From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #387 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 4 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 387 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- antichrist (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: njc-negative feedback [tantra-apso ] Re: Keep the Faith, njc ["kakki" ] Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Keep the Faith, njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon ["mike pritchard" ] Re: SfS [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: SfS [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Shameless self promotion (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] (no subject) [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] "The Magdalene Sisters" review in Sunday N.Y. Times ["Timothy Spong" ] Hissing and Hejira songbooks available ["J.David Sapp" ] RE: Jonifest (NJC) [] Re: what was i saying? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] magdalene sisters [twoshoes@sasktel.net] NJC Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: magdalene sisters [David Sadowski ] Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 [Susan McNamara ] Re: JoniFests/Attendance (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle ["Lori Fye" ] Joni in Maxim Blender magazine [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: what was i saying? njc [tantra-apso ] The Lovely Bones njc [tantra-apso ] Re: The Lovely Bones njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Lovely Bones njc [tantra-apso ] Joni's "Clouds" album [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Lovely Bones njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Lovely Bones njc [tantra-apso ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's "Clouds" album ["Stephen Toogood" ] Carly and You're So Vain - NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:21:12 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: antichrist (njc) "ron" writes: > >>>>kate wrote > >>>> Blank"One hears that Bush, who entered the White House without a clear > sense of what he wanted to do there, now feels there was a purpose behind > his election all along; as a born-again Christian, it is said, he believes > he was chosen by God to eradicate the evil of terrorism from the world." > Norman Podhoretz, neoconservative "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I > struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and > now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East."Palestinian > prime minister, Mahmoud Abbas told the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz that Bush > made the above pronouncement during a recent meeting between the two.<<<<< > > damn, at first i thought it was gonna be a post about george harrison - > somehow i identify him more with god. > > anyhow, this is really, really scary stuff. back to the crusades again???? > kill one single muslim & guarantee your eternal salvation??? > > i have never liked bush. he creeped me out from the very first time i saw > him on tv, and now im starting to understand why. we have a > fucking moron as > the most powerful man on earth............... > > can anyone say antichrist???????? Yes, I can: George W. Bush is the antichrist. It's extremely scary. Remember shortly after 9/11 he actually referred to the war on terrorism as a "crusade"? Then one of his staff took him aside and filled him in on what he had missed in school that year, and how under the circumstances it might not be the best choice of words. But that's exactly what this is, The New, Improved Crusades ... now with Weapons of Mass Destruction in every spoonful! - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:39:48 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: njc-negative feedback Suzanne MarcAurele wrote: >as one who usually receives negative feedback for all of my oblique >commentary - > no negative feedbcak here. it smacks to me of truth and was clear and to the point. thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:22:12 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Keep the Faith, njc The Lama wrote: >>I left the key to the Inner Circle conference room on top of the door > > sill. Kate, will you reach it down for Kakki, please? "You know my keys don't fit the door..." I have never been inside the Inner Circle conference room but I have glimpsed it from afar. My place is to merely pour the occasional martini for a few of its keepers ;-) Da Paz wrote: > I will be missing my favorite traveling partner later this week. Sigh...so will I. Which reminds me - the past week my feet have been inexplicably covered in bad mosquito bites (which I never get in LA). I seem to be getting them from the outside patio hotel bar across the street. I wonder iff some Northeast traveller has brought them out in their luggage! Thanks to many empathetic Jonifesters over the years I have accumulated a medicine cabinet full of various ointments and repellents and found a little bottle of sooth-something last night with instructions in both French and English. I'm sure this was one of the Canadians' contributions one year! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:44:43 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) Some while back I posted a link to some photos I'd taken of a couple of castles on the south coast here in the UK. I'm still bowled over by the amount of history kicking around down there - 1066 Country, they call it, commeorating the Battle Of Hastings where some french dude invaded the UK (to get all Bill & Ted about it :) :) I spent a lovely morning today in 30C heat looking around the gardens of Hurstmonceaux Castle in East Sussex. As castles go, it's quite new, having been built in the 1500s as (IIRC) someone's country retreat. And boy, what a retreat! It's now owned by Canada, and is currently used to house students and run courses. The photos are at http://www.hatstand.org/gallery in the People and Places album under "Hurstmonceaux Castle and Camber Sands". Take a look at the castle, and just imagine being a student there... mind blowing! Here's a direct link, but it'll probably be wrapped and broken by the e-mail... (You can always cut and paste into your browser in two chunks if necessary) http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/ view_album.php?set_albumName=album24&page=2 There's lots of other nice photos in there - feel free to plunder... - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 05:26:48 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Keep the Faith, njc kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Da Paz wrote: > > > > I will be missing my favorite traveling partner later > this week. > > Sigh...so will I. (Sniffle) I thought *I* was your favorite traveling buddy, Mikey. You bitch. 'Sides, Kakki's *my* favorite traveling companion (you're a close second fiddle though, dude) and I require a certain level of exclusity. So step off, man! Seriously though, I love the both of ya and I'll be missing you and the whole gang during Jonifest time. Seems like just yesterday we were roomies at that cactus tree motel in Topsfield. And I believe in yesterday. So kakki, why don't we put our heads to together with the west coasties and start planning Jonifest West soon? And all you festgoers, don't forget to participate in Jenny Goodspeed's a cappella workshop this year. It's gonna be life enriching and fun. Really enjoyed working with her last year on it and it was a wonderful group of folks. And ohmygod, Jenny has a beautiful, soulful voice and style that gave me goosebumps and moved me to near tears during the song circle on night last year. (Is there a recording of that and Christina's Norwegian love song rendition, and Sherelle's gospel number, I wonder?) You don't want to miss them song cirles if they're going to be anything like last year's. So, happy trails everyone who's traveling, traveling, traveling... Have a wonderful Jonifest! I wish I could be with you, but I know we'll all meet again someday on the avenue. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:04:28 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) Umm, I didn't send this twice, so I'm not sure why it turned up twice. Confused. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:03:19 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Rhyme Police - Song for Sharon >>Didn't I hear long ago that "Indians" have a congenitally better sense of balance than other races? They were, I thought, always considered the best workers on "high steel." LAHM<< Don't know if it's congenital but here's a link. http://gbgm-umc.org/umcor/loveupdate/nativeam.cfm For decades, the Mohawks, both from New York and Canada, have helped construct the skyscrapers of New York, renowned for the ability to walk high steel beams with grace and balance. "It's a matter of identity and great pride in the tribe," explained Phillips, whose group met a few who had originally worked at the twin towers. PS - I'm unsubscribing for the month of August so any one with anything REAL urgent should contact me at mike@ink08.com mike in barcelona NP Springsteen - Nebraska outtakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:43:45 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: SfS emiliano > My suggested penance: sing it, please, if only once, with all the words! > ;-) Again, Father ? I would guess I sang (tried to sing) it 50 times with all the words (I cannot recall for certain how many times I was able to do so without error, but it was a small number - perhaps one hand's worth). Now that most of my edits are ingrained (I still think it meanders pretty well, and really, I didn't change the substance or sequence at all), this may prove to be the penance from hell ;-) Hey, how many of you have the lyrics to that song memorized (so that you could sing it without looking at the lyrics) ? (Joni - I'm asking you too - we all saw you on PWW&M, where you got some help on verse 3 and then left out a later verse - was that on purpose ?) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Crumbly old castles etc (NJC) --- Chris Marshall wrote: > Some while back I posted a link to some photos I'd > taken of > a couple of castles on the south coast here in the > UK. ... The photos are at > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery in the People and > Places > album under "Hurstmonceaux Castle and Camber Sands". > Take a look at the castle, and just imagine being a > student there... mind blowing! Beautiful photos, Chris. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:30:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Magdelene One of my favorite critics, John Leonard, mentioned Joni yesterday on one of my favorite programs, CBS Sunday Morning. Now that the movie is finally opening here in the States, the story, and Joni's sing, are getting attention. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: SfS I have to admit Bob, that if a beginning songwriter handed me SFS and asked for my feedback, I would have made many of the same edits you did. Yet part of what endeared me to Joni in the beginning was her verbosity - and using it to break out of expected phrasing and song structures. So I guess I have a bit of a double standard. lol. That said, listening to HOSL these past few weeks... the word, rhythm, and note choice on these songs are so purposeful and meticulous. When she does squeeze a lot of words into one phrase it sounds as if she made a concious effort to define the rhythm and pitch of each note-and made sure the phrase was as musically interesting as possible. Which to me really demonstrates her knack for thinking like a composer more than a songwriter/lyricist. Jenny Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: emiliano > My suggested penance: sing it, please, if only once, with all the words! > ;-) Again, Father ? I would guess I sang (tried to sing) it 50 times with all the words (I cannot recall for certain how many times I was able to do so without error, but it was a small number - perhaps one hand's worth). Now that most of my edits are ingrained (I still think it meanders pretty well, and really, I didn't change the substance or sequence at all), this may prove to be the penance from hell ;-) Hey, how many of you have the lyrics to that song memorized (so that you could sing it without looking at the lyrics) ? (Joni - I'm asking you too - we all saw you on PWW&M, where you got some help on verse 3 and then left out a later verse - was that on purpose ?) Bobsart "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:03:39 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Shameless self promotion (NJC) I enjoyed your story very much, Janet Hess. I was particularly impressed by how you achieved such vivid characterizatrion with vernacular. I got a smile out of the humor in your bio, too. Thanks for sharing. Write on! - -Julius P.S. - My kitties, Sugar and Tyrone, read along over my shoulder and want to send a "meow-out" to Deanna the Wonderkitty. > A short-short story I wrote has just been added to the Prairie Home > Companion website. Here's the link: > > http://www.prairiehome.org/private_wobegon/hess_030801.shtml > > A bio and a photo of me and Deanna follow the story. > > Cheerz, > > Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who hopes there are > plenty of fishy > treats in Lake Woebegon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:20:16 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Just a reminder, if anyone that is not attending Jonifest 2003 would like to pass on wishes for the group, please send a private e-mail to me and I will read them at appropriate times throughout the weekend to everyone. This way you will definitely be there in spirit. Please get them to me by Wednesday noon, at the latest!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:18:54 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: "The Magdalene Sisters" review in Sunday N.Y. Times Sunday's (Aug. 3) New York Times, Section 2, Arts and Leisure, contains a review of the new movie "The Magadlene Sisters," including discussion of the historical background. There is no mention in the review of Joni's song on the same subject, "The Magdalene Laundries," but there has been discussion on this list, in the past, of the then-upcoming movie in relation to the song. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:21:03 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: "...my vain darling" I was just watching the Today Show. It seems that there's going to be an auction in Martha's Vineyard, MA whereby the winner gets to know the secret to who Carly Simon's song "You're So Vain" is about. Now, I had always assumed that the song was about James Taylor, but the Rolling Stone mag guy they had on the show said that the song is more likely about Warren Beatty or Mick Jaggar. Carly's ample lips have been sealed on the subject all these years. Got me to thinking about Joni's "Just Like This Train" from C&S. I've always thought that the "watching your hairline recede my vain darling" lyric was a dig at JT, but now I'm second guessing that, too. Has Joni ever discussed it? I didn't come up with anything in my search of the JMDL library. Just curious. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:59:59 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: "...my vain darling" JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: >I was just watching the Today Show. It seems that there's going to be an auction in Martha's Vineyard, MA whereby the winner gets to know the secret to who Carly Simon's song "You're So Vain" is about. > yes but they have to sign a contract saying they will keep it secret! As for Joni' and James-could be-he has gone bald. But baldness is exy and I don't get why mean are so funny about it(some ofthem). Elton ooks silly. we all know when a man is wearign a toupe and the comb overs are even siller.... bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:49:08 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Hissing and Hejira songbooks available After our recent discussion about songbooks I went to ebay and found beautiful copies of the Hissing and Hejira songbooks. I don't think they had ever been opened. I am not a musician but the music charts are fun anyway. But the artwork is AMAZING. They are large books so the cover art is arguably more beautiful than the original albums. Then there are about 8 full size pages of photos with lyrics on them. The Hissing photos are various shots of Joni swimming in a blue pool in the squinting sun. But the Hejira shots are incredible. They are b/w and tell a story. There is a road running thru a frozen lake. Joni is on the road in her black crow outfit with a heavy set older man holding a piece of luggage in each hand. Toller Cranston is gyrating on the lake. I won't give away the ending but it involves the bridal girl. There are at least 4 songs reflected in these photos. Plus there is a gorgeous double color photo of a road in the burning desert at dawn. I "talked" to the seller - he has more. Contact him at MPadi34031@aol.com or look at his auctions. Happy hunting. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hissing and Hejira songbooks available --- "J.David Sapp" wrote: > After our recent discussion about songbooks I went > to ebay and found beautiful > copies of the Hissing and Hejira songbooks. I don't > think they had ever been > opened. > ... > I "talked" to the seller - he has more. Contact him > at MPadi34031@aol.com or > look at his auctions. This is the same guy I bought these from on E-Bay. He must have quite a stash and they're in fine shape - they look brand new. Maybe he used to operate a music shop or something. In anycase, you don't need to bid, you can click on "buy now" and the prices are reasonable, and he was a pleasure to deal with. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:55:47 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Hi there! Here's an announcement that may be of interest: "Only Joni Open Mic" Hosted by Patti Witten Thursday, September 18, 2003 @ 8:00pm - $3 http://www.pattiwitten.com Everyone, including local musicians, actors, artists, -- everyone! -- is invited to the "Only Joni Open Mic," on Thursday, September 18, 2003, from 9-11PM. Joni wannabes, either solo or duo, may sign up to perform up to two songs from La Mitchell's 30-year career. Serious or lighthearted, amateur or professional, all are welcome! Local singer-songwriter and longtime Joni devotee Patti Witten hosts the show (www.pattiwitten.com). Sign up begins at 7:15 PM at Juna's. The "winner," chosen with the help of the audience, wins a prize. Players are responsible for their own accompaniment. PA and a piano will be available. More info: patti@pattiwitten.com 607-275-7504 I plan on being there!! take care, sue - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:09:08 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Cricket njc In a message dated 02/08/2003 18:12:57 GMT Standard Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > well, i guess an equivalent humiliation would be your drubbing of us in the > one day final recently!!!! > Ron, This reminder does indeed give me some relief as do all of England's recent rugby performances. > i havent really watched the cricket so im not actually sure if weve > recovered, or youve taken a dive :-) > > > Well your lot have recovered in a very major and dramatic way and you have a sensational captain and batsman in Graeme Smith but even without him I reckon SA would have won the match. England lost it by neglecting to bat in the first innings! Jacky [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Papyrus.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:14:10 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: new fender strat :-) njc hi just had to share with people who'd appreciate it!! picked up my new strat this morning - mexican made standard with cream body & maple neck man - am i happy with it!!!! it feels so good, and plays so good & sounds so good - what a pleasure........ ron np - me on my new baby :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:15:21 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Jonifest (NJC) Jim wrote: "I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest, and I must admit that my interest took a nose-dive last year when it was transformed from an informal annual weekend get-together at Ashara's (and nearby motels) into something far more organized and expensive, at a resort. I wouldn't be surprised if this "growing" of the Fest, into an event complete with commemorative merchandise and daily agendas and workshops and what have you, has been the primary reason for the decline in interest. Maybe there could be a return to greater informality in the future, wherein the Fest again becomes a gathering of friends old and new, with no real agenda but to see where things go, and with no financial and/or commitment deadlines. I know that the number of Fest-ers grew too large for Ashara's comfort in 2001, in terms of the Fest taking place at her home and its environs - and, hence, the "new-style" Fest was born - but maybe there's some happy medium that could be arrived at, like having it at a reserved area in a large park somewhere, with plenty of elbow-room, and with affordable motels and camping options in the area. Just my two cents, which I hope are seen as a constructively-submitted hypothesis from someone who, admittedly, knows very little about it. (No flames, please.)" This isn't a flame, but, like Vince, I disagree. I attended Jonifest, 2002 at Full Moon in the Catskills, and it was a truly magical experience. The venue was perfect for our purpose: great performance space; accomodations that were rustic, but quite adequate; the whole place to ourselves, and beautiful scenery. As for the cost: I thought it quite reasonable overall, and indeed, probably LESS expensive than staying the same number of days at a city hotel (especially considering that meals were included in the lodging cost at Full Moon). In all, it looks like I won't be there this year, a decision I put off until the very last minute, hoping against hope to find a way to make it. And one of the reasons the decision was so difficult was the knowledge that this will likely be the Fest's last year at Full Moon. Now, *after Fest,* I'm sure we'll have a spirited discussion about what may be on tap for next year. In fact, Jonifest may well move back to its roots of being a smaller gathering at one or more people's homes, with some attendees staying in hotels. But, for now, I wish Ashara (and helpers) all the luck and best wishes in the world as they put the finishing touches on their preparations--and to all those attending: another memorable, magical Northeast Jonifest. Take care, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:37:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: what was i saying? njc kerry>>I turned to my friend and said, "I can't believe they don't charge a state fark pee."<<(Which we almost did, since we were lauging so hard...) colin>> This evening I turned to john and said:'is the pook corked?<< i am a constant brunt of humor for my family as i have often done this...i do this also when i glance at signs or something similar....the other night we were having dinner next to a bunch of firemen whose shirts (at first glance i thought) said 'fire instigators'... when i looked back i realized they said 'fire investigators'...lol... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 12:52:32 -0600 From: twoshoes@sasktel.net Subject: magdalene sisters Hi all, Been away from the computer for two weeks and not read all the digests yet. Last night en route from the bedroom to the bathroom and back again (bout of migraine) I noticed Ebert and his new partner on TV reviewing a new movie called The Magdalene Sisters. Too ill to watch, I wondered if they'd used Joni's song anywhere in it. Certainly sounded, from what I caught of it, as if the movie was a riff on her song's theme. You guys already talked about it, I suppose. Uh huh. Kate du Nord, always late for the party ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:50:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 In a message dated 8/4/2003 1:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: > I plan on being there!! What are you planning on playing, Sue? I look forward to your report. Bob NP: The Temptations, "Since I Lost My Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:58:04 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: magdalene sisters Most likely not, as they would have to admit they might've been influenced by it in the choice of a title. Just about the only disappointment I had with High Fidelity (the movie) was that it did not include Elvis Costello's song of the same name, the obvious inspiration for Nick Hornby's book title. twoshoes@sasktel.net wrote: >Hi all, > >Been away from the computer for two weeks and not read all the digests yet. >Last night en route from the bedroom to the bathroom and back again (bout of >migraine) I noticed Ebert and his new partner on TV reviewing a new movie >called The Magdalene Sisters. Too ill to watch, I wondered if they'd used >Joni's song anywhere in it. Certainly sounded, from what I caught of it, as >if the movie was a riff on her song's theme. > >You guys already talked about it, I suppose. Uh huh. > >Kate du Nord, >always late for the party ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:06:47 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Hi Bob! Well, sticking to only two songs is hard but right now I'm stuck in the low Bs playing Song to A Seagull, Songs to Aging Children Come (that's a nasty one!), Eastern Rain and a new song for me Carnival in Kenora (thanks to Mark D)! I have to gargle with salt before I sing that, it's in the helium range. I also am going to practice Magdalene Laundries to try and let people know that I also play Joni's more current tunes! Don't even get me started on why I'm not going to be at Jonifest. Maybe that's why I've been singing STACC. I'm in mourning. BOO HOO! love you all, Sue At 2:50 PM -0400 8/4/03, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/4/2003 1:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sem8@cornell.edu writes: > >> I plan on being there!! > >What are you planning on playing, Sue? >I look forward to your report. > >Bob > >NP: The Temptations, "Since I Lost My Baby" - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:35:00 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 In a message dated 8/4/2003 3:06:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: > Songs to Aging Children Come > (that's a nasty one!), You're right - hasn't been tried by many, and the last time I heard it live (Wall to Wall JM in NYC), it was really awful - at least the singer also proved he could ruin Joni's newer material as well when he did a TI that just about cleared the house. I still remember your "Come To The Sunshine" from last year, one of the Fest highlights for me. Bob NP: The Temps, "Cloud 9" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:28:48 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance (was "About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest)") - NJC and a bit long Jim wrote: > I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest, I had to chuckle at this ... it made me think of KFC chicken! > and I must admit that my interest took a nose-dive last year when it > was transformed from an informal annual weekend get-together at > Ashara's (and nearby motels) into something far more organized and > expensive, at a resort. Hmm ... well, there has always been a lot of organizing involved. Regarding Jonifest being held at a resort, I dont think folks typically think of a resort as being like Full Moon, which is a very "homegrown, hippie, organic" experience with rustic cabins on 100 acres of beautiful land, rather than a cookie-cutter compound owned by Ritz Carlton with a bunch of snobs by the pool. Considering expense, more on that in a minute or three. > I wouldn't be surprised if this "growing" of the Fest, into an event > complete with commemorative merchandise and daily agendas and > workshops and what have you, has been the primary reason for the > decline in interest. Im not sure there really was a decline in interest. Rather, I think its a natural cyclical slump, exacerbated by the poor economy and lots of lay offs over the past year or so. There have always been agendas of one sort or another, the biggest one being the performance schedule -- which Anne and Paz and Ashara can tell you is a nightmare to cobble together, but very necessary so that everyone who desires some stage time can have it. Since we are lucky to have a number of people who perform professionally and who want to put on an excellent show, there is a lot of coordination to get sound and recording equipment and people to operate that stuff, etc. (These things were done for "original-style" fests, as well.) We also have the "play around the campfire" sort of thing, but theres a whole lot more to Jonifest performances than just toting a guitar to the stage. Workshops came about because there are so many folks with talents and knowledge (about guitar tunings, songwriting techniques, etc.) who want to share, and as many folks who want to learn. The commemorative merchandise happened this year as a way to make a little money to offset the likelihood of Ashara having to dig deeper into her already generous pockets to make up for the shortfall that came frighteningly close to occurring due to lack of attendance. (Hows that for a good old run-on sentence?) However, I really dont think theres a Jonifest souvenir shop in our future! : ) > Maybe there could be a return to greater informality in the future, > wherein the Fest again becomes a gathering of friends old and new, > with no real agenda but to see where things go, and with no financial > and/or commitment deadlines. The fest is still very informal (I run around naked the entire weekend ... NOT!), and its still a gathering of friends old and new. But there will always be schedules and agendas, be they about performances or meals or making plans to go hiking. It might be fun to blow off planning and just see where things go, but with 50 to 70 people in attendance it might become a bit chaotic. Regarding financial/commitment deadlines, in years past we've each had to commit to transportation and motel costs at the very least, and those things have deadlines too. At some point you have to decide that you are going or youre not, and isnt that really just a deadline? There are meals to consider, too. In the past, someone (Maggie) had to take charge of menu planning. Eventually it's necessary to know how many people are going to show up so there will be enough food. Then theres cooking and cleaning up. This meant that Maggie and whoever helped her had to spend fairly significant chunks of their fest time doing food-related things, rather than enjoying the music and relaxing. It might sound fun to do the girl scout thing with everyone pitching in to cook, but personally, at age 45 Im over that -- and why is it that there never seem to be enough volunteers to scrub lasagna pans? : ) Speaking of relaxing, after "original-style" fests, Ashara has always been WORN OUT. I know that many people will agree with me that last year was the first fest where Ashara really got to relax and let her hair down (so to speak) ... in fact, she was even seen (and photographed) taking a nap in a field! > hence, the "new-style" Fest was born lol ... now Im thinking of "New Coke" ... : D > - but maybe there's some happy medium that could be arrived at, > like having it at a reserved area in a large park somewhere, Ooh, this makes me think of my annual family reunion at the public park in Ripley, West Virginia (where I AM NOT FROM!) ... and oh ... ugh ... Anyway, my family rents a pavilion at the park every year, which requires a commitment and a deadline and money (that some cousin or other complains about every year) and ... well, I'm sure you get the picture. Of course there is also the fact that most park rules would probably not allow Victor to play and sing well into the night. ; ) > with plenty of elbow-room, Im thinking about Full Moons 100 acres again ... > and with affordable motels and camping options in the area. If youll take a look at this link (http://www.fullmooncentral.com/infrm.html), youll see that Full Moons rates are comparable to many motels and campgrounds. There are options for just about every budget. When you factor in meals (especially for THAT FOOD!!) and everything else, the rates for Jonifest are really very reasonable. Plus, in years past those of us who werent lucky enough to be able to bed down in Asharas house or hearty enough to camp in her backyard rented motel rooms in nearby towns which, lovely as they are, had to be located again in the wee hours of the morning -- ask Hell about riding around with me half the night, looking for Mr. Goodbar ... oh wait, we were looking for our motel! With everyone able to be together at Full Moon (yet with enough space to spend time alone if you want), nobody has to play "designated driver" or concern themselves about leaving early to get back to their room to get enough sleep to make the trip back home come Monday morning. You can wander or stumble back to your digs whenever you want, and the most youll have to worry about is running into the occasional bear. (Just kidding, Cindy!!) Just about anyone can put on a little picnic for 10 or 25 people in a park where everyone brings a dish or their own brown bag, but to do something on this scale, where everyone is welcome and invited ... well, ya need commitments and deadlines. Theres just no way around it. > Just my two cents, which I hope are seen as a constructively- > submitted hypothesis from someone who, admittedly, knows very little > about it. (No flames, please.) No flames intended! Just sending a little constructive response back to you. : ) Peace, Lori (looking forward to getting back to the garden in THREE DAYS!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 --- Susan McNamara wrote: > Hi Bob! > > Well, sticking to only two songs is hard but right > now I'm stuck in > the low Bs playing Song to A Seagull, Songs to Aging > Children Come > (that's a nasty one!), Eastern Rain and a new song > for me Carnival in > Kenora (thanks to Mark D)! I have to gargle with > salt before I sing > that, it's in the helium range. Couldn't you just tune the guitar down a tone or two? Not the easiest thing to do with Joni's tunings, I guess, because if you tune any of the strings too low, you lose the tone (and sometimes the string as well...) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:45:26 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Well, on my guitar going lower than B sounds like I'm playing a rusty gate! :-) At 4:39 PM -0400 8/4/03, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Susan McNamara wrote: > Hi >Bob! >> >> Well, sticking to only two songs is hard but right >> now I'm stuck in >> the low Bs playing Song to A Seagull, Songs to Aging >> Children Come >> (that's a nasty one!), Eastern Rain and a new song >> for me Carnival in >> Kenora (thanks to Mark D)! I have to gargle with >> salt before I sing >> that, it's in the helium range. > >Couldn't you just tune the guitar down a tone or two? >Not the easiest thing to do with Joni's tunings, I >guess, because if you tune any of the strings too low, >you lose the tone (and sometimes the string as >well...) > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:46:37 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Only Joni Open Mike at Juna's, Ithaca, NY 9/18/03 Oh wow this sounds like a great event. If I wasn't here I would so be there. It would be interesting to hear which songs people do. Steve NP: 'Lorca' - Tim Buckley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:38:27 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance (was "About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest)") - NJC and a bit long Loori wrote: <> No no no.... It was **WALLY** who was looking for bears. Me, I'll take a beer. Thanks. C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:49:56 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: survival of the list w/out the inner circle I am sure the outer circle will do just fine while the inner circle is at Jonifest. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance --- Lori Fye wrote: > Maggie and whoever > helped her had to spend fairly significant chunks of > their fest time > doing food-related things, rather than enjoying the > music and > relaxing. It might sound fun to do the girl scout > thing with everyone > pitching in to cook, but personally, at age 45 Im > over that I was never into that at any age, LOL. Where there are potatoes to be peeled, you won't find me! > Plus, in years past those of us who werent lucky > enough to be able to > bed down in Asharas house or hearty enough to camp > in her backyard > rented motel rooms in nearby towns which, lovely as > they are, had to be > located again in the wee hours of the morning -- ask > Hell about riding > around with me half the night, looking for Mr. > Goodbar ... oh wait, we > were looking for our motel! ... and you can ask Jimmy and Les and Kerry about our quest to find Jimmy's hotel at 3:30 a.m. It was always in sight, but impossible to get to. If I had had a SUV, I could have just driven through a field and got straight to it. And oh yeah, we had to find out hotel after that too which was equally a mystery. I'm sure there's some kind of warp in the space/time continuum in that part of Mass. because I swear these buildings just come and go as they please - and I hadn't had a thing to drink but water either, so drunkenness isn't even a factor! I, for one, am looking forward to a place where no driving is involved. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:57:43 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance (NJC) > I'm sure there's some kind of warp in the space/time continuum in > that part of Mass. because I swear these buildings just come and go > as they please Can you say "Salem"? ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:00:40 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: survival of the list w/out the inner circle > I am sure the outer circle will do just fine while the inner circle > is at Jonifest. True, but you'll miss us!! NPIMH: "We can't return we can only look Behind from where we came And go round and round and round Inner circle game" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:09:13 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: JoniFests/Attendance - NJC > No no no.... It was **WALLY** who was looking for bears. > Me, I'll take a beer. > Thanks. You drink beer? And all this time I thought it was wodka. ; ) Loori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:22:41 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni in Maxim Blender magazine Recently my son, Josh, found an article in Maxim Blender's June/July issue about Joni. Its a two page article, highlighting all of her CDs, dividing it into catagories of "Blender Approved," "Great", "Check it out" "Be Careful" and "For Fans Only". Each CD has a short review and "standout tracks" for each. It also has a great picture of Joni from the 70s. Check it out!! Hugs, AShara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:28:55 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: what was i saying? njc >i am a constant brunt of humor for my family as i have often done this...i >do this also when i glance at signs or something similar....the other night >we were having dinner next to a bunch of firemen whose shirts (at first >glance i thought) said 'fire instigators'... when i looked back i realized >they said 'fire investigators'...lol... > ia m always doing that too. once in a traffic jam, the car inf ron had a sticker on the which said something like'business with Integrity'. I sat there wondering what INTER GRITTY meant. i have no idea why I read it like that. and not related but annoying: I have been reading a thriller, court room. I had about 50 pages left. I got into bed and had lost my place. i opened hte book, and read the first few lines of the page it was on. In those few lines, i discovered who did and why!!! Pissed me off. Ruined a good read! > > > kate >www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:35:50 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: The Lovely Bones njc I am readin a first novel called The Lovely Bones. It si by one alice sebold, an American woman. it is the most extraordinary book. The story is told by Susie who was murdered by a serial killer, age 14. She tells the story from the spirit world. It covers many aspects, including the way so many people are affected by her murder, not just her family, but neighbours, school teachers, community etc. A most fascinating read. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Lovely Bones njc --- tantra-apso wrote: > I am readin a first novel called The Lovely Bones. > It si by one alice > sebold, an American woman. > it is the most extraordinary book. The story is told > by Susie who was > murdered by a serial killer, age 14. She tells the > story from the > spirit world. I read that book, Colin. It is very good. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:57:20 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: The Lovely Bones njc Catherine McKay wrote: > > >I read that book, Colin. It is very good. > i have not read anything like it before, it is quite original and outstanding for a first novel, i guess. > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni's "Clouds" album I hadn't listened to "Clouds" in years because it's one that I didn't have in CD form but, over the weekend, I picked up a copy for $8.99 (quelle bargoon!) I've just given it a listen and hey, it sounds good! Even sang along with "Both Sides Now", which I thought I'd never do, as it has been so done to death by many's the mediocre artist. Speaking of not knowing what you've got 'til it's gone, sometimes it's great when it comes back. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:10:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Lovely Bones njc --- tantra-apso wrote: > > i have not read anything like it before, it is quite > original and > outstanding for a first novel, i guess. I loved the way heaven worked. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:12:05 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album I love 'Clouds'! It's a very sombre album with a lot of power. 'That Song About The Midway' is a fave of mine. Also the first Joni song that I learned on guitar which 'clicked' is on 'Clouds'! Is it true that Joni herself doesn't think much of 'Clouds' now? I read something along those lines somewhere. Steve NP: 'Babe Rainbow' - Melanie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Jonilist" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: Joni's "Clouds" album > I hadn't listened to "Clouds" in years because it's > one that I didn't have in CD form but, over the > weekend, I picked up a copy for $8.99 (quelle > bargoon!) I've just given it a listen and hey, it > sounds good! Even sang along with "Both Sides Now", > which I thought I'd never do, as it has been so done > to death by many's the mediocre artist. Speaking of > not knowing what you've got 'til it's gone, sometimes > it's great when it comes back. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I love 'Clouds'! > It's a very sombre album with a lot of power. > 'That Song About The Midway' is a fave of mine. > Also the first Joni song that I learned on guitar > which 'clicked' is on > 'Clouds'! > > Is it true that Joni herself doesn't think much of > 'Clouds' now? I read > something along those lines somewhere. Maybe she should give it a listen. :] ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:39:31 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: The Lovely Bones njc Catherine McKay wrote: > > >I loved the way heaven worked. > yes. I think that is one reason I like it so much. It fits very much with Spiritualist philosophy. > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:39:50 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album > Is it true that Joni herself doesn't think much of 'Clouds' now? Well you know she's looked at clouds from both sides now ... Perhaps she's changed her mind. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:43:47 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Joni's "Clouds" album "Catherine McKay" wrote: > Maybe she should give it a listen. :] No I think she only listens to Billie Holliday or Miles Davis now ;{) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:48:20 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Carly and You're So Vain - NJC Someone mentioned this song (and I forgot to save the message), but I saw this in the paper this morning, and thought it might interest a few people: "Vain name for price If you really want to know who Carly Simon was thinking about when she wrote You're So Vain, prepare to get out your cheque book. Simon, 58, tells People magazine she plans to auction off the answer ... but there's a catch: the winner has to sign an agreement never to tell anyone. The song, which was a No 1 hit in 1973, has been rumoured to be about Mick Jagger, Warren Beatty, Cat Stevens, Kris Kristofferson and James Taylor. Simon has steadfastly refused to reveal the identity of the song's subject until now. The auction will raise money for Martha's Vineyard Community Services." Hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #387 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)