From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #408 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 408 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Goodbye Porkpie Hat njc now ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni-ish day [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Girl of the North Country njc ["Mark or Travis" ] More to come... ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni-ish day [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Come in from the cold ["Larry D." ] Re: More to come... njc [Catherine McKay ] Re:Chuck E's performance ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re:Chuck E's performance - now home-made CHOGGIES NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re:Chuck E's performance - now home-made CHOGGIES NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" <] Re: Joni the wildflower [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:Chuck E's performance - now home-made CHOGGIES NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Beat of Black Wings ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Beat of Black Wings [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: I'll be seeing you ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni the wildflower [Chris Marshall ] Re: Girl of the North Country njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni the wildflower [Catherine McKay ] Re: Come in from the cold (njc) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Beat of Black Wings ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Joni the wildflower [Catherine McKay ] RE: Come In From the Cold ["patrick leader" ] fest memory (njc) ["patrick leader" ] two fest memories with joni content ["patrick leader" ] joni&james permavine ["Rache A" ] RE: Beat of Black Wings ["Wally Kairuz" ] very njc - looking at 2004 [vince ] very njc - looking at 2004 2.0 [vince ] Re: Chuck E's performance and other njc stuff [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Beat of Black Wings [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:20:54 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Goodbye Porkpie Hat njc now I guess if Keb Mo' is allowed to say he's not a blues man, you're "allowed" to say you're not a jazzer. Lama Fred said, >By the way, I don't really consider myself a jazzer. I do play and understand jazz, but I'm a dyed in the wool musical omnivore.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:00 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings Hi dear friends. A mate of mine (Simon) has emailed me with this query and I wondered if any of you guys out there had any views about this? "Anita, I went to check something that has been bugging me ever since I bought the Chalk Man In A Rain Storm cassette. I think The Beat Of Black Wings is one of the most marvellous songs Joni has ever written but I could never understand the refrain that is repeated 3 times after each verse (after the words Beat of Black Wings). But there is no refrain printed Please put me out of my misery and let me know what they are, it sounds like "Charlie and Joe", but I'm sure it isn't." I think that I recall that it's deliberately obscure but would welcome any other knowledge. Lots of love Anita PS Michael Re: I'll be seeing you - you know you can touch it any time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:18:17 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Emiliano, thank you NJC Emiliano emilianopd@mundo-r.com wrote.... in response to my post... > Fest for me was about so many things.. a rite of passage if you like.. it > has changed my life, this list has changed so much in my life in that I no > longer feel alone... [...] All your post is extremely expresive and kind, but this statement is so moving! One'll never forget: You'll never walk alone! Emiliano, thank you for your kind words. You must come next year. It will confirm all you know already about these wonderful people with whom you already share so much common ground. I really do enjoy your posts. I have been lurking for a while but Fest has renewed my belief that I am not wierd to enjoy the confidence of a virtual community like this.. because once a year, in some beautiful garden setting they blossom into real fold, with real voices that sing sweeter than mountain water... and they hug and love and laugh deep into the echoing night. Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:44:06 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Joni-ish day I've been working my way through the snaps from the fest, imagining myself there as best I could. Such evocative images, Anyway, after heading off to the kitchen to get lunch, I turn on Radio 4, and The Archers is just starting (ancient radio soap opera which I find irredeemably corny), so switch to BBC London, more in hope than expectation, as it's the scrag end of what used to be a truly wonderful station, GLR (Greater London Radio). And what's the first record played out of the news? Only the greatest song from the greatest album ever made, that's what!! Hearing Hejira on the radio doesn't happen very often, and in amongst the rather bland (at best) fare you generally hear on that station, and it sounded like music from another planet. So complex, emotionally and musically, so downright *other*. I tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who'd never heard it before, what on earth would I make of this extraordinary record. It's like suddenly switching from Kindergarten to a PhD, or from Lite Beer to 70% proof Schnapps. I like to think that one person would have been listening and thought "Christ, what is this?? And where's my pen and paper so I can scribble down the name and go out and get it forthwith." We can but hope... Azeem in London NP: The Sundays - Reading, Writing & Arithmetic (Ah, Harriet Wheeler's voice, was there ever a sunnier instrument?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:10:39 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Girl of the North Country njc Randy Remote wrote: > Yes, it is an English folk song from midieval times. Simon learned it > while touring the UK. Dylan's Nashville Skyline was released 3 years > after S&G's version of the song, although Dylan may have heard it > during his folk days. > A page about the song Scarborough Fair, complete lyrics, and > a map of Scarborough at: > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Villa/3895/ > RR > ps Mark E come sit by the fire and dry your mukluks.... > Thanks, Randy, and thank you to all the others who responded. I intend to respond to you all individually. Your kindness is greatly appreciated. I'm feeling warmer already. Didn't Paul Simon write the music and lyrics for the counter melody? (Blankets and bedclothes the child of the mountain/sleeps unaware of the clarion call) I remember singing this song in my Junior High choir. I think at one time we also sang an arrangement of the original folk song. The S&G version has always been a favorite of mine. Such a haunting and beautiful melody. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:42:38 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: More to come... Jonibob "Bobificaton" Muller wrote: We are a photogenic bunch. Texas Tush responded, that we are my bud! see attached This message has been scanned by the E250. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 021_21.JPG] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:20:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni-ish day In a message dated 8/18/2003 9:44:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AzeemAK writes: > Hearing Hejira on the radio doesn't happen very often, and in amongst the > rather bland (at best) fare you generally hear on that > station, and it sounded > like music from another planet. I know what you mean, Azeem...I don't know as I've EVER heard it on the radio per se, but I did catch it about 3 weeks ago when I was dining with friends, he was playing one of the digital music channels that you get with cable, and it's running through the expected pop stuff from Bonnie, Jackson, et al, when what to my wondering ears appeared but Hejira! It made me stop dead in the midst of my conversation. And to add a cherry to the dessert, they played "Coyote" about an hour later! Makes me feel like I'm not quite so nutty for adoring this record. Bob NP: Van Halen, "I'll Wait" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Come in from the cold Mark E., I am a relatively recent (and rather sporadic) contributor to this group, so I hope I do not overstep my place when I say that having read your below posting, I wish nothing so much as to be able to gather you up into my arms and hold you. You break my heart. Wishing you more certain times. Larry D. NP: Love Over and Over, Kate and Anna McGarrigle > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:59:32 -0700 > From: "Mark or Travis" > Subject: Come In From the Cold > > I've been reading the Jonifest accounts and looking > at the > pictures....some familiar faces, more and more that > I don't know. > > It's been an odd summer for me. Travis was sick for > several months > and the company I work for has been bought out by > DHL. Travis is > better and back to work but times are still > uncertain. > > I've felt disconnected from the list lately. For > awhile Jonifest only > magnified these feelings. I'm afraid I've been a > bit on the childish > side. But I don't want to make value judgments in a > self-important > voice anymore. I wish there were some way for me to > avoid such > foolish emotions. > > All I ever wanted was to come in from the cold. May > I? > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More to come... njc --- Donna Binkley wrote: > Jonibob "Bobificaton" Muller wrote: > > We are a photogenic bunch. > > Texas Tush responded, that we are my bud! > > see attached > > > This message has been scanned by the E250. > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type > image/jpeg which had a name of 021_21.JPG] Yabbut, yabbut... unfortunately you can't send attachments through the jmdl list - but you can through the jonifest one (hint, hint). Or you could post to Chris's website (more hint, hint.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:13:33 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re:Chuck E's performance Hi Kenny and all. It was so great meeting you!! I had written part 2 of fest report yesterday and I mentioned about you sharing Joe Jackson with Leive..Lane..moi at Steve's and Jeff's. This was a highlight...but darn, this elderly pateint/client of mine slammed down my laptop lid and I lost it all. I was so PO!! Next time we will have to talk about Todd more. I loved your story about talking to him on the phone... Yes..I too love RNH...I'm so glad Chuck E relented. Love... Bree >Chuck E's dulcimer workshop.. an erudite man with a big heart. (because >of >this ..I'm going to try my hand at playing the dulcimer) And thank you >Chuck for Rainy Night House...it was beautiful!! > > Bree, I also enjoyed Chuck's performance on Rainy Night House so much >that I've been humming it and hearing it in my head ever since last >weekend. >Today, as I was getting our yard ready for some company to come over and I >put >the CD player outside, I had to put on LOTC and immediately put on THAT >song. I >was transported back to the fest... a place I wish I didn't have to leave. > > Kenny B _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:Chuck E's performance - now home-made CHOGGIES NJC I'm just taking advantage of your post to grab your e-mail address & to ask.... Those wonderful chocolates that you were passing around - did you MAKE those yourself? They were most excellent - if you made 'em, would you mind posting the recipe for them (or is it a family secret?) The truth is, I'd probably never get around to making them (lazy and impatient) but inquiring minds want to know - -did you actually make them yourself? What a talented bunch of people on this list - even the ones that don't (I said "don't", not "can't" because I bet that many can, but just don't) sing, or play instruments have some other talent, like needlepoint, or rock- or anything-painting, or photography, or candy-making - and some are multi-talented at that - you want to hate them for it, but you can't, because they're all so friggin' NICE on top of it.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:39:39 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni the wildflower For the past couple of months, I've been playing this game with my 2 sisters...my older sister has a Stephen King passion and my younger has a passion for all things Disney. They're planning a trip to Disney World in November, and every day my younger sister throws out a quote or a piece of Disney trivia or some such. My response has been to take the quote/trivia and make a Joni connection, and my older sister makes a King connection. We've had a lot of fun with it. Anyway, today she threw out a quote from Bambi which had to do with "Flower" (the skunk). Jan then mentioned a King short story called "The Man Who Loved Flowers" about a serial killer, and I mentioned Joni's use of flowers in her work, from her cover art to her lyrics, and one that really stood out to me was this one from Song For Sharon: The power of reason And the flowers of deep feeling Seem to serve me Only to deceive me A great lyric on a couple of different levels, the rhyme coming in the middle of the phrase as opposed to the end. How like Joni! I mean, if you're going to use unconventional instrument tunings, why not use unconventional lyric patterns as well? Plus, that whole phrase "the flowers of deep feeling"...I think she's referring to a bridal bouquet here, but if anyone has any other thoughts, I'd love to hear them. Also, on a tangentially related note, I've finally found a vocal cover of "Song For Sharon", and was delighted to have a conversation with the performer and found out that she lists Hejira as her #1 record of all time! A wildflower wavin' for ya, Bob NP: Sarah Vaughan, "April In Paris" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I mentioned Joni's use of flowers in her work, from > her cover art > to her lyrics, and one that really stood out to me > was this one > from Song For Sharon: > > The power of reason > And the flowers of deep feeling > Seem to serve me > Only to deceive me > > A great lyric on a couple of different levels, the > rhyme coming > in the middle of the phrase as opposed to the end. > How like Joni! > I mean, if you're going to use unconventional > instrument tunings, > why not use unconventional lyric patterns as well? > Plus, that whole > phrase "the flowers of deep feeling"...I think she's > referring > to a bridal bouquet here, but if anyone has any > other thoughts, > I'd love to hear them. Bob, that sounds like a fun game. It's great that you can share this kind of stuff with your sibs and that all of you have these passions, but also *get* one another's and care enough to bother about this. Here's a few thoughts from me on this: Deep feeling is something that blossoms forth over time (as opposed to superficiality, which is either nipped in the bud, or when it's beautiful and in flower, is plucked, enjoyed and tossed aside - and it dies without having borne any fruit.) Flowers have roots in soil. Deep feelings have roots in the soul. Flowers aren't just pretty things that grow in your garden. If you take a closer look at them, they're a universe unto themselves. I took some photographs of these pink hollyhocks in my backyard a month or so ago. It was a fine sunny day and these things stood out, well, like a ruby in a black man's ear. You woulnd't believe how friggin' profound and SEXY those flowers looked - even now, if I look at these photos, it takes my breath away. As well, flowers that are so beautiful when they're young and new, go on to develop fruit and seeds, which ensures that life will be continued even when the bloom is off the rose - so the future is secured and life goes on. The same thing happens with a good relationship (a good marriage in this case, or the perception of what is a good marriage, in keeping with "Sharon's" theme) - - the bridal flowers representing the "deep feelings" the bride and groom have (or should have) for one another. (There's also a lot of symbolism associated with flowers and what each kind means, if you remember Ophelia's ramblings about this in Hamlet.) Joni recognizes that she always seems to get sidetracked or lost along the way and these deep feelings deceive her (maybe she's trying too hard, or maybe the feelings she thought were deep really weren't so deep after all? maybe it's the longing that's deep, like the idea of being in love, as opposed to really being in love? what the hell am I talking about?) She's stuck with the image of the bride and the ceremony. She has this longing for one of those beautiful white weddings and all they symbolize but she can't quite get with the program - "the ceremony of the bells and lace still veils this reckless fool here." Anyway, that's enough from me about that. I must get outdoors and enjoy the fine weather - we got a day off work, because the powers that be decided we shouldn't be using any power at work. There's nothing like an unexpected day off work, where they pay you to stay at home and enjoy the day (so why am I here at this 'puter?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:46:31 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re:Chuck E's performance - now home-made CHOGGIES NJC >Those wonderful chocolates that you were passing >around - did you MAKE those yourself? They were most >excellent - if you made 'em, would you mind posting >the recipe for them (or is it a family secret? Yes...I did make them... and it simple as pie!! (I always wondered about that expression because I think a "good" pie crust is one the most difficult things to pull off) Since Marianne thinks you are the funniest and cutest thing alive, I''ll share. We were talking about you on the phone last night...she just thinks you are something else!!. Frankly..Catherine...I'm beginning to worry! ;- But the recipe will be forthcoming. I made the candy at Marianne's on that Wednesday...two days before the fest. She helped me test them. While I was doing the cancky she was doing the boulders. All the boulders came from her land. Marianne lives out in the country in the most beautiful ..peaceful setting. It's nothing to see deer and coyotes in her yard. Buckeyes: Ten gallons of Peanut Butter Twenty pounds of Confectionsers sugar Eiighteen pounds of butter Mix this all together....be prepared to break some wooden spoons,,have plenty on hand Just Kidding!! The real recipie soon! Fondly... Bree The >truth is, I'd probably never get around to making them >(lazy and impatient) but inquiring minds want to know >-did you actually make them yourself? > >What a talented bunch of people on this list - even >the ones that don't (I said "don't", not "can't" >because I bet that many can, but just don't) sing, or >play instruments have some other talent, like >needlepoint, or rock- or anything-painting, or >photography, or candy-making - and some are >multi-talented at that - you want to hate them for it, >but you can't, because they're all so friggin' NICE on >top of it.) > > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:09:34 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower In a message dated 8/18/2003 2:39:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > She has this longing for one > of those beautiful white weddings and all they > symbolize but she can't quite get with the program - > "the ceremony of the bells and lace still veils this > reckless fool here." And she sort of continues the thought with that "other" reckless song, no? The eagle and the serpent are at war in me The serpent fighting for blind desire The eagle for clarity Musically, DJRD (the song) is cousin to Coyote, but I think lyrically it's more related to Song For Sharon. It IS clear that she wrote all three at pretty much the same time as she performed Coyote & DJRD as a medley in 1976 before she released Hejira. Bob NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Honey Bee" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:Chuck E's performance - now home-made CHOGGIES NJC --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Yes...I did make them... and it simple as pie!! (I > always wondered about > that expression because I think a "good" pie crust > is one the most difficult > things to pull off) That's why the expression is not "as simple as pie crust"! Since Marianne thinks you are > the funniest and cutest > thing alive, I''ll share. We were talking about > you on the phone last > night...she just thinks you are something else!!. > Frankly..Catherine...I'm > beginning to worry! ;- Wow - someone thinks I'm CUTE? My mind is boggled. If I ever switch sides, I'll keep you two in mind. > > I made the candy at Marianne's on that > Wednesday...two days before the fest. > She helped me test them. ... which is another reason it probably wouldn't be a good idea for me to make them - I'd end up eating half of them just during the "test" period! I can feel my arteries clogging just thinking about this. Those rocks were great too - I admire the artistry and imagination that goes into that kind of stuff. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:47:10 +0000 From: "Barbara L" Subject: come in from the cold_NJC Mark I relate with your feelings. I am a lurker who feels I don't have much of value to say and then I see Rachel jump right in there and i think it is more about--just jumping in there. I went to the fest and it was my second and I am so grateful I was able to make it. The fest is a high light of my year. It takes me to a place that the rest of the year I don't even realize I'm missing from not being there. I have been recovering from a back injury and the list has played such an important part of my day, each day. Before my accident time was a commodity i felt i had very little of. Now I just relish in the list and all of you make my day!!!! I've been getting such a kick out of the photos and the captions, especialy Mr. Paz's captions--you had me LOL!!!! I aspire to your bitch dom :-) Paz I was very sorry that you had to leave the fest early. there are so many wonderful people on this list. I was grateful to get to know mags a bit better(what a beautiful soul) she was "busy" last year :-). anita what a treat it was to spend time with you. anita was my Mothers name and I got through the loss of my Mother when I was Rachels age by listening to Joni. she put words to feelings that i could not even begin to verbalize. talk about coming in from the cold!!!! I go to my dr.'s down in philly on wednesday to see how i am progressing. Really looking forward to seeing how the x-rays are looking. anyway, just wanted to let you all know how much you mean to me. the musical and emotional gifts you gave me at the fest filled me up to the brim! much love, barbara _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:53:50 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings I always thought it was "Charlie Angel" but have never been quite sure. I think it is one of the strongest songs on CMIARS but that line doesn't seem to fit in lime with the rest of the song, at least not for me. Steve T P.S. Mark E - "Come in, come in, come in..." :) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Gabrielle Tedder" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings > Hi dear friends. A mate of mine (Simon) has emailed me with this query and > I wondered if any of you guys out there had any views about this? > > "Anita, I went to check something that has been bugging me ever since I > bought the Chalk Man In A Rain Storm cassette. I think The Beat Of Black > Wings is one of the most marvellous songs Joni has ever written but I > could never understand the refrain that is repeated 3 times after each > verse (after the words Beat of Black Wings). But there is no refrain > printed Please put me out of my misery and let me know what they are, it > sounds like "Charlie and Joe", but I'm sure it isn't." > I think that I recall that it's deliberately obscure but would welcome any > other knowledge. > Lots of love > Anita > PS Michael Re: I'll be seeing you - you know you can touch it any time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:37:47 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings In a message dated 18/08/2003 21:55:28 GMT Daylight Time, steve@hatstand.org writes: > I always thought it was "Charlie Angel" but have never been quite sure. > I think it is one of the strongest songs on CMIARS but that line doesn't > seem to fit in lime with the rest of the song, at least not for me. > > I always thought this was "Johnny Angel", a reference to the old song - don't know who first did it, but I remember the Carpenters' version. I thought it was an ironic counterpoint to such a grim song, a reminiscence of a soppy and sentimental love song, which includes a line about "Together we will see how lovely heaven can be." Clever stuff! I agree that it's a strong song, the best on the album, along with My Secret Place. I have to say I don't have the indulgence some have towards Dancing Clown - I think it's utter rubbish! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:53:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: I'll be seeing you heather, good luck with your new career...i will miss your good humor here & i hope you will soon return to the jmdl when you get your new life established! kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:23:56 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower Catherine, for me, hit the nail on the head with regard to the blossoming of deep feelings. As such it gives the line much broader meaning that mere wedlock. (Mere, hah...) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:58:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Girl of the North Country njc Mark or Travis wrote: > Didn't Paul Simon write the music and lyrics for the counter melody? > (Blankets and bedclothes the child of the mountain/sleeps unaware of > the clarion call) Maybe he did add those lyrics, as they do not appear in the original version I found. As to the arrangement: Paul Simon learned the song from Martin Carthy, a famous folk singer in the UK, while he was on tour there. Despite using his arrangement of the song, Simon didn4t even mention Carthy4s name in the credits of the album. What a punk! ; ) I agree with you, it is certainly "a haunting and beautiful melody" RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower --- Chris Marshall wrote: > Catherine, for me, hit the nail on the head with > regard to the blossoming of deep feelings. As > such it gives the line much broader meaning > that mere wedlock. (Mere, hah...) > Accent on LOCK, of course (LOL!) I'm not sure who really said this, but I've heard it attributed to Cher, among others: "Marriage is a fine institution - but who wants to be in an institution?" ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:34:45 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Come in from the cold (njc) Mark wrote: >> I've been reading the Jonifest accounts and looking >> at the pictures....some familiar faces, more and >>more that I don't know. Hey Mark, You go back a long time on this list, and sometimes I know where you are coming from, thinking that it isn't what it started out to be. Indeed, we have taken this two dimensional world and created a community not just in spirit but in reality. There are so many new faces, even for someone like me that has been around, I believe, just as long as you. That is what makes this community a living breathing thing, and I know that it is also important for us old-timers to step up and post, even if it is only for a touchstone to the past. Hard times for sure, and you aren't the only one going through them. Please feel free to open up and share. I know that I have received many healing thoughs throughout my year-long ordeal, and there are plenty of folks here that would do the same for you. I had no idea Travis was ill. I hope that all is better now, and that each passing day there is a restoration of what once was. You are not childish, and we want you to come in from the cold. There is space for all who wish to warm the soul. Thanks for reaching out Mark. With longtime affection, Sue ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:43:21 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings Some answers have been:>> I always thought it was "Charlie Angel" but have never been quite sure. or: >I always thought this was "Johnny Angel", a reference to the old song I have always felt that it was Charlie and Joe, referencing the nicknames given the VC and Americans during the Vietnam war. Maybe I am wrong, but that was always my take. This was something I was going to ask Joni when I met her, but my jaw hung slack the whole time in her presence, and could never form the correct shapes for the words. Idiot! There was some talk on this line a while back on list, not sure if it is in Smoe archives or not, it may go back that far! Suze n.p. Stryngs ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni the wildflower --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/18/2003 2:39:29 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > She has this longing for one > > of those beautiful white weddings and all they > > symbolize but she can't quite get with the program > - > > "the ceremony of the bells and lace still veils > this > > reckless fool here." > > And she sort of continues the thought with that > "other" reckless > song, no? > > The eagle and the serpent are at war in me > The serpent fighting for blind desire > The eagle for clarity > > Musically, DJRD (the song) is cousin to Coyote, but > I think > lyrically it's more related to Song For Sharon. > It IS clear that she wrote all three at pretty much > the same time > as she performed Coyote & DJRD as a medley in 1976 > before she > released Hejira. Deinitely. It's a theme that runs through a lot of Joni's songs - her constant struggle between finding love that sticks around vs wanting her artistic freedom. Just a few examples (and you know..... there may be more!) - - We love our loving, but not like we love our freedom - - Just before our love got lost, you said, "I am as constant as the northern star." Constantly in the darkness! - - You are in my blood like holy wine - you taste so bitter... and so sweet - - Beware of the power of moons - - I can't go back there anymore... - - you know it's hard to tell when you're in the spell if it's wrong or if it's real. But you're bound to lose if you let the blues get you scared to feel - - It always seems so righteous at the start /When there's so much laughter /When there's so much spark / When there's so much sweetness in the dark - - Last chance lost/ We talk of love in terms of sacrifice and compromise ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:47:14 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Come In From the Cold dear mark: your caring spirit seems so central to this community. when there's dissent, your calm voice is a tower of dignity. your thoughts on music (and everything else) are always beautiful, and i read every word you write. and you and travis opened your home to me just a couple of years ago. so i hope you can feel the good, warming, deeply felt thoughts i send your way... favorite recent mark e post: the loving comparison of the original and new versions of 'dawntreader'. earlier favorite mark e. moment: finally getting into rickie lee! much love, patrick np - stryngs >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark >or Travis >Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:00 PM >To: JMDL >Subject: Come In From the Cold > > >I've been reading the Jonifest accounts and looking at the >pictures....some familiar faces, more and more that I don't know. > >It's been an odd summer for me. Travis was sick for several months >and the company I work for has been bought out by DHL. Travis is >better and back to work but times are still uncertain. > >I've felt disconnected from the list lately. For awhile Jonifest only >magnified these feelings. I'm afraid I've been a bit on the childish >side. But I don't want to make value judgments in a self-important >voice anymore. I wish there were some way for me to avoid such >foolish emotions. > >All I ever wanted was to come in from the cold. May I? > >Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:57:16 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: fest memory (njc) marianne reminds me of one of my favorite moments of the whole weekend. thanks for that. i actually hiked up to that bit of creek and waterfall twice during the weekend, once with maggie, alex, kay and the beauteous miranda (mags' daughter), and then again with marianne and kay. both times were wonderful, but the second time, hiking up one of the feeder creeks to sit by a small waterfall, and then skipping stones across the larger water, (fun at age 5, still fun at age 45, how cool is that?) was particularly sweet. patrick np - stryngs >This reminds me. . . >Patrick and I were talking about this on our walk back from the beautiful >waterfall at the fest. The Native Americans believed in >keeping in mind >the next *seven-generations when ever making decisions, and in >their general >lifestyle. > >Anyway, >Kay, Patrick and I went on this beautiful walk up the road from >Full Moon. >Patrick and I let Kay lead us through the rushing, yet gentle >water/waterfall. When I looked up into the sky I realized I was really in >the creavice of the earth and felt this was like the womb of the >earth. . . >you just go there > > >Marianne > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:12:49 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: two fest memories with joni content i'm never going to get a full report out, but i was thinking about two memories today, and wanted to share. there's a lot of singing along at any jonifest, and in the informal songcircles it's particularly welcome. playing around in the bar and in the dark on thursday, it was wonderful that giselle pulled out a couple of very familiar fleetwood mac songs, which we all knew. that led to kay and i figuring out the words to 'crystal', one of my favorite buckingham/nicks songs, and singing loud on the hike to the waterfall, the next morning. i've mixed feelings about singing along when people are doing their formal, full sound sets. so many of these people have really great voices, and terrific interpretations of joni songs, and i want to hear. one of the many charms of les ross is that he is so self-effacing that you think he might not realize just how good he is. but the restrained way he sings and plays just draws you in, and i wouldn't think i'd want to sing along or want anyone else singing along. however, when he played his set saturday night, his final song was a case of you, and on the choruses we quietly sang along, and he smiled, and all was right with the world. sunday saw an even more moving singalong. anita gabrielle had done a terrific, customized, audience participation version of 'woodstock' in the blackout hours of thursday, which i hoped might be reprised on sunday (and was). but earlier, she decided to play 'i think i understand'. she told us the album had been extremely important to her at a dark time in her life; she had not been able to listen to it for more than 20 years and had only recently taken it up again. she was clearly nervous and emotional, but she sang the song beautifully and simply. and on the chorus, voices very quietly chipped in... i think i understand fear is like a wilderland stepping stones or sinking sand a room full of people singing 'i think i understand' together. in this life we get glimpses of heaven. patrick np - stryngs - ivory white alibis (i am just obsessed with this song!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:09:19 +0200 From: "Mauro Regis" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #405 Thanks Justin. I'll work soon on your requests. In the meanwhile, enjoy R.E.M. in Padova with the attached photos. Best wishes. Mauro Regis - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMDL Digest" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #405 > > JMDL Digest Saturday, August 16 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 405 > > > > Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Today in History: August 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > Today's Library Links: August 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:52:43 -0400 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today in History: August 16 > > 1969: Joni performed with Crosby, Stills, and Nash in Chicago. > > 1974: Joni performs at the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California. The recordings from these five dates ended up as the material for the Miles Of Aisles album, released 3 months later. > > 1979: Joni performed the first of two nights at Alpine Valley in East Troy, Wisconsin. Future JMDLer Steve Polifka was there: "It was a Thursday evening with NO RAIN in sight... except for the fog from funny cigs that was wafting too and fro o'er the audience... ;-) The one thing I did notice and remember distinctly, after all these years, was that during the solo on Goodbye Pork Pie Hat, she sat on a plastic chair in the back of the stage, and buried her head in her hands - looking road weary or performance tired, I know not which. Her performance was great, however. And the other thing was Brecker missing his little solo during Hejira - "Listen..." > More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=844 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=845 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=847 > - ---- > For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, > consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:52:43 -0400 > From: ljirvin@jmdl.com > Subject: Today's Library Links: August 16 > > On August 16 the following articles were published: > > > 1979: "Joni Mitchell Grows Up, Her Music Fills Out" - Cleveland Plain Dealer > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=843 > > > 1998: "Rock 'n Roll Legends in Garden Reprise" - Orange County Times Herald > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=237 > > > 2000: "Presidential praise for Lew" - Reuters/Variety > (News Item) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=538 > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2003 #405 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? 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Rachel _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:47:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Beat of Black Wings i always thought it was "tired angel", you know the angel of death, the messenger of darkness, tired of visiting the war zones and hauling away so many souls. i related to he other part of the background chorus "upon your wing, way up... upon your wing way up..." on the other hand, on one of the music sheets for this song you can read "charlie angel", apparently the name US helicopters had during vietnam, so maybe i'm just FOS! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Stephen Toogood Enviado el: Lunes, 18 de Agosto de 2003 05:54 p.m. Para: Joni List Asunto: Re: Beat of Black Wings I always thought it was "Charlie Angel" but have never been quite sure. I think it is one of the strongest songs on CMIARS but that line doesn't seem to fit in lime with the rest of the song, at least not for me. Steve T P.S. Mark E - "Come in, come in, come in..." :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:01:05 -0400 From: vince Subject: very njc - looking at 2004 Far be it from em to post anything political... (pause for everyone to stop laughing) but if you want Bush out in 2004, got to do something about it now for your consideration is the candidate that I am supporting, Senator Bob Graham of Florida Graham is right on every issue and has been for a long time he voted against the Iraq war as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he can take Bush on over all kinds of stuff the last three Dems we elected president (LBJ, Carter, Clinton) have been southern - we need to carry some southern states, I believe in the southern strategy Graham can carry Florida and if he carries all the 2000 Gore states plus Florida, we're in Graham is right on all the important issues - he is one of us who can win Dean, I like, but I am not sure electable and damn it I want to win this election - and I think he is not going to be able to hold up well under the increasing scrutiny and his record is not that perfect - and yes, i have contributed to him too, he is my 2nd choice, but not my first, not my first choice Kerry and Edwards - voted wrong on the war, Kerry will not connect with the people and Edwards I had hopes for but he is not connecting with anyone Gephardt - he can't pull it off, and too close to Bush on Iraq Lieberman - his comment on "a just war" is one more reason why he gets my vote only if he is the only choice against Bush Kuchinich, Mosely Braun (who I personally adore) and Sharpton - ain't no way and this is not the time for moral crusades, we need to oust Bush Vince - who never posts political stuff LOL but the time to work to oust Bush is now, not next October ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:05:00 -0400 From: vince Subject: very njc - looking at 2004 2.0 by the way: http://www.grahamforpresident.com/ vince wrote: > Far be it from em to post anything political... > > (pause for everyone to stop laughing) > > but if you want Bush out in 2004, got to do something about it now > > for your consideration is the candidate that I am supporting, Senator > Bob Graham of Florida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:05:23 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Chuck E's performance and other njc stuff In a message dated 8/18/03 1:13:40 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: << It was so great meeting you!! I had written part 2 of fest report yesterday and I mentioned about you sharing Joe Jackson with Leive..Lane..moi at Steve's and Jeff's. This was a highlight...but darn, this elderly pateint/client of mine slammed down my laptop lid and I lost it all. I was so PO!! Next time we will have to talk about Todd more. I loved your story about talking to him on the phone... Yes..I too love RNH...I'm so glad Chuck E relented. Love... Bree >> Bree, I must admit I thoroughly enjoyed our little "new music sampler" at Steve & Jeff's. I love when someone turns me on to something I haven't heard before (especially if I like it) and I really feel good if I can do the same for others. You mean to say that Chuck wasn't going to perform RNH? That would have been a shame; I loved it! And, anytime you want to "discuss" Todd, just e-mail me aside from the JMDL site and we can get into that too (my son actually met him at the '94 Woodstock festival and hung with Kasim Sultan at a college showbmore on that in a separate e-mail.) Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:20:32 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings Anita LMAO!!! Sorry I could Not resist! It was so surreal to see that thing though and I am glad you have it. I promise one day I will grow up and behave myself. Funny I had on my Launchcast Radio Station today (self programmable Radio station on Yahoo) and it played 4 Joni songs in a row. It has never done that before. The first song was Beat of Black Wings followed by For Free, Cold Blue Steel, and Circle Game. I always thought it was Johnny Angel as has been discussed here in the past. I also think it has something to do with an older song. Love Paz NP-CPR Live > Hi dear friends. A mate of mine (Simon) has emailed me with this query and > I wondered if any of you guys out there had any views about this? > > "Anita, I went to check something that has been bugging me ever since I > bought the Chalk Man In A Rain Storm cassette. I think The Beat Of Black > Wings is one of the most marvellous songs Joni has ever written but I > could never understand the refrain that is repeated 3 times after each > verse (after the words Beat of Black Wings). But there is no refrain > printed Please put me out of my misery and let me know what they are, it > sounds like "Charlie and Joe", but I'm sure it isn't." > I think that I recall that it's deliberately obscure but would welcome any > other knowledge. > Lots of love > Anita > PS Michael Re: I'll be seeing you - you know you can touch it any time. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #408 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)