From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #381 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 31 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 381 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" ["hell" ] Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: mars in sight! (njc) [tantra-apso ] CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon ["kakki" ] Capturing the Friedmans - njc [Les Irvin ] Re: Emmylou can write, njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Capturing the Friedmans - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "Dancin' close and slow" [] Re: "Dancin' close and slow" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] feels like coming home ["Love Nature" ] Re: july 30!!!! njc ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: "Dancin' close and slow" [] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 [LCStanley7@aol.com] favorite bumper stickers?(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re guitar [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] Re: whale rider & a wee bit JC [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] RE: NJC Query emmy ["Richard Flynn" ] CSN [Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley ] Re: Those Drums! Those Infernal Drums! ["Larry D." ] God Bumper Stickers NJC ["Emily M. Griskavich" ] Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: july 30!!!! njc [dsk ] Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC [tantra-apso ] Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC [tantra-apso ] Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon [Randy Remote ] Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: HOSL rediscovering joni ["ron" ] RE: mars in sight! (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] JULY 31!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC [dsk ] justin timberlake pelted with garbage (njc) ["Brenda" ] Re: hiatus NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: hiatus NJC [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: justin timberlake pelted with garbage (njc) ["Brenda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:06:36 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" Bryan wrote: > I saw a reference to the phrase "dancing close and slow" in a recent article > that also referred to Joni. This comes from a Joni song, doesn't it? I am > going nuts trying to remember which one. I'm sure one of you can tell me. I had to use the lyric search on the JMDL site (my brain is slow at night!) but it's from Coyote: "He drags me out on the dance floor And we're dancing close and slow" Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:03:37 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" Of course....and Coyote is one of my favorites. I need to re-charge my brain or something. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:24:44 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: mars in sight! (njc) Wally Kairuz wrote: > >At a modest 75-power magnification Mars will look as large as the full moon >to the naked eye. > does this mean we are still going to need a telescope to see Mars? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:32:42 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon A JMDL'er recently sent me this article from the San Francisco Bay Guardian: "The Canyon was on fire- In 1969 the scene in Laurel Canyon was about as cool as a scene could be. It didn't last." By Victor Krummenacher http://www.sfbg.com/noise/2003-07/laurel_canyon.html Kakki editorial comment: Krummenacher casts a rather jaded eye on the Laurel Canyon "myth" (could be that traditional San Fran thing of looking down the nose at LA ;-), treats CSN less than kindly, jabs Neil a bit and then redeems him in the end, but holds Joni up throughout over all of them (even going so far as to call Travelogue "fantastic") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:48:02 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Capturing the Friedmans - njc Joniphiles - So am I the only one who has seen this amazing documentary? Let's discuss! Real life is sooo much more interesting that fiction any day.... Les, packing for the fest while tossing out NJC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:52:43 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Emmylou can write, njc In a message dated 31/07/2003 05:37:10 GMT Daylight Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: << the crime is her waiting for so damn long before following it up with more own compositions on red dirt girl. shes already a legend, for performing interpretations. can you imagine if she had developed her writing talents as she should have??? >> Well, that's one way of looking at it Ron, but one that I emphatically don't share: maybe she just wasn't ready before! Talents mature in different ways and on different time scales. People can suddenly start writing after years of not writing at all, or sometimes after writing very infrequently. It may be because they haven't tried, or because they thought they couldn't do it, or because they had tried and weren't satisfied with the results, or who knows why else. Bonnie Raitt was one example. She'd been predominantly an interpreter until Luck of The Draw (even her breakthrough album Nick of Time had just two of her songs), and then we saw something of a shift. A more recent example is Christine Collister, who averaged one and a half songs per album for the first 3, and then made a big leap with her 4th. Sometimes the old cliche about great art arising out of adversity holds true - - look at kd lang with Ingenue! Boulder to Birmingham was obviously an elegy to Gram Parsons, and I imagine it was at least partly the strength of emotions she felt about him and his passing that inspired that song. Perhaps it didn't presage a full emergence as a composer, though. Anyway, that's my take on Emmylou's belated blossoming as a songwriter, which is welcome in any sense. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Dancing Close and Slow" --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > I saw a reference to the phrase "dancing close and > slow" in a recent article > that also referred to Joni. This comes from a Joni > song, doesn't it? I am > going nuts trying to remember which one. I'm sure > one of you can tell me. Coyote. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:53:46 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Capturing the Friedmans - njc In a message dated 7/31/2003 3:48:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ljirvin@jmdl.com writes: > So am I the only one who has seen this amazing documentary? > Don't know the answer to that, but I can tell you that it's at the top of my "must see" list. When that will be I can only hazard a guess. Bob NP: Talking Heads, "What A Day That Was" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:24:46 -0500 From: Subject: "Dancin' close and slow" Bryan: By this time, I'm sure that at least half a dozen of our intrepid JMDL sleuths will have beaten me to the punch, but the song is "Coyote." ". . . The next thing I knew, that Coyote's at my door He pins me in a corner and he won't take 'No!' He drags me out on the dance floor, And we're dancin' close and slow Now he's got a woman at home He's got another woman down the hall but he seems to want me anyway Why'd you have to get so drunk and Lead me on that way You just picked up a hitcher A prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." Mary P. (transcription a combination of the words on the inside jacket of the cover of the _Hejira_ album, and the way I remember Joni singing them.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:57:56 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 7/31/2003 8:24:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > Now he's got a woman at home > He's got another woman down the hall but he seems to want > me anyway Which was of course the way she recorded it; when she sang it live prior to recording it on her '76 tour, she sang: "He's got a woman for the night and he wants me for the day" Just a little Joni trivia for ya'. And I'm thinking that this is one of those lines that Bobsart would say is over-syllabic... Bob NP: Talking Heads, "Listening Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:27:45 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: feels like coming home - - Love Precisely! And I'm wondering, how does she do it?! - - Love Np - Richard Bona's Reverence -album >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003, "ron" wrote: >then when you put joni back on again, its like it just makes all the other >stuff pale by comparison. gives you a yardstick by which to appraise other >music. feels like youre coming home again. like youve been blinded but now >you see the light (ok - its a cliche - im no joni when it comes to >expressing what i really feel) its like a drink of fresh water when youre >really thirsty but havent consciously realised it 'cause youve been >distracted by other thing.... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:25:20 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: july 30!!!! njc HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEBRA!!!!!! though my wishes are a little belated, they're no less sincere. hope it was spectacular!!!! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:36:43 -0500 From: Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" Ooooooh, Bob, I LOVE it when you talk trivia to me!!!!! ;-) Seriously: re: "oversyllabic": but those are precisely the lines of Joni's that I love the most. I'm no jazz musician--hell, I'm no musician of any sort!--but it seems to me that one of the great contributions that Joni made to popular music in the early- to mid-70's was to break the tyranny of the metered line. From perhaps as early as _LOTC_, and certainly _Blue_, Joni threw in extra notes with her voice, and she threw in extra syllables with her lyrics. She could do the reverse, too: note the sheer time, and number of notes, she expended to great effect on one single word and syllable, "blue." In short, Joni could probably write iambic pentameter or even standard song meters with the best of them, but one joy of knowing the rules is, at least in some contexts, knowing when and how to break them. Those are my 2 cents, and I'm sticking to them! Take care, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:04:26 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 In a message dated 7/30/03 6:39:22 PM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > speaking of bumper stickers (didn't someone > recently? bob?)... the one i like says: > > "the christian right is neither" > > kate > www.katebennett.com > OOOooooo good bumper sticker! I have to admit, I don't like the one that says "mean people suck" because even though I agree with the message, the word "suck" seems like a mean way to put it. I was thinking it would be neat to have a bumper sticker that said, "We have all come to fear the beating of your drum." The broadcast of pictures of the Hussein brothers definitely shows how insane this war is. Bush desired to "build a single nation of justice and opportunity" and to protect our children according to his own words. So, my kids see the Hussein brother's corpses on TV and think this is how our president is working to "build a single nation of justice and opportunity" and protecting me. I have a big problem with this. People make a big deal about kid's video games that spill blood because they associate these with children gunning down children. But, hey, this is real life, not simulation! I've looked at Bush from both sides now... from win and lose, and still some how, his victory illusion I recall, in trying so hard to win, will he kill us all? Looking for the peace and the star, Dr. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:14:30 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: favorite bumper stickers?(njc) speaking of bumper stickers (didn't someone > > recently? bob?)... the one i like says: > > > > "the christian right is neither" My favorite is this one, spotted on a pickup truck while driving through S.Carolina "If it ain't King James, it ain't bible" Victor, heading to see Dylan and the Dead, and thinking that Joan Osborne is a good addition to the band(the Dead that is) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:19:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: favorite bumper stickers?(njc) Saw it last night. It was a great concert! Jerry Victor Johnson wrote: >speaking of bumper stickers (didn't someone > > >>>recently? bob?)... the one i like says: >>> >>>"the christian right is neither" >>> >>> > > >My favorite is this one, spotted on a pickup truck while driving through >S.Carolina > >"If it ain't King James, it ain't bible" > >Victor, heading to see Dylan and the Dead, and thinking that Joan Osborne >is a good addition to the band(the Dead that is) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:14:26 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 - bumperstickers Dr. Laura wrote: > I don't like the one that says "mean people suck" because even though I agree > with the message, the word "suck" seems like a mean way to put it. I suspect that was the idea ... sort of an irony thing. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:34:45 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: HOSL rediscovering Joni > RON SAID"how many > people find that youll listen to other music for quite > some > time, and > really > enjoy it. > > then when you put joni back on again, its like it just > makes all the > other > stuff pale by comparison. gives you a yardstick by which > to > appraise > other > music. feels like youre coming home again. like youve > been > blinded but > now > you see the light (ok - its a cliche - im no joni when it > comes to > expressing what i really feel) its like a drink of fresh > water when > youre > really thirsty but havent consciously realised it 'cause > youve been > distracted by other thing............... > > oh wow, better shutup now......." > > Ron, this is great stuff. I just had to go and listen to > to > "Boho Dance" right now because of your comments. It is > wonderful when someone triggers a deeper insight into a > piece of work in this way and one of the reason I have > stuck with the list and enjoyed reading everyones raves > and > comments over the last few weeks, is because I have got > back "into " Joni after a break of listening. > I have always come back to Joni after lots of diversions > and flirtations with other music. I can only say that > there > are certain books I will re-read and poems that will help > me "get through" and works of Art that will do the same, > soothe the void and where music is concerned I will > always > come back to Joni, there is always something there in her > imagery. I have to go and listen again now thanks to you! > take care > Maggie ( scots) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the > FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:39:36 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re:AL Pacino --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/30/2003 8:50:49 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > athene_13_1999@yahoo.com writes: > > Welcome Scottish Maggie! You're right on about Edith and > the Kingpin. It's > definitely a Joni song which runs through your head like > a movie. I see a young > Al Pacino playing the part of the Kingpin (probably > because of "Scarface") Jimmy.. > I know I know, I was thinking of "Carlito's Way" though, I am an AL fan, How did you guess???(-; > > Can anyone tell me their thoughts on this : do you > think 42 > > is to old to try and learn guitar? > > SURE!!! Michael Paz was 56 when he learned to play > guitar, and he's pretty > darn good now :~) > I will remember that.. > Jimmy > ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:46:33 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re guitar --- Randy Remote wrote: > > I think it is easier to learn guitar than piano. For one > thing, you don't > even need to learn music per se; 95% of guitar players > can't read a > note! Ask around, it's true.... > Also, some people have affinity for a certain instrument > more than > others. I can barely make a sound on a flute, other > people I know > have been able to pick it up and make it sound pretty > good without > any previous experience. > You are not too old, but be realistic. It may take you a > year of > daily practice to get to the point where you are doing it > smoothly. > Try to find a teacher that doesn't get you hung up on > learning > music theory. If you learn the basic chords, you can > start having > fun with it fairly quickly, and if you want to get into > theory, you > can do it once your hands are getting used to playing. > You can also get a basic chord book or chart, and get > started > yourself without a teacher. > RR > Hi and Many Thanks for this advice and you are so right I have to be realistic, it is so easy to have expectations that are unrealistic when it comes to learning an instrument. I will start strumming as soon as my pal lends me her guitar and see how it feels. Take care Maggie ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:49:06 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re: whale rider & a wee bit JC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me their thoughts on this : do you > think 42 > > is to old to try and learn guitar? > > Heavens no, Maggie...go for it. THANKS I WILL!! ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:53:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: Re: Old dogs learning new tricks njc I didn't catch your question the first time around, so > I'm piggybacking on Jimmy's post (Hi, Jimmy!) to say, > you're never too old to try and learn anything. You're > going to be that old anyway, so you might as well be > that old - and be able to play guitar! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > >A very good point Catherine I thank you and maybe I can busk in my old age as we probably won't have pensions in this country anyway! > Maggie ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:07:42 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: NJC Query emmy Ron wrote "one of the most beautiful songs ever written, one thats quite possibly in the joni class - "boulder to birmingham". then she sang it with one of " Ron HI, Which album is this on? I only have "Wrecking Ball" which at first I was unsure of and only played because it was in a house I stayed in and seemed to be the only thing worth listening to. I loved the production of it and her voice, and eventually fell in love with the album. It helped me through a sad time after my Father died. But, I have been hesitant to spend money on anything else. I could explore at Amazon if you could give me titles? would that be ok? (-: take care. Maggie (now wet and stormy Scotland) ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:18:01 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Query emmy It's on "Pieces of Sky" her 1st warner Bros. lp long awaited by those of us in DC who, like me would see her at Childe Harold, Mr Henry's and other venues (night after night). The DC music scene was quite vibrant during the years I was an undergraduate (1974-77). Bill Danoff who co-wrote the song was in a group called "FAt City" with TAffy Nivert, to whom he was married, though they eventually divorced. They wrote "Take ME HOme Country Roads" and, um . . . had a hit as Starland Vocal Band with "Afternoon Delight" a now-dreadful song that, before it was a hit, was performed with tongue firmly in cheek (no pun intended) and heavy irony and was pretty funny. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Ms M Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:08 PM To: flopit@mweb.co.za Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC Query emmy Ron wrote "one of the most beautiful songs ever written, one thats quite possibly in the joni class - "boulder to birmingham". then she sang it with one of " Ron HI, Which album is this on? I only have "Wrecking Ball" which at first I was unsure of and only played because it was in a house I stayed in and seemed to be the only thing worth listening to. I loved the production of it and her voice, and eventually fell in love with the album. It helped me through a sad time after my Father died. But, I have been hesitant to spend money on anything else. I could explore at Amazon if you could give me titles? would that be ok? (-: take care. Maggie (now wet and stormy Scotland) ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:35:39 -0600 From: Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley Subject: CSN Hi Kiddies, Just a quick note in case nobody else posted this last night (maybe Kate of the North - you still here Kate?). I went to CSN last night in Saskatoon, and lots of Joni references there. First, Crosby talked about how Saskatoon was this mythic place for them because of the stories Joni has told them, and then he went on to say how he loved her but how she wasn't the easiest woman to love, and then Nash said "but we tried!" and it was kinda funny. Then Crosby went on to say he thought Joni was the best singer/songwriter alive. Later on, Nash brought out his daughter for her 21st birthday, and they sang "A Case of You" together. He also mentioned how he wrote "Our House" for Joni, and at the end of that song, he said "I believe that Mr. and Mrs. Anderson still live in Saskatoon. If anyone here knows them, please send my warmest regards" which I thought was nice. And, I am sure there was more Jni content, but I can't think right now, and I sort of got kinda drunk by accident, so I could be forgetting something. I didn't think I was feeling the effects of all the beer I drank because of the heat, but when the concert was over and I wanted to befriend the freaky cult people handing out stuff in the parking lot to deprogram them, I realized that I perhaps was a little groggy... Anyway, just thought I would fill y'all in on that one - man, those guys can play, but I didn't get my "Wasted on the Way", which I am still mad about. So, what's new with everyone? Miss y'all, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Those Drums! Those Infernal Drums! As I recall (I could swear I read this somewhere), the drums on Jungle Line weren't "professionally" recorded - - it was, like, some Joe with an old portable Sony pointed at the drummers/dancers. The sound quality has never bothered me. At the time, I was so impressed that Joni was using African drums on her album - pop musicians just weren't doing that kind of thing back in the day. Remember? Peace, Larry D NP: Sail On Sailor, Beach Boys Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: yet another confession - jungle line Re: Jungle Line - the drums sounded so awful and distorted on my LP - I couldn't enjoy it. It's less noticeable on the CD, but still to me they sound as if they were recorded poorly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:13:22 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #379 >The broadcast of pictures of the Hussein brothers > i wonder why they didn't show pictures of his dead 14 year old grandson too-killed in the same raid.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:14:39 -0500 From: "Emily M. Griskavich" Subject: God Bumper Stickers NJC When I was a freshman in college, one of the professors in the Campus Ministry had a shirt that said "beware of God." He knew I was an agnostic, and the first time I saw him wearing it, I said, "When I was 15, I probably would've made a sarcastic comment about that shirt, but now, I'm mature enough not to." Meanwhile, I was swallowing the questions of "Why? Does he bite? Is he neutered? Does he hump ankles? Does he pee on everything? Is he not properly trained? - -Emily, with apologies to all the Christians NP: America, "Horse With No Name" [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:23:54 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC One of my favorite bumper stickers seen out here in Christian-Right-Ground-Zero is "God, please help protect me from your followers". Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:17:32 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC > "Why? Does he bite? Is he neutered? Does he hump ankles? Does he pee on everything? > Is he not properly trained?" This reminds me of something I saw somewhere recently, regarding a dog's opinion of the difference between dogs and cats: "Cat spelled backwards does not spell god." Lori, who has cats (of course) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:56:12 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: july 30!!!! njc Dear Wally, will I accept...? Oh, my, yes! (Is there a Leo alive who would turn down some attention?) I didn't think the BF and his mortal helper knew my birthday, so this is a most pleasant surprise. Thanks, gentle Wally (and I hope your 29-year low isn't too low). Many thanks to all for your birthday wishes and happy returns :-), both private and public. This birthday has been an enjoyable one, with presents, dinners, extravagant flowers yesterday and more heartwarming celebrations to come this weekend. It's a good start to my new year... surely there's some appropriate Joni song for that... Take care everyone, Debra Shea NPIMH: Joni and others Mingusly singing happy birthday, to me of course. Wally Kairuz wrote: > > oh my god! it's debra's birthday today and the BF has already left the room! > will you accept my earthling's greetings debra? > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEBRA! > love, > wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:16:22 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC Emily M. Griskavich wrote: >When I was a freshman in college, one of the professors in the Campus Ministry had a shirt that said "beware of God." > you could have told him that if God is love, there is no need to beware...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:18:17 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC not a bumper sticker but a slogan on the side of truck that goes around emptying people's sceptic tanks/cess pools: YOU DUMP IT, WE COLLECT IT Les Irvin wrote: > One of my favorite bumper stickers seen out here in > Christian-Right-Ground-Zero is "God, please help protect me from your > followers". > Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:20:34 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CSN Neil & Joni in the Canyon kakki wrote: > A JMDL'er recently sent me this article from the San Francisco Bay Guardian: > > "The Canyon was on fire- In 1969 the scene in Laurel Canyon was about as > cool as a scene could be. It didn't last." > By Victor Krummenacher > > http://www.sfbg.com/noise/2003-07/laurel_canyon.html > > Kakki editorial comment: Krummenacher casts a rather jaded eye on the Laurel > Canyon "myth" (could be that traditional San Fran thing of looking down the > nose at LA ;-), maybe so. Having grown up in the bay area (but born in LA), I've always been amazed at the stupid "Giants vs Dodgers" froth.... he says And today reunion tours by the Eagles and CSN (the money's got to be good) prove Young's adage that "rust never sleeps" by showcasing bands who burned out but lack the grace to fade away. As you and I know, Kakki, CSN sounds better than ever these days, and they even have some new songs that are quite good- (don't know about the Eagles-to me they are an oldies act with little else going on....) > treats CSN less than kindly, jabs Neil a bit and then > redeems him in the end, but holds Joni up throughout over all of them (even > going so far as to call Travelogue "fantastic") Proof he is a nut case ; ) He starts the article by mixing up the lines from Young's "Revolution Blues". Still interesting, if jaded reading. Rob Procyk & Tracy Tolley wrote: > Hi Kiddies, > Just a quick note in case nobody else posted this last night (maybe > Kate of the North - you still here Kate?). I went to CSN last night in > Saskatoon, and lots of Joni references there. First, Crosby talked > about how Saskatoon was this mythic place for them because of the > stories Joni has told them, and then he went on to say how he loved her > but how she wasn't the easiest woman to love, and then Nash said "but we > tried!" and it was kinda funny. Great report, Evian, what a unique event! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:22:31 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC "Emily M. Griskavich" wrote: > When I was a freshman in college, one of the professors in the Campus Ministry had a shirt that said "beware of God." He knew I was an agnostic, and the first time I saw him wearing it, I said, "When I was 15, I probably would've made a sarcastic comment about that shirt, but now, I'm mature enough not to." Meanwhile, I was swallowing the questions of "Why? Does he bite? Is he neutered? Does he hump ankles? Does he pee on everything? Is he not properly trained? God smites the wicked, so be afraid, and do whatever the church tells you to do. Or else. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:27:06 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: HOSL rediscovering joni hi maggie >>>>maggie wrote > piece of work in this way and one of the reason I have stuck with the list and enjoyed reading everyones raves and comments over the last few weeks, is because I have got back "into " Joni after a break of listening. that is one of the wonderful things about the list. it just brings out an appreciation for joni, and other music which is amazing. i had never heard don juans reckless daughter - never even seen it in a shop here. after hearing about it on the list i ordered it on the web and was just plain rivetted. & i never really appreciated court and spark. after a couple of discussions here, esp in relation to "down to you" i have come to appreciate it as a true masterpiece. when i listen now its just so beautiful, i just really cant take in all the beauty of it. quite possibly a "perfect" album without a single flaw anywhere. and i am now a rabid patty larkin fan after "discogvering" her through this list. >>>> I could explore at Amazon if you could give me titles? would that well, personally i have never heard a bad album from emmylou, tho i must admit i havent heard them all. a great album in a similar vein to wrecking ball, but featuring her own compositions is "red dirt girl", and the live recording of "spy boy" features a nice mix of newer and older stuff with an outstanding band (well, emmylou's bands were all outstanding) bear in mind that her voice has deteriorated over the years due to some kind of problem she has had, so to get the full effect of her incrdible voice of the past you should look at spome of the eralier albums - "pieces of the sky", elite hotel, or luxury liner are all great. a nice low cost intro (tho im surprised to see its fairly expensive on amazon) to her earlier stuff is the first "best of" album - profile - which has got some great tracks - boulder to birmingham, one of these days, you never can tell, easy from now on. if you want to invest a bit extra, the 3 disc boxset is also pretty good. but, as with all artists, working through individual albums is way better than collection sets. i also have a couple of radio broadcasts/live show recordings which i would be only too happy to send your way for trade or b&p. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:30:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: mars in sight! (njc) oh no! i can see it every morning at about 6 am and it is still almost a month before it is at its closest distance. at first i thought it was a UFO! you'll need a very elementary telescope only if you want to see it look as large as the moon. wally, announcing the next mercury retrograde in a few days - -----Mensaje original----- De: tantra-apso [mailto:tantra@lhasaapso.name] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Julio de 2003 04:25 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: mars in sight! (njc) Wally Kairuz wrote: > >At a modest 75-power magnification Mars will look as large as the full moon >to the naked eye. > does this mean we are still going to need a telescope to see Mars? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:42:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: JULY 31!!!! NJC IT IS STEVE DULSON'S BIRTHDAY TODAY! is steve still on the list? HEY STEVE.... H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:49:53 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: God Bumper Stickers NJC Randy Remote wrote: > > "Emily M. Griskavich" wrote: > > > When I was a freshman in college, one of the professors in the Campus Ministry had a shirt that said "beware of God." He knew I was an agnostic, and the first time I saw him wearing it, I said, "When I was 15, I probably would've made a sarcastic comment about that shirt, but now, I'm mature enough not to." Meanwhile, I was swallowing the questions of "Why? Does he bite? Is he neutered? Does he hump ankles? Does he pee on everything? Is he not properly trained? > > God smites the wicked, so be afraid, and do whatever the > church tells you to do. Or else. That's one valid interpretation. As a sometimes churchgoer, and speaking from a NON-fundamentalist viewpoint, my first thought is "beware" because belief in God can be disorienting and challenging. Expansive, in other words. Unnerving, chaotic, scary. It's much easier to ignore the mystery of life that believing in a creator of the universe evokes and, by doing that, feel there's complete personal control over everything that happens. I don't think there is. So, to me, the beware is more of a "if you don't want to be shaken up, then stay away." It reminds me of a New Yorker magazine cover from long ago of an energetic drawing of an artist in front of his easel, working on a painting. A sign above read "Beware of the Artist." My interpretation of that is similar to the t-shirt phrase... beware of having your nice neat assumptions challenged. If that scares you, stay away. My guess is that's the part of Joni that makes her "not the easiest woman to love" (referring to the message about the Saskatoon concert). Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:47:58 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: justin timberlake pelted with garbage (njc) Hi all! It's been a busy year for me and I hope to get back to the list on a regular basis soon. In the meantime, I thought some of you all would find this amusing. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1475073/20030731/story.jhtml Justin Timberlake Joins Stones At Toronto Benefit, Gets Pelted With Garbage TORONTO  In perhaps his most memorable cameo since donning a furry dolphin suit at a Flaming Lips performance, Justin Timberlake joined Mick Jagger and the rest of the Rolling Stones onstage during the veteran rock band's set at the concert for Toronto on Wednesday night. The afternoon kicked off on a low point for Timberlake when a concertgoer's sign questioning the singer's sexuality made it to the jumbotrons for about 15 seconds. Timberlake took to the stage with an obvious awareness of audience cynicism, beginning his set with a small attempt to mitigate the crowd's frustration: "This will be over before you know it." During his mini-set of "Cry Me a River," "Senorita" and "Rock Your Body," Justin gracefully dodged water bottles flung by anti-pop audience members, and winced slightly at their less than playful jeers. After quietly thanking the city of Toronto for generally being welcoming to him and his tour crew, Timberlake left the stage to make way for more crowd-pleasing acts including the Guess Who, Rush, AC/DC and headliners the Rolling Stones. Justin got his sweet revenge, though, when Jagger invited him onstage for what appeared to be an unrehearsed performance of "Miss You," in which Timberlake mimicked Jagger's signature sways and echoed his vocals. In a clearly forced but effective fusion of classic rock and bubblegum pop, Jagger even sang the words "cry me a river" for several repetitions with Timberlake. And though the audience still managed to sling a few bottles Timberlake's way, guitarist Keith Richards exhibited remarkable tenacity, as he angrily motioned to the crowd to show the pop star a little respect. Timberlake hugged Jagger and thanked each Rolling Stone by his first name, then humbly (or perhaps strategically) made a quick exit. For more sights and stories from concerts around the globe, check out MTV News Tour Reports. Alyssa Rashbaum ) MTV Networks. MTV and related marks are trademarks of MTV Networks. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:28:28 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Paul McCartney Death Clues Page! (NJC) This is very funny stuff and a little creepy at the same time. I thought since there are quite a few Beatle fans on the list you might like to see this. Best Paz > http://www.anycities.com/user/uberkinder/ Return-Path: Received: from rly-xi01.mx.aol.com (rly-xi01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.6]) by air-xi01.mail.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id MAILINXI13-4bf3f2969cbeb; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:11:16 -0400 Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by rly-xi01.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXI15-4bf3f2969cbeb; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:11:07 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1097115-39233-1059678474-michaelpaz=aol.com@ret urns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2003 19:07:59 -0000 X-Sender: tnoct@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: lee-shore@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69730 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 19:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 19:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 19:07:53 -0000 Received: from hppav (pcp03713872pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net[68.52.109.159](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003073118390701100o6cdge>; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:39:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c35793$8f1171c0$9f6d3444@nash01.tn.comcast.net> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Bill Haines" X-Yahoo-Profile: wildbill_37221 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lee-shore@yahoogroups.com; contact lee-shore-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lee-shore@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:42:54 -0500 Subject: Paul McCartney Death Clues Page! (Absolutely NO list relevant content!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.76 Some of us DO like the Beatles...so here you go. A very cool and very funny page! Enjoy!! http://www.anycities.com/user/uberkinder/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US & Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more. Click Here! Click Here! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:30:45 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Dancin' close and slow" In a message dated 7/31/2003 9:36:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > Seriously: re: "oversyllabic": but those are precisely > the lines of > Joni's that I love the most. Oh yeah, and I concur. Very much one of the things that puts Joni out in front. When I sang "Talk To Me" last year, one of my challenges was that whole "slings and arrows" to "Romeo, Romeo, Talk to Me" because of the amount of syllables in there. Luckily for me, Marian was very patient and didn't protest when I asked "can we just do that one part again?" :~) What's so cool about when Joni does it is that she makes it seem like such a natural flow. Bob NP: JT, "Let Me Ride" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:12:06 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: hiatus This is an interesting group. I have to take a break for vacation, but I'll re-up when I come back. Thanks, & special thanks to Bob Muller for the great tunes! Richard Flynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:16:25 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: hiatus NJC Hiatus...hmm...isn't that where the kennedys live??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:21:11 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: hiatus NJC > Hiatus...hmm...isn't that where the kennedys live??? Yes, where they drink Port. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:37:18 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: justin timberlake pelted with garbage (njc) Well, I think it's amusing, not because people were trying to hit him but because MTV reported it. My first thought was, "Hmmm...is the backlash starting?" There are a lot of labels dropping records from a new crop of rock bands and this makes me wonder if it's going to be one of those industry campaigns to push everyone to something new. As for his music, I find it boring and derivative. It's recycled Michael Jackson circa Off The Wall to me. B On 31 Jul 2003 at 16:07, Notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: > I hope no one takes any glee from this. I remember the first time I > saw the concert footage of Joni getting pelted with water bottles > while trying to perform The Three Great Stimulants and how awful that > was. Besides, I took my godson to see him and Christine Aguilera a few > weeks back and I very much enjoyed his (and her) performance. No, he's > no Mick Jagger, but neither is anyone. And that is no reason to treat > a performer this way. > > Jerry > > Quoting Brenda : > > > Hi all! > > > > It's been a busy year for me and I hope to get back to the list on a > > regular basis soon. > > > > In the meantime, I thought some of you all would find this amusing. > > > > http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1475073/20030731/story.jhtml > > > > Justin Timberlake Joins Stones At Toronto Benefit, Gets Pelted With > > Garbage TORONTO In perhaps his most memorable cameo since donning > > a furry dolphin suit at a Flaming Lips performance, Justin > > Timberlake joined Mick Jagger and the rest of the Rolling Stones > > onstage during the veteran rock band's set at the concert for > > Toronto on Wednesday night. The afternoon kicked off on a low point > > for Timberlake when a concertgoer's sign questioning the singer's > > sexuality made it to the jumbotrons for about 15 seconds. Timberlake > > took to the stage with an obvious awareness of audience cynicism, > > beginning his set with a small attempt to mitigate the crowd's > > frustration: "This will be over before you know it." During his > > mini-set of "Cry Me a River," "Senorita" and "Rock Your Body," > > Justin gracefully dodged water bottles flung by anti-pop audience > > members, and winced slightly at their less than playful jeers. After > > quietly thanking the city of Toronto for generally being welcoming > > to him and his tour crew, Timberlake left the stage to make way for > > more crowd-pleasing acts including the Guess Who, Rush, AC/DC and > > headliners the Rolling Stones. Justin got his sweet revenge, though, > > when Jagger invited him onstage for what appeared to be an > > unrehearsed performance of "Miss You," in which Timberlake mimicked > > Jagger's signature sways and echoed his vocals. In a clearly forced > > but effective fusion of classic rock and bubblegum pop, Jagger even > > sang the words "cry me a river" for several repetitions with > > Timberlake. And though the audience still managed to sling a few > > bottles Timberlake's way, guitarist Keith Richards exhibited > > remarkable tenacity, as he angrily motioned to the crowd to show the > > pop star a little respect. Timberlake hugged Jagger and thanked each > > Rolling Stone by his first name, then humbly (or perhaps > > strategically) made a quick exit. For more sights and stories from > > concerts around the globe, check out MTV News Tour Reports. Alyssa > > Rashbaum ) MTV Networks. MTV and related marks are trademarks of MTV > > Networks. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. > > - -------------------------------------------- "Radio has no future" - Lord Kelvin, 1897 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:05:13 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: justin timberlake pelted with garbage (njc) I think this is disgusting behavior. It is not at all acceptable because someone doesn't like his music. In fact, he as moved away from a backstreet boy thing to a harder, more creative sound but fuck anyone who says they can pelt someone else with weapons because they don't like their music. Those of us of my age who diss Justin timerlake - look at your self in the mirror and discuss your affection for the Monkees. Those younger - pick something from your past. I have been at concerts where things have been thrown and I have seen people hurt. I have no respect for anyone who pelts someone else with garbage because they don't like their music., What part of basic human respect do we not understand? What part of flaming hypocrites are we? Vince Brenda wrote: >Well, I think it's amusing, not because people were trying to hit him but because >MTV reported it. > > >On 31 Jul 2003 at 16:07, Notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote: > > > >>I hope no one takes any glee from this. I remember the first time I >>saw the concert footage of Joni getting pelted with water bottles >>while trying to perform The Three Great Stimulants and how awful that >>was. Besides, I took my godson to see him and Christine Aguilera a few >>weeks back and I very much enjoyed his (and her) performance. No, he's >>no Mick Jagger, but neither is anyone. And that is no reason to treat >>a performer this way. >> >>Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:08:50 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: mars in sight! (njc) okay, thnak wally. where do i look? Don't say up! i know that. but where exactly and what is the best time? thanks. Wally Kairuz wrote: >oh no! i can see it every morning at about 6 am and it is still almost a >month before it is at its closest distance. at first i thought it was a UFO! >you'll need a very elementary telescope only if you want to see it look as >large as the moon. >wally, announcing the next mercury retrograde in a few days ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #381 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)