From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #418 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 418 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: magdalene sisters NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #417 - BYT remake njc [BRYAN8847@aol.com] IT WAS NICE MEETING U ALL [peter stefanides ] Today's Library Links: August 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: magdalene sisters NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: I have > seen the extent of the > church's power in Boston over the past couple of > years and it is beyond merely > formidable. > > Ashara also writes: > > << I find it almost impossible to know of these > injustices and understand how > someone could still have such deep faith in a > religion that perpetuates this > inhuman things. It is just not within my > comprehension. >> > > A big ME TOO to that. And when it comes to pedophile > priests, I could not > understand non-Catholics who stood on the sidelines > and said, "It's a Catholic > thing, so it's none of my business." (I actually > heard that a few times when the > scandal was at its height.) First of all, it seems > obvious to me that the > rape of children should concern everyone. If more > people became involved, it > could save some children from this soul-killing > horror. And second, many of these > sick priests were quietly dismissed from their > duties and released into > communities everywhere, where they found new victims > who weren't necessarily > Catholic -- so the evil that the Catholic church (or > any church) has done or may do > in the future really is everybody's business. It's about money and power (well, if you've got money, you've got power, don't you?) The Catholic church has a lot of both. When it comes to religion, people tend to hang back & not want to get involved because it's all so sacred and mysterious; whereas, if religion weren't involved, people would definitely do something about it. And then again, the church can enforce silence on its people and the Catholic church excelled at that (most likely still does - don't ask me, because I haven't been near a church in 25 years and that's the way I like it.) If you don't talk about it, maybe it will go away. Or if you do talk about it, you're committing some kind of sin. Everything in the catholic church comes down to sin and you're not supposed to question anything. Just pray to make your problems go away. When I was a kid I would have these terrifying dreams and thoughts & I'd tell my mum about them, and she'd advise me to pray. Gaa! Like that worked? A lot of the stuff I was scared of was based in religion anyway (like the fear I would end up a nun - Yikes! how scary is that?) so praying was the last thing I wanted to do. My mother was steeped in all that Irish Catholic sh*t. I know she was depressed as hell and felt stifled, but she would never admit it, nor would she do anything for herself. She thought it best to be a martyr about it and just pray it all away. She was an artist, but she never kept up her art - she just let it go. She never listened to music or had much of a social life, except for her bridge-playing (at least she had that). If you admitted to being depressed or down about anything, it was a character flaw, and she'd make fun of it. When she was dying, one of her docs suggested she might want to talk to a shrink (to discuss her feelings about her illness) and she just about had a fit, because someone was suggesting she was crazy, which meant, I suppose, that she wasn't a good enough person - so there'd be more praying involved (when a good SRI and talk therapy are available? As if! LOL.) As you can see, I'm a good Catholic. ;) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:40:24 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #417 - BYT remake njc Being around for a while AND being #7 this week on a chart would get it played on that station - both old and new - their perfect play list item. So that must be it and now left questioned is why I didn't recognise it - maybe the Vanessa Carlton part threw me, I didn't know that was in the CC version. There are versions of the Crows' BYT with and without Vanessa Carlton. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: peter stefanides Subject: IT WAS NICE MEETING U ALL u guys are a neat bunch. thanks ashara. Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 02:12:21 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 24 On August 24 the following articles were published: 1968: "Outside Schwenksville" - Philadelphia Evening Bulletin (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=603 1996: "Joni Mitchell offers Hits and Misses" - Billboard (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=262 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #418 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)