From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #389 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 389 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JoniFests/Attendance (was "About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest)") - NJC and a bit long ["Jim Leonard] Re: SfS ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The Lovely Bones njc ["Tamsin Lucas" ] recent snag, ljc ["Laurent Olszer" ] on my way!!!!~ ["ron" ] London etc NJC ["Garret" ] Re: on my way!!!!~ NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: CSN...sadly, NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: on my way!!!!~ [vince ] RE: magdalene sisters ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: recent snag, njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 [LCStanley7@aol.com] David Crosby Interview [Michaelpaz@aol.com] FW: Voice of America broadcast ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC [FMYFL@a] Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC [tantra-apso ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Top 8 Joni Albums ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Top 8 Joni Albums ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: JoniFests/Attendance (was "About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest)") - NJC and a bit long ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] survival of the list w/out the inner circle njc ["Lavieri, Vince [185776]] Re: Dr. laura's comments [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388njc [tantra-apso ] Top 8 1/2 Joni Albums ["Happy The Man" ] Special to Inner Circle members only [Ken ] Re: Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) [tantra-apso ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:05:28 -0400 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance (was "About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest)") - NJC and a bit long From: "Lori Fye" Hmm ... well, there has always been a lot of organizing involved. > Lori went on to provide me with a detailed comparative analysis of "old-style" vs. "new-style" :-) Jonifests, and addressed my opinions and (what turned out to be false) impressions point by point. Thanks a lot for taking the time, Lori, and for all the information. Thanks to everyone else who responded to my post, too. I hope all attendees have a fantastic time this weekend! Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:16:20 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: SfS Mmmm, yes. HOSL is really something alright. I was saying the other day that I *still* have to write up the exhaustive lit-crit deconstruction of THOSL that she dared the world to write. Anyway, when Joni was on "THE WORLD CAFE" (I think) she talked about the craft of writing lyrics. She said that when the music comes first, it dictates where the words should make a declaritive statement. I don't think I've ever heard another pop star talk with that level of understanding and commitment to story-telling. As someone who came to "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" via the take on the MINGUS album, I'll talk about how talented she is with words. When I heard an instrumental version from Charles Mingus'es band, (on one of Muller's compilations maybe) I was amazed at how little it sounds like a song. Sad? Yes. Sweet? Yeah. Interesting? Absolutely. Challenging? In a great way, you bet. Does it sound like a song? Nope. After that, to go back to Joni and hear that she not only wrote lyrics but that she wrote a eulogy into a melody intended as a eulogy, and crammed all of those syllables in there, and justified all of those swoops, and held the most dramatic lines for best display, and on and on and on.... it was like having it brand new again. Sure, Jon Hendricks wrote words to jazz first. But Joni at her best is just as good. Lama Jenny said, >> Listening to HOSL these past few weeks... the word, rhythm, and note choice on these songs are so purposeful and meticulous. When she does squeeze a lot of words into one phrase it sounds as if she made a concious effort to define the rhythm and pitch of each note-and made sure the phrase was as musically interesting as possible. Which to me really demonstrates her knack for thinking like a composer more than a songwriter/lyricist.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:20:39 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: Re: The Lovely Bones njc That's bizarre Colin, I started reading this just last night, didn't want to put it down and go to sleep, it really drew me in > >Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:35:50 +0100 >From: tantra-apso >Subject: The Lovely Bones njc > >I am readin a first novel called The Lovely Bones. It si by one alice >sebold, an American woman. >it is the most extraordinary book. The story is told by Susie who was >murdered by a serial killer, age 14. She tells the story from the >spirit world. It covers many aspects, including the way so many people >are affected by her murder, not just her family, but neighbours, school >teachers, community etc. >A most fascinating read. >bw >colin > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:29:41 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: recent snag, ljc It used to be that bootlegs from Italy, Luxemburg, etc. were widely available in independent stores in France. Around 94 (same time that the Joni Just Ice came out, that's why I couldn't get it) the law really cracked down and seized all the goods from the store owners and wholesalers, who had paid cash and quite dearly for them. I have a friend who had a record store at the time and he used to pay more for bootlegs than official releases. That's just to show you how greedy the bootleggers are. Anyway, as you can imagine, it hurt too much and record stores have been extremely reluctant to carry some ever since. I still see bootlegs in Spain for example, but hardly ever in France. As a result, I engaged in trading which is a lot cheaper, more fun than buying bootlegs, and there's more great stuff out there. That's how I ended up with Just Ice in the end. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:02:39 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: on my way!!!!~ hi got up this morning to find out the car radio thieves had paid a visit to our complex. ummm guess who was too lazy to put his car away last night??? rear window cut right out (i have a convertible), nakamichi head unit gone, rear seat cut to shreds (obviously an attempt to get at my shuttle in the boot) and all this on a car i just put on the market yesterday. neighbours couldnt understand why i wasnt fussed - but *nothing* can bother me today - CAUSE IM LEAVING ON MY WAY TO JONIFEST TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:56:14 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: London etc NJC I know that many of ye are now getting things sorted for Jonifest. In fact, if im correct i think some of the UK crowd are probably packing today for flights tomorrow. Me, i'm not going to Jonifest. I'm moving to London on Monday in anticipation of a college course which starts in september. So, London listers.....any advice to offer on finding somewhere to live? We've had some very unfortunate setbacks in this regard/ My partner flew toLondon on sunday and starts work today - he has a job, nowhere to live (he fits very much into the "will nod and grit my teeth" category when i talk about/sing/listen to Joni Mitchell). Although he has been looking at a few places. Any advice on Job hunting? Ideally i am looking for care work and have no idea where to start looking for that in London. And a general question; fitting ones life into a couple of bags is quite difficult. I intend to bring many of my cd's with me. Last time i used one of those cd carrier book things (you know what im talking about...the thing with the little plastic pockets for cds) it left a residue/stains/marks or something on my cds; it didnt prevent them from playing but i was worried about it and never used it again. Now im gonna go shopping for a new one; what should i look for? This is a very important issue for me:-) Anyway, the nerves are mounting as this move gets closer. I will arrive in London on Monday with my friend Donna, meet Dermot and then go to see Patti Smith in Shepherds Bush!!! What a way to start life in London, and make up for again not making it to Jonifest:-D GARRET np- The Thrills, Santa Cruz (has anyone heard of this band?? they are Irish and this is their first album. It is superb as summery soft rock albums go. It evokes shades of the Beach Boys, Travis, Belle and Sebastian, and "Fleetwood Mac" and "Rumours" era FM; im loving it). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:12:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: on my way!!!!~ NJC In a message dated 8/5/2003 7:02:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > neighbours couldnt understand why i wasnt fussed - but *nothing* can bother > me > today - CAUSE IM LEAVING ON MY WAY TO JONIFEST TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have a safe swim across the ocean Ron :~) Looking forward to meeting you in 2 more days!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: CSN...sadly, NJC Thanks for the report Mia. I also love In My Dreams and this past spring saw CPR perform it live - it was also one of the highlights of the show. And I had that very same thought - Crosby's voice is getting better and better. Jenny mia ortlieb wrote: I just saw CSN last night in Milwaukee, and although the show was pretty good, I am sad to report that there were no Joni mentions, nor did Nash sing "A Case of You." (darn! :( I kept my fingers crossed all evening for nothing) They did, however, play "Woodstock," "Guinnevere," and "Our House," along with the rest of all their oldies but goodies. Nash (with no shoes and socks on) dedicated "Our House" to a woman in the audience who was celebrating her 40th birthday. The highlights for the evening I thought were "Winchester Cathedral" and "In My Dreams," which I absolutely love, and I've never heard them played live before. Crosby also played a newly written song about the people of Enron, which was quite good and humorous. Apparently Crosby and Nash are working on a new album together, and Stills is working on his own solo album. They still sounded great and Crosby's voice just keeps getting better with age! The only complaint I had was that the instruments were louder than the voices at times, especially with Stills wailing on the high frets of his electric guitar frequently. I only wish it could have been a more "unplugged" performance, which is really fitting for the small theater they played in. Mia _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:29:40 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: on my way!!!!~ hmmmmmm, mine got arsoned the day I was trying to sell it - maybe the cars are striking back when they don't want to be sold? sorry it happened to you - and safe traveling, Ron Vince ron wrote: >hi > >got up this morning to find out the car radio thieves had paid a visit to our >complex. ummm guess who was too lazy to put his car away last night??? > >rear window cut right out (i have a convertible), nakamichi head unit gone, >rear seat cut to shreds (obviously an attempt to get at my shuttle in the >boot) and all this on a car i just put on the market yesterday. > >neighbours couldnt understand why i wasnt fussed - but *nothing* can bother me >today - CAUSE IM LEAVING ON MY WAY TO JONIFEST TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > >ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:33:04 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: magdalene sisters I seem to recall that Joni was inspired by seeing the story in a tabloid she caught while waiting in line at the supermarket. Wasn't that the story she told about trying to write happy sounding songs during the day on the advice of her Canadian property caretaker, or am I mixing up my tales? Maggie Boston/Cambridge -----Original Message----- From: hell@ihug.co.nz [mailto:hell@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:21 PM To: David Sadowski; Joni Subject: Re: magdalene sisters David wrote: > Most likely not, as they would have to admit they > might've been influenced by it in the choice of a > title. Just about the only disappointment I had > with High Fidelity (the movie) was that it did > not include Elvis Costello's song of the same > name, the obvious inspiration for Nick > Hornby's book title. In the case of the Magdalene Laundries, I doubt Joni's song had anything at all to do with the name of the movie. The Magdalene Sisters existed long before Joni wrote about them, and I thought she'd written the song after seeing a documentary piece on 60 Minutes about them? Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:51:17 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: recent snag, njc Laurent writes: << That's how I ended up with Just Ice in the end. >> That should keep you cool in August! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:17:15 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 In a message dated 8/5/03 2:01:08 AM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > The Inner Circle Orgy If this is only for the "inner circle," why did you broadcast it to the rest of us? Leads me to have too many doubts, like there'd be no good reception for me if I came to the Jonifest, and you'd tune me out. So, I feel like saying, "Who needs the static? It hurts the head." But, not only my head, my heart. My kind of circle game is much more innocent than this. I love you all as fellow admirers of Joni, but I'm going to have to take a break from the discussion list and take care of my little broken heart. Breaking like the waves at Malibu, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:18:27 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: David Crosby Interview Hi Everyone- While I am doing paperwork at my desk this am I am listening to a interview with David Crosby about his guitars and lo and behold there is some Joni content. Check it out at http://crosbycpr.com Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:28:22 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: FW: Voice of America broadcast - -----Original Message----- From: Sherelle Smith [mailto:sherellesmith@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:25 AM To: jlamadoo@fuse.net Subject: Voice of America broadcast Hi Jim, Well, I had my interview with Voice of America radio personality, Ted Landphair and I think it went pretty well. I was very nervous in the hours prior to the interview because of what you are referring to as the "starmaker machinery". Mr. Landphair just called out of the blue and it pretty much floored me. I wasn't sure it was going to happen because I had to let public relations actually set up the interview and arrange to get a copy of the performance to Mr.. Landphair. It is actually going to be played on the air. I also gave him a copy of my demo and we talked a bit about my aspirations as a singer/songwriter. He was very interested in the fact that I am starting over and wanted to know a lot about that. I even got the chance to talk about the song, "Do What You Love" and why I wrote it. I am most proud of the fact that we talked about my favorite singers which are Sarah Vaughn and Joni Mitchell. I am really hoping that what we spoke of will get on the air. I really wish I could have gone into more depth on the subject. If I ever make it, trust me, Joni is coming with me! I love Sarah Vaughn's voice, but I LOVE Joni Mitchell! I love her because she is real even when it's not popular, and she's innovative as well as supremely talented as a writer as well as a singer. Her artwork is pretty darn good too! When we sat down to do the interview, right before Ted started the tape rolling, he explained my assumption that Voice of America was nation-wide was wrong. He said the full broadcast isn't even heard in the United States unless you have a strong radio. Ted said that the broadcast is world-wide and translated into many languages. I wish you could have been a fly on the wall to see the look on my face! It was utter shock and disbelief! I tried to cover it up, but it was hard. So this is done. The short version of the interview will air this Thursday on an internet radio program called "Main Street". Here is the website address: www.voanews.com/mainstreet I am just hoping that Mr.. Landphair will be as kind to me in the editing room as he was to me during the interview. I need a big favor from you Jim. Do you think you could forward this to the Joni list for me. I am at work and not able to email the list from work. I'm not sure who is in what time zone or day and I wanted my Joni friends to be able to listen to the broadcast if possible. People outside of the United States should be able to get the entire broadcast. I believe this will also air on Thursday as well. Ted Landphair has the demo in his hands, so keep your fingers crossed that more will come from this. Take care, Jim and thank you for being such a good and fantastic friend through the years. Love, Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums In order of preference (as of this moment, anyway): 1. Court and Spark 2. Hissing of Summer Lawns 3. Wild Things Run Fast 4. Both Sides Now 5. Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm 6. Ladies of the Canyon 7. Blue 8. Hejira Why 8, one wonders? Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:22:52 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Top 8 Joni Albums What are your top 8 Joni Albums? mine are(not necessaily in this order): 1)Hissing of Summer Lawns 2)For The Roses 3)Hejira 4)Blue 5)Shadows and light 6)Miles of Aisles 7)Clouds 8)Court and Spark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:43:51 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC http://www.msnbc.com/news/948420.asp?0cv=LB10 NBC Sports president, Dick Ebersol was the top bidder at $50,000 to know Carly's secret. She'll probably whisper to him that it's "whatever the song/name means to you" :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:55:39 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC >it was about joni. the fact she sang about a man was to put us off the scent.... > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:18:51 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Off to Jonifest (NJC) In about half an hour's time, I'll be leaving for London to meet the band, staying overnight there, then flying off to New York tomorrow for Jonifest. To those of you that wanted to go but couldn't - we'll all be thinking of you and hoping that there's a way to make next year's fest happen, so that those that haven't yet experienced Jonifest can do so then. It really is a treat, and this'll be my third one now. Regardless of who's where, hope everyone has a pleasant weekend. PS. Garret: good luck with the move to London, and enjoy Patti on Monday. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:07:09 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet here in a couple of days! ;~) Mine (not ordered): Hejira Blue Court & Spark Don Juan Shadows & Light Wild Things Run Fast Clouds Turbulent Indigo (I would have sworn that FTR & STAS would have made it, but I can't bump any of the above 8 for them). Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "I Can Hear You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:16:21 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Top 8 Joni Albums For The Roses Blue Night Ride Home Ladies of the Canyon Hejira Court and Spark Hissing of Summer Lawns Don Juan's Restless Daughter - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:07 PM To: "Larry D."; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet here in a couple of days! ;~) Mine (not ordered): Hejira Blue Court & Spark Don Juan Shadows & Light Wild Things Run Fast Clouds Turbulent Indigo (I would have sworn that FTR & STAS would have made it, but I can't bump any of the above 8 for them). Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "I Can Hear You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:51:17 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Okay it changes slightly all the time but here is what I've got: 1. The Hissing Of Summer Lawns 2. Blue 3. Miles Of Aisles 4. For The Roses 5. Hejira 6. Court & Spark 7. Ladies Of The Canyon 8. Song To a Seagull Steve NP: 'Where Love Hides' - Belinda Carlisle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "anon anon" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:22 AM Subject: Top 8 Joni Albums > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? > > mine are(not necessaily in this order): > 1)Hissing of Summer Lawns > 2)For The Roses > 3)Hejira > 4)Blue > 5)Shadows and light > 6)Miles of Aisles > 7)Clouds > 8)Court and Spark > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:31:25 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance (was "About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest)") - NJC and a bit long > Lori went on to provide me with a detailed comparative analysis of > "old-style" vs. "new-style" :-) Can't help myself, Jim: I'm really anal-retentive!! (See my bio, here: http://www.jmdl.com/staff.cfm) : ) > Thanks a lot for taking the time, Lori, and for all the information. You're welcome! > I hope all attendees have a fantastic time this weekend! I'm sure we will, and ... WE WISH YOU WERE GONNA BE THERE TOO!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:45:32 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Laura, I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments --- Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > Laura, > > I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner > circle" has the tendency to > take on the airs of a high school clique with little > regard for the feeling > of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel > left out. Otherwise, why > has an inner circle and outer circle been created > and why is it broadcast all > over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school > anymore. Andrea, I don't know if you're joking or not, so I'm going to assume you're not. There isn't really an inner circle. It's a joke. If there were one, who would want to be in it? Not me - I wouldn't want to be in any club that would have someone like me as a member. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:55:35 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle njc Of course, TRUE members of the inner circle wouldn't announce their meetings or even acknowledge it's existence. Therefore it would appear that the Grand Meeting will happen on the list while those who fell for the "Jonifest" diversion are wallowing in blissful ignorance. Doug Michael Paz wrote: > Yea but what about all you SQUARES that AREN'T coming????? > > > HAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHH > > > Paz (Sixth year and counting. Ok so I don;t have a life and don9t' wanna > live vicariously sue me) > > > >>I am sure the outer circle will do just fine while the inner circle is at >>Jonifest. >> >>Andrea > > > . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:11:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Since so many many things about this list seem to make you unhappy, why don't you leave it? Jerry Aerchak@aol.com wrote: >Laura, > >I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to >take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling >of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why >has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all >over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. > >Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:34:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > HREF="http://www.msnbc.com/news/948420.asp?0cv=LB10">http://www.msnbc.com/news/948420.asp?0cv=LB10 > > NBC Sports president, Dick Ebersol was the top > bidder at $50,000 to know > Carly's secret. She'll probably whisper to him that > it's "whatever the song/name > means to you" :~) I hope so, and I hope he paid a lot of money for the information. Heh-heh. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:37:25 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Responding to Catherines's comments: If there is no inner circle, then why is there constant reference to an inner circle that appears to have particular members assigned to it. If it is a joke, then how about clueing those in the outer circle into it. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:44:08 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Regarding Jerry's comment: I found your response uncalled for, undeserving and hurtful. I have barely said a peep for months. I look forward to reading the list every morning so you really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:47:40 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Oh why not. > > What are your top 8 Joni Albums? FTR C and S Blue DED impossible for me to rank those four. then: STAS then: C NRH LOTC Hope everyone has a safe trip to Jonifest and a grand time there as well. love, mack np: Gene Cotton-Save the Dancer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:49:52 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Actually there are only 7 of us (I mean *those people*) who are in the real inner circle. A meeting is held once a month with Joni (occasionally Larry pops in). They meet at her house in Bel Air, drink vodka and cranberry, smoke 100 cigarettes, and discuss the main topics of the list for the month. If there's something she doesn't approve of, they're encouraged to change the topic. If there's someone she doesn't approve of, she has Les throw them off. And THAT's what the inner circle really does :~) Jimmy P.S. the joke is that once or twice a year, the inner circle is mentioned, but there is no inner circle. (I didn't say it was a funny joke either) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments --- Aerchak@aol.com wrote: > Responding to Catherines's comments: > > If there is no inner circle, then why is there > constant reference to an inner > circle that appears to have particular members > assigned to it. If it is a > joke, then how about clueing those in the outer > circle into it. IF there is no inner circle, it follows that there is no outer circle; hence, impossible to clue in those in the outer circle, because there's no one in any inner circle to do it. Now I'm confusing myself. It's a lame joke and, like all lame jokes, it gets lamer in trying to explain it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:55:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: inner circle njc andrea, it is a joke. wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:01:03 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 LCStanley7 writes: > I'm going to have to take a break from the > discussion list and take care of my little broken heart. > > Breaking like the waves at Malibu, > Dr. Laura Good grief! Physician, heal thyself. Get a sense of humor. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:05:35 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 I wrote: > Get a sense of humor. Sorry for the lack of tag here, Joni-onlies. The original message was untagged and I was so astounded that someone would actually leave the list over a reference to the mythical inner circle that I wasn't thinking clearly. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:14:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 njc it was the orgy thing, methinks. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Agosto de 2003 05:06 p.m. Para: Murphycopy@aol.com; LCStanley7@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 I was so astounded that someone would actually leave the list over a reference to the mythical inner circle that I wasn't thinking clearly. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:33:41 -0400 From: "Lavieri, Vince [185776]" Subject: survival of the list w/out the inner circle njc Let's clear up a huge msconception everyione seems to have. This is no "inner circle" unless I am there and I won't be so all you've have is wannabes. Vince ha ha! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:58:29 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: Dr. laura's comments Dears Andrea & Laura: I can't but feel sad at your attitude: it seems to me you're taking things too seriously. Let's see things clear: can anyone feel there's anything like a snob attitude here?, like a feeling "we're the best, you -newbies- are allowed to beg for crumbs? Obviously not. I am, for instance, a newbie: only six months: I assume there were happy meetings, very much intercourse (some excited moments, some sad moments too) between the members who have been for years and years: is that a reason for me to feel aside? No. Do I feel, in any case, dissed or misused or ignored by people in list? Maybe it's my way of thinking, (Let me say my way's the best), but I feel happy seeing the friendly current between *every* people on this list, I can't percieve no "outer circle", no classes in this list. Maybe there is a reason to be some class here: as Woody (G) said: "this land is your land", don't forget that "Land is for who works in it": ie: for people who thinks about other people, who cares for others, who remembers the other persons, who really wants to say something to other people... but, please, be positive, remember to wear a smile on your face Excuse my poor syntax and expression (I can't find the words that fit), but I wanted to say that you're missing something really valuable giving credit to some joke (BTW: I didn't know that the expression "inner circle" was from high school times: I guess spanish translators had real real trouble adapting some high school stories). Bottom line: do you feel underestimated? You aren't right. Of course you've got many many interesting things to tell us, so many Life to show us, so many jokes and keeny observations to post! Smile! Sigue Siempre Sonriendo: Emiliano - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments > Laura, > > I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to > take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling > of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why > has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all > over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. > > Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:25:29 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: SfS I respect your opinion, Jim, but Mingus's "....Hat" sure sounds like a song to me. It has a regular symetrical form, it uses conventional harmonies (good, but very jazz-traditional) and is easily hummable. I believe Eddie Jefferson wrote words to jazz first; not Jon Hendricks. In fact Lambert and Ross may have done it before Jon. I am passionate about Eddie's not being shortchanged on recognition. be well, LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:48:09 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments I found this sort of curious since I attended my 30 year high school reunion this past weekend. Not sure why I went. Guess I was curious to know if everyone was happy and healthy after all these years AND if that clique-y stuff still existed. Come to find out, it was still the same. You would think after all these years it wouldn't matter. I went up to people and spoke with them anyway ... even if they didn't remember me! Heather - who likes it in the outer circle ... there's more room!! ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Aerchak@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:46 PM To: LCStanley7@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Laura, I agree so totally with what you said. The "inner circle" has the tendency to take on the airs of a high school clique with little regard for the feeling of others. Or maybe the point is to make others feel left out. Otherwise, why has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it broadcast all over the list? I'm so glad I am not in high school anymore. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:24:08 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: #388/ Dr. laura's comments - INNER CIRCLE NOT!! - njc > why has an inner circle and outer circle been created and why is it > broadcast all over the list? Oh dear ... Andrea my friend, Dr. Laura, and everyone ... as Wally wrote, the "inner circle" thing is a joke. It's been joked about for many years. And I realize that it sometimes seems that there is such a thing, but ... everyone, repeat along with me: There is no inner circle, There is no inner circle, THERE IS NO FECKING* INNER CIRCLE!!! Really, honest-to-goddess, there's not. Lori NPIMH: Round and round and round ... * Fecking, from "feck" = a nicer way to say "fuck" Pronunciation: 'fek Function: adjective Etymology: somebody said it at a Jonifest Date: August 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:27:23 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Okay, Bob, since you put it that way, I'll give it a shot! 1. Court and Spark 2. Blue 3. Hissing Of Summer Lawns 4. Shadows and Light 5. Miles of Aisles 6. For The Roses 7. Ladies Of The Canyon 8. Hejira David, still a newbie, but kinda enjoying the inner circle "discussion"- reminds me of Madeline Kahn in that old skit on the Carol Burnett show...inner circles, inner circles, inner circles... NP- Travelogue - ----- Original Message ----- From: > This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers > to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet > here in a couple of days! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:31:42 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) Andrea wrote, of the mystical "inner circle": > If it is a joke, then how about clueing those in the outer circle > into it. The "joke," as it were, is that someone years ago bitched about there being an inner circle, which I guess was supposed to be comprised of people who had been on the list a long time and knew or pretended to know something(s) that everyone else wasn't privy to. But there never has been such a thing. The closest thing is the "staff," which is really just a bunch of people who've worked a lot of hours over the years to put things on the website. And that's it. Now everyone, stop this foolishness and let's talk about Joni or something. Lori * P.S. - Andrea, can you please forward this to Dr. Laura? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:41:19 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Joni and Ani You would think with the way Joni feels about record companies she would approach Ani Difranco about putting her future albums out Righteous Babe Records. Ani makes a heck of alot more money then most people do per unit. Now I am just asking here and it might have already been brought up but it seems Joni would be interested in something in this vein. Peace, Craig NP: Bobbie and Willie Nelson: Hymns ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:58:23 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >I wrote: > > > >>Get a sense of humor. >> >> > >Sorry for the lack of tag here, Joni-onlies. The original message was untagged and I was so astounded that someone would actually leave the list over a reference to the mythical inner circle that I wasn't thinking clearly. > >--Bob > > > I assumed she was joking, not being serious, having a shoy tantrum for a laugh. Any one who calls themselves dr laura can;t be serious....(unless I have my dr Laura's mixed up and if so forget the refernece!) - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:00:08 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Top 8 1/2 Joni Albums Okay, I'll play. 8 1/2. Taming The Tiger 8. Ladies of the Canyon 7. Court and Spark 6. Turbulent Indigo 5. Night Ride Home 4. Blue 3. For The Roses 2. The Hissing of Summer Lawns 1. Hejira Ah circles they go round and round and the close people in and they shut people out but they also receive or they give so circles are what circles always are. NP: Circle Jerks - World Up My Ass ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:01:45 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Special to Inner Circle members only Made you look, made you look ,made you look ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:03:57 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) Lori Fye wrote: >Andrea wrote, of the mystical "inner circle": > > > >> >> > >The "joke," as it were, is that someone years ago bitched about there >being an inner circle, which I guess was supposed to be comprised of >people who had been on the list a long time and knew or pretended to >know something(s) that everyone else wasn't privy to. > it wasn't quite a joke. someone decided there was an inner circle, even decided who belonged in it with them, and took great umbrage at a one liner about the inner circle being killed off by a little blue pill and thus Colin The Nazi was born and the Inner Circle were named-in part. However, there is NO inner circle-it only exists in the mind of one person. > > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:05:18 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Fwd: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments Return-path: From: LCStanley7@aol.com Full-name: LCStanley7 Message-ID: <163.241ec7cb.2c6190b8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:59:04 EDT Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments To: FMYFL@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Dear Jimmy: Thanks for the clarification. I'll be back on the list again, but let me breath a few times first and repeat as Lori suggested "there is no inner circle." I feel sort of like a fool, but I was fooled into thinking it was real... and that was very disturbing to me obviously. Thank you. Waving-truce against the moon, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Special to Inner Circle members only --- Ken wrote: > Made you look, made you look ,made you look Oh damn. I thought it was AmEx calling. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:31:27 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums Here's mine! 1. Hejira 2. Hejira 3. Hejira 4. Hejira 5. Hejira 6. Hejira 7. Hejira 8. Blue And you know there may be more. By the way, I was on the subway in Boston this evening and Maggie got on as I was listening to "Song for Sharon" on the Discman. What are the chances of that! And what am I doing listening to Joni when I'll be screaming that I can't take any more by next Monday! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:31:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) --- tantra-apso wrote: > > it wasn't quite a joke. someone decided there was an > inner circle, even > decided who belonged in it with them, and took great > umbrage at a one > liner about the inner circle being killed off by a > little blue pill and > thus Colin The Nazi was born and the Inner Circle > were named-in part. > However, there is NO inner circle-it only exists in > the mind of one person. I vaguely remember that incident but I don't remember who said what to whom, and I'm glad, because, jeez, I LOVE YOU GUYS, every friggin' one of you! All I know is, as a person who has always felt she never quite fit in anywhere, that is, until I found you bunch of weirdos (LOL), I can tell you that there's something about this whole "inner circle" thing, even knowing, as I do, that it's a joke, for reasons that aren't totally clear to me, that rankles a bit. I can understand how people, especially new people, might feel they were left out, not in on the joke. Not that I want to tell people what they should or shouldn't talk about, (like that would work!) but I get it if people feel left out, esp. with jonifest coming up and all. (I'm going! I'm going! you have no idea how excited I am! I just talked to Mags and Lucy on the phone - don't pinch me, 'cos I don't want the dream to end!) Anyway, what's my damn point? Let's try to take the high road. Let's be kind. Yeah, that's it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:39:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #388/ Dr. laura's comments -- njc Dr. Laura writes: << Waving-truce against the moon, Dr. Laura >> Thank God! I am sorry I jumped all over you, but I was furious that you left the list over my joke post. I have been on this list more than 3 years and have only had a run-in with one other lister (if you count the "sane" ones only) over my comments, so I was not pleased. Welcome back. And there is no inner circle orgy that I know about. Yet. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:39:25 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) Catherine McKay wrote: > >Let's try to take the high road. Let's be kind. Yeah, >that's it. > yeah easy for you to say. you are going to the Fest. you can afford to be magnaminous(or whatever). besides you get to either be in the inenr circle or maybe get to meet to one person who thinks there is one and they are in it! ;-) ;-) ;-) > > > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:42:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) Colin writes: << you get to either be in the inenr circle or maybe get to meet to one person who thinks there is one and they are in it! >> Now, now . . . Let's not diss Muller. He does a lot for this group. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:47:31 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Ani Craig writes: << Now I am just asking here and it might have already been brought up but it seems Joni would be interested in something in this vein. >> Do you mean for future recordings? I hope there are some. Incidentally, I am surprised no one has brought up the fact (per Brenda's recent post) that "T'log" has sold less than 60,000 so far. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 00:44:39 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Letting y'all in on the joke (njc) Catherine McKay wrote: > --- tantra-apso wrote: > > > >All I know is, as a person who has always felt she >never quite fit in anywhere > i know that feeling well. There was a time I felt the List was such a place as you feel but not now. However, the important thing is, it doesn't matter now. I am happy being me, not belonging is not really an issue anymore. Being on the outside is okay when the cost of being on the inside is so high..... have a greta time Catherine. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:57:56 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Top 8 Joni Albums 1. STAS 2. Clouds 3. Ladies Of The Canyon 4. Blue 5. Court and Spark 6. For The Roses 7. Hissing Of Summer Lawns 8. Hejira Oh, I'm sorry, these are her FIRST 8 (studio) albums (I enjoy her live performances, but albums of them don't make for works of art). But these 8 are her ONLY 8 COMPLETE albums. They are the only ones that I've always had on tape without a few songs (or in the case of Mingus, "raps") edited out. They are the ones that were listened to on vinyl. This body of work builds up slowly and steadily, climaxing with her masterpiece, Hejira (which I now know how to pronounce). At 06:27 PM 8/5/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Okay, Bob, since you put it that way, I'll give it a shot! > >1. Court and Spark >2. Blue >3. Hissing Of Summer Lawns >4. Shadows and Light >5. Miles of Aisles >6. For The Roses >7. Ladies Of The Canyon >8. Hejira > >David, still a newbie, but kinda enjoying the inner circle "discussion"- >reminds me of Madeline Kahn in that old skit on the Carol Burnett >show...inner circles, inner circles, inner circles... > >NP- Travelogue > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > > This would be a great thread for some of you newbies and lurkers > > to chime in on...after all, things are going to vewy vewy quiet > > here in a couple of days! ;~) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #389 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)