From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #410 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 410 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Paz's drums, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni the wildflower ["hell" ] Sometimes CD really IS superior, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Beat of Black Wings [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Sometimes CD really IS superior, njc [Catherine McKay ] Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) [Fauchja@aol.com] Beat of Black Wings -- Johnny Angel -- who recorded it first? ["Timothy S] Re: Beat of Black Wings -- Johnny Angel -- who recorded it first? ["Chris] vacation [Dflahm@aol.com] J [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Johnny Angel [Aerchak@aol.com] RE: J (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: J (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni In Fiction [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: J [Fauchja@aol.com] Joni mentions in "Women Who Rock" July/August 2003; 5-octave Brazilian ["] Re: Joni mentions in "Women Who Rock" July/August 2003; 5-octave Brazilian [SCJoniGuy@aol.] RE: J (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] 5-octave Brazilian njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: J (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] njc Digital cameras njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: J (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Funny times at JoniFest 2003, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: vacation [Michael Paz ] Re: J (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: J (njc) [Michael Paz ] Beatles (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: J (njc) ["David Rahall" ] Re: J (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: J (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Funny times at JoniFest 2003, njc [Michael Paz ] Re: (NJC) what? [Michael Paz ] Re: (NJC) what? [vince ] Re: Beatles (NJC) [vince ] Photos and reports from this year's Fest [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: (NJC) what? [Susan Guzzi ] Re: J (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Photos and reports from this year's Fest [AsharaJM@aol.com] Beat of Black Wings ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: Beat of Black Wings [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Beat of Black Wings ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Funny times at JoniFest 2003, njc [Catherine McKa] Re: Photos and reports from this year's Fest [PassScribe@aol.com] the aol mystery solved!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: the aol mystery solved!!! njc [Catherine McKay ] and now? njc ["oso" ] Re: voila! njc [Catherine McKay ] Today's Library Links: August 20 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:06:17 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Paz's drums, njc PAZ wrote:. Special thanks to everyone for allowing me to sit > in on Cajon (a Peruvian drum instrument that emulates the sound of a whole > drum kit). Ashara asked me to bring it for her set and I ended up sitting in > with Stryngs as well as many other sets. It was the first time I have ever > played it on stage altho it has been a part of my home jam sessions for > quite a few years now. Ashara commandeered mine to take back to Boston with > her so I have to order a new one. For those of you who asked me about > getting them, the retail is $390 each on them but I can get them for $234 + > freight. They have a few accessories you can get with them as well. Like the > pad to sit on, a Zither tuning key (to adjust the strings inside), and a > carry bag. Anyone who is interested I would be happy to hook you up with > one. Hi Michael, I'm very curious about this instrument and have never heard of it before. Is there a web site where I can see what it looks like? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:04:25 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower Bob wrote: > Anyway, today she threw out a quote from Bambi which had to do > with "Flower" (the skunk). Jan then mentioned a King short story > called "The Man Who Loved Flowers" about a serial killer, and I > mentioned Joni's use of flowers in her work, from her cover art > to her lyrics, and one that really stood out to me was this one > from Song For Sharon: > > The power of reason > And the flowers of deep feeling > Seem to serve me > Only to deceive me > > A great lyric on a couple of different levels, the rhyme coming > in the middle of the phrase as opposed to the end. How like Joni! > I mean, if you're going to use unconventional instrument tunings, > why not use unconventional lyric patterns as well? Plus, that whole > phrase "the flowers of deep feeling"...I think she's referring > to a bridal bouquet here, but if anyone has any other thoughts, > I'd love to hear them. I think Catherine already said something like this, but to me, the word "flowers" is used more as a verb, not a noun. In other words, the deep feelings "flower", ie. slowly bloom into life. This makes more sense (to me) than Joni saying her deep feelings are any particular variety of flower. And I love the game you play with your sisters, especially the Stephen King references! Can I play next time? Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:47:15 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Sometimes CD really IS superior, njc >"Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > > I admit it. Sometimes a CD wipes the floor with my old vinyl. Case in > point: the re-mastered ALL THINGS MUST PASS, by George Harrison. > > I bought the 3-LP set when it was brand new back in 1653. You mean they made LPs back in 1653? I would simply like to add that I did a side by side comparison between the regular CD of All Things Must Pass and the remastered version, and the remastered is so much clearer in sound. If you're into George, there are some very interesting bootlegs of the outtakes + "making of All Things Must Pass". Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:26:30 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Sometimes CD really IS superior, njc Now I don't feel so guilty about getting rid of ALL of my vinyl, although my nephew dumpster dived for half of it. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:34:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower, NJC now In a message dated 8/19/2003 7:04:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > And I love the game you play with your sisters, especially > the Stephen King > references! Can I play next time? You bet, Hell! I'll copy you in on the conversation. I'll have to make sure of my facts though in my Joni connections since you'll be looking over my shoulder. Just promise you won't sic the d*ngoes on me if I mess up! :~) Bob NP: Uncle Tupelo, "Graveyard Shift" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:38:49 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings In a message dated 8/18/2003 5:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AzeemAK writes: > I always thought this was "Johnny Angel", a reference to > the old song - don't > know who first did it, Shelly Fabares had the hit with it - and fwiw, I've also associated that song with the "Charlie Angel" that Joni sings in the backing of 'Beat Of Black Wings'. This was actually Joni's second mention of Killer Kyle, the first being in "Cactus Tree". She's told the story a couple of times in regards to meeting him at Fort Bragg in Fayetteville NC in the sixties when she was one of the few performers to play there. Bob NP: Uncle Tupelo, "Outdone" (1989 demo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:43:43 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Beat of Black Wings I remember the original well..."Johnny Angel, how I love him, and I hope that someday he'll love me, and together we will see how lovely heaven can be..." I was in fifth grade, and there was this boy, you see, and other than my father, I'd have to say he was my first crush. Sigh. That's only one reason that I think this song is brilliant, but I have to admit that hearing the refrain of Johnny Angel in the song won my heart years ago when I first heard Beat of Black Wings. Best, Maggie Boston/Cambridge -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 8:39 AM To: AzeemAK@aol.com; steve@hatstand.org; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings In a message dated 8/18/2003 5:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AzeemAK writes: > I always thought this was "Johnny Angel", a reference to > the old song - don't > know who first did it, Shelly Fabares had the hit with it - and fwiw, I've also associated that song with the "Charlie Angel" that Joni sings in the backing of 'Beat Of Black Wings'. This was actually Joni's second mention of Killer Kyle, the first being in "Cactus Tree". She's told the story a couple of times in regards to meeting him at Fort Bragg in Fayetteville NC in the sixties when she was one of the few performers to play there. Bob NP: Uncle Tupelo, "Outdone" (1989 demo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:01:19 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings In a message dated 8/19/2003 9:43:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mm@celebrityseries.org writes: > That's only one reason that I think this song is brilliant, but I have to admit that hearing the refrain of Johnny Angel in the song won my heart years ago when I first heard Beat > of Black Wings. Oh, you know what hooked me on it Maggie? That chord change... you know, the one that comes after each opening line, follows "Killer Kyle", "on the sidewalk with chalk", etc. That's a beautiful chord change, I'd love to know why it has the effect on me that it does. In a recent cover of the song that I got, the artists sings the change as opposed to playing it on an instrument. Pretty cool, because I felt like the chord change affected her the same way and she felt compelled to vocalize it. Bob NP: U2, "4th of July" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:57:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sometimes CD really IS superior, njc --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > > If you're into George, there are some very > interesting bootlegs of the > outtakes + "making of All Things Must Pass". OK, Laurent, I'll bite - where might a person acquire these things? I love George and "All things must pass" is one of my all-time favourite records. I never noticed anything wrong with my LP, so either Lama's really unlucky or my hearing sucks. But I bought the CD almost as soon as it came out in the new/remastered version (was that a year ago, or more? I dunno - my memory sucks too.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower --- notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: > I'm not sure who > > really said this, but I've heard it attributed to > > Cher, among others: "Marriage is a fine > institution - > > but who wants to be in an institution?" > > One of Groucho Marx's more famous lines. > I was pretty darn sure it wasn't Cher, but a few people (what do they know?) told me it was. Maybe she was quoting Groucho or maybe she never said anything of the kind. I knew someone on the list would have the real info. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:25:41 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:40:57 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Beat of Black Wings -- Johnny Angel -- who recorded it first? On Monday, 18 Aug 2003, AzeemAK@aol.com (Azeem), wrote (on Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings): In a message dated 18/08/2003 21:55:28 GMT Daylight Time, steve@hatstand.org writes: >I always thought it was "Charlie Angel" but have never been quite sure. >I think it is one of the strongest songs on CMIARS but that line doesn't >seem to fit in lime with the rest of the song, at least not for me. > > I always thought this was "Johnny Angel", a reference to the old song - don't know who first did it, but I remember the Carpenters' version. I thought it was an ironic counterpoint to such a grim song, a reminiscence of a soppy and sentimental love song, which includes a line about "Together we will see how lovely heaven can be." Clever stuff! I agree that it's a strong song, the best on the album, along with My Secret Place. I have to say I don't have the indulgence some have towards Dancing Clown - I think it's utter rubbish! Azeem in London Shelley [or Shelly] Fabares recorded "Johnny Angel" originally. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:57:32 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings -- Johnny Angel -- who recorded it first? Well, the 'Johnny Angel' snippet kind of makes sense to me - it provides a sharp contrast to the soldier's current state - perhaps it's making reference to a time when he was in love, before the war, when life was full of promise. "Dancing Clown" gives me gas. - -Chris NP: New Erykah Badu single, "Danger (Block, Unblock)"...kickass! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Spong" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Beat of Black Wings -- Johnny Angel -- who recorded it first? > On Monday, 18 Aug 2003, AzeemAK@aol.com (Azeem), wrote (on Subject: Re: Beat > of Black Wings): > > In a message dated 18/08/2003 21:55:28 GMT Daylight Time, steve@hatstand.org > writes: > > >I always thought it was "Charlie Angel" but have never been quite sure. > >I think it is one of the strongest songs on CMIARS but that line doesn't > >seem to fit in lime with the rest of the song, at least not for me. > > > > > > I always thought this was "Johnny Angel", a reference to the old song - > don't > know who first did it, but I remember the Carpenters' version. I thought it > was an ironic counterpoint to such a grim song, a reminiscence of a soppy > and > sentimental love song, which includes a line about "Together we will see how > lovely heaven can be." > > Clever stuff! I agree that it's a strong song, the best on the album, along > with My Secret Place. I have to say I don't have the indulgence some have > towards Dancing Clown - I think it's utter rubbish! > > Azeem in London > > > Shelley [or Shelly] Fabares recorded "Johnny Angel" originally. > > > Tim Spong > Dover, Del., U.S.A. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:57:33 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: vacation We are going away 'til Sept. 10. Everyone take care & thrive. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:58:36 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: J In a message dated 8/19/2003 11:25:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Fauchja writes: > j And here we have what is quintessentially the ultimate post to this list, as succinct as a post can be. After all, if you just send a blank message, then it could be construed that it was some kind of mistake, and indeed no message is communicated at all. And you could say "Joni rules", or simply "Joni", but why not distill it down even more, down to the ONE KEY letter in Joni's name...surely you wouldn't use the "o" or the "i", and why on earth would you use the consonant in the MIDDLE of her name? No, the "J" is the perfect choice! It really says it all, and there's no way one can argue with it. J. Brilliant. Bob NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan, "May I Have A Talk With You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:59:09 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Johnny Angel I think Johnny Angel may have been recorded by Shelly Faberes (pronounced faberay). I think she was on one of those family tv shows in the 60s also. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:10:48 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: J (njc) > It really says it all, and there's no way one can argue with it. > > J. > > Brilliant. You're absolutely right because as you know, J. stands for Johnson and there is nothing better than being a Johnson. Current members of the Johnson club: Jody Johnson Scott Johnson Nikki Johnson Michael Paz "Johnson" Johnson Van Tiel Roberto "Johnson" Ashara Stanfield "Johnson" Strings "Johnson" There may be some more openings next year so don't worry if you haven't gotten the opportunity to join this very exclusive club. Victor Johnson NP: Roger Lucey "No Easy Walk to Freedom" -courtesy of Ron from South Africa(thanks Ron!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:27:56 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: J (njc) In a message dated 8/19/2003 4:10:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > You're absolutely right because as you know, J. stands for > Johnson and > there is nothing better than being a Johnson. I thought you were going to praise the "J" because it's worth 8 points! :~) Any other lurking Johnson's out there? Speaking of one-letter things, did you ever see the Atlanta band Pylon? They were one of my favorites, and they had a song called "K". Bob NP: SRV, "Leave My Girl Alone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:42:07 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni In Fiction Hey Murphy, Tear yourself away from "Sweet Sixteen Take 2" long enough to catch this new book from Garrison Keillor with a Joni mention: http://www.nola.com/living/t-p/index.ssf?/base/living-1/10612692568460.xml Bob NP: Suzanne Vega, "Neighborhood Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:52:22 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: J I was having computer problems, and that's what got sent. Thanks so much for rubbing my face in it. That's why I lurk on this list. Whenever I've tried to post, somebody tries to slam dunk. Thanks Bob! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:38:48 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni mentions in "Women Who Rock" July/August 2003; 5-octave Brazilian Fellow jmdlers, The July/August issue of "Women Who Rock," which labels itself as a "Special Collector's Edition," has as its cover story "The Essentials: 50 Women who Rocked the World." No. 1 was Madonna, "A Pop Tart With Endless Flavor." No. 50 was Josie and the Pussycats, "Cartoon Rockers Divide Their Audience." No. 7 weas Joni Mitchell, "From Vulnerable Waif to Venerable Queen." Each of the 50 items lists followers -- for Joni, Morrissey, Tori Amos, Prince and Emmylou Harris, and Now Hear This! -- for Joni, "Blue" and "The Hissing of Summer Lawns." Elsewhere in the magazine is an "Icon-o-Quiz," and the subject is Joni Mitchell. Thanks to subscribing to and reading the JMDL, I got 9 of 10 right; the answer key pronounces, for those who score 8-10, "You're a woman of heart and mind." Others receiving ink in this issue -- not all within the 50, which may or may not be rank-ordered by impact (not merit) -- include fellow Canadians Molly Johnson ("smoky jazz," "sultry standards with a bluesy flair") and sister act Tegan and Sara (described here as "Canada's hottest rock 'n' roll sister act" and elsewhere as folk-rock); Mary Fahl, formerly of October Project, who may or may not be Canadian (it says she studied at McGill University, which is in Montreal) and "grew up listening to her brothers' Bob Dylan and Pink Floyd records and her sisters' Joni MItchell and Dusty Springfield albums"; Judy Collins, whose "This I Know" article includes "I don't like the word 'cover.' Songwriters write material, and people interpret that material, and that's what's supposed to happen. Great songs transcend their writers and move on to other artists, whether they're by Mozart or Barry Manilow"; Stacey Earle; and the late Nina Simone, who is the subject of a tribute occupying all of the last page, and also is No. 44 "Put a Spell on Us" in the 50 essentials. By the bye, in the past few weeks, I have read of a Brazilian female vocalist for whom a 5-octave vocal range is claimed. I don't recall the name, nor where I read it. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:43:25 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mentions in "Women Who Rock" July/August 2003; 5-octave Brazilian In a message dated 8/19/2003 3:38:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tim_spong@hotmail.com writes: > Thanks to subscribing to > and reading the JMDL, I got 9 of 10 right; Well fess up Tim...which one did you miss? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:45:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: J (njc) about moi, bien sur. wally (nee K) - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Martes, 19 de Agosto de 2003 02:28 p.m. Para: waytoblu@mindspring.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: J (njc) Speaking of one-letter things, did you ever see the Atlanta band Pylon? They were one of my favorites, and they had a song called "K". Bob NP: SRV, "Leave My Girl Alone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:51:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: 5-octave Brazilian njc contemporary? i know yma sumac (though either peruvian or a brooklynite, depending on your favorite legend), but she must very dead already. still, there was a brazilian woman i heard on cd when i was in canada. she seemed to have quite a range. stephen epstein must remember her name (he owned the cd!). wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Timothy Spong Enviado el: Martes, 19 de Agosto de 2003 04:39 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Joni mentions in "Women Who Rock" July/August 2003; 5-octave Brazilian Fellow jmdlers, By the bye, in the past few weeks, I have read of a Brazilian female vocalist for whom a 5-octave vocal range is claimed. I don't recall the name, nor where I read it. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:07:43 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: J (njc) In a message dated 8/19/2003 3:45:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > about moi, bien sur. > wally (nee K) It could be...but the one that I think is about you is the one that goes: Tall & tan & young & lovely The boy from Argentina goes walkin' And when he passes, each one he passes goes...ahhhhhhh! :~) B NP: Suzanne Vega, "Predictions" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:12:18 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: njc Digital cameras njc All you knowledgeable folk out there, I'm looking to buy a cheapish digital camera, minimum specs 2MP, some optical zoom capacity, reasonable battery life, absolute maximum price #150. If anyone can offer advice or recommendations, please email me privately - and soon! I'm off on Sunday, so will be selecting very soon... Cheers y'all, Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:16:43 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: J (NJC) On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 07:52 PM, Fauchja@aol.com wrote: > I was having computer problems, and that's what got sent. Thanks so > much for > rubbing my face in it. That's why I lurk on this list. Whenever I've > tried > to post, somebody tries to slam dunk. Thanks Bob! Ouch. I didn't see any criticism implied in any of the posts, just gentle good humour. So come on out of lurk mode, the water's warm here. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:24:55 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Funny times at JoniFest 2003, njc I don't know who I'm writing this FOR so I suppose I'm breaking the first rule taught in Lit class. Anyway, Sugarpants kicked it up into the realm of experimental theatre this year and it was very, very funny! I don't think anyone has yet told the story yet so I'll do it now. Sugarpants presented a beat poetry session this year. The premise was to present Catherine McKay's re-write of "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". The women filed in, dressed all in black, complete with dark sunglasses, looking exactly as you would expect beat poets to look. After reciting a few lines, each woman would look expectantly at Murphy who was the requisite percussionist, yet not a full-fledged member of Sugarpants. (an associate member? the men's auxiliary?) He'd grok the moment, and when the Spirit moved him, he struck Paz'es Cajon drum once. Just once. Verse after verse unreeled as a mute, played by Ashara (with a huge patch of duct tape over her mouth), signed for the hearing impaired. Because, after all, JoniFest is an inclusive bunch. After the line about "your man gets weak", Murphy gave an appropriately weak, half-hearted, "thuck" on the Cajon. In Mitchell-esque contradiction, it was the mute who had the best line of all. She had been signing along in double-time, breaking a sweat, frantic to keep up. On the lines "Milk of the Madonna / clan-des-tine" she snapped, "NO **WAY**! I'VE HAD IT! I'M NOT GOING TO SIGN 'milk of the Madonna!" and stalked off. *********************** I love the in-jokes among the musicians too. Queen Lucy is a master of accents and has a novelists command of detail. In a brilliant stroke, she followed a smutty joke about an upper-class woman with a touching song about those less fortunate. The song was "The Streets of London". Being completely comfortable with story-telling AND a microphone, Lucy announced that she was going to play the song but didn't quite know all of the chords. But she intended to play it anyway. Sure enough, on the refrain, there was one clinker. On the second pass, Lucy guessed, "G7, I *think*." :) *********************** You had to be there and next year, you'll have a chance. Lama So, I guess I was writing for all of the non-attendants, right? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:39:39 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Paz's drums, njc HI Laurent- Yes Go to fatcongas.com . The one I have tis the CJST which is a string Cajon. You can even hear what it sounds like on the page. Best to you Paz > PAZ wrote:. Special thanks to everyone for allowing me to sit >> in on Cajon (a Peruvian drum instrument that emulates the sound of a whole >> drum kit). Ashara asked me to bring it for her set and I ended up sitting > in >> with Stryngs as well as many other sets. It was the first time I have ever >> played it on stage altho it has been a part of my home jam sessions for >> quite a few years now. Ashara commandeered mine to take back to Boston > with >> her so I have to order a new one. For those of you who asked me about >> getting them, the retail is $390 each on them but I can get them for $234 > + >> freight. They have a few accessories you can get with them as well. Like > the >> pad to sit on, a Zither tuning key (to adjust the strings inside), and a >> carry bag. Anyone who is interested I would be happy to hook you up with >> one. > > Hi Michael, > I'm very curious about this instrument and have never heard of it before. > Is there a web site where I can see what it looks like? > Thanks > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:42:48 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: vacation Bon Voyage' mon ami. Freda has free tickets to NYC on Jet Blue and I am trying to talk her into picking me to go with her (altho that is doubtful) maybe dumb luck will prevail and I can come by and see you guys. Hope you have a wonderful vacation. Best Paz > We are going away 'til Sept. 10. Everyone take care & thrive. DAVID > LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: J (NJC) --- Chris Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 07:52 PM, > Fauchja@aol.com wrote: > > I was having computer problems, and that's what > got sent. Thanks so > > much for > > rubbing my face in it. That's why I lurk on this > list. Whenever I've > > tried > > to post, somebody tries to slam dunk. Thanks Bob! > > Ouch. I didn't see any criticism implied in any of > the posts, just > gentle good humour. > > So come on out of lurk mode, the water's warm here. > > --Chris Marshall Amen to that. Bob Muller is a fine man with a wacky sense of humour. He was just teasing you (he saves being mean for one of those other Bobs ;) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:43:57 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: J (njc) I am an honorary Johnson. Does that count? Paz > In a message dated 8/19/2003 4:10:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > >> You're absolutely right because as you know, J. stands for >> Johnson and >> there is nothing better than being a Johnson. > > I thought you were going to praise the "J" because it's worth > 8 points! :~) > > Any other lurking Johnson's out there? > > Speaking of one-letter things, did you ever see the Atlanta > band Pylon? They were one of my favorites, and they had a song > called "K". > > Bob > > NP: SRV, "Leave My Girl Alone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:51:56 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Beatles (NJC) Some of you Beatle junkies wanna know what to get ME for Christmas. YaY! Paz New Beatles DVD On The Way The Beatles manage to continue their tradition of releasing new product every year in time for the Christmas season, with a new two-DVD collection, 'The Ed Sullivan Show Featuring the Beatles'. The new package features 20 live performances by the band spread over four episodes of the legendary US TV variety series 'The Ed Sullivan Show.' These include The Beatles famous first ever American TV appearance on February 9, 1964, which , with an estimated 73 million viewers, was watched by the largest audience of any US television show ever. Andrew Solt, owner of the 'Ed Sullivan Show' archives and executive producer of the project, had been in negotiations for more than five years to get clearance to release the footage. And this will be first time the performances have been available in their entirety since the episodes originally aired in 1964 and 1965. Solt describes the first Sullivan show as, "The seminal moment of the rock revolution. Beatlemania was born right there on that stage." The four-hour two-DVD collection features live performances including 'I Want To Hold Your Hand,' 'She Loves You,' 'I Feel Fine,' 'Help!' and 'Yesterday,' it also (rather strangely) includes appearances by Cab Calloway, Mitzi Gaynor, Soupy Sales and Frank Gorshin. Most of whom I've never heard of. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:48:22 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: J (njc) I saw Pylon a looooong time ago with the B-52's at the Fox Theater in Atlanta (1980?)! Don't remember the song "K," though. In fact I don't remember much about Pylon, except that I liked them at the time. I'll have to dig out that lp.:-) David - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Speaking of one-letter things, did you ever see the Atlanta > band Pylon? They were one of my favorites, and they had a song > called "K". > > Bob > > NP: SRV, "Leave My Girl Alone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:54:01 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: J (njc) WAIT A FECKING MINUTE HERE! What about my cousin Chris "The Great Bottom Johnson" and then infamous Queen Lulu Johnson????? Just wanna know Paz >> It really says it all, and there's no way one can argue with it. >> >> J. >> >> Brilliant. > > > You're absolutely right because as you know, J. stands for Johnson and > there is nothing better than being a Johnson. > > Current members of the Johnson club: > > Jody Johnson > Scott Johnson > Nikki Johnson > Michael Paz "Johnson" > Johnson Van Tiel > Roberto "Johnson" > Ashara Stanfield "Johnson" > Strings "Johnson" > > There may be some more openings next year so don't worry if you haven't > gotten the opportunity to join this very exclusive club. > > Victor Johnson > > NP: Roger Lucey "No Easy Walk to Freedom" -courtesy of Ron from South > Africa(thanks Ron!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:55:02 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: J (NJC) Warm??? Yes! Thanks to you peeing in it! Paz > On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 07:52 PM, Fauchja@aol.com wrote: >> I was having computer problems, and that's what got sent. Thanks so >> much for >> rubbing my face in it. That's why I lurk on this list. Whenever I've >> tried >> to post, somebody tries to slam dunk. Thanks Bob! > > Ouch. I didn't see any criticism implied in any of the posts, just > gentle good humour. > > So come on out of lurk mode, the water's warm here. > > --Chris Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:57:28 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Funny times at JoniFest 2003, njc > OH FECK!!!!! They were beat poets???? I thought they were fecking blind! > > Paz (not always getting it) > > I don't know who I'm writing this FOR so I suppose I'm breaking the first > rule taught in Lit class. > > Anyway, Sugarpants kicked it up into the realm of experimental theatre this > year and it was very, very funny! I don't think anyone has yet told the > story yet so I'll do it now. > > Sugarpants presented a beat poetry session this year. The premise was to > present Catherine McKay's re-write of "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". The > women filed in, dressed all in black, complete with dark sunglasses, looking > exactly as you would expect beat poets to look. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:58:23 -0400 From: vince Subject: (NJC) what? Michael Paz wrote: > it also (rather strangely) includes appearances by Cab >Calloway, Mitzi Gaynor, Soupy Sales and Frank Gorshin. Most of whom I've >never heard of. > > > what????????? how damn old do you want to make me feel? I refuse to even dignify that comment with an explanation of 2 cultural icons and two pretty important pop performers in their time. Vince, agedly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:27:40 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: (NJC) what? Vince- Have you been into the wine box again? I did not write this. I have been writing WAY to much lately, but this one was NOT me. Soupy was an Icon in my life though WAY back when I was from Detroit. Best Paz > Michael Paz wrote: > >> it also (rather strangely) includes appearances by Cab >> Calloway, Mitzi Gaynor, Soupy Sales and Frank Gorshin. Most of whom I've >> never heard of. >> >> >> > what????????? > > > how damn old do you want to make me feel? > > I refuse to even dignify that comment with an explanation of 2 cultural > icons and two pretty important pop performers in their time. > > Vince, agedly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:40:09 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: (NJC) what? that was on the tail end of your penultimate post - I was thinking you were dipping into some substance to have posted that - go back and check, it was at the end of your post on the beatles dvd Michael Paz wrote: >Vince- >Have you been into the wine box again? I did not write this. I have been >writing WAY to much lately, but this one was NOT me. Soupy was an Icon in my >life though WAY back when I was from Detroit. > >Best > >Paz > > > >>Michael Paz wrote: >> >> >> >>>it also (rather strangely) includes appearances by Cab >>>Calloway, Mitzi Gaynor, Soupy Sales and Frank Gorshin. Most of whom I've >>>never heard of. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>what????????? >> >> >>how damn old do you want to make me feel? >> >>I refuse to even dignify that comment with an explanation of 2 cultural >>icons and two pretty important pop performers in their time. >> >>Vince, agedly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:41:06 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Beatles (NJC) read it: there it is: last two sentences - I thought it was heresy Michael Paz wrote: >Some of you Beatle junkies wanna know what to get ME for Christmas. YaY! > >Paz > > > >New Beatles DVD On The Way >The Beatles manage to continue their tradition of releasing new product >every year in time for the Christmas season, with a new two-DVD collection, >'The Ed Sullivan Show Featuring the Beatles'. > >The new package features 20 live performances by the band spread over four >episodes of the legendary US TV variety series 'The Ed Sullivan Show.' These >include The Beatles famous first ever American TV appearance on February 9, >1964, which , with an estimated 73 million viewers, was watched by the >largest audience of any US television show ever. > >Andrew Solt, owner of the 'Ed Sullivan Show' archives and executive producer >of the project, had been in negotiations for more than five years to get >clearance to release the footage. And this will be first time the >performances have been available in their entirety since the episodes >originally aired in 1964 and 1965. > >Solt describes the first Sullivan show as, "The seminal moment of the rock >revolution. Beatlemania was born right there on that stage." > >The four-hour two-DVD collection features live performances including 'I >Want To Hold Your Hand,' 'She Loves You,' 'I Feel Fine,' 'Help!' and >'Yesterday,' it also (rather strangely) includes appearances by Cab >Calloway, Mitzi Gaynor, Soupy Sales and Frank Gorshin. Most of whom I've >never heard of. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:18:22 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Photos and reports from this year's Fest Hi, all I noticed some folks mentioning photos from this year's fest; are they available somewhere on the JMDL site for viewing yet or are they just being e-mailed around right now? Also, should we submit our "reports" on the fest to a particular site location or will our comments & reports that we posted on this list be used? Being new at all this, I was unsure. I tried to scan some of my photos from this year's fest so I could have them ready to submit but my scanner is making an awful racket and won't scan unless I turn it on and off several times... guess it's time to look for a new one, eh? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: (NJC) what? Cab Calloway = Heidi heidi he heidi heidi ho - The Cotton Club Mitzi Gaynor = Gams and dancing baby! Soupy Sales = Pie in the face Frak Gorshin = The Riddler! and a damn good impersonator Sheesh Paz am I that much older than you? Damn as a matter of fact - I think you are older than I am! Keep drinking that tequila brother - soon you'll look more like Fabio's Father! LOL! Love you anyway! Peace, Susan vince wrote: Michael Paz wrote: > it also (rather strangely) includes appearances by Cab >Calloway, Mitzi Gaynor, Soupy Sales and Frank Gorshin. Most of whom I've >never heard of. > > > what????????? how damn old do you want to make me feel? I refuse to even dignify that comment with an explanation of 2 cultural icons and two pretty important pop performers in their time. Vince, agedly Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:08:50 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: J (njc) > WAIT A FECKING MINUTE HERE! What about my cousin Chris "The Great Bottom > Johnson" and then infamous Queen Lulu Johnson????? the committee will get back to you. Thanks for your inquiry. have a nice day. Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:12:35 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Photos and reports from this year's Fest <> They are available at: http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/ and Chris can give you the info to upload your photos too, Kenny. <> No need to send them anywhere. Your comments to the list will be used. Beware!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:11:17 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Beat of Black Wings My first "45 record" was Johnny Angel by Shelly Fabares. Wha a blast from the past. I think that is what Joni is chanting in BoBW. Although it does sound like Charlie Angel too. (Charlie/VC) Could she be layering the lighthearted " Johnny Angel, you're an angel to me" being played back on the mainland radio with the stark contrast of the travesty of the Vietnam war vet's story; same era different reality. Janine NP: Show Biz Kids, Steely Dan who I'll be seeing tomorrow! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:42:15 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings ok. I can't stand it and I'm coming out of lurkdom for this one. I know I heard some interview on one of the many tapes I've been lucky enough to acquire from this list on which Joni discusses this song. Joni describes how she met this guywho had just come back from vietnam. It was in the early days and he came backstage after one of her shows . I think it was in North Carolina... Ft Bragg. Someone help me here! I know you heard this interview! Anyway the guys says to her something like "How can you sing those songs about love? There ain't no more love in this world". I always thought the "Charlie Angel" or "Johnny Angel" was Joni's reference to those love songs. The dissonance she puts on it is haunting. THis also explains (to me) the line "I can't even hear the f----g music playing for the beat of black wings" Phyliss, back to lurkdom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:58:10 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings Yes, that interview is on a video I have I think maybe the Come in from the Cold one????It has the music video for Beat of Black Wings on it, too, where Joni in blackface portrays Killer Kyle in fatigues... you don't know nothin' about love......sister I think he adds. It is one of the most (good word by de-lurked Phyllis) haunting things I have ever seen her do. Janine NP: Everything Must Go: Steely Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Phyliss Ward To: Janine Sherman Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings ok. I can't stand it and I'm coming out of lurkdom for this one. I know I heard some interview on one of the many tapes I've been lucky enough to acquire from this list on which Joni discusses this song. Joni describes how she met this guywho had just come back from vietnam. It was in the early days and he came backstage after one of her shows . I think it was in North Carolina... Ft Bragg. Someone help me here! I know you heard this interview! Anyway the guys says to her something like "How can you sing those songs about love? There ain't no more love in this world". I always thought the "Charlie Angel" or "Johnny Angel" was Joni's reference to those love songs. The dissonance she puts on it is haunting. THis also explains (to me) the line "I can't even hear the f----g music playing for the beat of black wings" Phyliss, back to lurkdom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:04:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Funny times at JoniFest 2003, njc --- Michael Paz wrote: > > OH FECK!!!!! They were beat poets???? I thought > they were fecking blind! > > > > Paz (not always getting it) > > That should read: Paz (always not getting it) Ha ha ha ha ha!!! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:27:17 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Photos and reports from this year's Fest Thanks, Ashara, for the info on the photos. I started to check them out but it was so late and there are already so many, I'll have to spend more time on them another night. The few that I've already seen are great; almost like being there all over again! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:34:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the aol mystery solved!!! njc most of you know that for the last months aol users haven't been able to read my posts (including this one... duh!). i have finally found that a certain someone (possibly, very possibly a disgruntled jmdler that got kicked out -- i have my reasons to think so) reported my address to aol as that of a sp*mmer! DO ADMIT! so i will have to uns*b and res*b with a different address if i am ever again to delight everyone on this list -- including aol-ers -- with my wit, good taste and decadent notions. now does anyone have ANY idea how to do the uns*b thing and the s*b thing? i have NO CLUE. i hope that the only person who knows how to *un* won't be a aol user or else i'll never fond out. so get ready for my spectacular new address -- quite a change after eons as wallykai! love to all mes enfants, wallyburgers (remember when i used to sign that way? oh, aging is so very trying.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: the aol mystery solved!!! njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > most of you know that for the last months aol users > haven't been able to > read my posts (including this one... duh!). i have > finally found that a > certain someone (possibly, very possibly a > disgruntled jmdler that got > kicked out -- i have my reasons to think so) > reported my address to aol as > that of a sp*mmer! DO ADMIT! > so i will have to uns*b and res*b with a different > address if i am ever > again to delight everyone on this list -- including > aol-ers -- with my wit, > good taste and decadent notions. Well, it's good to know the mystery has been solved. It wasn't making a lot of sense anyway - apparently there's a solution for every "problem" out there and it's only a case of finding that solution. We'd hate to miss out on your wit, good taste but especially your decadent notions, Walla-walla! > now does anyone have ANY idea how to do the uns*b > thing and the s*b thing? i > have NO CLUE. > I know how you can sub, but the other part is a bit of a mystery to me at present. You can sub directly from jmdl.com so here's what I'd do in your place - sub first under your new name; then you should get an e-mail back with the rules & so on and in there you'll probably find the instructions for how to uns*b for the other address. I have no idea what I might have done with that e-mail but I guess it would have changed since I first subbed anyway. Bonne chance! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:12:58 -0300 From: "oso" Subject: voila! njc here i am!!!!!! from now on when you see "oso" (the spanish for "bear") on your screen that means that wally (or the JMDL BF) is posting. wally, who managed thanks to nikki (yet one more johnson) and les (because he made the rules) and catherine (who made the most sense). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:17:34 -0300 From: "oso" Subject: and now? njc aol-ers: can you read me? wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: voila! njc --- oso wrote: > here i am!!!!!! from now on when you see "oso" (the > spanish for "bear") on > your screen that means that wally (or the JMDL BF) > is posting. > > wally, who managed thanks to nikki (yet one more > johnson) and les (because > he made the rules) and catherine (who made the most sense). I always do! and I'm so glad you put that njc tag in your subject line; otherwise, I'd have thought you were one of those Africans trying to get money out of Nigeria and offering me a cut if only I'd send them some money first! It is WAY past my bedtime... ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:04:33 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 20 On August 20 the following articles were published: 1979: "Joni Mitchell Fans Appalled by Audience" - Oklahoma City Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=846 1979: "Mitchell's jazz style in full bloom" - Minneapolis Star (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=825 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #410 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)