smile, Joni is just adorable with those doe-eyes of hers) Anyway, I'll say it again...thanks SO MUCH to Doug in Cananda for snagging this stuff, it's my pleasure to help spread it around. If you want the video & CD, here's what to do: Send me a blank video & cd, along with return postage back to you. Include $6 which is what I have to pay the company that dupes the video for me. Or, if all that is more hassle than you want, just send me $15 to cover the cost of the blank, the dubbing, packaging, printing, and postage. I do have a Paypal account at this address (SCJoniguy@aol.com) so you can just point & click and it's a done deal. (Any monies over & above my costs will be forwarded to the Jonifest scholarship fund, so if you want to make a donation over and above the $15 you can help a fellow JMDL'er make it to Jonifest 2004). If you want to sweeten your deal, I made another "Sweet 16" for this year's fest which includes 16 of my favorite Joni covers. Tracks are: 1. Judd Grossman b Carey 2. Pam Bricker b Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 3. Melissa Errico b Night Ride Home 4. Sara Hickman b Chelsea Morning 5. Blue Tapestry b In France They Kiss On Main Street 6. Terry Gonda b Both Sides Now 7. Diana Krall b A Case Of You 8. Erinn Brown b Urge For Going 9. Beth Nielsen Chapman b You Turn Me On Ibm A Radio 10. Avalon Motel b Blue 11. Jonathan Cohen b Woodstock (with Christine Sullivan) 12. Itxaso & Daniel Perez b Cherokee Louise 13. Lorna Grant b Big Yellow Taxi 14. Renata Friedrich b Moon At The Window 15. A Bird That Whistles b Hejira 16. Lydia van Dam - Love If you would also like a copy of this cd, just add $1 to the amount, or send 2 blank cd's instead of one. If you have any questions, please let me know. John Van Tiel will handle European distribution, hopefully I'm not jumping the gun here with that. Bob NP: Joni, "Born To Take The Highway" 10/4/65 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:28:26 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NJC Greendale [was RE: TLOG & BSN] I saw Neil & Crazy Horse perform Greendale under less than ideal circumstances at Chastain Park in Atlanta (without the set & with Chastain's usual inattentive, noisy audience--he stopped "Bandit" midway and compared Atlanta to Las Vegas). The noisy audience was worse during opener Lucinda Wiliams, one of my all-time favorites. Plus it was raining. Still I liked the songs. I like them better on the cd (because I can listen to them) and the loose narrative suits me fine. But I like the Bonus acoustic DVD version better because Neil's wry sense of humor & subtle irony are more apparent. Sometimes, however, 9 minute 2-chord riffs get a bit monotonous. But it's one of his better recent efforts. All in all, it's a vast improvement over the passionless (and jingoistic) "Are You Passsionate"? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Randy > Remote > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:28 PM > To: Richard Flynn; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN > > > Richard Flynn wrote: > > > I pretty much agree with you, Stephen. I hadn't been expecting > to like TLOG > > either, and I liked some of it a great deal. I'm a Joni > completist, just as > > I'm a Neil Young completist, but I've actually enjoyed some of these > > performances. Since you mention "Last Time I Saw Richard" > does anyone else > > hate the nasal waitress in the Miles of Aisles version as much as I do? > > An annoyingly flat-footed and out-of-place attempt at humor IMO. > Re: Neil Young- what do you think of Greendale? > RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:05:19 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Computer mystery NJC this is because of the recent sobig virus (actually a "worm"), which fakes both the sending and receiving address. it doesn't mean you're infected, it just means sobig found your address on an infected machine. http://us.mcafee.com/virusInfo/default.asp?id=helpCenter&hcName=sobig patrick > >I recently received one of those "can't deliver" messages regarding an >email. The disturbing thing is that it showed ME as the sender (with >viagra to sell) and was sent to someone I don't know. If it hadn't been >undeliverable, I would never have known about it. So my questions are: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jonifest pix - NJC --- ron wrote: > hi > > > at last!!! > > my pictures are up > > > ron Ron, not that I want to tell you how to live your life but... you're too nice and these guys shouldn't be allowed to get away with making you pay for this - you should go back and demand they fix it. Having said that, there are other ways to fix this on your own (but I don't think you should have to do this because it wasn't your mistake.) With this yahoo account I have, I also set up a Yahoo photos site where I uploaded some of my photographs. If you upload photos there,you can crop them and "enhance" them in various ways, some of which are fun, others of which are just plain stupid. However, one thing yahoo photos can do is flip photos. (I have an account with photoisland.com as well, but you can't flip photos on this one.) You might want to check that out because of the other stuff you can do, but you can certainly flip pictures. I have one up on my site called "curve". I then went into the "enhance" tool and flipped it, and saved that one as "flipcurve." You can see it here: http://ca.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/anima_rising However, I repeat - you should NOT have to do this, nor should you have to accept what these guys gave you. They need to fix that. Just for fun, I saved one of your photos, uploaded it to my yahoo photos, flipped it and saved it. I'll send it to you offlist because the list doesn't allow for attachments. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:54:38 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonifest pix - NJC In a message dated 8/30/03 10:07:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > However, I repeat - you should NOT have to do this, > nor should you have to accept what these guys gave > you. They need to fix that. > > Just for fun, I saved one of your photos, uploaded it > to my yahoo photos, flipped it and saved it. I'll send > it to you offlist because the list doesn't allow for > attachments. > Is that why Victor and I are upside down at the pond? I viewed these 4:30 this morning after getting home from Grushecky's gig at the Stone Pony. I thought it was a reflection in the water LMAO!!! Great photos Ron, thanks for the memories! rosie no Bruce appearances Bob, but yes he did do LOD ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:43:21 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Harleys and Elton NJC >>Thanks...I'm sure the city will make a bundle from this one! It's really >>been amazing so far! The paper is persisting in spreading the rumor that >>the big headliner will be Elton John. Not sure he's the best fit?<< >I don't know why you should think that but if it's anything to do with Elton's homosexuality (and forgive me if >you were thinking of something else) then relax; we had the Harley Run here in Barcelona in early summer and >the weekend coincided with the Gay Pride weekend. No trouble at all and lots of people from both groups >having a great time altogether in the same plaza. >mike in barcelona Believe me, I think of nothing else! Just kidding....Actually, the first thing that entered my mind was a vision of thousands of leather clad people swaying to "Can You Feel the Love Tonight..." ;>) I suppose some of Elton's earlier material would be fine. I was just thinking that it would be more appropriate to have a headliner with a little "harder" edge! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:40:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) Hey, thanks to all who have responded thus far...I wanted to add a few tidbits of info that I forgot... I said that the offer was open to US only, mostly because the VHS format is not compatible in Europe. If you CAN play VHS and want the video, feel free to ask for it - just plan on adding a couple extra dollars to cover the add'l shipping costs. Canadians, you are also welcome to "come to the dinner gong"...just add $1 to the $15 to cover add'l postage ($16 if you want the Sweet 16 CD). If you're sending stuff snail mail, my address is: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 That's all for now! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:53:30 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Harleys and Elton NJC I suppose 'Saturday night's alright for fighting' would be more appropriate than, say, 'Candle in the Wind'? mike - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kerry" To: "mike pritchard" CC: Subject: Harleys and Elton NJC Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 10:43:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mx02.ticon.net ([66.181.128.20]) by mc6-f31.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:39:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 5394 invoked by uid 204); 30 Aug 2003 15:39:33 -0000 Received: from myrtlmoo@ticon.net by mx02.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 1.804611 secs); 30 Aug 2003 15:39:33 -0000 Received: from d007.max6-2.mke2.ticon.net (HELO oemcomputer) (66.181.136.135) by mx02.ticon.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 15:39:31 -0000 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGQzu12ZmRqLAKsabkHP7p0 Message-ID: <001101c36f0d$71bd5f80$8788b542@oemcomputer> References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Return-Path: myrtlmoo@ticon.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2003 15:39:33.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9317890:01C36F0C] >>Thanks...I'm sure the city will make a bundle from this one! It's really >>been amazing so far! The paper is persisting in spreading the rumor that >>the big headliner will be Elton John. Not sure he's the best fit?<< >I don't know why you should think that but if it's anything to do with Elton's homosexuality (and forgive me if >you were thinking of something else) then relax; we had the Harley Run here in Barcelona in early summer and >the weekend coincided with the Gay Pride weekend. No trouble at all and lots of people from both groups >having a great time altogether in the same plaza. >mike in barcelona Believe me, I think of nothing else! Just kidding....Actually, the first thing that entered my mind was a vision of thousands of leather clad people swaying to "Can You Feel the Love Tonight..." ;>) I suppose some of Elton's earlier material would be fine. I was just thinking that it would be more appropriate to have a headliner with a little "harder" edge! Kerry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:58:09 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Harleys and Elton NJC >>I suppose some of Elton's earlier material would be fine. I was just thinking that it would be more appropriate to have a headliner with a little "harder" edge!<< Yeah, more 'Saturday night's alright for fighting' rather than 'Candle in the Wind', I suppose. Waltz, anyone? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:59:20 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Sunday NY Times article about Rufus Wainwright [NJC] I have an advance copy of Rufus's new album (releases Sept. 23 on Dreamworks), and it is the most brilliant work he has created so far. Having said that, and knowing that he is a HUGE Joni-phile.... Are you sitting down? I hope so. This next bit of news is definitely meant to be read sitting down. Tomorrow/Sunday/August 31 issue of the NY Times, the Arts & Leisure section has a huge article and photo about Rufus, that is pretty amazing. Prepare yourself for a harrowing story on page 15 of tomorrow's Arts and Leisure section, accompanied by a stunning color photo. Blisteringly honest. Beautifully intimate. And scary as hell. Among the exerpts: "There were a lot of 'Boogie Nights' moments, with 20 naked people in my apartment and me in my bathrobe playing 'Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk,'" said Rufus Wainwright, describing his social life before a scarifying emotional collapse, a stint in rehab and the completion of his gripping new album, "Want One." "I'm a bit hesitant to talk about this," he said. "I don't know what the impact will be. But I'm only doing it because it might help somebody - and to say that there is no such thing as casual crystal meth use!" Mr Wainwright, who is gay and has been out since he was a teenager, was not always convinced of that. Methamphetamine is one of a number of drugs - including ecstasty, cocaine, K and alcohol - to which he turned over the years to bolster his confidence and to propel his quests for anonymous sex. Despite creating a body of work whose central theme is the search for true love, he has never been in a serious relationship, a consquence, he says, of having been raped by a man he picked up in London when he was 14. Typically in recent years, he would get high, go online to discover willing partners and arrange meetings. Eventually Mr Wainwright found himself drawn to a subterranean world that he described in the most lurid terms as a "gay hell." "I'm not talking about a bar in the meatpacking district," he said. Mr Wainwright hit bottom last year when a morning line of cocaine designd to lend momentum to an apartment cleaning project led to a sex-and-drug binge that left him devastated. Mr Wainwright spent a month at Hazelden, the addiction treatment center in Center City, Minn. - -The article then goes on to praise the album to heaven and talk about his family. The article should be availabe online at http://www.nytimes.com/pages/arts/index.html after midnight. Be sure to read the whole thing, not just these excerpts..... His website, http://www.rufuswainwright.com/rufus_splash.html, has track #1 from the first disc of the CD (disc #2 will be released early winter), and also the cover art for "Want One", the first disc. ~Richard n.p. "Dinner At Eight", Rufus Wainwright, "Want One" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 17:01:00 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: jonifest pix - NJC On Saturday, August 30, 2003, at 03:07 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > With this yahoo account I have, I also set up a Yahoo > photos site where I uploaded some of my photographs. > If you upload photos there,you can crop them and > "enhance" them in various ways, some of which are fun, > others of which are just plain stupid. However, one > thing yahoo photos can do is flip photos. There aren't too many that need flipping, so I'll do it at this end where it'll take next to no time. I'll add it to the list of Jonifest gallery-related things I still have to do this weekend. Cheers, - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:31:01 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) Bob wrote: > Anyway, I'll say it again...thanks SO MUCH to Doug in Cananda for snagging > this stuff, it's my pleasure to help spread it around. Thanks to Doug for a really rare and amazing find! Sorry I assumed this was material Simon probably pulled out of his vault. What struck me was the maturity of Joni's voice at a relatively young age. My VCR is broken but I will view the video elsewhere this weekend and can't wait. Thanks for sharing and spreading the Joni. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jonifest pix - NJC --- Chris Marshall wrote: > > There aren't too many that need flipping, so I'll do > it > at this end where it'll take next to no time. I'll > add it to the list of Jonifest gallery-related > things > I still have to do this weekend. Chris, you're the greatest! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:12:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Geffen {was RE: TLOG & BSN} njc > Anyway, I'm a lot more excited about September releases from > Seal, John Mayer, Elvis Costello, Dave Matthews (solo), & love > of my life Shelby Lynne. A new release from Seal? Is he the new Joni putting, out a new one every 3 years? And Dave Matthews solo? Does that mean something like unplugged or? Or is it Dave Matthews with studio musicians? (as opposed to the Dave Matthews Band) Inquiring JMDLers want to know! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:37:11 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: box sets njc > NP: Volunteers--Jefferson Airplane on my original vinyl with the BIG > peanut butter & jelly sandwich. Worth it for the art alone! > So what about 'Jefferson Airplane Loves You'? That has some interesting early stuff and quite a bit of live and rare stuff if I remember correctly. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 09:15:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: BSN StephenToogood wrote: > Hi Andrea, > > And don't you think the back cover is so great too? That was to get > across her rebellious side! Very clever. > > Steve > Personally I like 'Both Sides Now' and the title track really gets me where I live. The best version of the song, bar none, imo. I also think 'Travelogue' on the whole is a piece of great beauty and depth. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:01:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni - Let's Sing Out (long but cool stuff involved) In a message dated 8/30/2003 12:28:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: Sorry I assumed this was material Simon probably pulled out of his vault. What struck me was the maturity of Joni's voice at a relatively young age. These 2 appearances are not as yet listed at JoniMitchell.com, so I don't if Simon knew of them previously or not. He's very busy and doesn't always have time to do all the updates that he takes care of. I have sent him a copy of the cd though so hopefully he's enjoying that. I agree with you about Joni's maturity...I think especially the video shows how assured she was at this age. Her performances are very confident and full of life. Others watching it at the Full Moon thought that Joni looked scared in 1965 and more sure of herself in 1966. Anyway, you can watch it and see for yourself...either way it's AMAZING footage, and excellent quality too! Interesting sidenote...also in the video (briefly) are a young Harry Chapin (as part of The Chapins), Dave van Ronk, and Arlo Guthrie. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:41:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: New Seal & Dave NJC >A new release from Seal? Is he the new Joni putting, out a new one >every 3 years? You're being a bit generous - his last release, "Human Being" was in 1998 I think. I liked it a lot but it was not a hit compared to his big breakthrough. I heard a track from the new one on AOL radio last night - sounded good to me. > And Dave Matthews solo? Does that mean something like >unplugged or? Or is it Dave Matthews with studio musicians? (as >opposed to the Dave Matthews Band) Looks like the latter. From the official DMB website: Dave Matthews' debut solo album, Some Devil, will be released Tuesday, September 23rd. Among the many musicians accompanying Dave on Some Devil are Phish guitarist Trey Anastasio and Dave's longtime collaborator, guitarist Tim Reynolds. Bassist Tony Hall (Bob Dylan, The Neville Brothers, Willie Nelson) and drummer Brady Blade Jr. (Emmylou Harris, Steve Earle, Chris Whitley) also appear on the album, which was produced by Busted Stuff producer Stephen Harris. Read more and get clips at: http://www.dmband.com/index.asp?source=rtv Bob NP: Dylan, "Drifter's Escape" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:03:15 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JoniFest It's too early for 04 and too late for 03. JMDLers must endure their coming hither as much as their going hence. Ripeness is all. I stole that.... Lama A preprogrammed message from les@jmdl.com said: >> Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com Fred Simon wondered: Is it too late for me to sign up? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:26:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: "Later Joni" I actually like Joni's smoky contralto voice better than the coloratura of her earlier recordings. Up until Court and Spark, I find Joni's voice a little shrill. Her vocals on the both sides now album are, I think, the best of her career. Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:53:35 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #432 - Adam's question I must admit to not being very familiar with 'later Joni'. Should I prepare myself for a shock in terms of how much damage the cigs have done to her voice? Adam You just opened Pandora's can of worms. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:26:52 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Cafe Days Sony will release a Legacy Edition of Jeff Buckley's Live at Sine next week. I got an advance copy. It had 2 cd's and a bonus dvd and it is wonderful. I'm glad they subtitled it Cafe Days because Jeff wanted to call his first cd Dark Cafe Days. He loved Joni and mentioned her often in interviews. Besides early renditions of his Grace cd songs he covers Bob Dylan, Nina Simone, Edith Piaf, Van Morrison, Billie Holliday, and Led Zeppelin, among others. He also does monologues on The Doors, Miles Davis, Nusrat, Elvis, The Hollies, and many others. Treat yourself! Jerry np: Jeff Buckley - Calling You ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:39:32 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Computer mystery NJC Hi Kakki, I don't worry at all about receiving spam. It was having my email name as the SENDER that concerned me. If spammers can so easily make it look like I'm sending out email (that I know nothing about), then it seemed anyone else could, too. That is what worried me, the fraudulent use of my email name. I feel reassured by people's replies (many thanks for that). Other people are having the same thing (or worse) happen to them, and Patrick's mention of the devious internet worm explains most of it. Thanks, Patrick. As far as unsubscribing goes, my understanding is that it's better NOT to do that because all it does is show the spammer that your email address is a "live" one. The more live addresses the spammer has (as opposed to made-up or guessed-at email addresses), the more they can charge for their service. It's a dirty business even without that mischief-making worm. I appreciate your advice and information, Kakki. And you're right about companies (and every internet user) being besieged by spam. It's cheap and sneaky advertising, and the billions of garbage emails sent out every day are threatening the entire system. In the U.S., there are legal constraints on junk snail mail, junk faxes, and now junk telemarketers, but it's hard for the "powers that be" to figure out how to control junk emails. From what I've read, it's being worked on, mostly because of companies complaining about lost time spent either deleting spam or fighting receiving it (via filters). Companies don't like wasting money and having employees' wasting time, and they have the clout to push for some type of regulation. It's tricky, though, because it's hard to regulate spam and not regulate the "good" emails also, and no one wants that kind of regulation. It's one of those modern day dilemmas that's not easily resolved. Debra Shea kakki wrote: > > Don't worry too much about the weird viagra and other sometimes porn spam. > Where I work everyone has been getting them in their inbox for months now. > ... On some of them there is a place to "unsubscribe" and I dilligently > would do so, but many do not have that option (even though legally they must). > ... I've heard many other companies are getting > beseiged by them, too, so it's apparently a widespread deal. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:42:08 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Computer mystery NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Debra writes: > << I'm wondering if anyone here has ever received an > unexpected message with me as the sender >> > > Just the one offering to *reduce* my penis size, Debra. (Or was that a a > private, off-list e-mail?) LOL!!! Dream on, Mr. Bob. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:12:56 -0600 From: Kamilla J Ludwig Subject: lyrics question Hi, I just joined the list - not boring, is it? I have a question about lyrics. I had the radio on scan the other day and only caught part of a song that I am sure was Joni Mitchell but I can't place the lyrics. I think they went like this: "The sun came in like buttered thoughts and clung to all my sense." Any body have any clues? Kamilla ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:24:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: lyrics question Hi Camilla & welcome! No, seldom is there a dull moment here on the JMDL...the song you heard was Joni's classic "Chelsea Morning" which is on her "Clouds" album. One of my favorite songs. The actual line is: "The sun poured in like butterscotch and stuck to all my senses" Next question? :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:12:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: geffen & philanthropy njc i worked in philanthropy for years...overall, i think its a wonderful concept & it can do so much in terms of making the world a better place, helping individuals in need, etc... however, there are great tax advantages to the wealthy for their philanthropy...& in spite of the good done, the motivations for philanthropy are so varied...some do it anonymously & some want their name in lights...& i think there is a part in each of us who wants our memory to live on or to know our lives have meaning...this is certainly one way to do so... anyway individuals with lots of income can set up a foundation which lowers their taxes & allows them to place their money according to what they feel is a priority...these days, many people with substantial wealth have a foundation i have always wished that i could decide where my tax dollars went...you know give me a couple choices...health, education, military, etc... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:58:47 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning I love it too, It's such a nice happy song :) And correct me if I'm wrong; she's not done too many of those. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: lyrics question > Hi Camilla & welcome! > > No, seldom is there a dull moment here on the JMDL...the song you heard was > Joni's classic "Chelsea Morning" which is on her "Clouds" album. One of my > favorite songs. The actual line is: > > "The sun poured in like butterscotch and stuck to all my senses" > > Next question? :~) > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:03:53 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Tori Amos NJC I would have to disagree with you there Bob, and say that 'Boys For Pele' is her masterpiece but each to their own and 'Under The Pink' is certainly a worthy contender. But yeah 'Boys For Pele' I wouldn't choose as a first Tori album. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Tori Amos NJC > >If you buy a first Tori album I suggest 'Little Earthquakes'. > I would second that, and also the Scarlet's Walk suggestion. I think "Under > The Pink" is her masterpiece thus far, but it's a bit complex for a first > choice, like Hejira makes for a tough intro to Joni. > > Important note: If you get anything other than these three Tori's, look out! > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:12:24 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniFest Well, you know what they say, Jim: in cyberspace no one can see you smile. I was jes funnin' because the sign-up reminder for JoniFest 2003 is still heading the list digests. No big whoop. Best, Fred In a message dated 8/30/2003 3:03:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > > It's too early for 04 and too late for 03. JMDLers must > endure their coming > hither as much as their going hence. Ripeness is all. > > I stole that.... > > Lama > > > A preprogrammed message from les@jmdl.com said: > >> Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com > > Fred Simon wondered: > Is it too late for me to sign up? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:36:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: lyrics question > "The sun came in like buttered thoughts and clung to all my sense." > > Any body have any clues? > > Kamilla That would be 'Chelsea Morning' from Joni's 'Clouds' album and the line reads: And the sun poured in like butterscotch And stuck to all my senses I rather like 'buttered thoughts', though. Gave me a chuckle. Welcome to Joniland! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:57:18 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Regarding happy songs, Steve writes: << And correct me if I'm wrong; she's not done too many of those. >> Joni has said, "I sing my sorrow, I paint my joy." But I think the following is a selection of songs she has written and/or performed that aren't too sad. And you know there may be more: Morning Morgantown Night in the City Night Ride Home Coyote Ray's Dad's Cadillac Help Me You Dream Flat Tires Face Lift Just Like This Train (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care Conversation (Especially the way our Claud sings it!) Twisted Big Yellow Taxi Be Cool God Must Be a Boogie Man In France They Kiss on Main Street Carey The Jackie Mason Laundries And, of course, the dreaded . . . Dancin' Clown --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 01:13:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: THE JACKIE MASON LAUNDRIES -- njc THE JACKIE MASON LAUNDRIES I was an unmarried mensch I'd just turned fifty-something When they sent me to the Catskills For the way men laughed at me Branded as a schlemazel I knew I was not bound for Vegas I'd be cast like bubkes Into the Jackie Mason Laundries Most shlemiels come here ferklempt Some by their cacaimamey routines Schecky got that schtick From Myron Cohen We're trying to get some laughs you know All of us kvetching meshunginas In the screaming tuml Of the Jackie Mason Laundries Schmendricks and nebishes And putzes like me Schmaltzy nudniks Shtopped into facacta shmatas Why do they call this shpritzing meshugas Our Home of Comedy? Oy, comedy! Henny Youngman plotzed today He had chutzpah And gelt They just dropped him on his tuchis Surely to God you'd think at least some schmuck should kvell One day I'm gonna pager too And they'll plant me in the schmootz Like some lame joke That never gets any laughs Not any laughs Oy, not any laughs Not any laughs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:45:28 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 31 1969: Joni opens for Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles. This is the final night of seven straight. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=153 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:45:28 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 31 On August 31 the following articles were published: 1974: "Super Female Group?" - Washington Star News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=778 1979: "Joni Mitchell comes back with jazz and the Persuasions" - Salem Sunbeam (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=886 2000: "The Awful Truth" - E! Online (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=712 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #434 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)