From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #433 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 30 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 433 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Geffen {was RE: TLOG & BSN} [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Women Guitarists (njc) ["ron" ] RE: Geffen {was RE: TLOG & BSN} ["Richard Flynn" ] BSN [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: BSN ["StephenToogood" ] weather njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Fw: squishing crawly things, now Joni content YAY! ["kerry" ] Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether ["ron" ] Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) ["kakki" ] insects and alien abduction (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The Last Time... ["StephenToogood" ] Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) ["mike pritchard" ] RE: The Last Time... ["Wally Kairuz" ] Off for the weekend (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Top 5 Selling Joni, this year ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] complete Geffen Recordings ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: TLOG & BSN [Catherine McKay ] Re: Fw: squishing crawly things, now Joni content YAY! [Catherine McKay <] How a hacker looks up the lyrics, jc in my opinion ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedie] Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Bashing Geffen (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Just how much good stuff is on the jmdl site, and revisiting "The Jungle Line" thread [Catherine McKay ] Forwarding Wally's NJC [Emiliano ] Re: PWWM (was: Which Joni for Guitar Work?) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether [Michael Paz ] Re: TLOG & BSN ["kerry" ] Neil Young's Greendale concert on TV -njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Bashing Geffen (NJC) ["kakki" ] Today in History: August 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:25:32 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Geffen {was RE: TLOG & BSN} In a message dated 8/29/2003 3:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > If it makes you feel better, Bob, there are actually three > bonus tracks & CD > Universe is selling for $41.99. Yep, I feel just peachy now! :~) Add $5 for shipping, and that makes it only $15.67 per song, I can't get over the BARGAIN. Anyway, I'm a lot more excited about September releases from Seal, John Mayer, Elvis Costello, Dave Matthews (solo), & love of my life Shelby Lynne. Bob NP: Paul Westerberg, "Jumpin' Jack Flash" 8/9/02 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:24:52 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Women Guitarists (njc) hi >>>>>deb wrote >>>>> What about Rory Block? >> rory is one of my all time favourite musicians, and is a truly great guitar player. leaving her out is just plain ridiculous !!! >>>>>kenny B wrote >>>>>>> For that matter, what about Lita Ford? (Who I saw perform at ironically a "Guitar Greats" show at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ, some years ago.) "black" is one of the really few rock albums i own & enjoy - lita does all the guitar work, & does a great job...... ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:31:00 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Geffen {was RE: TLOG & BSN} It is indeed an offer that isn't too hard to refuse. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:26 PM > To: rflynn@frontiernet.net > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Geffen {was RE: TLOG & BSN} > > > In a message dated 8/29/2003 3:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > > > If it makes you feel better, Bob, there are actually three > > bonus tracks & CD > > Universe is selling for $41.99. > > Yep, I feel just peachy now! :~) > Add $5 for shipping, and that makes it only $15.67 per song, I > can't get over the BARGAIN. > > Anyway, I'm a lot more excited about September releases from > Seal, John Mayer, Elvis Costello, Dave Matthews (solo), & love > of my life Shelby Lynne. > > Bob > > NP: Paul Westerberg, "Jumpin' Jack Flash" 8/9/02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:33:02 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: BSN Great cover and T-shirt though Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:35:32 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: BSN Hi Andrea, And don't you think the back cover is so great too? That was to get across her rebellious side! Very clever. Steve NP: Three Great Stimulants - Joni ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerchak@aol.com To: amelio@sev47.fsnet.co.uk Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: BSN Great cover and T-shirt though Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:36:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: weather njc >I can relate to you. I despise heat and humidity and feel anxious and irritated with it. Luckily I live in Maine and already it is fallish here with a cool 61 right now and sun. However, we had humidity for over a month this summer. < can you believe we're talking about the weather!? lol...i remember a week in summer i spent in maine...i have never seen such HUGE mosquitos! we all had to wear nets over our heads when we were outside! how do you do it?! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:57:28 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: Fw: squishing crawly things, now Joni content YAY! >Joni is buggier than I thought! :~) I found a couple more in the lyric book: "There's a black fly buzzing There's a heat wave burning in her master's voice" "It's been stinger to stinger, darling It's been heart to heart" Who said bugs couldn't be poetic? > PS Kerry, enjoy the Harleys! We get the Honda Gold Wing fest > every couple of years, and those cats pump all kind of moola > in the local economy. We also get the annual BMW Z3 fest since > they're manufactured just up the road. Thanks...I'm sure the city will make a bundle from this one! It's really been amazing so far! The paper is persisting in spreading the rumor that the big headliner will be Elton John. Not sure he's the best fit? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:36:04 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Jonifest (njc) Jerry wrote about Roberto: >True class. A true gentleman. And a world class musician. Absolutely and I couldn't have said it better. It's great to hear from you Roberto! >When he and Victor open at The Duplex with Just Victor and Roberto 2003, be >there! What, where is The Duplex? If this gig is going to happen, I can only imagine how incredible that would be! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:15:55 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether hi >>>>>>catherine wrote >>>>>>I got this guy in to fix it & it was working OK for a while, but the kids keep downloading crap that brings in all this pop-up ad software that I then try to find and uninstall or delete - but I can't always figure out where these things are hiding.<<<<<<< if youre gonna be doing that kind of thing (downloading) the only real solution is to occasionally reformat your hard drive & start from scratch. not even installation managers like cleansweep etc will get all those pop ups off your machine. i have all my programmes ready for re-installation off a couple of disks, & save all my data under one directory making it easy to backup & restore. and as someone pointed out - most pop up killers and/or downlaod managers just bring more problems - theyre mainly full of spyware after all, there aint no such thing as free freeware :-) well, actually there is - its just becoming more & more difficult to find!!! kazaa lite is a great example - a version of kazaa wuth all the spyware hacked out of it ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Jonifest (njc) The Duplex is a legendary cabaret performance place in NYC. Most non theater folks know it as the place where Jack, from Will and Grace, performs his Just Jack (hands frame face). I kidded Victor that his show should be called Just Victor, Victor. Though I was joking, both Roberto and Victor could wow them as much as anyone I've ever seen there. Their Bring Him Home was a real highlight for me. Just Jerry Quoting kakki : > >When he and Victor open at The Duplex with Just Victor and Roberto > 2003, be > >there! > > What, where is The Duplex? If this gig is going to happen, I can only > imagine how incredible that would be! > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:05:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Computer mystery NJC Catherine, getting a Mac is a good idea, but moving your children to Bob Murphy's house is really the BEST idea. You can then have an "ungunked up" computer and Bob, though still old, would not be alone, so there's one of his fears gone, and they'd probably laugh at all his jokes (as I do). I picture much joy. Plus he'd probably be willing and able and happy to buy each of them their very own computer. So, sounds like a plan to me... Now that that's all taken care of, here's another computer situation... and if giving a first born to whoever can help with this one is necessary, so be it... I recently received one of those "can't deliver" messages regarding an email. The disturbing thing is that it showed ME as the sender (with viagra to sell) and was sent to someone I don't know. If it hadn't been undeliverable, I would never have known about it. So my questions are: 1. Has that ever happened to anyone else? Is this the latest spammers' tactic? Or is someone mucking about in my computer? Any tips about how to identify the true sender of an email would be most appreciated. 2. Having a Mac, I've usually felt impervious to troublemakers, but I may need to keep closer track of things. Does anyone know of a good software program that can let me know if someone's getting into my system? I had tried something a few months ago when my computer was being very quirky, but it just gave me huge lists of IP addresses, which weren't very helpful. I couldn't see any type of pattern. According to that software maker, computers are constantly "pinging" each other and the huge lists were nothing to worry about. I'm not so sure now. 3. Since someone (and perhaps lots of people) received "my" offer to sell them viagra, I'm wondering if anyone here has ever received an unexpected message with me as the sender, anytime in the last two or more years. I truly hope no one's gotten any weird email from "me", but if that has happened, I'd like to know about it so it can be investigated. For this topic, private responses would be best. Thanks very much! Debra Shea P.S. I was just kidding about that first born thing. And Catherine, if your kids do go to live with Murphy, they'd probably like you to go, too. I picture even more joy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:25:40 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) Bree wrote: >BUT I do get a little melancholy when Fall rolls around. I come alive in the spring >and especially the summer. That is me, too, Bree! I get more melancholy at the start of Fall than in the depths of winter. I only have one fear/phobia and that is spiders, too! Irrational, hysterical, full-on arachnophobia. Just thinking about them starts me hyperventilating. I will do anything not to have to squish one that's on any surface other than the floor. Because I have an aversion to pesticides such as Raid, I used to spray them with anything aerosol such as hair spray, cooking spray, oven cleaner, etc. to avoid having to get close. I used to place my cat in front of them telling him to "kill" but he rarely listened to me. If I inevitably have to squish them I let out a hysterical scream every time. I think it all comes from having run into a huge web as a child and getting all the stuff in my eyes, mouth and hair - shudder. Funny enough, I've met a few men who also have arachnophobia. Where I used to live near a botanical garden we would get giant webs and spiders when the weather was hot. My guy friends and I would all scream together if we walked into them unexpectedly - LOL. I also grew up around rattlesnakes who frequented the yard and sidewalks but never batted an eye at them. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:22:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: insects and alien abduction (NJC) i think that bug-o-phobia may be caused by the fact that insects are SO different from us in every way. their faces! have you ever seen a magnified picture of an insect's head? not even a bug's mother could love that! they have so many legs, they have this aggressive, aero-dynamic designs... oh make me stop, please! shudder shudder shudder! do you know whitley strieber, the author of "the hunger" and a lot of books on alien abduction? he says that people with a fear of insects subconsciously remember the faces and bodies of alien beings that visited and/or abducted them in those people's childhood. i could go with that. my aunt finita's face comes to mind too, though. i don't know. wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:23:31 EDT From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Bashing Geffen (NJC) It was written about Geffen's proceeds from the upcoming JM Geffen box set (which I can't wait to get to see my beloved DED enshrined in it's glory): > But really &truly I ain't overly anxious to help Mr. Geffen > make another payment on his yacht or whatever his plans are. I > wish Joni'd give him a swift kick to the shin Guatemalan-style. > Just had to comment on this, even though I let it pass the first time in another post. Even though Geffen Records is now owned by MCA and I doubt Geffen will see much directly from the sales of this box set, the disparaging remark about Geffen as a person was troubling. While reputedly not saintly in his business practices and/or demonstrating his mercurial personality, he is well-known for his philanthropic nature, especially here in Los Angeles. Starting with last year's $200 million donation to the UCLA School of Medicine, $2.5 million each to AIDS Project Los Angeles and Gay Men's Health Crisis in NYC, plus $1.4 million to AIDS Action in DC. In addition to this, from 1992-1997 his foundation donated more than $21 million to charities such as the National Breast Cancer Foundation, St. Jude's Foundation, the Mayo Clinic, and the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation among many other heath and human services organizations. Here in Los Angeles, besides the staggering award to UCLA, we are especially grateful to the have the Geffen Playhouse at UCLA and the Geffen Contemporary at the Museum of Contemporary Art. Both arts organizations were awarded $5 million each from Geffen's foundation. Is it egocentric that perhaps he tied donations to having these institutions named for him? Sure. Anyone ever heard of the new Disney Concert Hall, the Getty, Whitney, or the Guggenheim? Small price to pay. Geffen certainly holds his own or exceeds many of our nation's wealthiest in terms of his remarkable and appreciated philanthropy. So, even though he probably won't, I hope he gets some dough off the box set. Part of it seems to come back. Give the guy some credit. He certainly doesn't deserve a kick in the shins. Coyote Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:27:53 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN I think it's even a career-killer. Imagine people buying this box set as Christmas gifts and the recipients thinking, hey, Joni Mitchell isn't as great as I thought she was. Did Joni have any say about this release, or is it all David Geffen's doing? At 02:45 PM 8/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: >This is NOT the box set Joni should be doing, it's downright >ridiculous! > >Bob - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:53:36 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: The Last Time... Oh no that bits great and it just comes from nowhere. Joni has such wit. She has sung/spoke that bit different on every version I have noted. PS: I am also a Joni completes - I will even eventually get this new Geffen box set. Steve NP: Daisy Dead Petals -Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" To: "StephenToogood" ; "Joni List" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: RE: TLOG & BSN > I pretty much agree with you, Stephen. I hadn't been expecting to like TLOG > either, and I liked some of it a great deal. I'm a Joni completist, just as > I'm a Neil Young completist, but I've actually enjoyed some of these > performances. Since you mention "Last Time I Saw Richard" does anyone else > hate the nasal waitress in the Miles of Aisles version as much as I do? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > > StephenToogood > > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 1:40 PM > > To: Joni List > > Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN > > > > > > "Richard Flynn" wrote: > > > NOthing is so torturous as the cd Both Sides Now, especially the 2 Joni > > > songs. Travelogue is a masterpiece compared to that. > > > > Oh I totaly agree with that. BSN in my eyes is one of Joni's worst albums. > > I do really like TLOG and was so surprised because I wasn't expecting to. > > I just think that TLOG would have been better on one disc. I definately > > would have cut 'The Circle Game' and 'Just Like This Train'. Way > > too slowed > > down! > > 'The Dawntreader', 'The Last Time I Saw Richard' and 'God Must > > Be A Boogie > > Man' however, I think are great 're-makes'. > > > > Steve > > > > NP: Yes, Anastasia - Tori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:47:13 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) mike pritchard wrote: >>Like Bree, I don't have any fears per se either. Should I be worried about this?<< Catherine answered >>I think you people are in serious denial. Maybe you're afraid to admit you're afraid of anything!<< Or maybe I'm afraid to admit I'm in denial... mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:51:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The Last Time... doesn't joni sound like bugs bunny on that bit? i have always wondered why a waitress would sound like that. was she doing any special accent or was it a bugs bunny impersonation? wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:35:17 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Off for the weekend (njc) Heading out for the annual Georgia Reunion and Goodtime Boogie #15. This year its outside of Asheville in the mountains. Three days of camping, music, swimming, wine, food, etc....probably around 600 people will be there. Check back in on Tuesday. Hope everybody has a good holiday. Victor, trying hard to get out of town. Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:35:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Top 5 Selling Joni, this year On Amazon, the best-selling CDs (recently) by one Joni Mitchell are: 1 BLUE 2 hits 3 LADIES OF THE CANYON 4 COURT & SPARK 5 HEJIRA Hmmm. I guess when people think "hippie chick with a guitar" they think of "LADIES OF THE CANYON". I guess they don't think of her jazz-inflected era. Too bad for them. THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS is #10 in sales recently on Amazon for Joni. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:44:31 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: complete Geffen Recordings I'll pass unless it's available on DVD-Audio or SACD. In a year, I'll be able to buy the boxed set used, discounted all the way down to $50 anyway. :( What is it about boxed sets that makes them worth a premium price to hear stuff in the wrong context in a shape that can't be shelved? They don't even drop in value from what I've seen at the used CD store. On the other hand, they've had the same used boxed sets for years so they've obviously priced them wrong. I'm not the only one who's saying "no". Lama SCJoniGuy said, > Speaking about overpriced product from Joni, here's the cover > of the soon-to-be-released (September 23) Geffen boxset, priced > at a mere $53.98: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:50:31 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: complete Geffen Recordings It's a callous attempt to give people "a Joni boxed set". I imagine he'll sell them at the holidays to unknowledgeable but well-meaning spouses of fans. I can hear the refrain on Christmas morning: "Don't it always seem ta go- I can't find the receipt once the wrappings are gone!?" Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Speaking about overpriced product from Joni, here's > the cover > of the soon-to-be-released (September 23) Geffen > boxset, priced > at a mere $53.98: > > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C7PSH.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > Bob, looking inder the sofa cushions for spare > change > If that's the cover art, I like that, but can't tell if it's a photo or a painting by her highness. On the other hand, I'm not fond of the price, esp. when converted to Canadian $ if it's just a rehash of stuff I already have (with 2-3 extra songs on it.) Still, you could take that lovely art and frame it - so it's not a bad price to pay for art. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fw: squishing crawly things, now Joni content YAY! --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Who said bugs couldn't be poetic? > > Hey, what about in "River"..."I could teach my feet > to FLY"? ;~) > OK, I guess the judges won't give me that one. In my dreams, we fly? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:59:29 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: How a hacker looks up the lyrics, jc in my opinion Like most web programmers, Les has named his pages very logically and simply. The main lyrics page is simply: www.jmdl.com/lyrics To look up the lyrics to "TALK TO ME", he just adds the song title without spaces and a .cfm extension. So the address is www.jmdl.com/lyrics/talktome.cfm Piece of cake. Lama I'm not labelling this as Not-Joni-Content in the hopes that some Joni fan in publishing will step forward and bankroll my book project. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) --- dsk wrote: > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > > I don['t have any fears per se...BUT I do get a > little melancholy when Fall > > rolls around. > > Me too. Years ago I thought it was because it > triggered emotional > memories of winter and being stuck inside the house, > and I dreaded that. > Then I read about the weak winter sunlight and how > that can cause some > people to be depressed. Then a couple years ago I > realized my melancholy > feeling started early, about this time of year so > way before winter's > actually here, and that once the cold weather is > here I feel fine. So > now I'm thinking it starts when the weather changes > enough so that it's > still extremely hot during the day, but the nights > are getting cool, and > that triggers some physical reaction, like an > allergy would. A friend > suggested that there may be something in the air > during this time that's > affecting me. Minor post-nasal drip starts and then > I feel generally > lousy. So I'm thinking now that it's a physical > reaction, rather than > something emotional, and that makes it much easier > to deal with because > I know once it's cold all the time I'll be feeling > better. You could be allergic to grass pollen or leaf mold. I'm allergic to just about anything that floats in the air, but grass pollen is the worst (especially in August) and southern Ontario is a terrible place for allergies - I never had them as a kid but, once we moved to the Toronto area, that was it for me. Once the frost comes, it kills all that stuff (then there's only ubiquitous dust to contend with.) I find that when spring starts to come, and then again in late fall/early summer, I feel sleepy a lot. I've always been convinced that it's some change in the light - the angle of the sun, or whatever. I've noticed just in the last week or two that the light is a lot different, especially in the afternoon. I feel like having a nap every afternoon! After a few weeks, that feeling passes - it's almost like some kind of jet lag effect. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Computer mystery NJC --- dsk wrote: > Catherine, getting a Mac is a good idea, but moving > your children to Bob > Murphy's house is really the BEST idea. You can then > have an "ungunked > up" computer and Bob, though still old, would not be > alone, so there's > one of his fears gone, and they'd probably laugh at > all his jokes (as I > do). I picture much joy. Plus he'd probably be > willing and able and > happy to buy each of them their very own computer. > So, sounds like a > plan to me... That sounds like a win/win solution to me. Move over, Murphy! I'm comin' home! (P.S., I like to sleep with the windows open.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) --- mike pritchard wrote: > mike pritchard wrote: > > >>Like Bree, I don't have any fears per se either. > Should I be worried about > this?<< > > Catherine answered > >>I think you people are in serious denial. Maybe > you're afraid to admit > you're afraid of anything!<< > > Or maybe I'm afraid to admit I'm in denial... > mike Maybe you have... phobiaphobia! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:08:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Off for the weekend (njc) --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Heading out for the annual Georgia Reunion and > Goodtime Boogie #15. This > year its outside of Asheville in the mountains. > Three days of camping, > music, swimming, wine, food, etc....probably around > 600 people will be > there. > > Check back in on Tuesday. Hope everybody has a good > holiday. > > Victor, trying hard to get out of town. GET outta town, Victor - and have fun! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:14:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bashing Geffen (NJC) >Give the guy >some credit. He certainly doesn't deserve a kick in the shins. You're spot on there, Rick...I take it back. And if my ignorance got a post from you and helped me to be better informed, so much the better! :~) Thanks for the information, it's great to see somebody giving back. Bob NP: Lucinda Williams, "Lake Charles" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:25:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Just how much good stuff is on the jmdl site, and revisiting "The Jungle Line" thread My dear listers, and listeners, I've been on a nostalgia kick and went through some of the big threads (is a big thread a yarn?) posted on www.jmdl.com (Hi, Les). Not only do we sometimes not know what we've got 'til it's gone, some of us don't even know what we have when it's right there in front of our faces. I never really realized or appreciated just what a wealth of information and feckin' good stuff Les has posted on the jmdl. I often don't even have time to look through it, but things have been strangely quiet at work and I've been a bit lethargic. It's that approaching-fall thing, I think, and I also know things are going to heat up a lot once Labour Day's behind us). So, with my boss and quite a few of my staff away (and hence, not there bugging me with inane questions, along the lines of, "What do I do with this, Catherine?" and me trying to hold myself in check and not tell them what I'd REALLY like them to do with it... I've been spending time at the Y and browing around the site. I've just finished reading, and enjoying, the thread/yarn/ball of wool, dealing with "The Jungle Line". This goes back to March and April of 1999 which is probably before i joined the list, so I missed it the first time. If you want to read it (and I recommend it) here's where you can find the whole thing: http://www.jmdl.com/th-jungleline.cfm Who is "Tube"? Is he still around? I remember the name and that's he's a Brit, but that's about it. Here's some great stuff from him -(you've got to love this!). He's talking about how "Hissing" is a whole story possibly of one woman's life. This is so witty and entertaining, poetic and downright funny. Here's Tube: "After graduating she probably returned to Paris to dissappear into the steamy 50's jungle of Le Jazz Hot, or a recreation of it somewhere down deep inside New York Beat Village. For a club with a jungle scene on the walls, jungle music funnels from the cracks. Black faces suck and blow smoke and spit through weed and brass. Striped T shirts mingle with olive and rust rough-silk shifts and sweat against the Rousseau jungle walls and wires and pipes and potted palms. Any eye for detail could see a little lace between the seams but for the time being she will slum it with some artist who paints a palm-strewn path of apes and tigers through the vertical shadows of xyla-vibra-tigraphone and weeping sax. Poppy poison, poppy tourniquet. "Horns like drinking tusks and stripes of ivory and ebony glimpsed through stripey gaps in white and blonde dancing bodies and oiled and shining flashing black blue brown skin and flailing pernod gold glistening unshaven underarm dripping dark pits of continental hair slither against and around and under and over her and away on grass like mouthpiece spit. "Rousseau paints a jungle flower behind her ear. Is she in front of the painting, or merged into it? Does the painting fill her mind or does she step into it. Is the paint on her skin or on the walls? Is she painted green, painted black or painted tiger? Is the painter Rousseau or just a copier of Rousseau? It hardly matters, her experience of life in this phase is so intense, driven, dark and foreign force primeval. "She wakes up one Chelsea morning ten streets uptown with a crashing headache." ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Which Joni for Guitar Work? --- kh012f5050 wrote: > > I just love that guitar 'snap' on For The Roses. > I'm a useless guitarist > (Barre chords? No chance!), so I've no idea of the > song's technical merit, > but I'd dearly love to be able to play it myself. I'm not fond of barre chords either. I have some carpal tunnel syndrome and barre chords really bother it. Twisting my left hand into odd shapes to make chords doesn't but barre chords do. I don't understand it, but there you have it. It's just one of the many weird things about CTS which bothers me if I have my hands at certain angles but otherwise, not. "For the roses", thankfully, doesn't have any barre chords, or very few. I play the thing myself, but unless I'm actually doing it, I don't remember - it's just something that happens. It's a fun song to play, so I highly recommend it - the "snappy" bits are fun too. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:31:28 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Forwarding Wally's NJC Hi, dears! Excuse me if forwarding Wally's posts they appear simply as written by me. It's a matter of automatic forwarding, so I guess I'll stop doing that... and I'll forward them more consciously: I'm impending ;-) Yours: Emiliano NP: Cesaria Evora: Papa Joachim Paris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:34:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: PWWM (was: Which Joni for Guitar Work?) Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether Going with a MAC will solve 99% of your problems and none of those pesky Microsoft viruses. I have been a loyal MAC use since the Apple 512. I HAVE to use a PC clone at work and I always have headaches with it. Besides MACs are so easy. System X by the way is amazing. It makes everything so easy to keep fotos and music in order. You can get an I MAC for around $800 US clams right now. The full blown G5 start at 1995 which is amazing for the fastest machine in the world. Machael Paz > Has anyone had any experience with leasing? Maybe I > should go with a Mac too, for that matter. I am so fed > up with anything Microsoft. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether --- Michael Paz wrote: > Going with a MAC will solve 99% of your problems and > none of those pesky > Microsoft viruses. I have been a loyal MAC use since > the Apple 512. I HAVE > to use a PC clone at work and I always have > headaches with it. When I set out to buy a computer, I WAS going to get a Mac, but I decided to go PC because that's what we use at work and that's what the kids have at school (come to think of it, I think in my son's elementary school, they use Macs, but at Sarah's high school, they have PCs), so I thought it would be easier all around to go PC. But from my own experience with PCs and from what I've heard about Macs.... I shoulda boughta Mac! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:46:46 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: complete Geffen Recordings (SJC) (S for slight). You're so right about the pricing of these things new and used. But there are some great boxed sets: the Byrds was early & still great. Harry Smith's anthology. Broadside anthology. Robert Johnson for the alternate takes. Lesser but interesting: Buffalo Springfield, Jimi Hendrix. For the most part, though they're as big a rip-off as this forthcoming Joni set. Well--maybe not. NP: Volunteers--Jefferson Airplane on my original vinyl with the BIG peanut butter & jelly sandwich. Worth it for the art alone! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lama, > Jim L'Hommedieu > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:45 PM > To: _JMDL; Bob Muller > Subject: complete Geffen Recordings > > > I'll pass unless it's available on DVD-Audio or SACD. In a year, I'll be > able to buy the boxed set used, discounted all the way down to $50 anyway. > :( > > What is it about boxed sets that makes them worth a premium price to hear > stuff in the wrong context in a shape that can't be shelved? They don't > even drop in value from what I've seen at the used CD store. On the other > hand, they've had the same used boxed sets for years so they've obviously > priced them wrong. I'm not the only one who's saying "no". > > Lama > > SCJoniGuy said, > > Speaking about overpriced product from Joni, here's the cover > > of the soon-to-be-released (September 23) Geffen boxset, priced > > at a mere $53.98: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:27:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN Richard Flynn wrote: > I pretty much agree with you, Stephen. I hadn't been expecting to like TLOG > either, and I liked some of it a great deal. I'm a Joni completist, just as > I'm a Neil Young completist, but I've actually enjoyed some of these > performances. Since you mention "Last Time I Saw Richard" does anyone else > hate the nasal waitress in the Miles of Aisles version as much as I do? An annoyingly flat-footed and out-of-place attempt at humor IMO. Re: Neil Young- what do you think of Greendale? RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:51:39 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN It's a photo. It appeared on an album cover that I won at last year's Jonifest. I'm not sure about the history of the LP. It must have been a limited edition type thing because there are only 5 songs on it. > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Speaking about > overpriced product from Joni, here's > > the cover > > of the soon-to-be-released (September 23) Geffen > > boxset, priced > > at a mere $53.98: > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C7PSH.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > > > Bob, looking inder the sofa cushions for spare > > change > > > > If that's the cover art, I like that, but can't tell > if it's a photo or a painting by her highness. > ===== > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:47:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Neil Young's Greendale concert on TV -njc For those with DirecTV, it will be on every weekend in Sept- a show taped in Britain. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:37:29 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: TLOG & BSN Richard writes: << Since you mention "Last Time I Saw Richard" does anyone else hate the nasal waitress in the Miles of Aisles version as much as I do? >> YES!!! Joni is at her most amusing when she's not trying very hard to be funny, such as in interviews. In this case, it's totally out of the mood of the rest of the song. She does it in one other song that I can't think of now. For me, the only time she puts on a voice that works is in "Furry" ("I don't like you"). --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:15:08 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #432 In a message dated 8/29/2003 3:18:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: >> Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com Is it too late for me to sign up? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:18:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: the book swap list (NJC) Lovely Lit'ry Lieve writes: << Most of us felt that we wanted to give all the books a try (unless we had read them already, like the blue bookworm sitting to my left! :-) ) >> I lied, Lieve. I only read a few. Here are my capsule Smurf reviews: A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole ONE BLUE THUMB UP: I read it so long ago I am probably due for a reread, since so many people love this book. But so many people raved about it before I read it, I was let down. The Blackwater Lightship by Colm Toibin ONE BLUE THUMB UP: The book Catherine bright which I chose. I liked it okay, and then I let a 20-something Irish woman friend of mine borrow it. Last I heard she was loving it and brought it on vacation this past week to South Beach. (Sometimes the Irish just don't get it . . . FLORIDA in August? The Commitments by Roddy Doyle ALL BLUE APPENDAGES UP: The best novel ever written about making popular music, in my opinion. It was the book I brought and Donna chose it. I hope she's loving it half as much as I did. I reread it every couple of years to remind myself how simple great writing can be. The Shipping News by Annie Proulx HALF A BLUE THUMB UP: What am I missing with Annie? The critics and many readers love her, but she leaves me cold. Portnoy's Complaint by Philip Roth TWO BLUE LIVER-SPOTTED THUMBS UP: I read it when I was about 16, so I am not sure how well it has aged, but my guess is that it's an American classic by now. Liver has never tasted the same since I read this! The Jungle by Upton Sinclair TWO MEATY BLUE THUMBS UP: I love a good story about meatpacking! Also read this when I was a teenager, but it's another American classic fer sure. The Poisonwood Bible by Barbara Kingsolver ONE BLUE NILE THUMB UP: I suppose this is considered Barbara's magnum opus, but I have enjoyed a few of her other books much more. Learned a lot about atrocious Euro behavior in Africa, though! To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee TWO BLUE THUMBS UP: Speaking of American classics. The God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy ONE BLUE FINGER NAIL UP: I thought I would love this and I didn't. I remember some "facts" being out of whack, which always makes me bluer in the face. But many people love this one too, so what do I know? Thanks, Lieve, for posting this list. There were so many to choose from the day of the swap I felt like a starving carnivore in a butcher shop. I especially want to read the books Chuck and Dutch John brought, so I'll check those out next. (Motherless Brooklyn by Jonathan Lethem and An Interrupted Life by Etty Hillesum). --Bob, now reading The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon and loving it (Thanks, Ric!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:29:21 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: squishing crawly things, now Joni content YAY! Kerry sez: << >Joni is buggier than I thought! :~) >> ANd fdon't forget there are TWO dragonflies -- one on the Pan Am roof and the one inside a jar. --Bob, wondering if the NRH crickets count ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:37:14 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Computer mystery NJC Debra writes: << Catherine, getting a Mac is a good idea, but moving your children to Bob Murphy's house is really the BEST idea >> But I don't speak Canadian! << I recently received one of those "can't deliver" messages regarding an email. >> Me too, and I also have a Mac, so I don't understand. << I'm wondering if anyone here has ever received an unexpected message with me as the sender >> Just the one offering to *reduce* my penis size, Debra. (Or was that a a private, off-list e-mail?) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:53:35 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #432 - Adam's question I must admit to not being very familiar with 'later Joni'. Should I prepare myself for a shock in terms of how much damage the cigs have done to her voice? Adam You just opened Pandora's can of worms. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:56:01 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Tori Amos NJC I am watching a Tori Amos concert on PBS. Two things: I'm embarrassed to say I've never really given her any attention before. She's fantastic. More like Kate Bush than Joni, I would say, though she cites Joni as her major influence. OK, that was three things. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:06:14 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Top 5 Selling Joni, this year "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > I guess they don't think of her jazz-inflected era. Too bad for them. THE > HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS is #10 in sales recently on Amazon for Joni. Yes that is a shame. I'm guessing this has something to do with THOSL not even getting a mention on WOHAM. That still baffles me! I think THOSL probably does better here in the UK than say C&S but I reckon the top 3 would still be the same. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:10:45 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Tori Amos NJC She is fabulous! Her first 3 albums are classics in my mind and the latest; 'Scarlet's Walk' was a near return to form. She has covered Joni's 'A Case Of You' and performed 'River' live a few times. If you buy a first Tori album I suggest 'Little Earthquakes'. Steve - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:56 AM Subject: Tori Amos NJC > I am watching a Tori Amos concert on PBS. Two things: I'm embarrassed to say > I've never really given her any attention before. She's fantastic. More like > Kate Bush than Joni, I would say, though she cites Joni as her major influence. > OK, that was three things. > > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:40:57 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Bashing Geffen (NJC) Hiya Rick! You've made some very good points about Geffen. I've nicked him here a bit, too, but had not considered the other side of his truly staggering charitable contributions to Los Angeles. I enjoy the Geffen Contemporary downtown frequently and have always been grateful that the UCLA Medical Center (recently ranked right behind Mayo Clinic and Johns Hopkins as tops in the U.S.) is nearby and available in a worst case health sceanario. Also, Geffen did sell his record company to MCA (now Universal Music Group) back in around 1991 so it is Universal who is making the profits from the new release. Kakki NP: Joni in the Sing Out sessions - Just Like Me (Beautiful - thanks to Bob and Simon!!) JFP: The Byrds weed (which is *incredible* - thanks to Paz and JVT!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:57:02 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 30 1969: Joni opens for Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=153 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:57:02 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 30 On August 30 the following articles were published: 1970: "Isle of Wight Festival Turns Slightly Discordant" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=806 1974: "Joni Mitchell in the Rain" - Boston Globe (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=761 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #433 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)