From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #394 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 394 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JONIS 80s Recordings [Cactustree78@aol.com] Guess who would be perfect for this role? [cul heath ] Guess who would be perfect for this role? [cul heath ] Re: Mingus [Aerchak@aol.com] RE: The Inner Circle Game (NJC) [] Re: The Inner Circle Game (NJC) [Ken ] Re: Something to read while I'm at JoniFest [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Something to read while I'm at JoniFest response to Kenny's comments [Aerchak@aol.co] CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: WTRF [Chihuahua50@aol.com] Re: Something to read while I'm at JoniFest NJC [Deb Messling ] Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: survival ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set ["Happy The Man" ] Stars in Bars [Janet Hess ] RE: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set ["Happy The Man" ] Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set NJC [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1] Re: JONIS 80s Recordings ["David Rahall" ] web radio (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Today in History: August 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:49:57 -0400 From: Cactustree78@aol.com Subject: JONIS 80s Recordings Hello all... Hope those of you at fest are havin a ball.... Thought it was a good time to give my two cents on this topic since the chances of me being beatin up are lessened due to the majority of yall at fest...I personally have never been able to get into anything that Joni put out during the 80s..I consider myself more a fan of her very early work through DJRD..After that its not until Night RIde Home that I fall in love again...For my money Jonis 80s work just isnt worth it...Possibly because she seemed to be so heavely influenced by LArry Klein...Although I do like Chinese cafe i really cant think of anything else that stands out..I have listened to these albums over and over each time with the same response..Indifference...The funny thing is I know ill be there the day these albums are released just to show my support for madame joni..Give me A Strange Boy...HArrys House...Conversation..etc...anyday...Hope you all are having a nice day if not then please try to :) peace ****kevin**** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:59:44 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: Guess who would be perfect for this role? Tobacco co. goes shopping for celebrities NEW YORK - A tobacco company is offering a free lifetime supply of cigarettes to any celebrities willing to market its new brand of smokes. https://template.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/07/Consumers/celebritysmoke_030807 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:12:11 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: Guess who would be perfect for this role? Tobacco co. goes shopping for celebrities NEW YORK - A tobacco company is offering a free lifetime supply of cigarettes to any celebrities willing to market its new brand of smokes. https://template.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/07/Consumers/celebritysmoke_030807 picture a dark background with silky smoke wafting up from a cigarette tucked into the strings of a guitar just behind the nut as the music from the Travelogue version of Both Sides Now plays ..."I've looked at clouds from both sides now ..." then a husky Mitchell voice overlay saying, "a shaman once told me that smoking can be a way of a really spiritual person grounding themselves, you know, so they just don't float away"... then Mitchell looks directly at the camera and gives one wink. whaddaya think...hey! what's with the gun? hey... I'm just joking around.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 06:56:24 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus I think Mingus is the only joni album I haven't replaced on CD. Probably won't. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 07:52:26 -0500 From: Subject: RE: The Inner Circle Game (NJC) Hell and Wally wrote: > all right! here's the first stanza: > > yesterday i missed the yearly wonder > i bitched and moaned and didn't wear a smile > and all because i couldn't raise a hundred > (i had to pay a TAX for my FREE miles!!!) And here's the second (the best I can do on a Friday afternoon!): Helen also missed the fest at Full Moon Because her bank account was looking sad She's really hoping that it changes quite soon Because she misses all her fest-friends really bad! (chorus) Next.... ;o)" OK, here goes: "Me, I put my all into a chem. test Got the grade I wanted after all (YAY!!!!) But it meant I wouldn't get to go to this fest Though I'd love to be a fly upon the wall!" Who else hasn't checked in yet? Mary P., missing all her Joni-friends terribly. Virtual festers: 2d song-circle (complete with wicked drinks) at 11 p.m. tonight! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:06:18 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Re: The Inner Circle Game (NJC) Jesus, we keep this up were gonna put Joni out of buissness Ken Lazziness is the the mother of invention. blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: >Hell and Wally wrote: > >>all right! here's the first stanza: >> >>yesterday i missed the yearly wonder >>i bitched and moaned and didn't wear a smile >>and all because i couldn't raise a hundred >>(i had to pay a TAX for my FREE miles!!!) >> > >And here's the second (the best I can do on a Friday >afternoon!): > >Helen also missed the fest at Full Moon >Because her bank account was looking sad >She's really hoping that it changes quite soon >Because she misses all her fest-friends really bad! > >(chorus) > >Next.... ;o)" > > >OK, here goes: > >"Me, I put my all into a chem. test >Got the grade I wanted after all (YAY!!!!) >But it meant I wouldn't get to go to this fest >Though I'd love to be a fly upon the wall!" > >Who else hasn't checked in yet? > >Mary P., >missing all her Joni-friends terribly. Virtual festers: 2d song-circle >(complete with wicked drinks) at 11 p.m. tonight! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:14:58 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Something to read while I'm at JoniFest To all: I've read many things about JoniFest over the past week; most were positive, some were disturbing like one person who actually thought there was an "inner circle" and now, someone who's not going because they feel uncomfortable even though they're only 1 1/2 hours away from the site. First, I'm a relative newcomer to this site but have been welcomed into its folds with virtual loving arms; some folks sent me Joni sheet music that I was looking for and couldn't find, others sent me CD's that they made, others sent me happy birthday messages, etc. While I'm sure there are a bunch of people who have been involved in this thing for a long time, who have become very close, that's no reason to believe they're going to exclude YOU in any way. Second, the guy who sent the nasty message to Dr. Laura not only makes himself look bad in the other JMDL'ers eyes but it sends a negative message to anyone else who's lurking on the sidelines and considering joining. Thankfully, there's not too much of that. Lastly; to live so close to the JoniFest site and not go is so sad... I can appreciate the fact that some people are introverts (and I admit to being an extrovert) but nobody is going to bite you (unless you're camping out with food in your tent... there ARE bears up there, I hear.) Besides, you're never going to become socially active if you sit at home... and I love dogs, too. But you need MORE. Anyway, just my dos centavos as I prepare to shut down the computer and put my bags in the van... I'M OFF FOR OLIVERIA, NEW YORK AND THE FEST!!! Peace, Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:28:31 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Something to read while I'm at JoniFest response to Kenny's comments Kenny, Everything you said was about me and I do not appreciate it and you can be guarenteed NOW that I would rather put hot coals in my eyes than come down there for a day. I have many wonderful friends on this list. I have been here for a year, you know nothing about me. I suffered a major depressive episode in April (complete with suicide attempt) from which I am still recovering so please keep your judgements to yourself. I am not sad. The fact that I choose not to go to Jonifest is not sad. I just do not want to hang out with a bunch of people I do not know for four days. Plus I do not drink so it is not the best environment to be in. Furthermore, it is my mentally ill mother's 80th birthday so I thought I would go see her. See how much you know? Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:51:03 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Chalk me up as a fan of "Chalk Mark"! I connected with it more than I did with "Wild Things" or "Dog Eat Dog." David p.s.- Am I the only one here who likes "Mingus"? I'm a newbie here, and did not know that other hardcore Joni fans don't rate it highly. Chalk Mark is probably my least favorite post-1980 Joni album. Some of the tracks are great, but I can't stand to listen to Dancing Clown, and was shocked at the time that Joni recorded with Billy Idol, who I never thought much of - then or now. I do love the songs on the Mingus album. Sweet Sucker Dance is a masterpiece. I really wish Joni had re-recorded this on Travelogue. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:54:19 -0400 From: Chihuahua50@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF In a message dated 8/8/2003 3:00:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:41:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Larry D." > Subject: Re: WTRF > > Wild Things is just plain good pop music. Good songs > (Chinese Cafe, Moon at the Window, and Dream Flat > Tires are my personal faves) and the diva's in great > voice. What's not to like? > > Peace, > > Larry D I would agree that Joni is in good voice on WTRF, but I would not call these great pop songs. I think maybe Joni thought they could be good pop songs and hits on the radio. But none of them work for me. They all seem like she was trying too hard to have a hit. It's one thing to try something different, but it's another to do something that you're not, and none of these songs really seem like Joni. When I think of WTRF, there is only one song I want to hear and that is Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody. I remember the first time I heard Chinese Cafe. I was taking a nap in the middle of the day and woke up to what sounded like Joni Mitchell singing Unchained Meoldy. Since I knew every single Joni Mitchell song on every album by heart, I thought, "How can that be?" And of course it turned out to be Joni's latest release. What a nice memory. Taking a nap in the middle of the day. Waking up to a new Joni Mitchell song. Hearing Joni sing one of my all time favorite songs - Unchained Melody. And, hearing Joni actually being played on the radio! WTRF, DED and CMIAR are probably my three least favorite Joni CDs. I think of each of them as having only one song that I like. WTRF Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody DED - Impossible Dreamer CMIAR - My Secret Place It seems significant that all 3 CDs were done with Geffen Records and all consecutively and all during the 80s. Somehow they all seem to smack of the most negative aspects of the 80s. Also, the artwork for all three is my least favorite of all of Joni's great album cover artwork. Night Ride Home, while still done with Geffen Records, does not seem like part of that period. It fits better with TI and TTT, It seems like a ride out of darkness and towards home and better music. Night Ride Home, Come in From the Cold, Cherokee Louise, and Two Grey Rooms, are some of her best work. But, who knows? Check back with me in 10 years and WTRF, DED and CMIAR might be my three favorite Joni CDs. It's happened before. Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:57:08 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Something to read while I'm at JoniFest NJC Kenny, I know you meant well with this post, but it's really not fair to deem it "sad" or "disturbing" that someone chooses not to come to JoniFest. I don't live all that far myself, but I have precious few vacation days to spend, and I'm not going to spend them with relative strangers. Who says everybody needs to become MORE socially active? Please try to remember that people are different, have different tastes, wants and needs, and that not everyone likes big hacking parties. At 09:14 AM 8/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >To all: > I've read many things about JoniFest over the past week; most were >positive, some were disturbing like one person who actually thought there >was an >"inner circle" and now, someone who's not going because they feel >uncomfortable >even though they're only 1 1/2 hours away from the site. > > Lastly; to live so close to the JoniFest site and not go is so sad... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: RE: The Inner Circle Game NJC ok, third verse: The FDA says they must do some scanning To make sure that I am still ok In spite of all my careful year-long planning I'm missing this year's Fest anyway ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Joni least favorites I definitely can see where CMIARS wouldn't be a favorite. I think it's the arrangements. There are so many layers, it's hard to follow a thread of melody. I'd really like to hear the songs done acoustically - just Joni and her guitar. I know others love DJRD, but I always thought it didn't make musical sense. I like some songs, but for the life of me, I don't "get" Paprika Plains. Joni says she "couldn't play a wrong note" but I think she does on this song. I think of this as an exercise in dissonance. I also find some of TTT to be underwhelming and dissapointing. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:27:17 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Inner Circle Game NJC In a message dated 8/8/03 10:12:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > The FDA says they must do some scanning > To make sure that I am still ok > In spite of all my careful year-long planning > I'm missing this year's Fest anyway > Annie, you are something! You will be terribly missed rosie in nj not even packed yet for the tailgate party in philly ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:09:43 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: CMIARS I would have to say that CMIARS is more of a "headphone" experience for me. I love to listen to it at work with the headphones on, but I rarely listen to it at home. My favorites are "Number One," "Lakota," "The Tea Leaf Prophecy," and "The Beat of Black Wings." I really don't care for "Snakes and Ladders," "The Reocurring Dream," and "Dancing Clown." Even "My Secret Place," which I understand has some unique studio devices, doesn't float my boat much. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:31:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Don't you just love 'Chair In The Sky'? I wish Joni had done that at the AIDS gig then 'Sex Kills'! I mean ok, you're being to the letter of the concert but please, preaching to the converted or bordering on distaste... I guess it needed great accompaniment and she just wanted to play guitar. I kinda love 'Dancin' Clown' - it's foolish, it's stoopid, but it has a certain joy to it that is irrepressible. I was listening to the album today at work and found little things - the percussion of No 1 and The Beat of Black Wings - that really caught me. I want to know more about the recording of this album I hope they are included in the liner notes! Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Seulbzzaj@aol.com wrote: > Chalk me up as a fan of "Chalk Mark"! I connected > with it more than I did > with "Wild Things" or "Dog Eat Dog." > > David > > p.s.- Am I the only one here who likes "Mingus"? > I'm a newbie here, and did > not know that other hardcore Joni fans don't rate it > highly. > > Chalk Mark is probably my least favorite post-1980 > Joni album. Some of the > tracks are great, but I can't stand to listen to > Dancing Clown, and was shocked > at the time that Joni recorded with Billy Idol, who > I never thought much of - > then or now. __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:57:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set cmiars was on my top 8 album list...i loved it when it came out...to me it was somewhat of a turn around back to her more 'organic' side from her jazzy side...with some cool rhythms & melodys & story telling...i haven't listened to it in quite some time but i loved it at first listen... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:57:43 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: survival hey andrea, it sounds like you really want to go...so go girl! just remember everyone here on the list was new at some point...& everyone that first ventured to jonifest didn't know anyone else when they jumped in & decided to go...that is why it is such a friendly group of people...it is so cool to meet the faces of people who prior to that were only names on a screen...you don't have to be that social or musical...just go & enjoy the performances...meet people at your own pace & style...nobody will expect you to be anyone but yourself...that is the beauty of the thing...plus full moon is such a beautiful environment to hang out in...this fest will probably never happen there again so now's the time! i hope you decide to go & have fun if you do! kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:05:20 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Any album with Willie Nelson on it is also a good album. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > cmiars was on my top 8 album list...i loved it when it came out...to me it > was somewhat of a turn around back to her more 'organic' side from her jazzy > side...with some cool rhythms & melodys & story telling...i haven't listened > to it in quite some time but i loved it at first listen... > > > kate > www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:07:11 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Fwd: survival/resonse to Kate/njc Return-path: From: Aerchak@aol.com Full-name: Aerchak Message-ID: <8f.3081e27b.2c654e81@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:05:37 EDT Subject: Re: survival To: kate@katebennett.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Kate, I have bronchitis plus Kenny's post this morning, which was totally about me, has completely alienated me. It's just not my thing. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:18:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Something to read while I'm at JoniFest njc oh god, i would gladly EAT a bowl of andrea's hot coals if i could only be at jonifest right now. i flew three times all the way from argentina to some place north boston (14 hours in economy class, changing planes, waiting at airports, AIRPLANE FOOD) just to be with people that i had never seen in my life but who were among the most articulate, friendliest and coolest i had ever met in my life. not only did i go but i also stood up on the stage and well or horribly, flat, sharp or in tune, i sang for them. i am choking in own voice this year because i can't sing for them again. one cannot judge jonifests until one has been there. i understand that people are different and that not everyone likes parties, even parties where the only goal is to celebrate friendship and beauty. of course, there are NO ORGIES or anything of the kind. in fact, except for me, the wildest elements on this list have never been at a fest or if they have, they have been mature, respectful and community aware. all of us came back from the fest with an extraordinary sense of bonding and the feeling of withdrawal after three days of sharing so many indescribably wonderful things has always been fierce. so it is EVER SO SAD that you are only a few miles away and you won't go. if i had had the money, the hottest of hot coals wouldn't have stopped me. wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:38:54 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: Bitchy or Sweet - a Muse Not A Finger-njc All the nuances, that is, the songs, the photos, the concepts all allude to all at once being this bitchy woman and then in the same token being sweet. Unfair criticism of one's physical appearance, of one's needed timeline in order to feel erotic about someone - any criticism that in and of itself says, you are not quite right, something is wrong with you - like your natural flow is not natural - all this and more creates the bitchy person. Obviously sweetness usually shows itself when one is free to indulge whatever emotional whim one might have. There is then the issue of no empathy for any woman who does not ultimately become the Queen playing hardass and indulging erotica, supposedly for the sake of erotica, and thus a true rock n roller, all the rest deserve no pity - some unskilled moron off the boat gets more pity this much I understand as true - (this scenario is sort of like exporting skilled labor needs and importing idiots and claiming to be the head of the class) Is the sweet - "and so it goes"? Or is the sweet, submission that is lop-sided? The difference between mutual submission to the erotic and subjugation lies in the pre-definition, the rock and rolling of another's emotion as pre-requisite to any emotional consideration ( so thus there is only subjugation and subjugation's romance is the rocknroll get it quick). Needless to say any totalitarian approach to sex in my mind is repulsive, just as the idea, when elevated, to the group politic as having some say in my very private moments, can only be attributed the adjectives of positively nauseating. So what appears on the surface to be a duck welcoming foul water, I assure all, that my rejection of all as it would seem, stems from my inability to have a problem with seeing indeed the finest line of distinction that exists in human interaction. To pretense that I make it too complicated is absurd since coming with precognition if you will, means you assume your perception, your take, the group politic is the sumtotal of my being as if, for example, you could understand what it was like to be me in any given moment in which you the proverbial you, did not have presence in my life. Making life complicated or just plain too fucking lazy to let someone breathe out the personality they be, the soul, without all these pathetic boring restrictions on what constitutes erotically correct behavior - is my precise reason for refusing to go on any seek of companionship, since it will ultimately degenerate to the same demand for mindless cultural assimilation and we can get to know one another later? Why? Some dumb movie that creates the unreal scenarios of boy meets girl, girl blindfolded to the asshole before her, knows she is an off the shelf special at best? That is what it is and as if anything else really matters to most unattached beings, the cultural chic, having been interpreted by those who can well play act lip service to our culture also brought us 9/11 -(this only stated as an oberservatyion of the Pied Piper like scenario we live in rather than intentional malice on the part of any artists)- so that unspoken "superior" to what? for knowing what your body, given any media stimulation will crave, want, whatever? Does anyone get sick of being some sort of sing along? When you get to the end of the fine line distinctions that indeed strip one of all pretension, it becomes impossible to see the value of much of anything in the way of a search of someone to share one's life with because the very precognition, the very dissection and reassembly in line with one's own ego completely closes off any possibility of pleasure since one cannot ignore the poison all of that precognition and surrender to a group politic really is! - All this is to say I don't give a fuck that I left you - when? Does it matter? Thus this writing for the sake of absurdity and all that lingers close, underneath, present in every conversation, in every intended verbal nuance, in everything we do - screaming as it is that we are colder than our parents ever were and definitely hopelessly loss in the poison we elevated to an art form that dries the fluid exchange, the archtypical lover is what I left and all who might usher forward and claim to be a worthy substitute and then proceed to fall back upon a psychological soup of media influences that one must never utter as being the case of one's inner makeup?! Last line: this is not a suicide note, though I am sure for some to think as I do would lead them to suicide, just a subtle truth indicating how few matches I have - I hear no sighs of alas for me. :) S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:38:55 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: On Socialism and its fundamentally flawed reasoning - A Muse Not a Finger -njc I work a job that only a pure idiot could enjoy. Consider it to be existentially inhumane and yet there are people on this job who enjoy there time there and thus who are paired as equal to myself. (These equalities are a myth perpetuated by the, shall we call them, do gooders of society, who invalidate my feelings about the situation and thus then its an equal pairing. Indeed there was the fundamentally flawed reasoning of socialism intertwined with the decision to interpret my resume as only worthy of what I am currently doing. It is very apparent that no one foresaw the lunacy of expecting genius to be paired off with shall we say intellectually challenged people and not have the side effect an overall decline in all ambition by anyone of capability. It may be fair for the moron to be paid the same as the genius but it is not fair to the genius to be paid the same as the moron and yet the whole politic - held even by psuedo genius, sells this shit so long as they are not directly effected by it! So to all smug in the dreams, may ye all be degenerated to this pairing off that you might convert to logic but not until you reach that point of extreme existential pain and loathing that I must control rather frequently else you will not be converted to the seemingly arduous task of logical thinking! :) S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:47:47 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: This n' that! Lot's of interesting post's recently so I'm just compressing all my thoughts and responses in one post. RE: CMIARS This one to me is Joni's worst album with BSN following close behind! The production is so bad! I like multi-layered albums (THOSL) but nothing seems to go anywhere! I do however love 'A Bird That Whistles' (the best version I've heard of 'Corrina, Corrina') and 'The Reoccurring Dream' is quite original though it lacks something. It's a shame, it's a cryin' shame ;) that DED gets all the bad press. I happen to think it is her best album of the 80's although 'Moon At The Window' wipes the floor with any of her 80's songs and yes I love 'Chinese Cafe...' too. I can't play CMIARS much but with Joni you never can tell - DED had grown on me and at on stage I thought that I would never like Hejira which is now in my top 5! I will get the Geffen box set eventually but I'm sure it won't be cheap and with only 2 bonus tracks...! Re: Mingus I think she did good of what must of been a difficult job. I agree that 'Sweet Sucker Dance' is great as is 'A Chair In The Sky'. I especially like 'The Wolf that lives...' which had nothing to do with Mingus! 'Dry Cleaner...' sounds kind of quiet (I probably need the HDCD) and I like the S&L vers. I was amazed at how much I liked the TLOG vers of 'God Must Be A...' cos' I still don't like the Mingus vers - it just sounds a bit dull to me. I'm not writing Mingus off, I'm just not quite sold. Also the raps put me off playing it - I think they were put on in an attempt to disguise the fact that there aren't many tracks! Re: DJRD For me this was the beginning of the end... 2 thirds of it is Joni at her best but the rest is either regurgitation or experimentation taken too far! 'Otis & Marlena' is one of my faves along with 'Overture-Cotton Avenue'. Also I find Joco's bass playing more striking here than on Hejira (oh no I've really done it now), more colourful! Love the cover - only Joni! Re: TTT At first I preferred this more than TI then the VG8 novelty wore off! Love 'Harlem In Havanah' and 'No Apologies is touching but the whole thing has a samey feel and at times touches on MOR. I feel that most of Joni's 90's music mostly covers old ground - no progression. This is fine with me though 'cos' she sure covered enough in the first place. Re: JoniFest Though I would have gone if I wasn't so poor I can understand that other people might not want to go! If you have a problem socializing it doesn't matter weather the people are nice, in fact it can make things worst! Not that I'm saying closing yourself away is any answer. Everyone who did go I wish them a good time not that it's needed as I'm sure they wont want to leave! Steve NP: 'Sire Of Sorrow...' - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:53:26 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Stars in Bars Remember Chrissie Hynde's little altercation with Carly Simon while our Joan was trying to sing? Well, this is from email that just hit my inbox from PlanetOut: Who else but rocker Chrissie Hynde could get into a physical altercation with Carly Simon -- at a Joni Mitchell concert? It's true, and we've got the full details -- as well as Carly Simon's own account of the event -- in this week's Stars in Bars. - -- http://www.planetout.com/bounce/pnodirect/entertainment/2003/0808/hynde.html -- Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who seems a bit subdued today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:04:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set & contrary to how some feel about 'cool water'...i love it! > > Any album with Willie Nelson on it is also a good album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:04:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: David Crosby Interview great interview, thanks paz for the link...i loved that he said such nice things about my friend john... >DC: (Laughter) I dont know, my guitar guy gets  he knows. John Gonzales. You might want to talk to John Gonzales. John Gonzales is the guy that takes care of my guitars and he has most of them right now, and he knows a tremendous amount about guitars.< and also about fred walecki, who some may recall is the one currently selling some of joni's old guitars... >>DC: I do. I asked  the guy who Ive been working with for many years about guitars is a guy named Fred Walecki. TH: Fred Walecki. DC: Yeah, he has the only non-chain guitar store in Los Angeles; he is somebody that you really ought to know. Hes a wonderful man and hes been a, sort of a mentor, a teacher to many of us about guitars cuz he knew an awful lot about guitars. I bought my Collings guitar from him.<< kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:07:38 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Hi! Despite what I've said (and maintin it) CMIARS is a good album, indeed: I go crazy at Joni rhyming in -ado: "I'm just getting used to Colorado Oh street bravado [...] That was shot in Colorado Girl meets desperado" I'm entusiasmado! But Willie Nelson... you mean Nelson's singing in "Cool Water" as some revelant? BTW: Willie Nelson is most know in my country by a ridiculous duet he made with our most famous "singer?", July Churchs: a laughable song called something like "to all the girls I've loved before" I really enjoy Cool Water... with some simpler arrangement. I have a question: who is Bob Nolan? Was Cool Water a song already known before CMIARS? Be Happy, Man, and you girls too! Emiliano from Galicia NP: Nick Drake: Pink Moon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Happy The Man" To: "Kate Bennett" ; Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:05 PM Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > Any album with Willie Nelson on it is also a good album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 22:18:40 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Hi, Andrea dear! Yes of course Lakota features there. I find it a brave song, really good aimed... but I feel it don't get the point to be a higher achievement like one might expect; I mean: of course it's *strong*, but to me seems a little lost (I can't find the words by now) I remember reading a enthusiastic review in some magazine ("El Europeo", I'm sure) by the time of its release... I was a time when I scarcely bought albums (only some old records by Billie, Ella & Sassy), so I missed that album when it appeared. I bought some years later but... BTW, I didn't upgrade WTRF still, though I play my old vynil now and then: sure I love it! Have a Wooooooonderful time! Emiliano ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerchak@aol.com To: emilianopd@mundo-r.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:30 AM Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Isn't Lakota on CMIRS? I like that song. Otherwise, i have never read one good thing about that album and I don't even like the cover. It is the only joni album I don't own. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:42:09 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Don't start picking on Willie. Being from Austin Texas we take that more then personal. And who the heck is July Church and what kind of name is that. Peace out, Craig It can't be too hot anywhere else it is 105 F here. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emiliano Patiqo" To: "JMDL" ; "Happy The Man" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > Hi! > Despite what I've said (and maintin it) CMIARS is a good album, indeed: I go > crazy at Joni rhyming in -ado: > "I'm just getting used to Colorado > Oh street bravado > [...] > That was shot in Colorado > Girl meets desperado" > I'm entusiasmado! > > But Willie Nelson... you mean Nelson's singing in "Cool Water" as some > revelant? > BTW: Willie Nelson is most know in my country by a ridiculous duet he made > with our most famous "singer?", July Churchs: a laughable song called > something like "to all the girls I've loved before" > > I really enjoy Cool Water... with some simpler arrangement. I have a > question: who is Bob Nolan? Was Cool Water a song already known before > CMIARS? > > Be Happy, Man, and you girls too! > > Emiliano from Galicia > > NP: Nick Drake: Pink Moon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Happy The Man" > To: "Kate Bennett" ; > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > > > > Any album with Willie Nelson on it is also a good album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:55:33 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: ah ha! > From: Ken > Unfortunatly never been to a fest. Can't afford it. I'm stuck inside of > Quebec with the west coast blues again! > Ken Quebec, you lucky duck! I haven't been there for over 20 years, but cherish fond memories of the place and the people. > From: Steven Blue > "Man from Mars". I was stuck in an awful place and the > only music I had was TTT. It was raining in Central America at the time, na > dthat song about brought me to tears more than once. I was wondering if I > lived through that experience if anyone who heard that song was as moved as I > was? Ah ha! There you are, Steve! I've been held captive and enchanted in front of the speakers while this song was on, but only in my living room. > Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > I > also never replaced DED on cd and have never even heard CMRS. Why these four? You have NEVER *HEARD* Chalkmark in a Rainstorm??? What are you doing on this list??? For heaven's sake. Tsk. .. u Shall I send you a cassette copy? I cannot believe you have not had the pleasure of hearing 'My Secret Place' or 'The Tea Leaf Prophecy' or 'The Reoccuring Dream' or Joni's take on the old country tune, 'Cool Water.' Say it isn't so. Granted, there are songs on CMIAR that I don't care for. But the gems -- the gems! > From: "Larry D." > Subject: Re: WTRF > > Wild Things is just plain good pop music. Good songs > (Chinese Cafe, Moon at the Window, and Dream Flat > Tires are my personal faves) and the diva's in great > voice. What's not to like? Exactly. I love WTRF, sing and dance to it -- man it's great to listen to while you're doing dishes -- and I think it's a sophisticated album -- beautiful lyrical perspective on life in these songs you mention above -- my favourites as well on this CD -- and great singing and arrangements. > From: "David Rahall" > Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > > Chalk me up as a fan of "Chalk Mark"! I connected with it more than I did > p.s.- Am I the only one here who likes "Mingus"? I'm a newbie here, and did > not know that other hardcore Joni fans don't rate it highly. I liked it, but don't have it anymore and haven't heard it for years. I like all Joni's albums, some more than others. Sometimes I am stunned by their beauty, and do think she must be some extraordinary creature -- a gift to humankind -- to manifest songs so utterly expressive as hers, the way she does > And DED's mostly OK with me. If all goes as planned "Ethiopia" is in my set > Sunday night. > Bob you just can't fault something like 'little garden planet oasis in space' so beautiful an image 'some hearts hurt they can hardly stand it' so simple and so true Kate du nord - --http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:58:34 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > It can't be too hot anywhere else it is 105 F here. I can dig it craig. I have lived the last 8 months in wisconsin and miss everything texan and now know that, yes, we were right, everything in texas is better. haha . don't miss the heat though. 71 here. wisconsin for all its failings does have nice summers and many other things as well but it isn't texas. dorothy was right, there is no place like home and my shoes are clicking together daily. living here has given me a better understanding of many of joan's lyrics though that I did not have before, those alluding to water and waterfowl, senses of being by the waves, etc. much like nanci griffith and the feelings she arouses while singing of our lone star state. homesick sometimes. and missing ranch style beans and bluebell and damn, chicken fried steak. for all the talk of dairy products in wisconsin, the ice cream ain't bluebell and I don't like wieners. still, glad i came. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:22:52 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set Yeah, Joni singing "NRH" with the cricket in the background sounds like me drinking a tall one (That is Texas for Longneck Beer) on the front porch. Being A So Cal boy I do miss the ocean breezes that I woke up with but I agree you just have to be here to have the heart strings pull on ya when you listen to "Gulf Coast Hwy" dang Nanci can sing. Polished off a half gallon of Bluebell last night. And the Chicken Friend Steak at Issac's in Junction is awesome. Plus it never hurts to suck down a Shiner once and a while. Peace, Craig NP: Joe Ely - Streets of Sin - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mack watson-bush" To: "joni" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > > It can't be too hot anywhere else it is 105 F here. > > I can dig it craig. I have lived the last 8 months in wisconsin and miss > everything texan and now know that, yes, we were right, everything in texas > is better. haha . don't miss the heat though. 71 here. wisconsin for all > its failings does have nice summers and many other things as well but it > isn't texas. dorothy was right, there is no place like home and my shoes > are clicking together daily. living here has given me a better > understanding of many of joan's lyrics though that I did not have before, > those alluding to water and waterfowl, senses of being by the waves, etc. > much like nanci griffith and the feelings she arouses while singing of our > lone star state. homesick sometimes. and missing ranch style beans and > bluebell and damn, chicken fried steak. for all the talk of dairy > products in wisconsin, the ice cream ain't bluebell and I don't like > wieners. still, glad i came. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:30:27 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: h and o njc hall and oates in milwaukee and i've got a ticket. yeehah. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 01:34:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set NJC Hi, Craig! Excuse me for not putting things clear: I was thinking that, knowing Willie Nelson's work, you should remember (in horror) that collaboration. July is said Julio in spanish; and church means iglesia: is a last name very common in our country: I've heard the reason for it is that was given to children abandoned in churchs (or maybe the harvest of illicital catholic priest's sexual intercourses, who wknows?) I guess you have, by now, understood the name of that "singer": the most famous from our country (I've heard it all over the globe: in some Red Sea bar, a waiter could smile at you and say: hear who's sounding now! aaargh!) and the most dissed too: no friend of mine has ever bought an album from him (one must choose friends carefully) BTW, here we have a terrible heat wave, too. I feel it's almost melting my brain Wishing *wildly* to be at JoniFest: Emiliano - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Happy The Man" To: "Emiliano Patiqo" ; "JMDL" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: CMIARS, was Re: Geffen Boxed set > Don't start picking on Willie. Being from Austin Texas we take that more > then personal. > > And who the heck is July Church and what kind of name is that. > > Peace out, Craig > > It can't be too hot anywhere else it is 105 F here. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emiliano Patiqo" [...] > > BTW: Willie Nelson is most know in my country by a ridiculous duet he made > > with our most famous "singer?", July Churchs: a laughable song called > > something like "to all the girls I've loved before" > > > > I really enjoy Cool Water... with some simpler arrangement. I have a > > question: who is Bob Nolan? Was Cool Water a song already known before > > CMIARS? > > > > Be Happy, Man, and you girls too! > > > > Emiliano from Galicia > > > > NP: Nick Drake: Pink Moon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:53:33 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: JONIS 80s Recordings I'm hoping that eventually I love everything Joni. I look at the ones I like less as challenges which may eventually be my favorites. What's up with that, anyway? Joni casts a spell on me, sometimes!;-) David Listening to HOSL, which I took to immediately in a BIG way - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:49 AM Subject: JONIS 80s Recordings > Hello all... > Hope those of you at fest are havin a ball.... > Thought it was a good time to give my two cents on this topic since the chances of me being beatin up are lessened due to the majority of yall at fest...I personally have never been able to get into anything that Joni put out during the 80s..I consider myself more a fan of her very early work through DJRD..After that its not until Night RIde Home that I fall in love again...For my money Jonis 80s work just isnt worth it...Possibly because she seemed to be so heavely influenced by LArry Klein...Although I do like Chinese cafe i really cant think of anything else that stands out..I have listened to these albums over and over each time with the same response..Indifference...The funny thing is I know ill be there the day these albums are released just to show my support for madame joni..Give me A Strange Boy...HArrys House...Conversation..etc...anyday...Hope you all are having a nice day if not then please try to :) > peace > ****kevin**** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:26:49 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: web radio (njc) Dear Kate, I am catching up on digests and I missed most of info concerning this radio program that is yours. Are you serious? That is absolutely fantastic!!! I am sorry to say that I am not that proficient with internet radio, but if there is anyway I can get to it, I would love to listen to your program if it's still available to listen to! You have been such an inspiration! Way to go Kate!!! (if I'm reading this post correctly) Love, Sherelle Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 14:46:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: web radio NJC well i give a crap but i was not up in time as you are on mountain time & i missed your show! waaa! i'm going to have to set my alarm next time... anyone who's up and gives a crap, tune into www.krcl.org and listen to my show. it's nice to know you guys are out there, when you are! kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 02:24:01 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 9 1975: CBS broadcasted the very first "Rock Music Awards" show from the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium where Joni received the award for "Best Female Vocalist". This event was conceived by Don Kirshner, who hoped to make it an annual event. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=823 1979: Joni performed in Saint Louis, Missouri at the Mississippi River Festival. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=838 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=861 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 02:24:01 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 9 On August 9 the following articles were published: 1974: "Joni's Melodies Touch Fans' Souls" - Detroit News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=957 1979: "Mingus" - Down Beat (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=951 1979: "Three Distinct Approaches by Three Seasoned Singers" - Palo Alto Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=836 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #394 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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