From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #430 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 29 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 430 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- weather talk and phobias (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Singer Janis Ian weds njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Singer Janis Ian weds njc ["StephenToogood" ] RE: Passion Play, now NRH songs ["Richard Flynn" ] FW: weather talk and phobias (NJC) (for aol members) [Emiliano ] King Of Pain checks in, njc [] Re: King Of Pain checks in, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Adam, Eve, etc. (NJC) [] My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #429 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Harleys, Harleys everywhere! NJC ["kerry" ] More Janis Ian news NJC [Deb Messling ] magdalene laundries NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether [Catherine McKay ] Which Joni for Guitar Work? [Lindsay Moon ] Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether [vince ] Re: Now: kids -- njc altogether [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:04:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: weather talk and phobias (NJC) most of you know that i suffer from some kind of summer-phobia. the mere mention of spring makes me depressed. it is so baffling! everybody's waiting for the warm weather to come and i am praying that winter will last for ever. my analyst said something about the origin of my phobia but i forget what it was. this year i am particularly fearful because of the unusually hot summer that europeans have had. i am pestering the national weather service with questions about what our summer will be like. they've been very kind so far though they're beginning to sound like they're humoring me. oh well, a phobia is a phobia, dude. i am irrational, sue me. i was wondering what kind of silly or not so silly fears other people might have. to begin with, is there anybody who feels so terrible about warm weather as i do? if not, what kind of irrational fears do you have? you may have an irrational fear of questions about your irrational fears, of course. in that case, ignore this post. wally, out for a brisk walk in the middle of a gale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:53:19 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Singer Janis Ian weds njc Singer Janis Ian Weds Same-Sex Partner in Toronto Wed August 27, 2003 08:25 PM ET LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - American singer-songwriter Janis Ian, famed for the Grammy-winning tune "At Seventeen," married her lesbian partner in Toronto on Wednesday, her publicist said. Ian, 52, and Nashville attorney Patricia Snyder, her partner of 14 years, tied the knot during a brief civil ceremony at Toronto's city hall, according to a statement from Tamara Saviano. It was the second marriage for both. The ceremony was attended by a few close friends. Saviano said there were no plans for a honeymoon as Ian is working on a live CD set for release in October and a studio album for early 2004. Canada plans to legalize gay marriage following a landmark ruling in June when an Ontario court decreed as unconstitutional the definition of marriage as a union between a man and woman. The federal government signaled its acceptance of gay marriage a week later when it decided not to appeal. Ian, born Janis Eddy Fink in New York City, wrote her first hit, "Society's Child," when she was 14. The controversial saga of interracial love hit No. 14 on the U.S. pop charts in 1967. She returned to the forefront in 1975 with a million-selling album and Grammy-winning single "At Seventeen." - -------- End of forwarded message -------- +++++++++ King Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!!! How Radio is done. No brag, just fact. kingdaevid@jvlnet.com heard on The Edge 91.7 WSUW Whitewater WI - -- This is message #5698. ********** To post, send mail to . To unsubscribe, send mail to . (This may fail if your address has changed since you signed up; if so, or for other assistance, contact .) For information about other lists, or to create and manage a list on a topic that interests you, see for details. - - Help keep QueerNet and OPG lists on the air and advertising-free -- see to donate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:06:22 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Singer Janis Ian weds njc Oh that's great news! I heard that it was happening but didn't think it was so soon. "We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall" True but now everyone's entitled to one! Steve NP: Watercolors - Janis Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Joni" Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Singer Janis Ian weds njc > Singer Janis Ian Weds Same-Sex Partner in Toronto > Wed August 27, 2003 08:25 PM ET > > > > > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - American singer-songwriter Janis Ian, famed for > the > Grammy-winning tune "At Seventeen," married her lesbian partner in > Toronto on > Wednesday, her publicist said. > Ian, 52, and Nashville attorney Patricia Snyder, her partner of 14 > years, > tied the knot during a brief civil ceremony at Toronto's city hall, > according to > a statement from Tamara Saviano. It was the second marriage for both. > The ceremony was attended by a few close friends. Saviano said there > were no > plans for a honeymoon as Ian is working on a live CD set for release in > October and a studio album for early 2004. > Canada plans to legalize gay marriage following a landmark ruling in > June > when an Ontario court decreed as unconstitutional the definition of > marriage as > a > union between a man and woman. The federal government signaled its > acceptance > of gay marriage a week later when it decided not to appeal. > Ian, born Janis Eddy Fink in New York City, wrote her first hit, > "Society's > Child," when she was 14. The controversial saga of interracial love hit > No. 14 > on the U.S. pop charts in 1967. She returned to the forefront in 1975 > with a > million-selling album and Grammy-winning single "At Seventeen." > > > > > > -------- End of forwarded message -------- > > > +++++++++ > > King Daevid MacKenzie, UltimaJock!!! > How Radio is done. No brag, just fact. > kingdaevid@jvlnet.com > heard on The Edge 91.7 WSUW Whitewater WI > > > > > -- > This is message #5698. > ********** > > To post, send mail to . > To unsubscribe, send mail to . > (This may fail if your address has changed since you signed > up; if so, or for other assistance, contact > .) > > For information about other lists, or to create and manage a list on > a topic that interests you, see for > details. > - > Help keep QueerNet and OPG lists on the air and advertising-free -- > see to donate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:24:31 -0500 From: "Emily M. Griskavich" Subject: Cafeteria Catholicism njc >Catholicism > > in developed countries has led to the > > "cafeteria-style" brand of American > > Catholicism where people don't take what the church > > says as, well, gospel once > > they have a little bit of education. The church > > isn't used to a lot of > > questioning and that's exactly what they're getting > > from Catholic people who don't like > > the way they operate. > >Personally, I love cafeterias. There's so much choice. >Let's open a new church called the Holy Cafeteria and >see how many people show up - we serve up religion >like you likes it! >If the religion is as bad as the food is at the high school where I work, >nobody's going to show up for mass. > >Actually, when my church was being remodeled, mass was held in the church >basement, which was also the parochial school's cafeteria. My sister and >I had a joke that they would bless some fake mashed potatoes and slop them >onto trays with that huge spoon..."body of Christ"...SPLAT......"body of >Christ"...SPLAT......"body of Christ"...SPLAT...and then ask us if we >wanted chocolate or 2% holy water!--EG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:30:12 +0100 From: "StephenToogood" Subject: Re: Passion Play, now NRH songs Bob wrote: > Yeah, those 2 songs to me are strong lyrically, but musically > there's not much there for me to hang my hat on. Come In From > The Cold has the more accessible melody, but over the course > of the long song it becomes a bit tedious, with the title line > being repeated so much it dilutes some of the truly great lyrics > in the song, like: > > "The world held promise > For a slave to liberty > Freely I slaved away for something better > And I was bought and sold" > > A clever transition from her young dreams to her later reality; > > "And they hawk-eyed us from the sidelines > Holding their rulers without a heart > And so with just a touch of our fingers > I could make our circuitry explode" > > This verse just brings up such specific pictures and conveys a > feeling that is so strong, as does: > > "I feel your leg under the table > Leaning into mine" > > Joni has such a good way of explaining a FEELING that we can > all instantly identify with. Maybe if she had canned the "chorus" > in the song ala "Song For Sharon" and just let it roll from > verse to verse it would be less tedious for me. Yes I never thought of that, it probably would have worked better. I wonder if when writing the song she had it in mind as a single which of course it was. Lots of people dislike songs without choruses but of course they don't 'get' Joni. 'For The Roses', 'Shades Of Scarlet Conquering'...actually a whole lot of Joni songs don't have choruses and they are masterpieces. Joni songs like 'The Circle Game' I can't listen to as often because the choruses to tend to get a bit repetative (TLOG vers is pure torture!) . > As for "The Windfall", you're right...you almost have to laugh > to deal with the vitriol in there...as much as DED was an angry > record, I don't know as Joni has ever written anything as > incendiary as: > > "Oh I'm tangled in your lies > Your scam > Your spider web > Spit spun between the trees > Doors slam > You want my head > You'd eat your young alive > For a jaguar in the drive" > > I just wish the song was more interesting musically...it's one > of the songs where the melody is so inaccessible that the only > way you can sing it is to sing ALONG with it. It does seem a bit 'gappy' but musicaly I find it quite interesting. The bass is great and I don't even mind the synth. I do love 'Two Grey Rooms' but the structure seems very weird to me! Anyone else feel that? Steve NP: Between The Lines - Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:39:19 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Passion Play, now NRH songs OK, I've wracked my brain, what is TLOG? "For the Roses" is a masterpiece, but I'd say that "Shades of Scarlet Conquering" falls short since it engages in Southern stereotypes to make its point. (Musically,it's beautiful--and actually I'm a trasplanted yankee). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > StephenToogood > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:30 PM > To: Joni List > Subject: Re: Passion Play, now NRH songs > > > Bob wrote: > > Yeah, those 2 songs to me are strong lyrically, but musically > > there's not much there for me to hang my hat on. Come In From > > The Cold has the more accessible melody, but over the course > > of the long song it becomes a bit tedious, with the title line > > being repeated so much it dilutes some of the truly great lyrics > > in the song, like: > > > > "The world held promise > > For a slave to liberty > > Freely I slaved away for something better > > And I was bought and sold" > > > > A clever transition from her young dreams to her later reality; > > > > "And they hawk-eyed us from the sidelines > > Holding their rulers without a heart > > And so with just a touch of our fingers > > I could make our circuitry explode" > > > > This verse just brings up such specific pictures and conveys a > > feeling that is so strong, as does: > > > > "I feel your leg under the table > > Leaning into mine" > > > > Joni has such a good way of explaining a FEELING that we can > > all instantly identify with. Maybe if she had canned the "chorus" > > in the song ala "Song For Sharon" and just let it roll from > > verse to verse it would be less tedious for me. > > Yes I never thought of that, it probably would have worked > better. I wonder > if when writing the song she had it in mind as a single which of course it > was. Lots of people dislike songs without choruses but of course > they don't > 'get' Joni. 'For The Roses', 'Shades Of Scarlet Conquering'...actually a > whole lot of Joni songs don't have choruses and they are > masterpieces. Joni > songs like 'The Circle Game' I can't listen to as often because > the choruses > to tend to get a bit repetative (TLOG vers is pure torture!) . > > > As for "The Windfall", you're right...you almost have to laugh > > to deal with the vitriol in there...as much as DED was an angry > > record, I don't know as Joni has ever written anything as > > incendiary as: > > > > "Oh I'm tangled in your lies > > Your scam > > Your spider web > > Spit spun between the trees > > Doors slam > > You want my head > > You'd eat your young alive > > For a jaguar in the drive" > > > > I just wish the song was more interesting musically...it's one > > of the songs where the melody is so inaccessible that the only > > way you can sing it is to sing ALONG with it. > > It does seem a bit 'gappy' but musicaly I find it quite interesting. The > bass is great and I don't even mind the synth. > > I do love 'Two Grey Rooms' but the structure seems very weird to me! > Anyone else feel that? > > Steve > > NP: Between The Lines - Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:45:17 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Passion Play, now NRH songs Never mind, you mean Travelogue version of "The Circle Game," right? NOthing is so torturous as the cd Both Sides Now, especially the 2 Joni songs. Travelogue is a masterpiece compared to that. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Richard Flynn > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:39 PM > To: StephenToogood; Joni List > Subject: RE: Passion Play, now NRH songs > > > OK, I've wracked my brain, what is TLOG? "For the Roses" is a > masterpiece, > but I'd say that "Shades of Scarlet Conquering" falls short since > it engages > in Southern stereotypes to make its point. (Musically,it's beautiful--and > actually I'm a trasplanted yankee). > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > > StephenToogood > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:30 PM > > To: Joni List > > Subject: Re: Passion Play, now NRH songs > > > > > > Bob wrote: > > > Yeah, those 2 songs to me are strong lyrically, but musically > > > there's not much there for me to hang my hat on. Come In From > > > The Cold has the more accessible melody, but over the course > > > of the long song it becomes a bit tedious, with the title line > > > being repeated so much it dilutes some of the truly great lyrics > > > in the song, like: > > > > > > "The world held promise > > > For a slave to liberty > > > Freely I slaved away for something better > > > And I was bought and sold" > > > > > > A clever transition from her young dreams to her later reality; > > > > > > "And they hawk-eyed us from the sidelines > > > Holding their rulers without a heart > > > And so with just a touch of our fingers > > > I could make our circuitry explode" > > > > > > This verse just brings up such specific pictures and conveys a > > > feeling that is so strong, as does: > > > > > > "I feel your leg under the table > > > Leaning into mine" > > > > > > Joni has such a good way of explaining a FEELING that we can > > > all instantly identify with. Maybe if she had canned the "chorus" > > > in the song ala "Song For Sharon" and just let it roll from > > > verse to verse it would be less tedious for me. > > > > Yes I never thought of that, it probably would have worked > > better. I wonder > > if when writing the song she had it in mind as a single which > of course it > > was. Lots of people dislike songs without choruses but of course > > they don't > > 'get' Joni. 'For The Roses', 'Shades Of Scarlet > Conquering'...actually a > > whole lot of Joni songs don't have choruses and they are > > masterpieces. Joni > > songs like 'The Circle Game' I can't listen to as often because > > the choruses > > to tend to get a bit repetative (TLOG vers is pure torture!) . > > > > > As for "The Windfall", you're right...you almost have to laugh > > > to deal with the vitriol in there...as much as DED was an angry > > > record, I don't know as Joni has ever written anything as > > > incendiary as: > > > > > > "Oh I'm tangled in your lies > > > Your scam > > > Your spider web > > > Spit spun between the trees > > > Doors slam > > > You want my head > > > You'd eat your young alive > > > For a jaguar in the drive" > > > > > > I just wish the song was more interesting musically...it's one > > > of the songs where the melody is so inaccessible that the only > > > way you can sing it is to sing ALONG with it. > > > > It does seem a bit 'gappy' but musicaly I find it quite interesting. The > > bass is great and I don't even mind the synth. > > > > I do love 'Two Grey Rooms' but the structure seems very weird to me! > > Anyone else feel that? > > > > Steve > > > > NP: Between The Lines - Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:31:07 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: FW: weather talk and phobias (NJC) (for aol members) Wally wrote: most of you know that i suffer from some kind of summer-phobia. the mere mention of spring makes me depressed. it is so baffling! everybody's waiting for the warm weather to come and i am praying that winter will last for ever. my analyst said something about the origin of my phobia but i forget what it was. this year i am particularly fearful because of the unusually hot summer that europeans have had. i am pestering the national weather service with questions about what our summer will be like. they've been very kind so far though they're beginning to sound like they're humoring me. oh well, a phobia is a phobia, dude. i am irrational, sue me. i was wondering what kind of silly or not so silly fears other people might have. to begin with, is there anybody who feels so terrible about warm weather as i do? if not, what kind of irrational fears do you have? you may have an irrational fear of questions about your irrational fears, of course. in that case, ignore this post. wally, out for a brisk walk in the middle of a gale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:04:27 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Passion Play Hi, Steve! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "StephenToogood" > Wow! Thanks to everyone who helped me with this question... > Emiliano, Emi & Bill B. (Emiliano:) Emiliano & Emi (HMV) are really the same person: I've get to know him more'n more through all these (42) years! BTW: who is Bill B.? Excuse me William but I can't remember your posts. > Bob's post especially made a lot of sense to me. (E:) In fact, I *love* Hell's post about it, too! [...] > It really is amazing how much thought Joni puts into her lyrics and on how > many levels they work. I love this woman! (E:) Yes, I agree: it's amazing how a sublime song like this works: First, I was hooked with its percussion; it's really mesmerizing... maybe it's the tenth world or the easiness at body I feel: I don't know for sure. Then, the singing: one of these Joni moments ("Best bit of Joni singing?". on JMDL while festinos laughed & worshipped in joy) is for me "this diver of the heart" Wow! I go crazy, I fall to pieces! to be continued... Yours: Emiliano PS: among NRH's "three most" is Slouching Towards Bethlehem, for sure! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:19:41 -0400 From: Subject: King Of Pain checks in, njc Today, I'm writing in the guise of the King Of Pain, the depression survivor. That means it's time for my twice annual post about depression. Ya know what works? What really, really works? Vigorous exercise. Remember, that not everyone can exercise. My mother's in a wheelchair for example. In that way, the abilty to exercise is a gift. When you're stressed or feeling depression, think of exercise as your REWARD at the end of the day. If you can keep going for at least 1/2 hour, you just might feel the positive benefits that I enjoyed on Tuesday. Man, I was long overdue and completely stressed out. At the end of a solid hour, I felt great. I mean GREAT. Best of all I slept very soundly, which is a miracle during our busy season at work. Exercise is drug-free and free-of-charge too. During 10 years of counseling and meds for depression, no one *ever* asked me about excercise. Children, this is a crime. Today's the first day of the rest of your life. I decided about a year ago to get rid of all my self-destructive habits and begin some healthy ones. The self-destructive habits are gone and this week, I'm getting back into regular exercise. Consider looking for a used stationary bike or NordicTrak from the Classified ads. Set it up in front of the stereo and/or TV and go four or five times per week. (The 'experts' say 20 minute 3 times per week is the minimum. That amount did nothing for me. 40-60 minutes works for me.) It's a very healthy way to de-stress. It really *IS* your reward at the end of the day. Yours in health, King Of Pain np: Carole King's "Way Over Yonder", I know, I know. It's totally predictable! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:29:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: King Of Pain checks in, njc >During 10 years of counseling and meds for depression, no one *ever* >asked me about excercise. Children, this is a crime. And why would they, Jim? You exercise, you feel better, you can drop them and their expensive solutions that keep you coming back for more...a wise lady once said "Doctor's pills give you brand new ills & their bills bury you like an avalanche". Congratulations and keep it up. I thought you looked great this year at fest, and I could tell that you'd stepped up the fitness. Feel the burn. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:32:17 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Adam, Eve, etc. (NJC) Yo, Hell! In sociology they talked about an idea that the opprssion of women didn't happen in Pioneer days when family farms were the way to survive. If the guy spends all day hunting and the women spend all day picking and canning, they're both "working" and both exhausted at the end of the day. In that setting, the over-simplification was that there was "more equality". (In the US, the women couldn't vote but hey, we're talking about day-to-day life.) When the mills kicked in, there were TONS of women working. Like you said, it was in that era when mechanization kicked in enough that societies had the 'one-worker' per family concept. Although it was perceived as "prosperity", it cut women off from the world of outside work, and the experiences of being among peers during the day. Anyway, that's the perspective of sociology. Interesting thread. Lama From: "hell" > Women's place in society has been subservient to men for a long period in history (and I do mean historially, not "now"), but I'm quite certain this wasn't always the case. So why did women become "second class citizens" - not allowed to work, not allowed in bars, not allowed to vote, etc., etc., etc.? I'm really thinking out loud here, but I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has any thoughts on these theories? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether My computer is being a real pain these days. I think my hard disc is going to crash & I've already spent a ton of money replacing the mother board and some other damn thing (yeah, blame the mother!) I got this guy in to fix it & it was working OK for a while, but the kids keep downloading crap that brings in all this pop-up ad software that I then try to find and uninstall or delete - but I can't always figure out where these things are hiding. Lately, every time I log into the internet, these stupid pop-up ads show up but I don't know where they're coming from. I'm sure it's because my daughter keeps downloading new versions of msn messenger and/or other add-ons to that. Has anyone else ever dealt with this? how do you get rid of this junk? Arrgggh! Not to mention the computer is just running really slowly these days (or maybe I just have no patience.) And I'm sure the computer knows I'm swearing at it and does this stuff just to annoy me even more. I'm seriously considering chucking it altogether and going with a leased one, because that way you know exactly how much you're paying each month & if it breaks, you don't need to worry about if something breaks down and you don't have to fork out a couple of hundred bucks to fix it. Has anyone had any experience with leasing? Maybe I should go with a Mac too, for that matter. I am so fed up with anything Microsoft. Sorry for the rant, peoples, but I just know someone out there can probably give me some good advice on this - someone always does. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:20:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Passion Play, now NRH songs --- Richard Flynn wrote: > OK, I've wracked my brain, what is TLOG? TLOG. Don't you love it? You've just reminded me of another phobia of mine - fear of acronyms and suchlike! TLOG is what some people call "Travelogue." Once again, don't you just love it? NOT! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:21:36 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #429 >>I'm no expert but do any of you guys think that Janis Ian should have made >that list?< Absolutely. Unfortunately, Janis is pretty much off the radar screen these days, and her more widely known work is from years ago, before her awesome guitar talents really began to show (in the mid-90s, I think). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:26:19 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether Catherine writes: > Sorry for the rant, peoples, but I just know someone > out there can probably give me some good advice on > this - someone always does. The answer is simple, Catherine! You've already identified your children as the source of this problem, so my advice is GET RID OF THEM! Maybe you can find a nice Catholic laundry that will take them in. What's more, you'll save lots of money on allowances and those hefty college tuitions that are looming on the not-too-distant horizon. Glad to help, - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:40:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether >Has anyone else ever dealt with this? how do you get >rid of this junk? Arrgggh! Catherine, You should be able to get to "My Computer" from your Start menu. You should have an option called "Add/Delete Programs" which will show every program (not every file) that's on your computer. From there you can delete the crap you don't want. Back when my son was loading up game after game on my computer, I told him that he had to uninstall one before he could load another one in. Don't know that he ever DID, but at least I told him! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:55:52 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Harleys, Harleys everywhere! NJC Milwaukee has gone absolutely crazy! It's the 100th birthday of the Harley Davidson company and they're expecting at least 200,000 riders to converge here from all over the U.S. and world. (I saw a group today with GB license plates....and saw on the news that a group from Japan charted a plane directly from Tokyo to Milwaukee!) I drove through downtown and there were entire streets lined with parked motorcycles and on the way home from work, the freeway was jammed with "pods" of riders. There are parties everywhere and they've built a miniature Harley city along the lakefront with huge tents and a massive stage. (There's supposed to be a surprise headliner and the rumors are flying as to who it is supposed to be.) Wynonna led a parade of Harley women today and Jay Leno and Peter Fonda are in town too. I don't live that close to the freeway, but I can hear a constant roaring sound! Milwaukee's finally a cool place to be! (Noisy, but cool!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:23:09 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: More Janis Ian news NJC That's great news about Janis's marriage. On another Janis Ian note, there's a new sci-fi/fantasy anthology out called Stars: Original Stories Based on the Songs of Janis Ian. It's getting very good reviews. Authors include Harry Turtledove and Orson Scott Card. What an interesting concept. Gee, can anyone imagine a collection of stories inspired by Joni's songs? At 04:53 PM 8/28/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Singer Janis Ian Weds Same-Sex Partner in Toronto >Wed August 27, 2003 08:25 PM ET > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:30:03 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: magdalene laundries NJC I don't know if this was mentioned in the discussion about the magdalene laundries, but a scholar whose historical work was cited by the writer of The Magdalene Sisters says that the film is incorrect in its focus on Catholicism; she says that Protestants ran these asylums, too, and were not unique to Ireland. Her book focused on Catholic and Protestant institutions in Scotland. See: http://www.uoguelph.ca/mediarel/archives/003158.html (see what I learn by helping patrons at the library reference desk) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:35:19 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) I don['t have any fears per se...BUT I do get a little melancholy when Fall rolls around. I come alive in the spring and especially the summer. I would say the opposite from you. I bet you love a good thunderstorm ..dark...windy?? Bree NP: Cheiftains..The Rose is Red..or Red is the Rose? >i was wondering what kind of silly or not so silly fears other people might >have. to begin with, is there anybody who feels so terrible about warm >weather as i do? if not, what kind of irrational fears do you have? you may >have an irrational fear of questions about your irrational fears, of >course. >in that case, ignore this post. >wally, out for a brisk walk in the middle of a gale _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:08:49 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) Spring is my favorite. I was born May 6 (1958), and I love spring. My least favorite time of year is right now- August. I live in Atlanta, and it's sauna bath time. Fall's fab, and I love winter, too, except for Christmastime, which is my other least favorite time of year. Christmas is a hassle. David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) > I don['t have any fears per se...BUT I do get a little melancholy when Fall > rolls around. I come alive in the spring and especially the summer. I > would say the opposite from you. I bet you love a good thunderstorm > ..dark...windy?? > > > Bree > > NP: Cheiftains..The Rose is Red..or Red is the Rose? > > > >i was wondering what kind of silly or not so silly fears other people might > >have. to begin with, is there anybody who feels so terrible about warm > >weather as i do? if not, what kind of irrational fears do you have? you may > >have an irrational fear of questions about your irrational fears, of > >course. > >in that case, ignore this post. > >wally, out for a brisk walk in the middle of a gale > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine writes: > > > Sorry for the rant, peoples, but I just know > someone > > out there can probably give me some good advice on > > this - someone always does. > > The answer is simple, Catherine! You've already > identified your children as the source of this > problem, so my advice is GET RID OF THEM! Maybe you > can find a nice Catholic laundry that will take them > in. What's more, you'll save lots of money on > allowances and those hefty college tuitions that are > looming on the not-too-distant horizon. > > Glad to help, > > --Bob You have a point, you twisted creature! The way things are going, I won't even be able to feed them, much less educate them. Haven't you always wanted a couple of kids? Guzzi isn't producing, y'know. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:37:32 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) Wonderful wonderin' Wally writes: << i was wondering what kind of silly or not so silly fears other people might have. >> Besides the usual phobias (heights, enclosed places), I have a great fear of being old and alone. Hey, wait a minute! I am old and alone! Now I'm really scared . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:43:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Besides the usual phobias (heights, enclosed > places), I have a great fear of > being old and alone. Hey, wait a minute! I am old > and alone! Now I'm really > scared . . . You're not old. Yet. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:44:24 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether > Has anyone else ever dealt with this? how do you get > rid of this junk? Arrgggh! In addition to the Bobs' suggestions (LOL on Smurph's), there are a couple of pop-up stopper things you can add. One is the new Google toolbar: http://toolbar.google.com/, which I installed at work recently and which seems to work. Another is Pop-Up Stopper by PanicWare, which I've used for about a year with great success. The only issue with this one is that if you WANT a pop-up window to open (and you sometimes will), or if you want to open more than one internet browser session, you have to remember to hold down the Ctrl key. Anyway, the free edition can be found here: http://www.panicware.com/product_psfree.html And you know ... there probably ARE more! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) --- David Rahall wrote: > Spring is my favorite. I was born May 6 (1958), and > I love spring. My > least favorite time of year is right now- August. I > live in Atlanta, and > it's sauna bath time. > > Fall's fab, and I love winter, too, except for > Christmastime, which is my > other least favorite time of year. Christmas is a > hassle. I like fall most of all. I agree about Christmas - it's a pain. I'd rather do without it, thank you very much. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:50:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Now: kids -- njc altogether Catherine writes: << Haven't you always wanted a couple of kids? Guzzi isn't producing, y'know. >> Guzzi is giving me the high hat while she flirts scandalously with Wally, so I guess that's over. The truth is I love children and babies, but I think I would have been a terrible father if I had had children when I was the appropriate age. Now I am worn out after an hour or so with kids! My niece's baby boy, who's 13 months old now, has been the light of my life in a very bleak year. And she and Emily, one of my best friends, are both expecting babies in the middle of September -- and they'll be giving birth in the hospital I was born in! So I don't need to have kids of my own since everyone around me is breeding! And it's always good that they can leave with their parents because Uncle Bob needs his rest. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:01:31 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) ><< i was wondering what kind of silly or not so silly fears other people >might have. >> > >Besides the usual phobias (heights, enclosed places), I have a great fear >of >being old and alone. Hey, wait a minute! I am old and alone! Now I'm really >scared . . . You will never be alone.... you got this wonderful community of 800 with you. " We will always have the Full Moon" Bree > --Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether Thanks, Steve, Bob and Lori for your suggestions. Some of these I've already tried & I'm still missing something. On the add/delete programs thing, sometimes it's hard to tell what's crap and what's a useful program. At least, that's what I've found. I had also tried the Pop-up stopper software, but I found it a pain when you DID want a popup window (you can't win!) So I'm going to try this google toolbar (like, I need another toolbar up there? Soon the toolbars are going to take over the screen! But I haven't tried this one before, so what the hell.) --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Back when my son was loading up game > after game on my computer, I > told him that he had to uninstall one before he > could load another one in. > > Don't know that he ever DID, but at least I told > him! ;~) See, that's the whole problem. With Sarah and her msn messenger (and the various other junk she downloads with it) and Matthew and his game demoes, I'm surprised my hard disc isn't completely full. I have to go in there periodically and uninstall and delete a bunch of stuff (some of which mysteriously reappears a day or two later - now how could that be/) Durn kids! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:33:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: weather talk and phobias (NJC) cath! how cruel! i loved it! wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Jueves, 28 de Agosto de 2003 11:44 p.m. > Para: Murphycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) > > > --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Besides the usual phobias (heights, enclosed > > places), I have a great fear of > > being old and alone. Hey, wait a minute! I am old > > and alone! Now I'm really > > scared . . . > > You're not old. > > Yet. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: weather talk and phobias (NJC) --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > cath! how cruel! i loved it! > wally > Of course you did. You're a beeeatch, just like me! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:36:05 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Photos of JoniFest To all: I sent an e-mail to Chris (chris@hatstand.org) requesting information on how to send my photos from JoniFest to the album (where all the others are) but did not receive a reply. Can anyone tell me how to go about this task? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:36:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: weather talk and phobias (NJC) oh david! you have just become BF fodder! wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de David > Rahall > Enviado el: Jueves, 28 de Agosto de 2003 11:09 p.m. > Para: joni > Asunto: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) > > > Spring is my favorite. I was born May 6 (1958), ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:39:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Photos of JoniFest njc, surprisingly enough --- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > To all: > I sent an e-mail to Chris (chris@hatstand.org) > requesting information on > how to send my photos from JoniFest to the album > (where all the others are) > but did not receive a reply. Can anyone tell me how > to go about this task? > > Kenny B When did you send your request to Chris? You probably need to give him a couple of days anyway. He may be away or busy with something else, but he will get back to you. He has to grant you access & give you a password so you can post your stuff. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:49:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: weather talk and phobias (NJC) oh yes i do!!! BIG storms. really noisy and insane storms calm me down. they have a soothing effect on me. another crazy thing about me -- and i guess this is like a reversed seasonal depression -- i hate it when the days start to lengthen in the spring. i can take only so much sunlight. seriously, my nervous system must be all upside down. i've heard that people actually KILL themselves in our south because days are so short and dark in the winter and the lack of sunlight affects their nerves. but when i spent a summer month there, let me tell you, no sooner had the sun gone down than it started to rise again. i felt asphyxiated by so much sunlight. the birds must have been hoarse from singing 22 hours a day! am i a closet vampire? the dream of my life is to live six months in alaska and six months in tierra del fuego. in winter. wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Bree > Mcdonough > Enviado el: Jueves, 28 de Agosto de 2003 10:35 p.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com; > joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: weather talk and phobias (NJC) > > > I don['t have any fears per se...BUT I do get a little melancholy > when Fall > rolls around. I come alive in the spring and especially the summer. I > would say the opposite from you. I bet you love a good thunderstorm > ..dark...windy?? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:00:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: squishing crawly things (NJC) nothing has a more paralyzing effect on me than those HUGE new york roaches. i can barely manage to spray raid at them, and from a very safe distance at that. bugs in general give me the jitters big time. i DO kill them, but i always intone "pass on to a higher life form" as i do because i know i may be offending some nature god. besides, i always have this fear at the back of my mind that its mom will come and take revenge and it will be a 20-ton B-movie mutant of a roach. wally, disclosing the true extent of his insanity for 800 people worldwide. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:04:47 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Which Joni for Guitar Work? On our local radio station which prides itself on playing things "never heard on the radio," in-studio interviews, live sessions in their studio, etc., etc. they just about never play our Joan. Don't get me started. I've written and called several times ... Anyway, they were talking on the morning drive about the recent poll of top guitarists and did mention the only two women who made the list were Joni at 78 (is it?) and now it's slipped my mind what other woman made it. So I have these pretend conversations in my head (all right, so I'll never live this down) where I call the station and say, "People may wonder why Joni Mitchell made that list. My suggestion for something of hers to play to illustrate her inclusion would be ... and let me explain a little bit about the originality of her open tunings ..." What would you recommend to a neophyte to showcase her guitar talents? I think "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire" might be one pick. And I definitely think Bonnie Raitt should have made that list. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:21:34 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: My computer is driving me crazy! njc altogether Catherine McKay wrote: >Maybe I >should go with a Mac too, for that matter. > Yes. > I am so fed >up with anything Microsoft. > > > As you should be. Have I ever given you bad advice? Go Mac and never look back! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:28:56 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Now: kids -- njc altogether Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > >Now I am >worn out after an hour or so with kids! And it's always good >that they can leave with their parents because Uncle Bob needs his rest. > > > Must be hell to be old! I am much younger than everyone else my age because I make it a point to last longer than Gage at everything we do - and still do stuff like go the Eminem concert in Detroit and then drive all night to Chicago for all star stuff and never miss a bit... the day I am too tired to be playing air hockey at 2:30 am at the all night movie theatre, Gage has instructions to shoot me. Vince, watching the MTV VMAs a second time tonight - Justin Timerlake won best dance video over Sean Paul??????? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Now: kids -- njc altogether The high hat? You are the one shooting blanks mister! I was way into it - you all should see how I decorated Joni and Mitchells nursery! Its all deep Greens and Blues with a rainbow on the wall and yellow curtains and wooden birds with painted wings - oh I can't even go in there anymore!!! Still looking for someone to stare a hole in my tarnished eggs! At least I have my niece and nephew to hold onto. And by the way my brother took my 6 year old nephew Michael to see Ringo the other night. Afterwards he said, "That was just like seeing the real Beatles dad!" My brother Tony also noted Sheila E, saying she pretty much upstaged everyone and he was thoroughly impressed with her performance. I am so proud of my nephew and his musical taste - next JONI!!!! Peace, Susan Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: Catherine writes: << Haven't you always wanted a couple of kids? Guzzi isn't producing, y'know. >> Guzzi is giving me the high hat while she flirts scandalously with Wally, so I guess that's over. The truth is I love children and babies, but I think I would have been a terrible father if I had had children when I was the appropriate age. Now I am worn out after an hour or so with kids! My niece's baby boy, who's 13 months old now, has been the light of my life in a very bleak year. And she and Emily, one of my best friends, are both expecting babies in the middle of September -- and they'll be giving birth in the hospital I was born in! So I don't need to have kids of my own since everyone around me is breeding! And it's always good that they can leave with their parents because Uncle Bob needs his rest. - --Bob Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #430 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)