From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #388 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 388 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- inner circle orgy -- njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC ["anon anon" ] Re: Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: inner circle orgy -- njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!) NJC [Catherine McKay ] skyscrappers njc [vince ] Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: CSN...sadly, NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle (njc) ["kakki" ] RE: magdalene sisters ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in History: August 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: August 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:53:05 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: inner circle orgy -- njc The Inner Circle Orgy will be divided into different rooms this year due to the overwhelming amount of interest. Plans are to meet *discretely* by the pool at 6 PM on Friday. Remember -- this orgy is for the Inner Circle only. Do not tell "the others," especially you-know-who. After the brief pool-side meeting, we will adjourn to the following locations: Gay men: My room Lesbians: Guzzi's suite Straights: McKay's Undecideds: Alison's Thanks! Do you soon! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:30:43 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC >From: hell@ihug.co.nz >Reply-To: hell@ihug.co.nz >To: Joni List >Subject: Carly and You're So Vain - NJC >Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:48:20 +1200 > >Someone mentioned this song (and I forgot to save the >message), but I saw this in the paper this morning, and >thought it might interest a few people: > >"Vain name for price > >If you really want to know who Carly Simon was thinking >about when she wrote You're So Vain, prepare to get out your >cheque book. Simon, 58, tells People magazine she plans to >auction off the answer ... but there's a catch: the winner >has to sign an agreement never to tell anyone. > >The song, which was a No 1 hit in 1973, has been rumoured to >be about Mick Jagger, Warren Beatty, Cat Stevens, Kris >Kristofferson and James Taylor. Simon has steadfastly >refused to reveal the identity of the song's subject until >now. The auction will raise money for Martha's Vineyard >Community Services." > > >Hell I don't understand why this legend keeps going on and on.the fact is,in at least one interview,years ago,Carly admitted that the song was about Warren Beatty... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:50:44 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!) NJC > I don't understand why this legend keeps going on and on.the fact > is,in at least one interview,years ago,Carly admitted that the song > was about Warren Beatty... According to Carly's website, she has not admitted anything. http://www.carlysimon.com/vain/vain.htm Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:52:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC Mike writes: << the fact is,in at least one interview,years ago,Carly admitted that the song was about Warren Beatty... >> That's what I understood, too. And the confusion about Mick Jagger stems from the fact that he does the background vocals. I remember an old interview, probably in Rolling Stone, from around the time of the single's release back in Paleolithic times when Carly dished all the deets about the song, including calling Mick up when she heard he was "in town" and saying "Get your ass over here" to do the background vocals. I remember thinking that she must be pretty self-assured to talk to Mick like that. (This was the 70s and he was at the height of his fame.) Now if we could only find out who "Not to Blame" is about . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:57:55 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC Bob wrote: > That's what I understood, too. And the confusion > about Mick Jagger stems from the fact that he > does the background vocals. I remember an old > interview, probably in Rolling Stone, from around > the time of the single's release back in > Paleolithic times when Carly dished all the deets > about the song, including calling Mick up when > she heard he was "in town" and saying "Get your > ass over here" to do the background vocals. I > remember thinking that she must be pretty self- > assured to talk to Mick like that. (This was the > 70s and he was at the height of his fame.) According to her website (Lori just posted the link), here's how Mick came to do the back-up vocals: "Mark McEwen: How did you get Mick Jagger to sing on You're So Vain? Carly: I guess it was kind of chance in a way. I was in London, it was 1972 and he happened to call at the studio while I was doing the background vocals with Harry Nilsson. Mick said "Hey, what cha doin'?" and I said "We're doing some backup vocals on a song of mine....why don't you come down and sing with us?" So Mick and Harry and I stood around the mike singing you're so vain and Harry was such a gentleman - he knew the chemistry was between me and Mick; in terms of the singing, so he sort of bowed out saying "The two of you have a real blend - you should do it yourselves." And that's how it happened." Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:22:52 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Top 8 Joni Albums What are your top 8 Joni Albums? mine are(not necessaily in this order): 1)Hissing of Summer Lawns 2)For The Roses 3)Hejira 4)Blue 5)Shadows and light 6)Miles of Aisles 7)Clouds 8)Court and Spark _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:18:28 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) Great fotos Chris! I love the man eating tree!!!! LMAO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:19:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: inner circle orgy -- njc --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > The Inner Circle Orgy will be divided into different > rooms this year due to > the overwhelming amount of interest. Plans are to > meet *discretely* by the pool > at 6 PM on Friday. Remember -- this orgy is for the > Inner Circle only. Do not > tell "the others," especially you-know-who. After > the brief pool-side > meeting, we will adjourn to the following locations: > > Gay men: My room > > Lesbians: Guzzi's suite > > Straights: McKay's This promises to be lots of fun. I'm staying in a tent, so proper harem attire is strongly suggested. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!) NJC --- Lori Fye wrote: > > I don't understand why this legend keeps going > on and on.the fact > > is,in at least one interview,years ago,Carly > admitted that the song > > was about Warren Beatty... > > According to Carly's website, she has not admitted > anything. > > http://www.carlysimon.com/vain/vain.htm > Why does anyone even give a rat's bum about it? Like Joni says, what does it mean to you? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 14:21:22 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: magdalene sisters David wrote: > Most likely not, as they would have to admit they > might've been influenced by it in the choice of a > title. Just about the only disappointment I had > with High Fidelity (the movie) was that it did > not include Elvis Costello's song of the same > name, the obvious inspiration for Nick > Hornby's book title. In the case of the Magdalene Laundries, I doubt Joni's song had anything at all to do with the name of the movie. The Magdalene Sisters existed long before Joni wrote about them, and I thought she'd written the song after seeing a documentary piece on 60 Minutes about them? Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:23:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!)NJC --- hell@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Carly: I guess it was kind of chance in a way. I was > in > London, it was 1972 and he happened to call at the > studio > while I was doing the background vocals with Harry > Nilsson. > Mick said "Hey, what cha doin'?" and I said "We're > doing > some backup vocals on a song of mine....why don't > you come > down and sing with us?" Is it just me? Does this remind anyone else of Krusty the Klown explaining how he and Sting got together to sing "We're sending our love down the well" for little Timmy O'Toole? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:43:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: magdalene sisters Hell writes: << I thought she'd written the song after seeing a documentary piece on 60 Minutes about them? >> The documentary is called something like, believe it or not, "Sex in a Cold Climate." (I read a review of the new movie and I think that's right, although I am much more certain of what Carly said she said to Mick 30 years ago.) The documentary is getting a lot of new attention now that the feature film is out. The new movie is supposed to be pretty bad, but not in a legendary way like "Gigli." So, in summary, I would say that the best "art" that ever came from this tragic, more-cruel-than-almost-any-other-sadistically-cruel-Catholic-stories-you've-ever-heard situation is Joni's song recorded with the Chieftains. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:44:09 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: misquote/JoniFest In a message dated 8/4/03 3:01:20 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > >I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest, and I >must admit that my interest took a nose-dive last year when it was >transformed from an informal annual weekend get-together at Ashara's (and >nearby motels) into something far more organized and expensive, at a resort. >I wouldn't be surprised if this "growing" of the Fest, into an event >complete with commemorative merchandise and daily agendas and workshops and >what have you, has been the primary reason for the decline in interest. >Maybe there could be a return to greater informality in the future, wherein >the Fest again becomes a gathering of friends old and new, with no real >agenda but to see where things go, and with no financial and/or commitment >deadlines. I didn't write the above; I merely replied to it. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:46:05 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!) NJC In a message dated 8/4/2003 10:21:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Why does anyone even give a rat's bum about it? Like > Joni says, what does it mean to you? > > I think she was singing about IVPaul :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Carly and You're So Vain - (she HAS revealed the name of the person!) NJC --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/2003 10:21:33 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > Why does anyone even give a rat's bum about it? > Like > > Joni says, what does it mean to you? > > > > > > I think she was singing about IVPaul :~) > Not likely. The song is too polite. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:58:04 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Song for Sharon In a message dated 8/4/03 3:01:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Didn't I hear long ago that "Indians" have a congenitally better sense of > balance than other races? They were, I thought, always considered the best > workers on "high steel." > > > LAHM > Very Brave, David (no pun intended :-) ) Hey, when is Joni gonna write song for Abbas ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:07:24 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle Yea but what about all you SQUARES that AREN'T coming????? HAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHH Paz (Sixth year and counting. Ok so I don;t have a life and don9t' wanna live vicariously sue me) > I am sure the outer circle will do just fine while the inner circle is at > Jonifest. > > Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:10:17 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: inner circle orgy -- njc Do you do!!!! LMAO! Paz (can't wait to meet Alison's mum!) > The Inner Circle Orgy will be divided into different rooms this year due to > the overwhelming amount of interest. Plans are to meet *discretely* by the > pool > at 6 PM on Friday. Remember -- this orgy is for the Inner Circle only. Do not > tell "the others," especially you-know-who. After the brief pool-side > meeting, we will adjourn to the following locations: > > Gay men: My room > > Lesbians: Guzzi's suite > > Straights: McKay's > > Undecideds: Alison's > > Thanks! Do you soon! > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:06:47 -0400 From: vince Subject: skyscrappers njc Mohawks, among others, but not all native Americans, have an innate sense of balance and ability to work at high altitudes and thus usually are highly represented in those who work on the upper levels of sky scrapper construction Vince Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/4/03 3:01:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com >writes: > > > > >>Didn't I hear long ago that "Indians" have a congenitally better sense of >>balance than other races? They were, I thought, always considered the best >>workers on "high steel." >> >> >> LAHM >> >> >> > >Very Brave, David (no pun intended :-) ) > >Hey, when is Joni gonna write song for Abbas ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:06:44 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle(njc) > HAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:12:49 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: SfS Jenny wrote: > I have to admit Bob, that if a beginning songwriter handed me SFS and asked > for my feedback, I would have made many of the same edits you did. Yet part > of what endeared me to Joni in the beginning was her verbosity - and using > it to break out of expected phrasing and song structures. I have to admit, Jenny, that if a beginning songwriter handed me SFS and asked for my feedback, I would jump her bones. I was thinking some more about the 'flow' of SfS. (And as Bob Muller acknowledged - thanks Bob - some of my edits are just so that I can manage to get the song out with a reasonable flow when I try it my-limited-self). What I was thinking is that Joni graces SfS with quite a few informal, conversational touches, almost to suggest that it is stream of consciousness - but the structure of the work belies that possibility. It is at once structured poetry and an open letter to a friend - a tough blend to concoct, it seems to me. I agree that my edits detract from that charming informality. Like I said, I just don't quite know how to handle it Joni's way - too tough for me. Still love the song, though. I'll let her get away with a warning, even though she was doing 120 in a 35 zone. ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:19:12 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle Paz wrote: > Yea but what about all you SQUARES that AREN'T coming????? Hmpft! We are more diverse than that and have our inner and outer parallelograms and triangles, too! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:28:24 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: magdalene sisters There was a quite extensive review of the movie, including a Joni reference, over the weekend in the LA Times but it cannot be accessed online without subscribing to their calendarlive.com. (which I don't wish to do). The review said the film was not inspired by Joni's song but it did give a nod to her interest in the topic. It also said that the film is pretty raw and disturbing. Also today the LA Times had an article about the Sisters of Mercy, Maryland branch, apologizing for the actions of its sisters in the past. It was a thoughtful and eloquent apology. They had a Magdalene Laundry in San Francisco at one point, too. (shudder) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 20:47:28 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle (njc) > Hmpft! We are more diverse than that and have our inner and outer > parallelograms and triangles, too! ;-) Ah, but is your triangle upside-down? Mine is!! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:48:47 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: CSN...sadly, NJC I just saw CSN last night in Milwaukee, and although the show was pretty good, I am sad to report that there were no Joni mentions, nor did Nash sing "A Case of You." (darn! :( I kept my fingers crossed all evening for nothing) They did, however, play "Woodstock," "Guinnevere," and "Our House," along with the rest of all their oldies but goodies. Nash (with no shoes and socks on) dedicated "Our House" to a woman in the audience who was celebrating her 40th birthday. The highlights for the evening I thought were "Winchester Cathedral" and "In My Dreams," which I absolutely love, and I've never heard them played live before. Crosby also played a newly written song about the people of Enron, which was quite good and humorous. Apparently Crosby and Nash are working on a new album together, and Stills is working on his own solo album. They still sounded great and Crosby's voice just keeps getting better with age! The only complaint I had was that the instruments were louder than the voices at times, especially with Stills wailing on the high frets of his electric guitar frequently. I only wish it could have been a more "unplugged" performance, which is really fitting for the small theater they played in. Mia _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:13:44 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: CSN...sadly, NJC Mia wrote: > I just saw CSN last night in Milwaukee > The highlights for the evening I thought were > "Winchester Cathedral" and "In My Dreams," which I > absolutely love, and I've never heard them played > live before. You should check out Crosby's live album "It's All Coming Back To Me Now" which has In My Dreams. Graham also appears, as well as Chris Robinson from the Black Crowes on Almost Cut My Hair. It's well worth a listen! > Crosby also played a newly written > song about the people of Enron, which was quite > good and humorous. Apparently Crosby and Nash are > working on a new album together, and Stills is > working on his own solo album. That's good news! This is not directed at you, but it always annoys me when I hear people say that CSN have "reformed", because they've never split up. They decided from the start that they would only record or perform when they all felt like it, and would continue with solo or other projects in the intervening time. > They still sounded great and Crosby's voice just > keeps getting better with age! The only > complaint I had was that the instruments were > louder than the voices at times, especially with > Stills wailing on the high frets of his electric > guitar frequently. I only wish it could have > been a more "unplugged" performance, which is > really fitting for the small theater they played > in. Was that the Riverside Theatre? I've been there (with Kerry to see Bonnie Raitt)! I agree that smaller venues sometimes don't work for that reason. Incidentally, one of my favourite videos is CSN - Acoustic, kind of an "Unplugged" (but not MTV, although they've also done that) but a great concert, and Nash has bare feet throughout that one as well! One moment from the video that is really touching, is Nash almost whispering "Thank you, Joni" just before playing Our House. I'm glad you had such a good time, but jealous that I wasn't there - I keep missing CSN by days or weeks, all over the US! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:28:39 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle (njc) Lori asked: > Ah, but is your triangle upside-down? Mine is!! ; ) Only when it has a stem and an olive sitting inside! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:37:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: magdalene sisters hah! nancy mitford must be laughing about it. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 04 de Agosto de 2003 11:44 p.m. Para: hell@ihug.co.nz; dsadowski@ameritech.net; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: magdalene sisters The documentary is called something like, believe it or not, "Sex in a Cold Climate." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:40:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: magdalene sisters they also have the sisters of perpetual indulgence in san francisco. now that's one convent i'd like to be tortured at. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de kakki Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Agosto de 2003 12:28 a.m. Para: Murphycopy@aol.com; hell@ihug.co.nz; dsadowski@ameritech.net; Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: magdalene sisters . They had a Magdalene Laundry in San Francisco at one point, too. (shudder) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:04:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: August 5 1994: Joni gave a press conference at the Edmonton Folk Festival. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/EdmontonPress94.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:04:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 5 On August 5 the following articles were published: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=252 1979: "Joni Shines in Concert" - Daily Oklahoman (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=837 1994: "Edmonton Folk Festival Press Conference " - Edmonton Folk Festival (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=650 1994: "Edmonton Press Conference" - NA (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=965 1994: "Edmonton Press Conference (Part 2)" - NA (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=966 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #388 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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