From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #417 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 417 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: sorry sorry sorry njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Fw: major 9ths njc (for aol members) [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion [Roger Burns ] Fw: sorry sorry sorry njc (for aol members) [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati] RE: sorry sorry sorry njc ["Chris Marshall" ] RE: sorry sorry sorry njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion [Deb Messling ] RE: sorry sorry sorry njc [Catherine McKay ] Fate, the mind & death, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] (njc) Courtney Brando? ["David Rahall" ] Re: Fate, the mind & death, njc [tantra-apso ] Today's library and history ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: new BYT cover out there [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Media Monopoly in the USA ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: new BYT cover out there [vince ] Re: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion [Roger Burns ] RE: Fate, the mind & death, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Jonifest 2003 Videos Available!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: magdalene sisters NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: magdalene sisters NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Wally's posts ["Lori Fye" ] [Over The Rhine] 's new release! njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Beatles (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni M Anthology songbook [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #416 - byt [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Joni's Autobiography and blank pages [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: fate (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: magdalene sisters NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Performances and some funny stuff at the fest NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: sorry sorry sorry njc ["Lori Fye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 05:05:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: sorry sorry sorry njc well, now i am more confused that ever. let's see. i used to send posts from my fibertel address to the list. then, some months ago, aol users noticed that they could read my posts only when they were copied. if i mailed them privately, sometimes they received my fibertel messages and sometimes they didn't. if i wrote to them from yahoo, they could always read me. if i replied, using my yahoo address, posts that had been forwarded to my fibertel address, they couldn't read them. (this is starting to sound like an LSAT analytical section exercise!). a couple of days ago, i res*bbed using my yahoo address. yahoo forwards them to my fibertel address but the posts are very late to show up. and i still can't get aol users to read my messages. i received information from aol saying that someone had reported my fibertel address as sp*m. i thought that when i changed to yahoo, even if i had the messages forwarded to fibertel, i would be read by aol folks. but somehow the fibertel stigma remains unchanged! there are so many variables involved (fibertel, aol, smoe, yahoo) that i am beginning to think that this problem beats every philosophical question about the meaning of life and why the chicken crossed the road. in the meantime i think it is better to res*b with my fibertel address. i can read the list more nearly on real time. oh catherine, is it FATE? wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > Enviado el: Sabado, 23 de Agosto de 2003 01:04 a.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: sorry sorry sorry njc > > > Wally, maybe the lack of response means they're not > getting your posts (but they should get this one.) > > But here's what I still don't get - if you send your > posts to joni@smoe.org and they then get forwarded to > people on the list, either as individual posts or as > part of a digest, the message would really be coming > via smoe and not directly from you, wouldn't it? So > then, how could aol then filter them out? Do aol-ers > get your stuff if they're on digest? There's something > about this that just doesn't sound logical to me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:07:14 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Fw: major 9ths njc (for aol members) Well, this is only for aol members. Wally's words: note: chorizo: "highly-spiced red sausage"; since they're ususally short, and fat, the idiom "fingers like chorizos" is huguely used (many expressions with chorizos, too) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Catherine McKay" ; "Ken" ; "Wally Kairuz" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: RE: major 9ths njc > well, when i was 100 pounds thinner and my fingers weren't so many chorizos > i would use my ring finger to bar the lower part of the 2nd fret and use my > pinky on the 3rd fret. i still had two fingers left for the top strings. > if i tried that now, i would have to call the paramedics to pry the guitar > out of my hand with a crowbar. > wally > > > > > Are you one of those people with extra fingers? How do > > you play that? > > > > ===== > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:27:06 +0000 From: Roger Burns Subject: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion I'm looking to buy a copy of the book "Joni Mitchell Companion" by Stacy Luftig. It's out of print. I've checked eBay, used booksellers, etc. No can find. Does anyone have suggestions? Thanks for any assistance. - - Roger Burns ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:26:15 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Fw: sorry sorry sorry njc (for aol members) Dear JMDLers: excuse me if I get a little of your internet connection, but I think anyone has the right to express him/herself... and Wally has more right to it, indeed! Note: Emiliano finds this trouble very confusing, too - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Catherine McKay" ; Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: RE: sorry sorry sorry njc > well, now i am more confused that ever. > let's see. > i used to send posts from my fibertel address to the list. then, some months > ago, aol users noticed that they could read my posts only when they were > copied. if i mailed them privately, sometimes they received my fibertel > messages and sometimes they didn't. if i wrote to them from yahoo, they > could always read me. if i replied, using my yahoo address, posts that had > been forwarded to my fibertel address, they couldn't read them. (this is > starting to sound like an LSAT analytical section exercise!). > a couple of days ago, i res*bbed using my yahoo address. yahoo forwards them > to my fibertel address but the posts are very late to show up. and i still > can't get aol users to read my messages. i received information from aol > saying that someone had reported my fibertel address as sp*m. i thought that > when i changed to yahoo, even if i had the messages forwarded to fibertel, i > would be read by aol folks. but somehow the fibertel stigma remains > unchanged! > there are so many variables involved (fibertel, aol, smoe, yahoo) that i am > beginning to think that this problem beats every philosophical question > about the meaning of life and why the chicken crossed the road. > in the meantime i think it is better to res*b with my fibertel address. i > can read the list more nearly on real time. > oh catherine, is it FATE? > wally > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > > Enviado el: Sabado, 23 de Agosto de 2003 01:04 a.m. > > Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org > > Asunto: Re: sorry sorry sorry njc > > > > > > Wally, maybe the lack of response means they're not > > getting your posts (but they should get this one.) > > > > But here's what I still don't get - if you send your > > posts to joni@smoe.org and they then get forwarded to > > people on the list, either as individual posts or as > > part of a digest, the message would really be coming > > via smoe and not directly from you, wouldn't it? So > > then, how could aol then filter them out? Do aol-ers > > get your stuff if they're on digest? There's something > > about this that just doesn't sound logical to me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:45:28 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: sorry sorry sorry njc Re: the AOL mystery... Are you posting from home using Outlook (or similar) via Yahoo? Or are you using their web-based e-mail client? If you're currently using Outlook (or similar) try the web based system. E-mails from you at Yahoo still originate at your fibertel address and this information is present in the e-mail headers. Thus, anything that regards fibertel stuff as spam will still throw it on the floor, regardless of the fact that it's come via Yahoo. Rgds, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 05:53:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: sorry sorry sorry njc oh chris!!!!!!!!!!! this makes so much sense! i'm using outlook, therefore, mails is STILL going from fibertel. why couldn't i think of it myself? wally, starting to feel like a damsel in distress > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Chris > Marshall > Enviado el: Sabado, 23 de Agosto de 2003 05:45 a.m. > Para: 'Wally Kairuz'; 'Catherine McKay'; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: RE: sorry sorry sorry njc > > > Re: the AOL mystery... > > > E-mails from you at Yahoo still originate at your fibertel > address and this information is present in the e-mail headers. > Thus, anything that regards fibertel stuff as spam will still > throw it on the floor, regardless of the fact that it's come > via Yahoo. > > Rgds, > > --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:22:43 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion Alibris says they have a copy for $30, and ABE Books shows three available copies from $15 to $30. http://www.alibris.com http://www.abebooks.com At 08:27 AM 8/23/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I'm looking to buy a copy of the book "Joni Mitchell Companion" by Stacy >Luftig. >It's out of print. I've checked eBay, used booksellers, etc. No can find. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:38:23 +0000 From: Roger Burns Subject: Re: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion Deb Messling wrote: > Alibris says they have a copy for $30, and ABE Books shows three available > copies from $15 to $30. Thanks, but all of those listings are already sold out despite what their web info says, I've looked into each one. I've done a pretty thorough search of Internet alternatives. I'm hoping that someone from this list might know of some real-world option. Maybe a collector who has an extra copy? Or someone who saw one in a used book shop but ignored it because they already have their own copy, and I could contact the shop? > Deb Messling -^..^- Nice name, you're almost a TV star! :) - Roger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:39:46 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Wally's posts I agree with Bob. Since aol people are not getting his posts, maybe someone could take charge of forwarding them. I miss him so. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 07:48:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Wally & AOL Wally, Like everyone else, I'm baffled. When you post to SMOE, I don't get it. If I was on digest, I would see your posts as part of the digest. When you post to the Fest list, I always see it. (And your birthday post to Ashara was a riot!) When you send me a mail directly, I get it, so there's no problem between fibertel & AOL. Just something about that Fibertel/Smoe/AOL connection. Bob NP: The Decemberists, "Legionairre's Lament" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:17:26 +0000 From: Roger Burns Subject: Newbie asks old question: why is cover art unfinished for STAS ? What is the story behind why the cover art is unfinished for Song To A Seagull? - Roger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:50:00 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: major 9ths njc God that seems like a hard way to do it. Maybe should rename that chord Maj9th+Suicide or how about Sargent.Maj9th Ken Wally Kairuz wrote: >well, when i was 100 pounds thinner and my fingers weren't so many chorizos >i would use my ring finger to bar the lower part of the 2nd fret and use my >pinky on the 3rd fret. i still had two fingers left for the top strings. >if i tried that now, i would have to call the paramedics to pry the guitar >out of my hand with a crowbar. >wally > >>Are you one of those people with extra fingers? How do >>you play that? >> >>===== >>Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:21:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: sorry sorry sorry njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > oh chris!!!!!!!!!!! this makes so much sense! i'm > using outlook, therefore, > mails is STILL going from fibertel. why couldn't i > think of it myself? > wally, starting to feel like a damsel in distress See? It takes Chris to figure this out, and succinctly at that. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:51:45 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Fate, the mind & death, njc Mark wrote: > I'm not sure what I believe about fate and chance. I do believe that > things happen in my life for a reason and that we are supported in > some way by energy that comes from, for lack of a better term, 'the > spirit world'. But I do think we have options about which way our > lives are going to tend. > I agree with that. I believe that the information one gets from astrologers, medium, et al are "the most likely thing to happen" if one does nothing about it. There's a french saying to the effect that "an informed man is worth 2 men". But options are still open at that point. Look at it this way: there is 1 person in this world who is your soulmate. But if you live in the U.S. and your soulmate lives in India, you're in deep shit to meet that person. So what are you going to do? Now my soulmate was living 3 blocks from me when we met 28 years ago. As Jackie Mason would say: "Who knew she would be right here?!" What does this all mean: did fate (I'd rather think G..) put my soulmate right next door or did I exercise an option? Now I may be disgressing a bit, but I've been thinking about the power of the mind lately, and also about death due to a good friend's passing. Also I'm re-reading this book about NDE (near death experience) by Dr. Moody. After compiling this NDE stuff with the experience of seeing when some close people died, what strikes me about the whole thing is there appears to be a link between the mind and death. In other words, when being in a physical situation where one might die, what makes the difference I think is one's willingness to fight or not. There are several examples of people who had a NDE and who decided to get back in their body and live because they had for instance young children to raise or other things they wanted to accomplish in their lives. In my friend's case, there was nothing physically life threatening. He just lost hope so the mind went and then the body shortly thereafter. I haven't finished reading about this, but I'm hoping that JMDLers will have some insight about this topic. Another topic: people have out of body experiences (our own Kate did), and as documented in the NDE people could give details afterwards about say their surgery or about what was happening in the next room during the time they were "dead" on the operating table. Well, isn't that proof that there is a soul? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:01:55 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: (njc) Courtney Brando? Just reading People Magazine, watching E! News Weekend, drinking a salty dog and playing on the computer simultaneously (it's the weekend!), and had to share this bit from People: A Chip Off the Old Godfather? According to the British press, Courtney Love's mother, Linda Carroll, claims that she's the daughter of Marlon Brando, 79, making him Love's grandfather. Brando's lawyer says it isn't so. Love, 39, is quoted in Britain's "Express," saying, "I've heard Mr. Brando has more than 30 children, so I can't imagine how many cousins I might have." David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:52:32 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Fate, the mind & death, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: >> >> >> > Well, isn't that proof that there >is a soul? > I don't think so. But then it depends on what you mean by soul. I think it proves, and I have no doubt, that our minds, us intact, survives what we call death. We are not our physical. That is just our vehicle. I thinkw e are muc much more than we know. I ahev nover doubted we all, regardless of belief sytem or behaviuor, survive death. As to the purpose of all this and what happen after death, no one here in the physical knows. It is all conjecture. Unfortunately, people tend not to undertsand this and believe their own ideas are the Truth and thus...well look at the world and see the damage that causes.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:07:18 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Today's library and history Thanks for today's article. I was at this concert in Columbia, MD in '79 and it truly was wonderful. (Of course we now have Shadows on DVD, but it's only the next best thing to being there.) It's hard to believe this was 24 years ago! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:31:25 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion There is one on Ebay's Half.com Jerry Quoting Roger Burns : > Thanks, but all of those listings are already sold out despite what > their web info says, I've looked into each one. > > I've done a pretty thorough search of Internet alternatives. I'm > hoping that someone from this list might know of some real-world > option. > Maybe a collector who has an extra copy? Or someone who saw one in a > used book shop but ignored it because they already have their own copy, > and I could contact the shop? > > > > Deb Messling -^..^- > > Nice name, you're almost a TV star! :) > > - Roger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:41:20 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: new BYT cover out there That is a version by The Counting Crows, featuring Vanessa Carlton. It has been around for a while, but it is still quite popular. In fact, it is #7 in the Contemporary Adult chart this week. Jerry, who also LOVED Johnny Depp in Pirates Quoting vince : > coming back with Gage after seeing the Pirates movies again (that movie > > is so much fun - Johnny Depp, what a performance!) and listening to some > > northern Michigan radio station in the jeep and heard a brand new > version of BYT by some guy - kind of a fun version, not bad, a little > dancing angst cover - > > tried to find a play list on the station's web site but no such luck so > > no idea who did it but I am sure it is a new version because I never > heard it before and the song they played next was from 1997 and this > station always rotates a new with an old so... > > best info I can give anyone. Sorry Bob I can't do better. > > Vince > > today's favorite quote from the Pirates movie: > Captain Jack Sparrow: "We've reached a special place... Spiritually... > ecumenically... grammatically." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:02:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Media Monopoly in the USA Gees, Kay. If you're gonna pimp a cause, you're supposed to do some persuasive writing. Let me help you out. - ------------ Having just a few people control the Press was a very dangerous thing in a democracy. We need many sources of information, not just Time/Warner, Thompson/RCA/NBC and Disney/ABC. Enough about news. Let's talk about the stranglehold corporations have on radio in the USA. The biggest one is "Clear Channel" but "Emmis" is dangerous too. They have bought up dozens of stations. This has snuffed out many of the small commercial stations that popularized new forms in pop like the rock era and the singer-songwriter era. I'm not a big fan of "country" music but it's the same over there. They play CTV artists and that's it. Play lists are tighter than US Embassy security on July 4th. Having a small number of owners is bad for singer-songwriters and it's bad for Culture. Let's decentralize radio and TV ownership again. Are you in? Lama Kay said, >please fill out the online petition if you also feel that this is important...< http://www.mediareform.net/petition ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:09:49 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: new BYT cover out there notaro@stpt.usf.edu informs in his best librarian vocational fulfullment:: >That is a version by The Counting Crows, featuring Vanessa Carlton. It has been >around for a while, but it is still quite popular. In fact, it is #7 in the >Contemporary Adult chart this week. > Being around for a while AND being #7 this week on a chart would get it played on that station - both old and new - their perfect play list item. So that must be it and now left questioned is why I didn't recognise it - maybe the Vanessa Carlton part threw me, I didn't know that was in the CC version. > >Jerry, who also LOVED Johnny Depp in Pirates > And I have never been a Johnny Depp fan but that performace is the most brilliantly conceptualized consistent in itself but you wonder what possibly will happen next performace I have ever seen - in fact, never seen anything like it. And I just love it. Orlando Bloom's little take off on Johnny Depp's Captian Jack Sparrow is also funny as hell. Geoffery Rush was so droll as the evil Captain Barbarossa. And Keira Knightley was outstanding. > > >>Vince >> >>today's favorite quote from the Pirates movie: >> >> Pirate:I'm gonna teach you the meaning of pain! Elizabeth Swann : You like pain? [hits pirate in the head with a pole] Elizabeth Swann : Try wearing a corset, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:33:12 +0000 From: Roger Burns Subject: Re: looking for book: Joni Mitchell Companion notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: > There is one on Ebay's Half.com Thank you very much! I've placed my order, hopefully I'll be seeing it soon. - Roger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 09:40:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Newbie asks old question: why is cover art unfinished for STAS ? Roger Burns wrote: > What is the story behind why the cover art is unfinished for > Song To A Seagull? > > - Roger I don't think it's unfinished. I think that's what it's supposed to look like. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:32:43 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Joni's Autobiography Does anyone know if Joni has written her autobiography yet?and,when it will be published?I know she has talked about it for a long time. thanks, _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:45:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Fate, the mind & death, njc fate & love- at a very young age i was in love with my first real boyfriend & it lasted years...we could have easily married & i loved him, i somehow always knew that he was not the one i would marry (which was always a very strange feeling)...just as i had a relationship 'knowing', i also had a place 'knowing' & went in search of finding it...i knew instantly when i found it & have been here ever since! i did marry, but not out of 'knowing'...out of thinking i ought to... that marriage did not last...then i started having those 'knowing' feelings again & even some non waking dreams about him...as time went by i could more strongly feel the soul of the person i felt i would be with eventually (rejecting several fine guys along the way because of this 'feeling'...friends & family thought i was nuts) & i knew that i would recognize him by that 'feeling'... i met him eventually (& married) but i can't say the light bulb went off immediately although on some level i did recognize him...but i resisted a bit because sometimes its easier to have a dream stay a dream than to manifest...but soon, when i got over my fear, i recognized the soul of the man i had been waiting for all those years... turns out we both named our kids the same unusual name (from our previous marriages) which always astounds people...when we look at our timeline of where we lived & when, we see an amazing synchronicity of lines crossing in states & even towns where we were at the same time or close to the same time...i.e. when he was a young father he lived on the east coast in apts where my grandparents lived & i would visit...but we never met til decades later & on the west coast...& that meeting was also seemingly a fluke that involved me moving into a place & befriending a neighbor who he was friends with...again,`i had a 'knowing' before hand that i would be moving there (but not aware that it would involove meeting him!) astrology- i have studied it all my life, but i don't have expertise, just observations...i understand it to be currents of how things are working on another level (we know the moon affects the tides...so do the planets affect us in combination to our planetary blueprint (where the planets were when we were born)...but always there are choices involved & sometimes the currents are difficult & sometimes easier... my favorite online astrologer is at astrology zone (you can do a google search)...its a very postive outlook on astrology...& at times very accurate! near death & death experiences- i personally know people who have had these so i have no doubt that these are real...i am not sure if living or dying has to do with one's will to live however...when my mom was dying she very much wanted to live but her body was deteriorating & she tried everything to heal but in the process learned that it was not always about fighting death, it was about allowing healing to occur....but at some point she was ready to go because her body was not worth living in anymore...still her spirit is very strong & i often feel her presence... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:16:04 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Videos Available!! Thanks to Yael for getting the setlists DURING the peformances at fest!!! Because of her diligence, and ONLY because of her diligence, I am able to offer the 2003 Jonifest Videos only DAYS after the Fest! The Masters are made, and ready to go to the duplicators. Les has set up an order form so ordering is easy. The mailing prices might seem high, but these are the actual mailing costs. (I just went down to the Post Office and had them figure out the cost of each type of package.) Unfortunately, the cost was prohibitive to get PAL copies made but Lucy < lulu.hone@virgin.net> has agreed to figure out how to get PAL copies into the hands of those that need them. Please contact her if you need PAL. Otherwise, go here: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm to order NTSC video copies of Jonifest 2003. I will most likely be without internet from August 25-until September 7, so if you have any questions, please ask them quick or wait until after the 7th. The deadline for all orders is September 20th. Here's what is on the tapes: TAPE 1: Anita and Steph opening Joni's guitar that they bought on e-bay Opening Ceremony FRIDAY NIGHT Stryngs: 1. Coyote 2. Handful of Pills 3. Parachute Games 4. Trick of Light Walt Breen Joni at 7 (Noodles) with Susan Guzzi Yael Harlap 1. Court & Spark; with Michael Paz 2. Hounds of Love (by Kate Bush) 3. Charlotte 4. Amelia; with Victor Johnson Jenny Goodspeed 1. Michael from Mountains; with Michael Paz 2. Circle Around the Sun 3. Jonah 4. Ladies of the Canyon Claudia San Soucie 1. Take a Boat to England 2. Way of the Heart 3. Let It Be Your Silence 4. Conversation; with Chris Marshall & Anita TAPE 2: John Van Tiel 1. If My Eyes Were Blind; with Claudia & Les Irvin Les Irvin Both Sides Now Claudia & Steve Polifka Banquet Lucy Hone 1. Shoals of Herrings 2. Streets of London 3. She Moved Through the Fair Les Ross 1. Magdalene Laundries 2. Amelia 3. Case of You Jack Neilson 1. Blue Boy 2. Hello My Old Friend 3. That Song About the Midway 4. End of Louisiana Gisele Hawkins 1. Sunday Morning Coming Down 2. Box #10 3. Drift Away 4. Saint Nasty 5. Amos Moses TAPE 3: SATURDAY NIGHT Bette Benedict Lime Jello Michael Paz 1. Break Away 2. Down to Zero (by Joan Armatrading) 3. Circle Game; with Kay, Claudia, Jenny, Victor, Donna, Nikki, Rachel 4. Woodstock; with Rachel, Jenny, Claudia, Kay 5. Wounded Bird (by Graham Nash); with Nikki Johnson 6. Chinese CafC) Ashara Stansfield 1. Come in from the Cold; with Jenny, Claudia, Paz, Chris 2. The Fallow Way; with Roberto 3. I'll Be There for You; with Roberto, Chris, Les I., Paz, Jenny, Claudia Steve Polifka 1. All I Want (Is To Get High); with Kay, Victor 2. Court & Spark 3. The Distance of Your Heart; with Bob Muller 4. A Case of Mistaken Identity 5. Dog Eat Dog 6. Two Grey Rooms Victor Johnson 1. Heavenly Eyes; with Anita & Donna 2. Real World; with Anita & Donna 3. Carolina; with Anita & Donna 4. You and I (by Stevie Wonder) Bob Sartorius 1. Rainy Day Man TAPE 4: Bob Sartorius 2. Case of You; with Allison & Chuck E 3. Close Your Eyes; with Allison & Chuck E Nikki Johnson 1. Mona Lisas and Mad Hatters; with Paz & Steve Polifka 2. You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio); with Anita, Allison, Lane, Kay, Paz, Chuck E 3. The Weight; with lots of people, versus sung by Allison, Lama, Donna, Kay Kay Ashley 1. Pink Moon (by Nick Drake) 2. Bicycle 3. Coyote; with Chris Marshall 4. Black Crow Catherine McKay 1. Woman of Heart and Mind 2. Electricity 3. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Allison Einerson 1. The Junkie Song 2. Woman of Heart and Mind 3. Behind the Wall (by Tracy Chapman); with Strings & Sue Stryngs 1. In France They Kiss on Main Street 2. That Night 3. Perfect Cruelty 4. Ivory White Alibis (?) Bob Murphy Jackie Mason Mags presenting Ashara with giftsb& TAPE 5: SUNDAY NIGHT Susan Guzzi 1. Don't Know Why; with Chris, Paz, Martin Giles 2. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire; with Catherine & Anita 3. Love Me or Leave Me; with Roberto 4. Chuck E's in Love; with Gisele Barbara Little 1. Blue Motel Room; with Roberto 2. Black Crow; with Roberto, Chris, Paz 3. At Last; with Roberto Anita Gabrielle Tedder 1.Great Spirit 2. I Think I Understand 3. Come to the Water; with Yael, Jenny, Claudia 4. Woodstock/We Are All Made of Stars; with Yael, Jenny, Claudia, Rachel Donna Binkley 1. Let's Go Back to Bed 2. In Spite of Ourselves (by John Prine 3. Song of the Soul (by Cris Williamson); with Bob Muller Harmony group 1. Blue; Jenny, Kay, Catherine, Claudia, Yael 2. Shadows and Light Nickel Creek group 1. Out of the Woods; Paz, Chris, Martin, Jenny, Allison, Les I. 2. The Light House's Tale; Paz, Chris, Jenny, Allison, Les I. 3. Catch You When You Fall; Paz, Chris, Jenny, Allison, Les I. SugarPants Cease Interfering with the Sadness; Ashara, Lucy, Donna, Mags, Lori, Susan, Bob Murphy Mags reading the messages from non-attendees TAPE 6: Broadway group 1. Somewhere (West Side Story); Roberto & Co. 2. Bring Him Home (Les Mis); Roberto & Victor 3. All That Jazz (Chicago); Roberto & Co. Stryngs 1. Case of You 2. Bobblehats and Beer 3. Sweet as Lemons 4. Frank's Song; with Rachel & Claudia Chuck E 1. Rainy Night House 2. Rita's Song 3. Lying to the Moon; with Les I. 4. Trouble Child; with Paz Bob Muller 1. A Soldier's Things (by Tom Waits); with Roberto 2. Ethiopia; with Roberto 3. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow; with Paz, Anita, Chris Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:36:54 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: magdalene sisters NJC Maggie came up from Cambridge last night to take me out to see The Magdelene Sisters and then out to dinner for my birthday. The first half of the movie, I was so angry I could have spit. Then the pain and injustice of this entire situation hit me and I cried throughout the entire second half of the movie. It was very well done, very powerful, and very provoking. Lucy, thank you for the story of Ruby Mary Neruda J McBride. No offense intended to anyone, but I find it almost impossible to know of these injustices and understand how someone could still have such deep faith in a religion that perpetuates this inhuman things. It is just not within my comprehension. Hugs and tears, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: magdalene sisters NJC --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: No offense > intended to anyone, but I find it almost impossible > to know of these injustices and > understand how someone could still have such deep > faith in a religion that > perpetuates this inhuman things. It is just not > within my comprehension. I was raised with that BS and I don't get it either - not that anything I was raised with goes anywhere near the inhumanity of what this film portrays (I haven't seen it yet and so am going on what others are saying). I think it all goes back to being taught as a child that you'll get your reward in heaven - if you drill this into a child's head from an early age, they will believe it. It may be that the only solace these people got was praying for some kind of release - I suppose it's not unlike the black slaves singing songs about how wonderful the afterlife was going to be, given how terrible their current earthly situation was - - it may have been the only thing that provided them with some kind of hope. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:48:35 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Wally's posts > Since aol people are not getting his posts, maybe someone > could take charge of forwarding them. I miss him so. If takes on the job of forwarding Wallista's posts, you can at least read each day's digests. These can be found in the archives on the smoe server (links are below). Be patient for the index to load, as the archives contain posts from several years ago until today. The latest digest will be at the bottom of the screen. "Regular" list (including NJC): http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ "Only-Joni" list: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni/ Lori, who would love to see all the AOLers dump AOL for something that isn't so fecking particular ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:41:27 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: [Over The Rhine] 's new release! njc John, Bree, Kay, Mark, Victor, Les, Kakki, Paz, Maggie, Chuck, Ashara, et al. There's a new, 2-CD release from [Over The Rhine], called "OHIO". As you'd expect, the songs are pared-down piano & voice arrangements with their trademark attention to lyrics. Some have Beatle-esque drum parts, some don't. Sample: "You were 80 percent angel, 10 percent demon. The rest was hard to explain." At present, [Over The Rhine] is my favorite export product from the river city of Cincinnati, Ohio. Lama PS, They'll be appearing here [hi Bree], next Saturday then in some JMDL-friendly towns like: Sun Oct 12: New York NY, Bottom Line [Kay, I know you're not lurking this week!] Tue Oct 14: Boston MA, T.T. the Bears [Maggie, Chuck, Ashara? Who's in?] Thu Oct 16: Arlington VA, Iota [I hope you and Claud will be in the USA to see this show, John. Karin is as breath-taking as ever, in more ways than one.] Fri Oct 17: Asheville NC, Stella Blue [Victor, are you in Atlanta or Ashville?] Sat Oct 18: Atlanta GA, Echo Lounge [Surely someone is in Hot-tlanta?] Sun Oct 19: Nashville TN, 12th and Porter [Are there any JMDLers in Music City?] Wed Oct 29: Denver CO, Bluebird Thu Oct 30: Colorado Springs CO, 32 Bleu [Les, are you reading me?] Mon Nov 3: Seattle WA, Tractor Tavern [Mark, this band opened for the Junkies for about a year. Linford and Karin are largely responsible for the "big" sound of the Junkies' "OPEN".] Sat Nov 8: Los Angeles CA, Knitting Factory [I don't think there are any JMDLers in LA are there? :)] Fri Nov 14: New Orleans LA, The Parish [Michael, ask for dem comp tickets now!] Lama PS, None of you can have my autographed copy of OHIO, nor the autographed poster! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:54:29 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest men NJC I was far more impressed with the Jonifest women, but thanks very much. I am also an honorary lesbian several times over. Best Paz > PSSSST......can you believe those Jonifest men? Can we have a discussion > about jonifest men? Jonifest men are among the most beautiful and > special men I have ever met. The gay men.. the straight men... and all of > them in between. Cute..cute and adorable. What can you say about these > Jonifest men? > > > PS. I'm assuming that the JMDL men who have not yet attended are equally > as special. > > > > "You could charm the diamonds off a rattlesnake" > > > Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:56:37 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Beatles (NJC) I meant to comment on this as well Janet. I spilled my drink, stepped on the cat, and fell down biting at the carpet when I read this post. Thank God I didn't look at Ringo too much. Best Paz > --- Janet Hess wrote: >> Ringo, bless him, >> winked at me, and I became a dyke. > > Janet, this is one of the funniest lines I've read in > a long time. I guess that was a defining moment for you! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:44:40 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni M Anthology songbook << From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: And another thing on Shadows and Light I'm sure this has been discussed before so I apologize in advance, but does anyone have anything to say about the 'Joni Mitchell Anthology' song book that Amazon is pushing with Shadows and Light at this URL? I recently acquired a Yamaha keyboard and am looking around for piano sheet music. I never had a piano growing up but always wanted one. So I am pretty much a beginner. I read music and I know where the notes are on the keyboard but never having been able to practice regularly, I struggle getting through very simple stuff. Does this book have haflway decent arrangements that you don't have to be Roberto Holliston to be able to struggle through? Mark E. in Seattle >> Mark; I have the Anthology songbook and I'm a beginner on piano also (started lessons at age 58) but I've learned one important thing from my teacher: you don't always have to play it the way it's written. You can change it (eliminate some of the difficult little floroushes and extra notes) so that it's easier for you to play and few people will know the difference. If you really want to play it as it's written, note for note, then I couldn't tell you if the music in this book is easy or hard... you'll just have to try it and see what happens. I've also found that many Joni songs are not very fulfilling to play on piano unless you're a good singer, since many piano parts are not that interesting compared to the vocals. In other words, if you just play the piano parts to a s9ong, you might jot even know which song it is unless someone is singing the vocals which contain the real style of the song. A few, like "Both Sides Now" are fairly easy to play and the piano alone sounds good even if no one is singing along. Kenny B (wishing he was a better player than he is) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 22:01:33 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #416 - byt listening to some northern Michigan radio station in the jeep and heard a brand new version of BYT by some guy - kind of a fun version, not bad, a little dancing angst cover - tried to find a play list on the station's web site but no such luck so no idea who did it but I am sure it is a new version because I never heard it before and the song they played next was from 1997 and this station always rotates a new with an old so... best info I can give anyone. Sorry Bob I can't do better. Vince you probably heard the Counting Crows cover of BYT, with Adam Duritz doing the lead vocal....been on the charts for about 7 months now, still hanging in there on the adult contemporary chart, has actually turned out to be a pretty big hit Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:09:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Autobiography and blank pages Anon anon writes: << Does anyone know if Joni has written her autobiography yet? >> She's probably still writing the chapter about the evils and stupidity of the music biz and that chapter alone is probably about 20,000 pages long. And speaking of Ethel Merman, did you know that she had a chapter listed in her autobio entitled something like "Marriage to Ernest Borgnine," and when the reader turned to that page it was blank! I wonder who and what Joni would give blank pages to . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:28:48 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: fate (NJC) In a message dated 8/22/2003 7:20:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > One of my dreams is to one day be able to perform at a > Jonifest. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sign this boy up!!!!!!!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:02:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: magdalene sisters NJC Ashara writes: << Maggie came up from Cambridge last night to take me out to see The Magdelene Sisters and then out to dinner for my birthday. >> That Maggie is so thoughtful, isn't she? For my last birthday she took me to see "Bambi's Mother Meets Bergman's Death." Didn't get a dinner, though. Seriously, though . . . regarding "The Magdelene Sisters," I actually saw a letter to the editor of Metro -- a free weekday newspaper for Boston commuters - -- last week which defended the church for running these slave shops. The writer said that most Irish people lived below the poverty line in the 60s and that once these women had been shunned by their families, their only options would have been prostitution or destitution (sounds like Joni's lyrics). Which only leads me to think that some people will do anything to defend the church, even at its most evil. Speaking of evil, Fr. Geoghan, the priest whose pedophila case brought the whole priest child rape scandal in Greater Boston into the open, was murdered in prison today. There are no details about his murder yet, even though it happened this afternoon. Conspiracy theorist that I am becoming, I would guess that the church may be responsible for this odd silence. I would have once thought that would be somewhat paranoid thinking, but I have seen the extent of the church's power in Boston over the past couple of years and it is beyond merely formidable. Ashara also writes: << I find it almost impossible to know of these injustices and understand how someone could still have such deep faith in a religion that perpetuates this inhuman things. It is just not within my comprehension. >> A big ME TOO to that. And when it comes to pedophile priests, I could not understand non-Catholics who stood on the sidelines and said, "It's a Catholic thing, so it's none of my business." (I actually heard that a few times when the scandal was at its height.) First of all, it seems obvious to me that the rape of children should concern everyone. If more people became involved, it could save some children from this soul-killing horror. And second, many of these sick priests were quietly dismissed from their duties and released into communities everywhere, where they found new victims who weren't necessarily Catholic -- so the evil that the Catholic church (or any church) has done or may do in the future really is everybody's business. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:04:36 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Performances and some funny stuff at the fest NJC The day we had the now infamous chocolate chip pancakes Ron was sitting across from me.... I asked him would they have this type of thing for breakfast in South Africa. He thought for a minute and said " they would think you were quite MAD" It was just the way he said it..so low key..it cracked my up. Jack Merkel: We enlisted Jack to help us to deposit the rocks around the Full Moon. As we were walking across the street Jack shorts were slipping a bit because he had several secreted in them. Some of them were heavy..like boulders. :-) I took a picture of Jack right after this.. from behind... you can see some of these strange growths coming out of Jack. PERFORMANCES: The good doctor...Peter and I were discussing how the all the performers were top-notch and that many of you IF in our local areas we would come out and pay to see you. You guys were that good. Professional...lost your self to the song....you made it look easy. And you know.... I would say we are a pretty discriminating audience considering this is the Joni discussion list NOT the Britney. So I thank ALL of you for a wonderful three nights of the best entertainment...... Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:15:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Performances and some funny stuff at the fest NJC --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > PERFORMANCES: The good doctor...Peter and I were > discussing how the all the > performers were top-notch and that many of you IF > in our local areas we > would come out and pay to see you. You guys were > that good. > Professional...lost your self to the song....you > made it look easy. And > you know.... I would say we are a pretty > discriminating audience considering > this is the Joni discussion list NOT the Britney. I dunno, Bree. Somehow I don't think "Oops, I did it again" would be all that easy to sing! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:16:26 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Wally & AOL > Like everyone else, I'm baffled. When you post to SMOE, I don't get > it. So no one who uses AOL gets Wally's smoe posts? Is it just the Fibertal connection, or ... I wonder if anyone else from Argentina can get through? (Do we have any other subscribers from Argentina?) Can the AOL users do something to their spam catchers to make them ALLOW Wally's posts? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:18:42 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: sorry sorry sorry njc > Possible solutions: > - everyone boycotts aol because it's not playing nice. I keep SAYING this, but no one will listen to me. There's a reason why it's also called AOHell, ya know. Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #417 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)