From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #426 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 426 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) and MARS ENCOUNTER (also njc) [Richard Goldman ] Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: that f*ng aol, again NJC [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: JoniCento [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JONI COVERS?? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Amelia in a new book [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] RE: Joni & Sports njc ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: Baltimore catechism question njc [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #425-njc-Catholic Schools [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc [Les Irvin ] RE: Warren Zevon on VH1 [] RE: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc [Les Irvin ] RE: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Magdalene Laundries/religion - njc [Alison E ] Re: religion/Roy Moore - LONG and njc ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: New Joni DVD [Phyliss Ward ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25:16 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) and MARS ENCOUNTER (also njc) First of all, let me shout out "hello!" and "hola!" to Wally in the other hemisphere. It's still the same stars and planets out there! This Mars thing ... it's coinciding with the Mercury retrograde...... Tonight, in fact, is the closest Mars is to Earth in 60,000 years. So...here's what a wise astrologer sent me ... ~Richard Subject: Dealing with MARS As you know the planet Mars is the closest to the earth it has ever been in recorded human history. Here are some of the effects you may be dealing with. Increased physical discomfort, sleeplessness, anxiety, irritability and overwhelm at the same time as sensations of heaviness, density and leaden weight in the body. Inability to focus or concentrate, heightened dreams of a visceral nature, heightened sensations physically/energetically. You may also have experienced or witnessed accidents, sudden deaths, explosions and physical breakage. This configuration is putting stress on the planetary electromagnetic fields and may result in strange electronic behavior both in nature and in with electronic equipment. This stress may also affect balance, memory and hormones. Mars is a planet that rules physical strength, stamina and the aggressive masculine. The energy of Mars is determined, aggressive and solid. It forces you to deal with the physical planet, the physical body and physical structures. Those of you who have physical issues and are dealing with your health , this is an opportunity to forcefully move through physical imbalances with the goal of strengthening the body with Mars' help. In addition to other aches and pains, you may find yourself in some detox affecting the liver as the liver is vulnerable at this time. We mentioned in the forecast that August was a time of heat, solar energy and the liver. We advise you to support the liver, to eat cooling foods and avoid excessive heat. Another suggestion is to work consciously with your physical environment and the structures around you. This is a time when you can empower and energize the body, projects and new ideas. Be sure to visit Mars during the night sky and spend some time absorbing the qualities available. This masculine force can be used to fertilize and impregnate that which you are setting into motion now. Be careful not to take on too much, and be sure to set good boundaries against what may needlessly use your energy, and to decide what is important. Be ruthless, pay attention to your body, be disciplined, stay out of conflict and "other people's drama", and ask Mars for the positive aspects it can offer you at this time. We never get more than we can handle....... Have fun with MARS! >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:42:01 -0300 >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Subject: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) > >folks, >the time has come again for a mercury retrograde. no wonder we have been >experiencing the onslaught of new and recycled computer viruses. it will >last until september 20. here's some advice from an astrology site: > >"It's time for another Mercury retrograde! At some point, >every planet except the Sun and the Moon appears to be >moving backward from our perspective on Earth; when this >seemingly unnatural motion occurs, our lives tend to become >more challenging. Mercury rules communication and transportation, >so these two areas are most influenced during Mercury's >retrograde periods. Conversations might be more difficult, >as crossed signals and unclear meanings confuse normally >straightforward discussions. Still, with a little caution >and consideration, you'll get your point across. > >Similarly, be prepared with a back-up plan when you're >traveling. If your flight gets canceled or your car won't >start, remain calm and make the best of it. Who knows -- you >might meet a fascinating new person in the airport lobby or >at the bus stop. > >Be sure to also remember that this powerful energy can be >used in positive ways. Especially under Virgo's organized >influence, a Mercury retrograde is a very good time to take >care of general tidying, so take a look at your to-do list >for any activities that start with 're': renew, repair, >review, renegotiate, research, etcetera." > >well, kind of stupid but it was the only one at hand. > >make those back-up copies and update your antivirus tools!!!! >love, >wally, stargazer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:26:48 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Adam, Eve, etc. (NJC) Maggie wrote: > Here's my take on the roots of sexism. I think that much > of the repression to which you refer, Kay, actually has its > roots in the very base instinct to pursue maximum opportunity > to reproduce. This is seen in wildlife, and in human patterns > of behavior as well. Men cannot reproduce, they can only get > women to do the reproducing for them. But, because they are > not the ones carrying the child, they can actually have much > greater success in reproducing than can the woman. Men > have zillions of chances to reproduce when you count how > many seeds they have, but woman only have so many eggs > (even Guzzi with her golden eggs). So, controlling women is > the best route to having maximum contribution to the next > generation's gene pool, and for parents, having sons is the > best way to ensure that THEIR genes get passed on, too. > I'm probably doing a really crappy job of explaining myself > here...what we need is a bottle of wine and a spot on the > front porch at Jonifest to *really* get into this (and I want > Vince to join us on the porch). You're doing a damn fine job of explaining yourself in my opinion, and so is Kay! I love this subject, and could discuss it for hours I wish we were at Full Moon too, we'd be on that porch into the wee small hours! Next year, maybe (2005, for sure)! One thing you didn't mention, and that is women's "dependence" on men, particularly our Cro-Magnon ancestors. During pregnancy, particularly in the latter stages (and also after birth), women would have been unable to hunt for food, or gather crops, so were dependent on men to keep them supplied with food, shelter, protection from animals, etc. A woman could probably "survive" without meat for a while - just by gathering plants etc. but our ancestors needed animal fat for warmth and fuel, not to mention the myriad of other uses for the animal, such as warm furs and bones for tools, etc. And not only pregnant women. Men are and were structurally different from women, and usually stronger and with more muscle in relation to body fat (generally speaking - there are always exceptions!). Women need body fat to keep their bodies (and unborn children) warm and well-fed. As a result, men would have been more efficient hunters, and able to provide more in the way of animals. For a community to survive, they would have had to divide tasks as a result, with the "cave-bound" women tending to the children, and cooking and cleaning, while the men were out looking for wildebeest and mammoths to kill. As time went by, these "divisions" in labour, would have become instinctive. Not so far removed from more recent years, where the woman stays home to mind the kids, and do the vacuuming, while to man goes out to battle with a pen and briefcase - as opposed to a flint knife and a big stick! It's also important (as Maggie said) to remember that the changes that we've seen even in the last 100 years, with women and men sharing workloads and child-raising are a drop in the ocean of the history of the evolution of humankind, and it's only our ability to think and reason that allows us to accept that these changes are necessary or "good". We've got thousands of years of instinct against us - which is maybe why some people DO have a hard time with these concepts. I'm not saying those people are less "evolved" than anyone else (although personally I CAN think of a few people that would fit that description!), but I think people do forget that sudden changes in what is essentially instinctive behaviours are going to have much larger ramifications than we sometimes realise. The popularity of sports, particularly among males (although I'm certainly not excluding females - especially myself!) might be simply an innate desire to release some of that previously needed aggression. It was certainly needed by our Cro-Magnon ancestors to hunt and kill wild animals, and also to fend off and escape from predators of human flesh, but there are few jobs that require that kind of adrenalin and aggression these days - I can think of a few, like fire fighters, soldiers, rodeo cowboys, stuntmen, etc. but they are certainly not the norm. There are also plenty of documented Cro-Magnon cave paintings of hunting scenes, which perhaps indicates that the best hunters were revered by all (maybe men and women), in a similar way in which our top sports people, and even some professions (like the ones I mentioned) are revered now? Like I said, I could talk about this stuff for hours (I should have studied anthropology, but NZ's human history only goes back 1300 years!) but I won't bore you any more. I've probably written a whole digest on my own, anyway! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:32:54 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) Paging Mingus! Step up child. Today's your Big Day! Delighted to have met you this year at the North East Jonifest! Hope you have a lovely birthday. Sending Best Wishes and 'Targeted' Hugs from across The Pond. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:00:31 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: that f*ng aol, again NJC Hi, Bob! Many many thanks! Relieved: Emiliano ----- Original Message ----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: emilianopd@mundo-r.com ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:08 AM Subject: Re: that f*ng aol, again NJC In a message dated 8/26/2003 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emilianopd@mundo-r.com writes: excuse me if I post something personal, but are aol members receiving this? No problem here, Emiliano...hear you loud & clear dude! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:56:15 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Fw: my take on nuns (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "vince" ; "Susan Guzzi" Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: RE: my take on nuns (njc) > oh well, anyways... i'd STILL like to do the "how do you solve a problem > like maria" number at jonifest someday with steve polifka, jimmy, bob > murphy, les ross, chris and of course *I* in the role of the mother abbess. > i will look pensive and firm yet *understanding*. and i'll cherish my > exchange with sister margaretta: > > SISTER MARGARETTA (maybe les ross in his best soprano): "i'd like to say a > word in her behalf." > MOTHER ABBESS (me, rather majestically): "THEN SAY IT, SISTER MARGARETTA!" > SISTER MARGARETTA: "maria... makes me... LAUGH!" > (all the nuns break into restrained, bell-like laughter. that is where i > look stern although i DO remember my younger years and try to conceal half a > smile!) > > and i want michael paz as maria, running, his head uncovered, coming back > from the hills. > and don't ask "why paz???" because i'll accuse you all of heterophobia. > > wally, great in black (maybe some pearls? are abbesses allowed to wear > pearls now and then?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:50:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: nuns (njc) --- Susan Guzzi wrote: ...we had BVM nuns - aka > Blessed Virgin Mary order who we referred to > lovingly as Black Veiled Monsters - and they were! A French-Canadian friend of mine was taught by the Ursulines in Quebec. They called them "Les Ours Malines" which means "The Evil Bears." I promise this is my last post regarding religion, nuns & all that fun stuff. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:54:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > a Mercury retrograde is a very good time > to take > care of general tidying, so take a look at your > to-do list > for any activities that start with 're': renew, > repair, > review, renegotiate, research, etcetera." Regurgitate? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:06:46 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: JONI COVERS?? Off the top of my head, besides the songs on official releases, I know she's covered Get Together, Mr. Tambourine Man, I Heard it Through the Grapevine, Trouble Man. She sang Sugar Mountain on Gene Shay's radio show. (I was at Gene Shay's big shindig, the Philly Folk Festival, last weekend. Did you know you can now buy an official Gene Shay bobble-head doll?). At 02:23 AM 8/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hello all :) > > I saw Tori Amos this weekend and although she didnt grace me with any > Joni covers It got me thinkin...Has Joni ever performed other peoples > songs live in concert???Maybe our resident cover expert Bob would > know...Are you the expert on Joni doin covers too??? lol Im not really > talkin bout the covers that appear on albums...Like she just felt like > playin.."Ohio" or soemthing cause she felt the need... >Hope you all are having a great day..If not ..then try to.. > >****kevin**** > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/2003 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 07:30:02 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) How thrilled I am to get to say "you were my first":-p My first Birth Day wish of the day that is. I will try to make that enough for now! I've been telling everyone about this charming and sexy man that Joni has introduced me to, and fat as I am I'd probably dog paddle that pond just for one more tight hug... It really is special to hear from you, I'll take NYC as being a birth day gift that we got to see each other on the street. All of the reviews are rolling in and you have practically stolen the show with you moving performance! Something else rose on me besides the hair on my neck and the swells in my heart. It was so special to come home to your letter. I've never written to anyone across the pond as you say that I actually know, I sent a reply to I believe was Maggie in Scotland to welcome her one day on the JMDL. Well, I'm off to my day, thank you for bringing such bright light before the sun has come up"! With Love, Mingus PS. Your offer to do a piece of your wonderful needle point for us has me dancing around wondering which main wall I will feature it on! That would be so very kind of you. I meant to do a bid on one, got distracted and completely forgot. Please allow me to do a framed Joni photo as some meager trade? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:13:42 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniCento In a message dated 8/26/2003 11:40:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy writes: > Like this, it's made up of Joni lines, but > mine -- in my humble opinion -- is much better, at least on > paper. I'm sure it is, Bob...this particular cento was written to be performed, so it scans a bit odd at times. And whenever I think about Joni Centos, I remember Willie the Shake's unforgettable post 9-11 piece, which I thought was just brilliant. Along with John van Tiel's and Kay Ashley's thoughts, it brought about a lot of healing for me. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "New Coat Of Paint" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:30:59 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI COVERS?? In a message dated 8/27/2003 7:06:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: > I know > she's covered Get Together, Mr. Tambourine Man, I Heard it Through the > Grapevine, Trouble Man. She sang Sugar Mountain on Gene > Shay's radio show. That's a good start, Deb...of course she DID record "Trouble Man", so if you count that one then you have to count her SIZZLIN' live take on "Summertime" at the 'Day In The Garden'. I'm also working off the top of my pointy and ever-greying head, but I would add: - -Goodbye, Blue Sky (from the live performance of "The Wall") - -Yarrow (performed on her 1976 tour) - -It's All Over Now, Baby Blue (improvised on the spot on a radio show, with "Not To Blame" chords) - -What's A Nice Girl Like You (I know it's not the right title, anyway it's the Dylan song she performed at last year's Walden Woods benefit) And I'll add one that has just surfaced: - -Me & My Uncle John (performed on "Let's Sing Out" in 1965) Also I'll note that these are all solo vocal performances...if you start adding duets then the list gets much longer, what with the Johnny Cash stuff, the Let's Sing Out stuff (Prithee Pretty Ashara!), The Dolphin Song with Fred Neil, etc, etc. Wouldn't it be great if there was a website...(nope, better not go there!) ;~) Bob NP: Tom Waits, "The One That Got Away" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:38:42 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: Amelia in a new book Hi, Debra! Hi, Bob! That's a great new, isn't it? That's Fiction? Coffe Table Books section? Keep on ... Yours: Emiliano > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deb Messling" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:58 PM > Subject: Amelia in a new book > > > > The lyrics to Amelia, among other poems, are featured in a new book, > > Flight: A Celebration of 100 Years in Art and Literature. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/la8c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:54:59 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) HAPPY BIRTHDAY MINGUS!!!!!! MUCH LOVE, ROSIE[Unable to display image] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/x-art which had a name of Untitled01] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 05:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: sports (njc) Vince wrote: please keep the filth words like yankees and red sox out of the JMDL Ah, I take exception to the "red sox" part of that, but have to agree with the "yankees" part LOL! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: warren zevon (njc) I'm glad WZ had the courage to do this show. For me, it was all so familiar. I can tell he really gets what it's all about. The new songs sound really interesting. I enjoyed the Bruce bit too - rippin' guitar and then the "you ARE him!" from Warren. Pretty cool! Sadly, of the top four most common types of cancer (breast, prostate, colon and lung) the only one they haven't made real progress against in the last few years is lung. It's so sad to think that in the next ten to twenty years, dying like this would be unnecessary. At least that's what I believe based on what I know about new treatments being tested. We're so close, and yet so far... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:17:48 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? On the JMDL homepage, I noticed this blurb in the "This Month In History": ********************************************************* 1964: Joni makes a three-day trip on the Canadian Pacific Railroad to get to the Mariposa Folk Festival mainly to see Buffy Sainte-Marie perform. During the trip, she wrote the song "Day by Day". ********************************************************* Having just performed Godspell, I feel certain that Joni did not write its signature hit song "Day by Day". If I'm mistaken, then I need to sell my house in order to pay for all the covers of this song which would outshadow Both Sides Now I'll bet. Anyway, I think my house is safe...Stephen Schwartz wrote the Godspell hit "Day BY Day", and Joni's song is titled "Day After Day". Hey Les, tighten up, willya? :~) Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Had Me A Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:14:10 +1000 From: ash Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #422 Hello Everyone .... from Tasmania..yippee Spring is a comin! and I saw Mars! I thought I would share this......... Oh yes...I love all the daily emails I get from the Joni fan club.......even tho I read em at the end of the week. last week on Ebay for Australia...I got Travelogue, which has not been off my CD player since...driven the family mad! The man I bought it off in Sydney has supplied a list of Joni's CD's, that he can get me..... at 1/2 price the cost of here in Tasmania!! So Ebay works! but why was there only 6 items in Oz and 6 pages worldwide? Also I wish I had gone to the Joni fest...honest Back to lurking again..oh yes laffing Ashley (named after some super chap from a 1930's film called Gone with the ?...wished I was called Rhett tho!...damm Yankees) I also thought it funny the person who wrote she wished she was a Joni Virgin again...I.em. knowing nothing about Joni....but to me...that makes it more interesting..to know the background and......I watched 'Woodstock' on video and this time actually enjoyed it! and I love anything Canadian...okay the women, McGarrigle sisters, Tara Moss, Heart, Allanah Miles, KD Lang etc etc Would love to buy into the Catholic thing..... but its the (so called ) Christian (er Nazi training camps) schools in Tasmanian..that in the last year I have had to drag my 3 sprogs (kids) out of and put them in a Normal State school...last straw was...my youngest (11) signing over herself to God and disowning us as parents as God was her real father!! We have just had on TV here 'Brides of Christ' a Oz production (with Naomi Watts..her out of the 'Ring' ) a mini series all about the nuns...1960's in Oz and then there was 'the leaving of Liverpool' a BBC doco?...all about British children in 1940 sent out to the colonies...Oz and Canada..to be abused...horrid stuff! But my favourite girlfriend (the wife not reading this) was Jane Werner (where are you now?)..yep a Catholic Convent girl..we were 17...wow still brings a smile...she was so suppressed sexually by guilt...later on her parents saw me as the anti Christ..well I was just lucky that I got in the way of freeing herself of sin!! and why would Ringo make you a dyke? maybe Harrison..but Ringo...nooooooooo way...my aunt went to school with him! I saw the Beatles return from the States..I wanted to be John Lennon or Dr Winston O'Boogie..did not get the Walrus bit?????? and why was the last episode of Xena not shown here..that kiss! Question?.....will Joni visit Tasmania?.......if I asked nicely?.....I am sure my wife* would be so pleased to put her up in the spare bedroom........that's Joni that goes in the spare bedroom..not the wife! * Okay she is not my wife..she is her own person and I do not own her etc....and I am a sexist pig...but about to find my feminie side? and loved the one about finding ...Grey/Gray pubes...I just shave mine! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:37:42 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Joni & Sports njc Hey, Vince, them's fighting words. As I told a fan in the stands at the Lowell Spinners game on Sunday when he started hissing because someone with a Yankees hat came by, if we expect the Israelis and Palestinians to get along and live side-by-side then we had better start by accepting Yankee fans at our ballgames. I know, it hurts, but something survives. ;~) Maggie PS Good point about the convention...I was away on a week-long (emphasis on the looong)boating "vacation" with my parents when the Chicago convention was busting loose in 1968. Hard not to be a witness, but to just catch glimpses on our little radio. -----Original Message----- From: vince [mailto:revrvl@chartermi.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:39 PM To: Patricia O'Connor Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni & Sports njc please keep the filth words like yankees and red sox out of the JMDL Score right now: White Sox 11 Yankees 0 bottom of the 8th Vince, hoping that in 2004 the JoniFest will not be the same weekend as a Sox home series or the Democratic convention Patricia O'Connor wrote: > > >I don't suppose "Yankee Yachts and lobster pots" qualifies... :>) >How about if it was Yankee bats and lobster pots, but you'd have to use a >Red Sox fan's accent to make the rhyme. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:26:02 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Baltimore catechism question njc > --- kakki wrote: > And with that I'm off to powder my horns > > and throw a couple of hot > > rollers on my magnificent red tail. LOL Now that's the Kakki we know and love! xoxo Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:00:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) Mingus -- I love you! (And I don't say that to just anyone.) I am so glad to have finally met you at the fest this year. Hope your birthday is a great one. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:16:41 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #425-njc-Catholic Schools I have been reading the posts lately about Catholicism. I was brought up in an Irish Catholic family and sent to Catholic schools. In my early years I had the Sisters of Mercy (who had no mercy.) They beat us often especially the boys. I was hit once or twice even though I was a girl. The verbal abuse was awful. Our parents were aware of our treatment but like everyone else never questioned the abuse. I saw a lot of things in Catholic School and felt shamed and degraded myself. In high school I went to the Ursulines. They were strict but not abusive. I think because they were independent and well educated they did not have the anger and resentment of the Mercy Sisters. They didn't have to jump every time the parish priest spoke. I left the Catholic Church at 18 and became a Unitarian. When I was young we used to walk to Church with my grandmother and I used to ask her about the Unitarian Church we passed and she said, "they can do anything they want" and I remember thinking "sounds good to me." Oh yes, I now work in the building I went to grade school in and it is a mental health center. Kardinel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:20:25 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) <> oh, whatever! we spent a whole weekend at fest with you; we HEARD what you'll say to "just anyone"! happiest of birthdays to you, david!! i hope your day is absolutely spectacular! love, cindy ps - tell that other david i said "hello," won't you? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:32:58 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: JONI COVERS?? At 8/27/2003 06:30 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >-What's A Nice Girl Like You (I know it's not the right title, anyway >it's the Dylan song she performed at last year's Walden Woods benefit) "Sweetheart Like You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:42:39 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc At 8/27/2003 07:17 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Anyway, I think my house is safe...Stephen Schwartz wrote the >Godspell hit "Day BY Day", and Joni's song is titled "Day After >Day". Hey Les, tighten up, willya? :~) I just called an emergency meeting of the entire JMDL executive staff to find out who is responsible for this error. As a result, many top level people have been terminated and replaced with more competent individuals. My apologies to all for the error. Les, reporting from the 34th floor of the JMDL International Headquarters complex. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:24:21 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc Think you better come up to the 36th floor. The inner circle wants a meeting with you. Les Irvin wrote: > At 8/27/2003 07:17 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > >> Anyway, I think my house is safe...Stephen Schwartz wrote the >> Godspell hit "Day BY Day", and Joni's song is titled "Day After >> Day". Hey Les, tighten up, willya? :~) > > > I just called an emergency meeting of the entire JMDL executive staff > to find out who is responsible for this error. As a result, many top > level people have been terminated and replaced with more competent > individuals. My apologies to all for the error. > Les, reporting from the 34th floor of the JMDL International > Headquarters complex. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:48:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) i know, catherine. the most outrageous things came to my mind while i was copying this message to the list!!!! wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Miercoles, 27 de Agosto de 2003 07:55 a.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) > > > Regurgitate? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:00:09 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Mercury retrograde (njc) wALLY, THANKS FOR THIS INFORMATION ABOUT MERCURY RETROGRADE. . . I want to know about this. . .that when the world seems to be turning upside down, perhaps the stars are having an influence. . . and also, maybe this too shall pass. . . some things are irreversable. . .but somehow if we can search to find the spiritual reasons for them, it may ease our pain just a little bit. . . . I guess I am thinking about Mags here. . . (and the loss of her brother). . .however, I can't think of too much here that can ease that pain. back to the subject, I guess what you are saying Wally is to tread easliy and carefully and try not to take too many things to heart (day to day things). . .because, a lot of it will possibly improve after the 20th, right? (tho, not everything) Here's wishing all the special people on this list the very best on this *jouney* ( life) . . . . and such a short one it is. it all comes down to you Love, Marianne ps. I can see Mecury in the eastern sky. . . shining a bright orange. . I don't know for how much longer it will be >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:42:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: mercury retrograde (astrology content) (njc) folks, the time has come again for a mercury retrograde. no wonder we have been experiencing the onslaught of new and recycled computer viruses. it will last until september 20. here's some advice from an astrology site: "It's time for another Mercury retrograde! At some point, every planet except the Sun and the Moon appears to be moving backward from our perspective on Earth; when this seemingly unnatural motion occurs, our lives tend to become more challenging. Mercury rules communication and transportation, so these two areas are most influenced during Mercury's retrograde periods. Conversations might be more difficult, as crossed signals and unclear meanings confuse normally straightforward discussions. Still, with a little caution and consideration, you'll get your point across. Similarly, be prepared with a back-up plan when you're traveling. If your flight gets canceled or your car won't start, remain calm and make the best of it. Who knows -- you might meet a fascinating new person in the airport lobby or at the bus stop. Be sure to also remember that this powerful energy can be used in positive ways. Especially under Virgo's organized influence, a Mercury retrograde is a very good time to take care of general tidying, so take a look at your to-do list for any activities that start with 're': renew, repair, review, renegotiate, research, etcetera." well, kind of stupid but it was the only one at hand. make those back-up copies and update your antivirus tools!!!! love, wally, stargazer< _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:03:14 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Warren Zevon on VH1 Kate wrote: "thanks to anne for bringing this show to my attention...it was a wonderful, funny, tender & very moving tribute to the man...i admire so much what he is doing right now & so happy he was able to complete his project & see his grandsons born...i loved the conversation between warren & gorge (old friend & producer of his album) which reminded me a bit of what a great friend nash has been to crosby...did anyone else see it?" Yes: I stayed up late and spent the first hour of my birthday seeing that show. There were some inaccuracies in WZ's biography at the beginning, but the show itself was. . .well, worth staying up for. The highlights for me were the scene with Springsteen laying down his track, and Zevon's daughter telling him a very special piece of news toward the end. The show was rebroadcast yesterday evening, and hopefully, I got it on tape. By coincidence, WZ's new, presumably last CD was released on my birthday, so I requested it from my sweetie as my gift, and it was waiting for me on the kitchen table when I returned home yesterday. I'm listening to it now for the first time, and so far, I am IMPRESSED. The songs are good ones, and he's in remarkably strong voice. The record also has an all-star line-up. A related story I read recently: apparently, when WZ made the announcement of his illness last year and decided that he wanted to record a final album, everyone wanted to be on it! After the work was completed, Warren's son Jordan, who had the thankless task of coordinating many of the details, started sending out faxes to all the musicians asking for certain documentation so that they could be paid--and was met with resounding silence. He started to panic, and thought, "Oh, no--Bruce Springsteen isn't going to send me his social security number!" Then one musician finally came out and told him, "Look. It just doesn't feel right, getting paid for this." Jordan Zevon swiftly issued a second round of faxes, saying, "Look, I appreciate that you don't want payment, but you have contractual obligations, and we can't use the performances if we don't pay you." This time, a flood of information came back almost immediately. What friends. WZ has been housebound since spring, and is no longer making any direct statements to the press. Reading between the lines, I expect that we will be reading the unfortunate announcement all too soon. But what a parting gift he managed to give us first: both in the CD (which is, by turns, wistful, wicked, rollicking, funny, and heartbreaking), and in allowing the cameras in for the whole range of moments in this process so that we could see, first-hand, a man approaching death with knowledge and unassailable dignity. Mary P. P.S. So far I've been listening to Zevon and staying away from the Catholic thread. That, however, may change. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:04:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Mingus (NJC) mingus, i've never met you but i've heard so many wonderful things about you that i feel as if i knew you a little. let me send you a big hug from the southern hemisphere on this cold winter afternoon. i am sure you'll get a hug from every continent! happy birthday!!!! wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:07:25 -0500 From: Subject: Oops! Sorry, folks: that last post on Warren Zevon should have been labeled NJC. My sincere apologies. Going back to my corner now. . . Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:01:10 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc At 8/27/2003 10:24 AM, Ken wrote: >Think you better come up to the 36th floor. The inner circle wants a >meeting with you. Damn. Not the Inner Circle. I'm screwed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:24:58 +0100 From: "Adam Mulvey" Subject: New Joni DVD Has anyone seen the new 'Woman of Heart and Mind' DVD? It looks really good - there's a fantastic review in Word magazine this month. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:27:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc don't worry, les. the INNER inner circle will be monitoring the inner circle actions from the 50th floor. i'm in charge here. play it cool, bud. wally, in control > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Les > Irvin > Enviado el: Miercoles, 27 de Agosto de 2003 02:01 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc > > > At 8/27/2003 10:24 AM, Ken wrote: > >Think you better come up to the 36th floor. The inner circle wants a > >meeting with you. > > Damn. Not the Inner Circle. I'm screwed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:29:37 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bad news for the Cover guy or a Les goof? njc > Damn. Not the Inner Circle. I'm screwed. Yes, it looks like it's the old "hot coals to the eyes" treatment for you, pal! Boy, I feel bad now for bringing it up in the first place, but at least in your suffering you can take solace in the fact that somebody was actually reading your website. Bob NPIMH: Bruce Springsteen, "Dead Man Walking" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:33:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the weather down here njc hey it's cold down here today! it's 2:30 pm, windchill in the low teens and REALLY ICY with frozen rain. I-AM-HAPPY. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Magdalene Laundries/religion - njc >Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:46:39 -0700 >From: Michael Paz >Subject: Re: Magdalene Laundries - njc >Has anyone read "Another Roadside Attraction" by Tom >Robbins?? yes, and it is one of the most brilliant tomes on religion ever written. and a hell of a lot of fun to read. >1) Where ever you find 1 or 2 Episcopalians you >will find a fifth. a fifth of liquor, right? that's right where my mind went! >they could get down to the comforting of sinners >that we all are. speak for yourself! > MAYBEjust maybe THERE NOT PART OF THE INNER CIRCLE >and it turns out to be the >Methodists or the Baptists! Shreeeeeeeeeeeeeek! oooh, no sorry, wrong answer! It's the MORMONS! you'll see. >Why oh why can't I be >totally serious for just once? >Paz (Paz In Shades of the His Corner Smoldering) and this is where i disagree again...the most fundamental problem with religion is that people take it TOO SERIOUSLY...case in point, those good ol' folks down in Alabama who refuse to leave the courthouse where the ten commandments monument was removed...and the dozens of people who just died in a stampede in India trying to get to the sacred river water and bathe as part of a holy celebration...or the mormon church's lovely reaction to John Krakauer's new book about fundamentalist polygamist mormon guy who slaughtered his sister's wife and baby daughter as they lay sleeping because "GOD told him to do it"... Hey, after all, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" which conversely means that I have the right to avoid religion and not be hounded daily by the barrage of bullshit that comes from the mouths of most religious leaders. And spirituality and religion AREN'T the same, in fact i find much of the time there's a big ol' disconnect. ...this about sums it up: "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself. Sir Richard Francis Burton (1821 - 1890)" "Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one. Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)" and finally: "If God dwells inside us like some people say....I sure hope he likes enchiladas, cuz thats what he's getting." -- Jack Handy just dropping in, alison e. in slc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:11:22 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: religion/Roy Moore - LONG and njc Alison said: << the most fundamental problem with religion is that people take it TOO SERIOUSLY...case in point, those good ol' folks down in Alabama who refuse to leave the courthouse where the ten commandments monument was removed... >> my dear friend and fellow alabamian chris gray said it best, so here's what he said (find what he says about all sorts of other things here, on his blog: http://www.gorilla365.com/blogger.html): "I have been waiting for weeks to click on a news link to the perfect 'take' on the Roy Moore debacle - or at least to pick up a newspaper/magazine and see an op-ed piece that made me say, 'There's somebody who has said what I've been thinking all along!' But no such luck. And maybe I just missed it - I've been busy being all self-employed and shit. I don't do have the brain for writing diatribes (mispent youth) but here's my rough guide to the whole shebang: Roy Moore is an immoral man. His actions spit in the face of Christian ideals and Christian principals. I have read the bible pretty thoroughly and - even though no Church on earth is clamoring to claim me as a member - I am very comfortable describing myself as a Christian. It takes a fool to take something as pure and simple as the teachings of Christ and pervert them to defend something as foul as what Moore and his cronies are doing. No text on earth so clearly and succintly lays down the framework for religious and social tolerance as the New Testament. Christ clearly warned us to 'render unto Caesar' but he never made any mention about us forcing anything of ours down Caesar's throat. Moore and his ilk would have us believe that the framers of the Constitution - being Christians themselves - never meant freedom of religion to be so grossly interpreted. Bullshit. The framers of the Constitution knew exactly what they were doing and that this country would have to practice religious tolerance for ALL, not just a handful of Baptists, Quakers, and Catholics, if it were to be a lasting alternative to what they had suffered under in Europe. The idea of separation of church and state was pretty novel and came at a high price. I don't think the 'Founding Fathers' need a mouth-breathing country judge to make plain what they intended - it's worked in plain view of the world for a couple of centuries now. Roy Moore is a disgrace to his profession. He took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of The United States and then promptly decided to wipe his ass with a huge chunk of it. I heard him dare use the word 'treason' the other day to define how he would feel if forced to remove the 10 Commandments monument. Let's see, Roy, you made an oath to your Country and all it's citizens, and to your President and then broke it for the sole purpose of furthering your goals and subverting the power of all the above... yep, that's treason. Lastly - and here's the kicker - is that Moore's antics have brought out into the light of day a whole new generation of American 'Christians' who a) have no real understanding or discernment for the central text to their faith - again, it would only take a well-taught 5th grade Sunday School class to know that Moore's actions are wrong - and b) that they could care less for separation of church and state or the Constitution - the very things that make it possible for them to worship freely in the first place. Why is this last part so scary? Because it's that SAME scary brand of religious zealotry and blindness that - when viewed from places like Iraq and Jerusalem - is usually backed-up eventually with the sounds of car bombs and mortar fire. That - and did Alabama really need (yet) another black eye?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: religion/Roy Moore - LONG and njc - --- Cynthia Vickery wrote: > > my dear friend and fellow alabamian chris gray said > it best, so > here's what he said (find what he says about all > sorts of other > That - and did Alabama really need (yet) another > black eye?" that's f*cking perfect, cindy, thanks for posting it. and of course, i mean NO disrespect to the Good People of Alabama (i type that with the drive by truckers in my head, i've been on such a drive by truckers kick lately! alabama ass whuppin'! whoo hoo!) alison e. in slc, miraculously posting twice in one day. np: radiohead, on radioparadise.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:42:31 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: New Joni DVD It's to die for my dear! Go buy it right now! You will not be sorry! I'm embarassed (among non-jmdl'rs) to say I've already watched it start to finish 4 times!!! Adam Mulvey wrote: >Has anyone seen the new 'Woman of Heart and Mind' DVD? It looks really >good - there's a fantastic review in Word magazine this month. > >Adam ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #426 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)