From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #383 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 383 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: mars in sight! (njc) [tantra-apso ] Re: njc [tantra-apso ] Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon ["Mick Mick" ] Re: hejira ["David Rahall" ] Re: hejira [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: good for business? njc [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: folk music fans, do me a favor NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: justin timberlake pelted with garbage (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: study war no more njc [vince ] Re: hejira [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: study war no more njc ["Mike Pritchard" ] downloadables [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] re: Emmylou can write, njc ["mike pritchard" ] About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest) ["Jim Leonard" ] Re: folk music fans, do me a favor and MORVERN -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: folk music fans, do me a favor and MORVERN -- NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: hejira [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: folk music fans, do me a favor and MORVERN -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: folk music fans, do me a favor NJC [lfye@cresapartners.com] re: hejira ["mia ortlieb" ] The Bill Of No Rights (NJC) [lfye@cresapartners.com] RE: mars in sight! (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: piece of paper from the city hall (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Covers #43, aka "Smurf's Delight" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Playing live - what a buzz! (NJC) ["Donna Binkley" ] Wow NJC ["Heather" ] Re: Check out By the dawn's early night - The Washington Times: Sports (njc) [RobSher50@ao] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:31:00 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: mars in sight! (njc) Wally Kairuz wrote: > hey, come to think of it... you've got >GREENWICH right there! > 100 miles away! so, is what i am looking for going to look like the moon only smaller? Or is it going to look like a larger star? I hope it is the former! colin xoxo >love, >wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:38:48 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: njc >>>Well that got the Pope's AND the President's attention. >>> >>> you can really see the love of Jesus radiating from these two can't you? Just like you can from the rest of crowd of 'real' followers-their love just radiates right out. Like the shockwave of a nuke..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:26:05 +0000 From: "Mick Mick" Subject: Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon Well we'd all do well to hark Mr Victor Krummenacher and his opinion of Travelogue. He's clearly ahead of his time. It'll take this silly world about 20 years, but it'ill happen. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:42:09 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: hejira Whew. I'm glad this question was asked and answered. I always thought it was hedge-EYE-ruh. When I heard Joni pronounce it differently on "Woman of Heart and Mind," I figured I must have had it wrong all these years. David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Marja Tensen" ; Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: RE: hejira > merriam-webster's dictionary gives two alternative pronunciations (roughly > transcribed): > HEDGE-er-uh > and > hedge-EYE-ruh. > joni, i don't know why, chooses to pronounce it hezh-EER-uh (the "zh" > sounding like the "s" in "pleasure"). > wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:53:45 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: hejira Hi! Just a thought on this: Being "Hejira" an arabian word, could it be the "j" in it be pronounced strong, as the sound suggested by "kh" in words as khan el khalili (the famous El Cairo market)? I'll ask about it to my moroccan friends next time I'll talk to them Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: The Circle Game/Little Green medley, Philadelphia '68 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Marja Tensen" ; Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: RE: hejira > merriam-webster's dictionary gives two alternative pronunciations (roughly > transcribed): > HEDGE-er-uh > and > hedge-EYE-ruh. > joni, i don't know why, chooses to pronounce it hezh-EER-uh (the "zh" > sounding like the "s" in "pleasure"). > wally > > > ---9:--Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Marja > Tensen > Enviado el: Viernes, 01 de Agosto de 2003 01:07 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: hejira > > > How is "hejira" pronounced? I've never heard anyone actually say it! > > -marja > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:55:26 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: good for business? njc Hi, Colin? What's that Clause 28 about? I don't know (or I can't remember now) and I *really* want to know. Many thanks! Wally, I too have received that awful mail you spoke about: it was sent for a good friend of mine, alarmed at its ugliness: according to that, all of us we'd be gay people (preferring opera or ballet to soccer, etc). I really don't mind a s*t about it: I'm with our beloved spanish writer Jose' Luis Sampedro when in his novel "El amante lesbiano (the lesbian he-lover)" states that, being only two sexes, they are more and more sexual preferences: "Against the 16 final variants (to simplyfy), the official model only tolerates chastity or males's domination & female's submission in heterosexual couple. All other Life's experiments are forced to adapt, to feign, to frustrate or endure "perverted" or "sinners" labels, with all its consequences. As Jean Lorrain wrote: "they call vice the pleasure that society don't admit" That's why I love so much the Rainbow flag! BTW, I just find "straight" expression too biased, don't you? Well, that's my two pesos in this matter for today, thank you for your (possible) attention Freedom & Love to us all! Emiliano NP: Both Sides Now, Philadelphia Folk Festival?, 1968 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "tantra-apso" To: "Wally Kairuz" Cc: "Chris Marshall" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: good for business? njc > isn't it hurtful when you discover a str8 person you cared for turns out > to be bigot too? > Many eyars ago we wree friends with a str8 couple-until Clause 28 and > finding out they supported it to 'protect their children'. > > Wally Kairuz wrote: > > >and i have just received a mail from a straight *friend*, a message that was > >forwarded to 2 million people on his address book, with "how to know if > >you're a fag" on the subject line. most offensive thing i've seen in years. > >end of friendship. > >wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:00:26 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: good for business? njc Emiliano Patiqo wrote: >Hi, Colin? >What's that Clause 28 about? > > Clause 28 was a law brought in the Tory govt. back in the 80's which made it illegal for teachers to talk about homosexuality in school lessons. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:01:54 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: folk music fans, do me a favor NJC In a message dated 01/08/2003 02:34:34 GMT Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: > Festival organizers have been booking fewer and fewer acoustic acts in > recent years - someone on staff told me it's because the festival makes its > money on beer and folkies don't drink enough. Folkies don't drink enough?? Haven't these people heard of the Dubliners and Fairport Convention and all their fans?! At Cropredy, enough booze is consumed to float a battleship! Sheeeeesh... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 06:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: justin timberlake pelted with garbage (njc) --- Brenda wrote: > I thought I would dine and dash with that post...but > it appears I'm back. : ) Brenda, you can check out any time you want, but you can never leave! LOL. Was it backlash against pop or just the fact that most of the fans were there to see rockin' bands and not a pop act? or maybe the fact that these guys were likely good and drunk by the time it got started? A lot of them were camped out there the night before to get a good spot near the front - a nurse I was talking to told me that by 8 a.m., before the gates even opened, there were 10 or so already passed out from booze and drugs and by 11 a.m., the makeshift onsite hospital had already seen 10 patients for various injuries. Anyhoo, whatever it was, I'm less than enchanted with my co-citizens' boorish treatment of Justin Timberlake. (Maybe they were from out-of-town.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:57:20 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: study war no more Saw some live music somewhere the other day and the band played the chorus of 'study war no more', but I can't remember the name of the song. Is the 'study war no more' chorus an established part of some song or were the band having a 'joni moment'? Excuse ignorance if this is as well known as 'Happy Birthday to You'; I was eating and drinking at the time and it was quite dark... mike in barcelona NP carles Benavent 'Aigua' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:13:17 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: study war no more njc Down by the Riverside mike pritchard wrote: >Saw some live music somewhere the other day and the band played the chorus of >'study war no more', but I can't remember the name of the song. Is the 'study >war no more' chorus an established part of some song or were the band having a >'joni moment'? > Down By the Riverside I'm gonna lay down my heavy load Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my heavy load Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna lay down my sword and shield Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my sword and shield Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna lay down my travelin' shoes Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my travelin' shoes Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna lay down my gun and belt Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my gun and belt Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna put on my long white robe Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna put on my long white robe Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna put on my starry crown Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna put on my starry crown Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:15:20 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: hejira Well, as a muslim myself, there are one or two ways of pronouncing this - one romanised alphabet spelling is 'hijrah' so I've always pronounced Joni's way 'HEDGE - er- rah but the first syllable, although being stressed, is short so it's almost a 'hidge' sound. If she only said this word in the song, more people would know how to pronounce it! lol Also a person who has gone on hejira (hijrah), who has performed the hadj (haj) is known as a haji if male, and a hajjah if female. So, really we should refer to our Joan as Hajjah Mitchell! ;) Much Joni Jamie Zoob x NP Life On A String - Laurie Anderson --- Emiliano_Patiqo wrote: > Hi! > Just a thought on this: > Being "Hejira" an arabian word, > could it be the "j" in it be pronounced strong, as > the sound suggested by > "kh" in words as khan el khalili (the famous El > Cairo market)? > > I'll ask about it to my moroccan friends next time > I'll talk to them > > Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano > > NP: The Circle Game/Little Green medley, > Philadelphia '68 __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 12:15:56 +0000 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: study war no more njc Thanks Vince, at first i thought maybe it was 'When the Saints go marching in' but then the Rioja took hold... Mike - ----Original Message Follows---- From: vince To: mike pritchard CC: list Subject: Re: study war no more njc Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:13:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from front1.chartermi.net ([24.213.60.123]) by mc4-f2.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:13:40 -0700 Received: from [24.247.237.120] (HELO chartermi.net) by front1.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9a) with ESMTP id 138716147; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:13:17 -0400 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+YDSEg8qKPPD Message-ID: <3F2A595D.5040306@chartermi.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: Return-Path: revrvl@chartermi.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2003 12:13:41.0433 (UTC) FILETIME=[588FDA90:01C35826] Down by the Riverside mike pritchard wrote: >Saw some live music somewhere the other day and the band played the >chorus of >'study war no more', but I can't remember the name of the song. Is >the 'study >war no more' chorus an established part of some song or were the >band having a >'joni moment'? > Down By the Riverside I'm gonna lay down my heavy load Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my heavy load Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna lay down my sword and shield Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my sword and shield Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna lay down my travelin' shoes Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my travelin' shoes Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna lay down my gun and belt Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna lay down my gun and belt Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna put on my long white robe Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna put on my long white robe Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I'm gonna put on my starry crown Down by the riverside Down by the riverside Down by the riverside I'm gonna put on my starry crown Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:18:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: downloadables Hi guys I'm on a mac at work and a pc at home and I was just wondering if anyone was on broadband who had either kazaa (on pc) and limewire (on mac) who had any Joni rarites that they wouldn't mind me downloading from their systems? It's the unavailables that I'm after, not the stuff you can buy (I've already got those in vinyl, cd, hdcd and tape formats! (what me, obssessed?) Much Joni Jamie Zoob (please reply to jamie.zubairi@metrosafety.co.uk) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:27:51 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: piece of paper from the city hall (sjc) Has this line from "My Old Man" run through anyone else's head as we listen to the debate over gay marriage, set off by our fearless and brilliant leader's press conference the other day? Honestly, aren't there enough real threats and problems to focus on? David, the newbie who's fine with not being legally married, but that's just me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:39:57 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: piece of paper from the city hall (sjc) njc David Rahall wrote: >David, the newbie > >who's fine with not being legally married, but that's just me > it bother me either until I realised a few things: i have no right of inheritence, next of kin, or any say in any legal situations that may arise. i can by law be barred from seeing my partner if he should be in hospital. I have no right to be at his funeral. I ahev no say in his treatent.i couldbe thrown out of our home should he die and his will is contested. I have no right to his pension. that piece of paper will give me all these rights. I want it.(this message goes for the both of us!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 09:07:41 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 7/31/03 8:57:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: He's got a woman at home, he's got another woman down the hall (he seems to want me anyway) > And I'm thinking that this is one of those lines that Bobsart > would say is over-syllabic... > > Bob > Well, Coyote was my Song of the Day yesterday to my daughter. My one word review of it was "Whooooooo !" That said, you are probably correct about me again. (This list is a bit incestuous in the sense that we know more in some areas about each other than our significant others do - there, I've done it, I 've tried to say something politically correct). "He's got a woman at home, and another down the hall (he seems to want me anyway)" Nah - not enough syllables. If you did that, before long, you'd have belchers like me trying to cover your songs.......:-) Bobsart, COSP (Chief of Syllable Police) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 09:43:15 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 8/1/2003 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bobsart48 writes: > (Chief of Syllable Police) LOL! Look out Bob, that one is gonna stick. And it's only fair that you mention the Joni lines that you've edited because she was overly-multi-syllabic and get your beating. In other words, which lines make the Chief pull out his whistle and yell: OK, lady...pull over and put down that pen - you've got too many syllables there! ;~) Bob NP: JT, "Millworker" (dedicated to that Millworkin' Ashara) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:52:41 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: study war no more >>I'm gonna lay down my heavy load Down by the riverside ain't gonna study war no more. I ain't gonna study war no more, I ain't gonna study war no more,<< In my own defence of my ignorance over this tune, I should say that there is a Welsh song that uses this tune, 'Lawr ar lan y mor', (circumflex over that last vowel) although the translation is down by the sea side rather than the riverside. I was probably confused by that too, among other things. mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:15:42 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: Emmylou can write, njc Lama wrote >>Okay, she said, "When the telegraph come" which is not Queen's English but it's probably acceptable usage for a red dirt girl. I mean it's not like Neil Diamond saying "Songs she brang to me" is it?<< or like Muller, who seems to think the past tense of 'whet' is 'whet'...see below >>Thanks for pointing me in that direction Azeem. I enjoyed your review, it whet my appetite without giving anything away. Bob<< Sheesh, and him a Sunday school teacher... mike in barcelona NPIMH Emmylou Harris - 'Boulder to Birmingham', wonderful stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:37:26 -0400 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest) I've really been enjoying reading the JMDL digest of late, beginning with all the Laura Nyro posts, the debate about "For Free," and discussions of the albums LOTC, FTR, and THOSL. I'm usually a bunch of digests behind, but I find I can't delete the old ones. I did manage to (almost) catch up this morning (I have one digest to go) and wanted to stop to comment on a couple of posts. Ron wrote, regarding Emmylou Harris not having written original material after the early classic "Boulder To Birmingham":: > the crime is her waiting for so damn long before following it up with more of her own compositions on red dirt girl. > Although she hasn't done as much writing as Ron and I would both have liked during her illustrious career, it must be pointed out that Emmylou wrote the songs on her concept album (not sure of the year of release, but I'm pretty sure it was in the mid-'80's) "The Ballad Of Sally Rose." Most interpreted the song cycle as a not-so-veiled chronicle of Emmylou's relationship with her "discoverer," mentor and former singing partner, Gram Parsons. Also, in "Re: JoniFest attendees," Kenny B wrote: > Ashara; I was thinking how you were saying that the attendance at this year's JoniFest was a bit low and you didn't know if this would be the last year for it if more people didn't show an interest. > I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest, and I must admit that my interest took a nose-dive last year when it was transformed from an informal annual weekend get-together at Ashara's (and nearby motels) into something far more organized and expensive, at a resort. I wouldn't be surprised if this "growing" of the Fest, into an event complete with commemorative merchandise and daily agendas and workshops and what have you, has been the primary reason for the decline in interest. Maybe there could be a return to greater informality in the future, wherein the Fest again becomes a gathering of friends old and new, with no real agenda but to see where things go, and with no financial and/or commitment deadlines. I know that the number of Fest-ers grew too large for Ashara's comfort in 2001, in terms of the Fest taking place at her home and its environs - and, hence, the "new-style" Fest was born - but maybe there's some happy medium that could be arrived at, like having it at a reserved area in a large park somewhere, with plenty of elbow-room, and with affordable motels and camping options in the area. Just my two cents, which I hope are seen as a constructively-submitted hypothesis from someone who, admittedly, knows very little about it. (No flames, please.) Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:37:26 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Emmylou can write, Muller can't njc In a message dated 8/1/2003 10:15:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: > Sheesh, and him a Sunday school teacherb& Well, sure...I'm a Sunday School teacher, not a goddam English teacher! ;~) Bob NP: JT, "One More Go 'Round" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:38:12 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 01/08/2003 14:08:50 GMT Daylight Time, Bobsart48@aol.com writes: << Nah - not enough syllables. >> I reckon if there were a Scansion Police (and who's to say it'll never happen??), Exhibit A would be: I can keep my head at poker But I'm a fool when love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion Whatever I'm feeling's always written on my face. The Rhyme Police might want to take a close look at that too :-) And what about (widening the search), Freddie Mercury's arch classic: I've taken my bows and my curtain calls You gave me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it - I thank you all I love that line and the way he sings it! Azeem in London NP: England's cricket team being SLAUGHTERED by South Africa :-( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:51:31 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: good for business? njc Colin writes: << Clause 28 was a law brought in the Tory govt. back in the 80's which made it illegal for teachers to talk about homosexuality in school lessons. >> So how can the teachers possibly recruit? Winks and nudges? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:53:58 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: good for business? njc If they couldn't make me straight, there's no way we can make them gay! Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:52 AM To: tantra@lhasaapso.name; emilianopd@mundo-r.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: good for business? njc Colin writes: << Clause 28 was a law brought in the Tory govt. back in the 80's which made it illegal for teachers to talk about homosexuality in school lessons. >> So how can the teachers possibly recruit? Winks and nudges? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:00:28 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: folk music fans, do me a favor and MORVERN -- NJC Azeem writes: << At Cropredy, enough booze is consumed to float a battleship! >> Thanks for the info, Azeem. We'll let our president know and we'll get a battleship over there ASAP! Regarding Morvern Callar . . . I am on an e-mail list for a multiplex-type movie theater here in Greater Boston (Kendall Sq. in Cambridge) that plays lots of indies and foreign films. I must have missed the announcement for Morvern (I really wanted to see it). I wrote to the manager asking what happened to it and he wrote back that there was little interest in the film, so they replaced it after a one-week run. I am bummed! Any movie with a Lee Hazelwood/Nancy Sinatra song in the soundtrack is my kind of film! (Plus I liked the book and thought -- because of all the music references -- it might be one of those rare novels that made a better movie.) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:08:40 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: folk music fans, do me a favor and MORVERN -- NJC In a message dated 8/1/2003 11:01:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Any movie with a Lee Hazelwood/Nancy > Sinatra song in the soundtrack is my kind of film! Then you're gonna like Covers # 43 Bobi ! :~) Jimmy np: Connie Francis "Bossa Nova Hand" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:06:28 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: RE: hejira Wally wrote: > joni, i don't know why, chooses to pronounce it hezh-EER-uh (the "zh" > sounding like the "s" in "pleasure"). Because that's how it sounds and feels best (at least to my ears and mouth). : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:14:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: About this and that (Emmylou / JoniFest) Jim writes: << I never had the pleasure of attending an "original-style" JoniFest >> Well, it's next week, Jim, and I am still laughing about your "Lifeboat" comment from a couple of months ago! I'll let you know what happens. (Like if Muller and I duke it out while someone is warbling "Woodstock.") Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:16:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: folk music fans, do me a favor and MORVERN -- NJC Jimi writes: Then you're gonna like Covers # 43 Bobi ! :~) >> What's "Covers?" --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:00:16 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: folk music fans, do me a favor NJC > This is silly, but if you love folk and acoustic music, can you help me > out? Go to the site of my local music festival, > > http://www.musikfest.org/03home.asp > > and vote for Folk as your favorite type of music (the poll is on the left > hand side of the page). Done, Deb! And Folk is now in 3rd place with 16% of the votes. Ah, the power of the JMDL ... : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:15:27 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: hejira <> I just finished a class at school called The World of Islam, and there the word was even spelled differently - hijrah or hijra. The instructor even pronounced it like it looks, with 2 syllables - hijh-rah. In the world of Islam there are many different dialects of Arabic. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:38:06 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: The Bill Of No Rights (NJC) Comments preceding the Articles are from someone other than me. Still, it's food for thought and discussion. Lori, donning asbestos suit just in case - ------ The Bill Of No Rights The following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Kaye from GA. The guy should run for President... "We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some resemblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden and delusional. We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a 'Bill of No Rights.' " ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything. ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone, not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots and probably always will be, and like the rest of us you need to simply deal with it. ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy by telling them they didn't warn you not to stick the screwdriver in your eye. ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we should be wary of public health care or public anything. ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair. ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV, pool tables, weight rooms or a life of leisure. ARTICLE VIII: You don't have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of part time jobs, education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness -- which by the way, is a lot easier if you are not encumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights. ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from. We welcome you here. English is our language and like the country you left behind, we also have a culture. Learn it or go back to the country and the living conditions you were fleeing. If you agree, share this with a friend. No, you don't have to, and nothing tragic will befall you if you don't. It seems about time that common sense is allowed to flourish -- just call it "The Age of Reason, Revisited." IMAGINE THAT. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:29:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: mars in sight! (njc) as large as the moon if you use a 75X-powered telescope and like a very large star to the naked eye. - -----Mensaje original----- De: tantra-apso [mailto:tantra@lhasaapso.name] Enviado el: Viernes, 01 de Agosto de 2003 04:31 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: mars in sight! (njc) Wally Kairuz wrote: > hey, come to think of it... you've got >GREENWICH right there! > 100 miles away! so, is what i am looking for going to look like the moon only smaller? Or is it going to look like a larger star? I hope it is the former! colin xoxo >love, >wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:35:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: piece of paper from the city hall (njc) david, as long as its existence makes me a first-class citizen, that piece of paper is more than welcome. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de David Rahall Enviado el: Viernes, 01 de Agosto de 2003 09:28 a.m. Para: joni Asunto: piece of paper from the city hall (sjc) Has this line from "My Old Man" run through anyone else's head as we listen to the debate over gay marriage, set off by our fearless and brilliant leader's press conference the other day? Honestly, aren't there enough real threats and problems to focus on? David, the newbie who's fine with not being legally married, but that's just me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:29:29 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" Azeem in London wrote: "I reckon if there were a Scansion Police (and who's to say it'll never happen??), Exhibit A would be: I can keep my head at poker But I'm a fool when love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion Whatever I'm feeling's always written on my face." OK, scansion police. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. How about: "Sittin' in a park in Paris, France Readin' the news, and it sure looks bad They won't give peace a chance That was just a dream some of us had Still a lot of lands to see But I wouldn't want to stay here It's too old and cold and settled in its ways here Ah, but California California! I'm comin' home Gonna see the folks I dig I'll even kiss a sunset pig California, I'm comin' home." I rest my case. ;-) Mary P. P.S. I actually started writing a song last year after Jonifest, for the first time in many, many years, inspired by Kate Bennett and Jeff Bisch's *wonderful* songwriting workshop there. My effort, which is about half done and may or may not ever be finished, has a "California"-ish feel to the lyrics, although its subject is quite different: at least, in some ways. I had fun with it. ;-) In a message dated 01/08/2003 14:08:50 GMT Daylight Time, Bobsart48@aol.com writes: << Nah - not enough syllables. >> I reckon if there were a Scansion Police (and who's to say it'll never happen??), Exhibit A would be: I can keep my head at poker But I'm a fool when love's at stake Because I can't conceal emotion Whatever I'm feeling's always written on my face. The Rhyme Police might want to take a close look at that too :-) And what about (widening the search), Freddie Mercury's arch classic: I've taken my bows and my curtain calls You gave me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it - I thank you all I love that line and the way he sings it! Azeem in London NP: England's cricket team being SLAUGHTERED by South Africa :-( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:55:54 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #43, aka "Smurf's Delight" In a message dated 8/1/2003 10:16:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > Then you're gonna like Covers # 43 Bobi ! :~) >> > > What's "Covers?" Nice try, Smurf...but we all know that when we all go home and you're left there all alone, you put on the Joni covers & LET 'EM ROCK! And #43 is another rockin' good collection! For you newbies out there, this is an ongoing JMDL project wherein I collect recordings of Joni songs (and some that technically she didn't author) and compile them into cd's...so each month there's a new Joni tribute CD! Thanks to those who helped me gather these up: Steve Dulson Scott Merrell Joe Farrell And here's a tour of the cd, track-by-track: 1. Terry Gonda - Both Sides Now: From her yet-to-be-released CD "Love, Lose, Repeat" (what a great title!) comes an extraordinary recording of the standard, making it seem brand new again. 2. Briarose - The Circle Game: This trio from Oregon recorded this one in concert, and even added a new verse about the "child" turning 40! 3. Common Ground - Woodstock: An instrumental that settles easily on the ear. 4. East of Eden - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: This jazz arrangement is sort of a samba arrangement, rhythmically speaking, and features some nice solos, including a nice jazz violin. 5. Harry Stoneham - Both Sides Now: An organ medley with "Everybody's Talkin' At Me" & "Elusive Butterfly"...warning - CHEESE AHEAD! :~) 6. Bob Morley - Chelsea Morning 7. Bob Morley - The Circle Game: First, it's MORLEY and not MARLEY, so we're not jommin' mon. These are so-so 70's folk rock covers. 8. Uranus - You're So Square: A traditional rockabilly-style take, pretty much like Elvis did it. 9. The Movieland Orchestra - Both Sides Now: Muzak. 10. Blue Tapestry - Little Green 11. Blue Tapestry - In France They Kiss On Main Street: All these BT covers are outstanding, and these 2 are no exception. BT is a UK band that plays Joni/Carole King music - they don't shoot for outright duplication, and put their own band touches on them. Great stuff! 12. Nyle Frank - Morning Morgantown 13. Nyle Frank - The Circle Game: Nyle has been recording a while. These are solo piano recordings, I had the pleasure of talking to him over the phone - a very nice guy, and a big Joni fan. A very talented player, these are both fine versions. MM has a nice "music box" quality to it. 14. Craig Douglas - Both Sides Now: UK easy listening vocalist, another entry in the "Forgettable BSN" category. 15. Leslie van Berkum - Chelsea Morning: Leslie & her husband run a nursery, and she likes to sing too. Her friends told her she should record a CD with her favorite songs. Good luck with the nursery. 16. Lee Hazlewood - Urge For Going: Lee, who teamed up with Nancy Sinatra on some 60's recordings, has had a long & prosperous career in parts of Europe where he is held in God-like status. This one is on his RAREST and most hard to find LP, so I was lucky in procuring it. His mediocre vocal is salvaged by the fact that this is just a darn great song. 17. Claire Martin - Be Cool (live) 18. Claire Martin - Amelia (live): Getting these recordings is really a major coup, as they are not available commercially. They are taken from a concert she did in the UK earlier this year. Both lovely, and she adds some comments about Joni & Travelogue that are sure to please you T'log fans out there. 19. Ben McPeek - Both Sides Now: Canadian composer/arranger, this one for those of you who may not have been aware that Canada exports cheese too! So there you have the rundown on this month's entry on the never-ending parade of Joni covers! Stay tuned to see how you can win one for your very own and be jommin' like Murphy! Bob NP: Ben McPeek, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:05:24 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Playing live - what a buzz! (NJC) Hi Chris, sorry for such a late response, but congrats on your gig! There's no other feeling like it! Be sure to bring some Stryings cds to Jonifest. I wanted to get mine in person and have it autographed! Donna >>> Chris Marshall 7/31/2003 6:34:27 PM >>> Stryngs just played its first gig tonight, I've just got home from London, and I am on *such* a high right now! Martin and I have been in various bands/musical collectives over the years, and Stryngs sings karaoke quite a bit, but this is the first time we've performed as a band, in a proper venue, with a 100 or so strong crowd that have come specifically to see *us*. It all went like a dream, we got ourselves a great "out front" sound, and got screamed at for an encore at the end. (Like we weren't planning one... :-) I'm just completely psyched (to quote Ashara) about this - it really was such good fun. The scary thing is that I've been playing bass guitar for something like 14 years now, and it's taken this long to hook up with like minded people where there's a great creative process and the feeling that it's damn well *worth it*. Wow. - --Chris Marshall (on a high, and babbling somewhat. Therefore, please excuse the bandwidth...) chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:29:56 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: The lesson of Watergate (njc) I watched a two-hour PBS documentary about the Watergate scandal on its 30th anniversary (seems another lifetime ago, doesn't it?). For anyone who doesn't believe that our current government has been hijacked by sociopathic evil-doers should consider Watergate, it was *not* an isolated anomaly. The tapes of what went on in the White House give us a rare glimpse into the mundane machinations of our government at the highest levels. If you don't think Bush, et al, would lie, obfuscate, cover-up, conspire, etc. just watch this documentary. Then consider John Poindexter (Reagan's National Security Adviser, convicted for conspiracy, lying to Congress, defrauding the government and destroying evidence in the Iran/Contra scandal in 1986, and then pardoned by guess who? Bush's daddy) proponent of the egregiously sick plan for the Pentagon to host a web site betting parlor where anonymous traders could profit from correctly predicting terrorist attacks, etc., and of the Total Information Awareness database, a non-fiction realization of Big Brother. The tiny bit of good news is that it looks like Poindexter will be resigning. The bad news is that the evil cabal (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, and Bush, with whom the blood-stained buck stops) that created the environment in which this kind of insanity flourishes will retain their illegitimately gained power. Consider Watergate, then ask yourself about the secret meetings between Cheney and Big Oil regarding the spoils of Iraq (of course, Cheney's association with Halliburton is just a *coincidence*). Consider Watergate, then ask yourself about the lies about Iraq buying uranium from Africa, lies used to justify and illegal and immoral war. Consider Watergate, and then ask yourself about the connections between the Bush and bin Laden families (the bin Ladens are Saudi; ask yourself about the classified info in the recent 9/11 report that Bush won't release ... why?). Watergate was not an anomaly, it was a template. I'm so beyond sick of this shit. Fuck these motherfucking motherfuckers who are doing everything they can to destroy the world that my little daughter will inherit. Fuck them all. This is not America. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:31:41 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Recent snag I just purchased a Joni Mitchell CD called Just Ice which was recorded live in Toronto on Sept. 13, 1994. Sounds like my video I have on this performance. I have to double check. The list of songs on the jacket are: Sex Kills Moon at the Window Magdalene Laundries Hejira Cherokee Louise - A song for Mary Nightflight Home (Night Ride Home) Crazy Cries of Love Poem- The fish bowl Just Like this Train Happiness is the Best Facelift Lots of dialogue - the quality is very good. Jacket artwork sucks. Made in Italy by CD Music Co. Anyone else have this? Just wondering how published this is. Best- Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:48:09 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Wow NJC We just got back from Martha's Vineyard where we saw one kick-ass performance by Ellen McIlwaine. This was an all acoustic show and, boy, does this woman play one mean slide guitar! The woman who introduced Ellen said " you all better put your seat belts on" and she wasn't just whistling Dixie. She played for 2 hours. Her touring is very sparse these days so if you ever get a chance to see Ellen play, you will not be disappointed. For more on Ellen see http://www.ellenmcilwaine.com/ For those in the Vancouver area (and not going to Jonifest)the following is where she is playing next. Best- Heather August 10, 2003, Sunday Maple Ridge Jazz and Blues Festival 30 minutes from Vancouver Various acts, FREE ADMISSION, to be recorded for CBC Radio's Richardson's Roundup and Saturday Night Blues. Lee Oliphant bass, Shawn Souci drums. One set at 8:15 pm For location click Maple Ridge August 15-17 2003, Friday, Saturday, Sunday Roots and Blues Festival, Salmon Arm, British Columbia Solo accoustic performances with various other artists including Hassan Hakmoun, Kjelimady Toonkara, Linda Tillery, Sonny Rhodes, and Michael Gerome Brown to name a few! for ticket info telephone (250)833-4096 or click Roots to email and check out the website at and Blues ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:48:14 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Check out By the dawn's early night - The Washington Times: Sports (njc) Thanks so much Kakki! Believe it or not, I received a call today from someone at Voice of America Radio on NPR. They want to do a radio interview next week based on the article. Not even believing this one! I had to get permission from Washington Sports because the article would be about them as well. They're going to let me do it and I am allowed to talk about the CD. I guess I am in awe of being so close to so many possibilities. My brother says I have a fear of success and he's right. Every time something good happens, I feel like passing out (go figure!) Where is Terry the doctor when you need her? (or should I say Sigmund?) Sherelle In a message dated 07/30/2003 1:19:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Sherelle, > > All that is happening for you these days is so fantastic and you certainly > deserve it all! I think more and more people are going to be "discovering" > you in the near future. Please continue to keep us all posted! > > All the best, > Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #383 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)