From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #374 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 374 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Another new young Joni fan (and a Joni question) -- now with njc! [t] Re: Even more Joni songbooks [Chris Marshall ] Re: Remembrances (sjc) ["kakki" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] july 25!!!! NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Songbooks ["kakki" ] a song for the season ["bill johnson" ] Jaco/Joni connection ["Love Nature" ] hypocrites ["Love Nature" ] hypocrites ["Love Nature" ] Re: a song for the season [Deb Messling ] Re: a song for the season ["David Rahall" ] Re: Remembrances (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Another new young Joni fan (and a Joni question) -- now with njc! [Ca] Re: Even more Joni songbooks [Catherine McKay ] Re: a song for the season njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: a song for the season [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni/Led/Crows et al [Bobsart48@aol.com] What will you give me? ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC [Susan Guzzi ] re: MOA on CD ["Jerome" ] Joni on HDCD, was Re: Andrea 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: joni's songbooks ["Stephen Toogood" ] re: Joni and Led Zep.....and Chelsea Morning ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Nosy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Judee Sill NJC (long) [Doug ] RE: joni's songbooks ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Nosy ["kakki" ] Re: Remembrances (njc) ["kakki" ] albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Kings X? (NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:15:12 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: Another new young Joni fan (and a Joni question) -- now with njc! Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > And I am not almost 82, as Jimmy >said, except in dog years. > in dog years you died years ago..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:46:54 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Even more Joni songbooks On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 11:50 PM, Jupydoo@aol.com wrote: > got to love Barnes and Noble. After sending my lst link, i discovered > this as well. Includes some biography stuff, too, but also everything > you could want as far as songbooks go: > > http://search.barnesandnoble.com/OopBooks/ > OopResults.asp?userid=3Y8EO335C5&keyword=joni+mitchell Someone give this girl a gold star!!! I would go right out and order the DJRD songbook, but I've almost certainly been beaten to the punch on the one remaining copy available. Court & Spark it is then. So much quality stuff there though (oh, and Chalk Mark :) :) :) - I had no idea it was all so readily available still. Thanks again! - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:25:35 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Remembrances (sjc) Lama asked: > Speaking of chutzpah, Kakki, did I read it right? You told her it took you 20 >YEARS to "get" DJRD?! That took some brass..... I sure did! (but only to emphasize my loyal love and affection for her work ;-) Told her I kept listening to it repeatedly trying to get it and then finally there came the breakthrough. She laughed and acknowledged she also didn't know what she was doing at the time on some stuff. I thought it was great and showed she let the muse lead her, without calculation. And just to add to the Steely Dan thread, I've never gotten any of their innuendos and still don't even after some of the explanations here - sometimes it's better not to know, eh? Just groove with the tunes - haha. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] july 25!!!! NJC Dearest Everyone! Thanks so much for all the warm wishes, I tend to vacillate horribly over birthdays .... the Leo in me feeling the day should be marked in the most grandiose of pomp and circumstance and the vain aging woman begging the day go away . Thanks to my family here for showing me all the love and making me feel ok about turning 39 ................... again. Much as we honor Joni for one of her most famous quotes ... the fact is I do know what I've got here and pray it never be gone! Seeing many of you very soon ... wooohooo! Peace, Susan NPIMH: Sweetbird you are ... briefer than a falling star ... Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:29:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Steely Dan now Sweet Boring James oh yeah! he got the good looks for sure & major talent! i should have plugged crosby's website when i went on that rant...check him out at www.crosbyloggins.com bob >>In a message dated 7/25/2003 9:36:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > he admires his dad but does > not want to be compared as he's got his own style See also: Jakob Dylan ;~)<< kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:29:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: .it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC wow, another leo! have a heavenly birthday hell! >I'm pre-empting the birthday fairy because it's already July 26th in New Zealand!!!!! Happy Birthday, Hell.....< kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:29:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: justice dept. sick of awful radio music? -- njc >>washingtonpost.com Justice Dept. Probes Clear Channel<< apparently bush can't get enough bad music because he's threatening to veto the bipartisan effort to oppose media consolidation...read more here: http://www.commoncause.org/action/petition.cfm kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:28:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Judee Sill NJC (long) I think our Steve Dulson (who is very missed) once wrote a bit about her here. He told me that Graham Nash was quite her champion. I think that someone was also writing a bio of her a few years ago. Kakki NP: Kurt Elling - Never My Love ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:34:56 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Songbooks Joni's first songbook (with all the unreleased gems) is a must have. I only had that one and Blue until the birth of eBay. Now I have all of them except DED. Bought the rare DJRD from Wally Breese for a web site fundraiser. Unfortunately the piano music is way off on it, but what ordinary person could figure out that music back then? ;-) Hopefully Joel Bernstein will make the necessary corrections on his definitive retoolings of some of the songs. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 05:49:43 -0500 From: "bill johnson" Subject: a song for the season Since nobody else mentioned it, and I think it's a new release, I must leave lurk-mode to tell you of some new(?) Joni. Last week on NPR I heard a wonderful version of Summertime with Wayne S., and Stevie W. on harmonica, and Herbie H. I must say Joni sounded better on this one song than anything she did on the last 2 releases. The album is Herbie's and a tribute to Gershwin. Bill from IL, who loves Coltrane and Joni's Jaco years _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:55:26 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: Jaco/Joni connection Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:11:44 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Jaco/Joni connection >... Finally, just as I am sending my child off to college, she is enlightened not by me but by the bassplayer she stalks. Peace, Sue N.P. Off Night Backstreet > I've always had a feeling Joni's singing about Jaco on Off Night Backstreet. Do you have any surety on my perception? Then, does anyone know more about the Jaguar campaign where Joni played Case of You with Brian Blade on drums and Richard Bona on bass? I think the campaign has been done less than a year ago. - - Love _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:17:56 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: hypocrites >"Enter the multitudes >of Exon Blue and >Radition Rose". >I feel Joni was refering to all the hypocrites that went into chuches on >Sunday, but worked for the power Industries during the week that were >poullting the enviorment, thinking they were of pure heart, but by day they >were tyrants. Just a thought... Peace, >Mingus >Well David, Jesus would probably say "Let the first among you who DOESN'T >support a power plant in some way cast the first stone..." >Also just a thought. >Bob >Joni does a pretty good job of polluting the environment with all the cigs >she smokes. Steve >Don't we all give a certain amount of lip service to protecting the >environment? I drive a car (all too often without a passenger), smoke >ganja, drink coffee (typically a crop that has a very negative impact on >the soil), use plastic ... and I know I shouldn't do any of those things. >I do try to be earth-sensitive, but I could do a better job. > > >Meanwhile, I can't imagine that Joni's cigarette smoking causes more > >damage than, say, any one of us idling our car while the train rushes by. > >not mention the elctricity we all use...or the methane we produce..... > >plus the mountians of rubbish..... > >Lori Pure hypocrites! A typical way to avoid a bad conscience is to hide himself behind all the pollution causes saying there are too much sources that pollute the nature. Do recycle and drive your cars as less as possible. Especially fastfood-countries have lot to learn in that. I think Steve and Mingus threw some good thoughts. - - Love _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:19:50 +0300 From: "Love Nature" Subject: hypocrites N.P. Te Misea by Richard Bona - - Love _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:47:08 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: a song for the season The name of Herbie's album is Gershwin's World. She also sings The Man I Love. It was released in 1998. At 05:49 AM 7/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Since nobody else mentioned it, and I think it's a new release, I must >leave lurk-mode to tell you of some new(?) Joni. Last week on NPR I >heard a wonderful version of Summertime with Wayne S., and Stevie W. on >harmonica, and Herbie H. I must say Joni sounded better on this one song >than anything she did on the last 2 releases. The album is Herbie's and a >tribute to Gershwin. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:48:52 -0400 From: "David Rahall" Subject: Re: a song for the season Thanks for the heads up, Bill from IL! I'll be checking this cd out. Joni singing "Summertime" sounds like my cuppa tea. Actually, Joni singing just about anything... Hi all, btw! I'm another brand newbie- a major Joniphile since I was a teenager (I'm 45 now). David NP- Travelogue - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:49 AM Subject: a song for the season > Since nobody else mentioned it, and I think it's a new release, I must leave > lurk-mode to tell you of some new(?) Joni. Last week on NPR I heard a > wonderful version of Summertime with Wayne S., and Stevie W. on harmonica, > and Herbie H. I must say Joni sounded better on this one song than anything > she did on the last 2 releases. The album is Herbie's and a tribute to > Gershwin. > > Bill from IL, who loves Coltrane > and Joni's Jaco years > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Remembrances (njc) --- kakki wrote:> And just to add to the Steely Dan thread, I've never > gotten any of their > innuendos and still don't even after some of the > explanations here - > sometimes it's better not to know, eh? Just groove > with the tunes - haha. I agree completely. Don't get what they're talking about, kind of don't want to know! but I love their music. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:24:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC --- kerry wrote: > I'm pre-empting the birthday fairy because it's > already July 26th in New > Zealand!!!!! > > Happy Birthday, Hell..... > > I hope all your birthday wishes come true!!!! Happy birthday, Hell! You share a birthday with Mick Jagger (older than Murphy and me!) and with my son Matthew, who is now officially a teenager. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Another new young Joni fan (and a Joni question) -- now with njc! --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Catherine writes: > > << Welcome to young people - we need someone to > carry on after all us old > farts (like me and Murphy) kick it! >> > > I'm not as old as you are, you old poop! I just wanted to see if you were paying attention, ya geezer! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Even more Joni songbooks --- Chris Marshall wrote: > On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 11:50 PM, > Jupydoo@aol.com wrote: > > got to love Barnes and Noble. After sending my lst > link, i discovered > > this as well. Includes some biography stuff, too, > but also everything > > you could want as far as songbooks go: > > > > http://search.barnesandnoble.com/OopBooks/ > > > OopResults.asp?userid=3Y8EO335C5&keyword=joni+mitchell > > Someone give this girl a gold star!!! > Before everyone gets TOO excited, most of what's on there is old records and not old books. You don't find this out until you go into the items and check them out individually. They did have some "Court and Spark" books and they had one "Blue" book and one "Joni Mitchell Songbook". I think there was at least one "For the roses" songbook (I recommend this for the fact it doesn't use standard tunings for all the songs). Unfortunately any of the "Night ride home", "DJRD", "Mingus", and oh yeah, "Dog eat Dog" were NOT songbooks after all. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a song for the season njc --- David Rahall wrote: > > Hi all, btw! I'm another brand newbie- a major > Joniphile since I was a > teenager (I'm 45 now). Wow! More newbies! and a couple of lurkers delurking - this is good stuff. Please do stick around. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:07:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a song for the season In a message dated 7/26/2003 7:52:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dasaff@bellsouth.net writes: > Hi all, btw! I'm another brand newbie- a major Joniphile since I was a > teenager (I'm 45 now). > Hi David, and a big welcome, and also a big thanks to the de-lurkers...STAY OUT HERE AND PLAY! Yes, I'm shouting because new voices rule! Everyone has something special to offer, so keep those thoughts coming. As for "Summertime", it's really great, as is the other Joni track Deb referred to. Joni also performed Summertime live at the Day In The Garden appearance in '98 with Mark Isham on trumpet - totally excellent. Bob, who's awfully glad he's not doing a Gershwin covers project! NP: The Cure, "Love Cats" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:23:29 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Led/Crows et al In a message dated 7/26/03 3:01:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Now, if only I could find evidence that she knew/knows Jimmy Page/Robert > Plant:) > - -Juniper > > Welcome, Juniper, It is great for us older fans to learn that Joni's work seems to be getting appreciated more and more by succeeding generations of listeners (through and including the current one). Do you think her music will be appreciated beyond your generation ? My daughter Leah (now 23) is among the recently converted. She is working on her boyfriend at the moment. (The converts are usually the most zealous, no ?). I assume you know that Robert Plant and Jimmy Page are (publicly acknowledged) big Joni admirers. I believe there is a story out there to the effect that when they met Joni, they were temporarily dumbstruck. One of the other listers can probably provide details. Did you read my post the other day (Wednesday) from Adam Duritz's on-line diary ? If not, check it out. Bob Sartorius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:40:42 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: What will you give me? Picked this out of the recent article Les posted, Rising Folksinger from Saskatoon Discusses Career (Saskatoon StarPheonix, July 28, 1966) Another song, "What Will You Give Me", desribes in nostalgic terms the longing of a prairie native who is far away from home, in a moment of regret. Never heard of this one. Anyone? Michael in Quebec NP: the falling rain ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY HELLLLLLLL!!!!!!!! This is Susan passing her birthday buzz over to you - raise a glass or 8 to your day Helen - and I will do the same in your honor .. again today! May all you dreams come true and may you die happy trying! But not for a very very very long time! Party till the dingos come home! Lotsa love and hugs .... Peace, Susan Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:18:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What will you give me? In a message dated 7/26/2003 10:38:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelo@webnet.qc.ca writes: > Never heard of this one. Anyone? > It's on the "unreleased" list on JM.com, although there are no lyrics listed: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Unreleased.html When you get a recording of it, please lemme know! :~) Bob NP: Fugazi, "Cashout" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:40:52 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Remembrances (sjc) Shall we break down one more lascivious Steely Dan lyric? "Cousin Dupree" is yet another down-and-out grownup and he's mooching at his aunt's house. Dupree is ogling on his luscious cousin while he's pretending to read a newspaper. Donald and Walter tip us off that he's ogling when they choose the name of the newspaper. Ready? "I was sittin' there reading the National Probe as I was watching her wax her skis." Kakki, I don't want to shock you dear, but when someone waxes skis, they have a steady, rhythmic, back and forth action. They put a "visual" in your head right after they put the word "probe" in you head. That's innuendo. Do you get it? If not, would you like to? :) Oh no! Now I'm doing it! Lama From: "kakki" I've never gotten any of their > innuendos and still don't even after some of the explanations here - > sometimes it's better not to know, eh? Just groove with the tunes - haha. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:19:19 -0700 From: "Jerome" Subject: re: MOA on CD For what it's worth, my HDCD copy of MOA seems to be complete. All the patter is back and better than ever. The Gomer Pyle outburst lives on... - -J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:16:25 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on HDCD, was Re: Andrea 100% JC Not to mention the stories, the songwriting, the players, the solos, the cover layout, the paintings..... :) Lama From: "Stephen Toogood" >I was always amazed how good Joni's HDCD's sound compared to other artist CD's from around the 60's and 70's. I think the booklets are better too, more photos!> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:19:54 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on HDCD, was Re: Andrea 100% JC And now I have to go purchase HDCD version! Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:21:03 -0700 From: "Kerry Berghoff" Subject: Nosy This is probably way too nosy of a topic, but I am curious how some of the folks on the discussion list know or have met Joni... KerryGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:38:47 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: joni's songbooks Yep me too. I have a mint condition copy of THOSL song book. I guess I'm just hoping that I'll be able to play 'Shades Of Scarlet...' on the piano some day. I saw the Mingus song book on eBay last night and the highest bid was rather low if I remember right and that one IS in altered tunings. Also followed the link to Barnes & Noble used section and they are selling a used Blue songbook for nearly $80! Steve NP: 'Ladies Of The Canyon' - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Stephen Toogood" ; "Joni List" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: Re: joni's songbooks > --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I > think there was, but I'm guessing that there > > aren't that many around and I > > think the chords are for standard tuning. > > I'm quite sure that the only album that was never > > available in songbook > > format was DED. > > No guesses for why not! > > Unfortunately most of the music books ARE in standard > tuning so I'm not even totally sure why I bother > getting them but still, I've just GOTTA GET 'EM ALL! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:53:31 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni and Led Zep.....and Chelsea Morning Welcome to the list, Juniper! It's great to see that Joni has an increasing number of younger fans! <> I read a Led Zeppelin Biography once that talked about Jimmy Page being sooooo in love with Joni. The book even revealed Jimmy Page's biggest fantasy of having Joni sitting on the foot of Page's bed, singing and playing guitar to him :) <> Here's a copy of a transcription I posted to the list several months back regarding Chelsea Morning. Joni spoke these words during a live performance at a small club during the late 60's: ""Well, that's one morning, sunshine, love, and rainbow song. And I have another. It was written much later, and in a different place. You see, a long time ago I purchased some stained-glass windows that were about to be demolished because they were wrecking the house for unwed mothers that they were in - the unwed mothers were without, ofcourse - and I rescued them for five dollars each. And took them back to a very peaceful place and set them up in my windows. And every morning when the sun came up, the rainbow came in. Then one day, I moved to New York City, which is a very different place - - very different for writing under, because it's noisy all the time. So I put my stained-glass windows up. And I covered out all of the sky which was about that much in one corner, above the church, a postage stamp piece of sky. And I wrote a very different morning, rainbow, sunshine, and love song - - noisy as New York City." Now there is conflicting info in Karen O'brien's bio which tells a different story of Joni and her friend making a mobile out of broken colored glass pieces and hanging the mobile in the window. If Joni's spoken words are not true word for word, at least the concept behind the song is. For she was an unwed mother too! In another song, "Morning Morgantown" she sings: "I'd like to buy you everything,...... A window full of colored rings.." So perhaps she rescued the stained-glass windows by giving them life inside of her songs! Mia - npimh: Joni ,"Songs to Aging Children Come" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:56:04 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Judee Sill NJC (long) That's quite a sad story. I am quite sure though that Joni produced 'Ladies Of The Canyon' herself like with most of her albums! Am I right or am I right? Steve NP: Blue Boy - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Zack" To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Judee Sill NJC (long) > I know nothing of Judee Sill nor have I ever heard her, but thanks to > this list and it's participants, my interest is indeed peaked. I > searched the web for information on her and found what I thought was an > interesting article. Some of you may agree! > > Best regards, > > Gary > > A singer/songwriter with deeply religious overtones and a penchant for > the occult, Judee Sill is one of rock's more interesting and > lesser-known stories. The daughter of old Hollywood money, Sill's father > died when she was just a child, and her brother died in a car crash soon > after, leading to a bleak outlook on life that she expressed in an arty, > disaffected attitude. She disliked her stepfather and condemned her > mother for remarrying; as a quiet form of vengeance, Sill set out to > travel America and live a rambling lifestyle. She had been interested in > playing music although was seemingly not serious about it until she > began her travels, playing small coffee houses and dives for fun. She > and her friends had always been into drugs for recreational and > exploratory use, but as Sill stayed out on the road she began using > heroin regularly, eventually developing a hundred-fifty-dollar-a-day > habit. It was rumored (partly by Sill herself, although never confirmed) > that she at one time had to prostitute herself in order to support her > addiction. > > In the late '60s Sill was busted for heroin possession and served three > months in prison, during which time she was able to kick her habit; when > she returned to the world at large, she focused solely on making music. > She returned to Los Angeles where, through her Hollywood connections, > she was introduced to David Geffen. Geffen was in the process of > creating Asylum Records, which was to focus exclusively on non-rock > material. Taken by Sill's abilities as a writer and performer, Geffen > immediately signed her to Asylum; her self-titled debut was also the > first official release for the new label. > > It was through Geffen that she met Graham Nash, who quickly became a > fan, and produced the first single for her album, "Jesus Was a Cross > Maker." The rest of Judee Sill was orchestrated and produced by Bob > Harris, Sill's ex-husband. Judee Sill was released in 1971 to immediate > acclaim. Lushly orchestrated, the album featured Sill's voice in > multiple overdubs, often in a four-part chorale or fugue. The album fit > in well with the light rock/folk-rock underpinnings of what came to be > known as the "Laurel Canyon sound" associated with other female > singer/songwriters such as Carole King and Joni Mitchell (Mitchell, also > signed to Asylum, was at work on Ladies of the Canyon at the time, which > was also produced by Bob Harris). A tour as the opening act for Nash and > David Crosby exposed her intimate songwriting and skillful guitar > playing to a larger audience, but her record failed to make much of an > impact, despite the somewhat heavy airplay of "Jesus Was a Cross Maker." > A self- professed perfectionist, one song could often take her a year to > write, and it wasn't until late 1972 that Sill returned to record and > release her second and last album, Heart Food. It too received > enthusiastic reviews but did poorly commercially. Sill took over the > chores of both orchestrating and arranging Heart Food, with the > production relying more heavily on multilayered strings and lush > expanse. Unable to draw a sizable crowd yet unwilling to play as a > support act, Sill's name and moderate fame both receded, and she > disappeared from view entirely. Rumors abound as to what happened next, > although it is definitely known that she returned to her heroin > addiction as well as becoming heavily involved with cocaine. Graham Nash > has said that he learned as early as 1974 that Sill had died of an > overdose, while other friends claim that she lived until 1979 or even > the early '80s before succumbing to drugs and passing away. ~ Alex > Stimmel, All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:05:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nosy In a message dated 7/26/2003 1:22:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kilauren@msn.com writes: > This is probably way too nosy of a topic, but I am curious how some of the > folks on the discussion list know or have met Joni... > Kerry, when I saw her in Atlanta in '98, I was hanging out with a group of JMDL'ers, and since we knew she had been staying at Ritz Carltons we went to the one in Atlanta and hung out in the lounge. There was most of her band, but no Joni. But then, lo & behold, here she comes. We had the waitress send over a bottle of champagne, and when Joni questioned her, the waitress pointed over to us and Joni motioned over to us to come & talk to her (or come & listen to her as the case may be). It was, to say the least, mind-blowing yet very relaxed all at the same time. Joni couldn't have been more gracious or kind. She even consented to let us enjoy a "Kodak Moment", my picture with Joni is attached for proof that it really did happen! Bob NP: Sparklehorse, "Comfort Me" [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Me & Joni.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:56:06 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Judee Sill NJC (long) I don't know if you have seen this yet. The url was posted here not long ago. http://www.webnoir.com/bob/music/ This guy is a FANatic. he has about 50 MP3s and bio on Judee Sill and even a video. Doug Gary Zack wrote: > I know nothing of Judee Sill nor have I ever heard her, but thanks to > this list and it's participants, my interest is indeed peaked. I > searched the web for information on her and found what I thought was an > interesting article. Some of you may agree! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:03:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: joni's songbooks the mingus songbook has the alternate tunings but... it doesn't have the chord figures! you know, the little drawings with fret number and finger positions. i don't have it but i remember seeing it once. i used to go to casa ricordi in buenos aires to memorize joni's tunings when i was a teenager. i couldn't very well copy them right there in front of the attendants -- all of them jazz musicians and VERY aware of what i was after! the joni songbooks were always displayed in the jazz section. so i tried to create words in my head, like DAD CROSS FAD (the cross for the sharp, wasn't i clevah?) and write the tunings down as soon as i left the store but i could remember only two or three tunings at most because my memory was ALWAYS terrible. of course, then i had to figure out the chords but that wasn't a big deal. well, anyway, when i saw the mingus book i noticed the chords were not there. they used to have all the books up to mingus, except STAS. i never saw that one. mingus was the last album in those years. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Stephen Toogood Enviado el: Sabado, 26 de Julio de 2003 02:39 p.m. Para: Joni List Asunto: Re: joni's songbooks I saw the Mingus song book on eBay last night and the highest bid was rather low if I remember right and that one IS in altered tunings. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:12:15 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Nosy Kerry asked: > This is probably way too nosy of a topic, but I am curious how some of the > folks on the discussion list know or have met Joni... When Joni started touring again in 1998 and 2000, quite a few people on the list met her after the shows. Another large group from the list met up with her at her art exhibit in Saskatoon. A group of about 8 of us were invited to meet her after the Painting with Words and Music taping in '98 in LA. In '99 a few of us met her during an exhibit of her paintings in Hollywood where she spent most of her time outside the back door smoking and chatting with people. The third time I met her was by chance in a restaurant with yet another JMDLer! It is really amazing that so many on the list (I'm guessing over 50 people) have gotten the chance to meet and talk with her in recent years. It says something about her accessibility and friendliness. Kakki, wishing she'd have some more painting exhibits in LA! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:23:22 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Remembrances (njc) Lama explained: > They put a "visual" in your head right after they put the word "probe" in you head. >That's innuendo. Do you get it? If not, would you like to? LOL! Even though I'm usually a lyrics-first person, with SD it's the music that always wraps me up. When I hear about what they are really saying it just kind of cracks me up. They really do have a way out of presenting the slightly tawdry stuff with humor and irony like two young boys with a bit of the devil in them. Kind of like Beavis and Butthead growing up to be great musical geniuses but never quite losing their "roots." Heh heh heh ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:44:45 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. Saving discs to real one, with the ability to save only those that one wants. Doing so took me back to the discussion about what tunes we would leave out, add on particular albums. Saving 'ftr', out with electricity. Doesn't fit there, in this mind. mack np: ftr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:12:33 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. Hi!, Mack, what you're doing! if I understand well, you're making a ".ram" copy of FTR without Electricity in it! Just for the pain of it? I think is surely funny making lists, even Box-sets of Joni. I'd even confess there are some SIQUOMB's songs I skip sometimes, but I can't for the life of me imagine FTR without Electricity. Doesn't fit? Another question? Where do you put it, so? Alarmed: Emiliano, from Galicia NP: Lorinda Lisitza (with Karen Mack & Michael Holland), Ray's Dad's Cadillac - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mack watson-bush" To: "joni" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: albums, their playlists, what's in, what's not. > Saving discs to real one, with the ability to save only those that one wants. > Doing so took me back to the discussion about what tunes we would leave out, > add on particular albums. Saving 'ftr', out with electricity. Doesn't fit > there, in this mind. > > mack > > np: ftr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 03:43:22 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Kings X? (NJC) Any Kings X fans on here? I've got a couple of their albums (Faith Hope Love and Out Of The Silent Planet) and love 'em both. However, I'm clueless as to which of their other CDs would be good'uns based on the two I already have and like. Any recommendations are therefore appreciated. - --Chris Marshall NP: It's Love - Kings X (stunning harmonies on this one!) Previously Playing: Crappy bloody dance music in a crappy bloody gay club I was unfortunate enough to be in. Full of the usual shallow self-obsessed people cruising for nothing more than a bit of action. Bollocks to personalities and all that. Bah. (Sorry, I'm feeling vitriolic at the moment...) chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:46:42 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Kings X? (NJC) >Any Kings X fans on here? I've got a couple of their albums >(Faith Hope Love and Out Of The Silent Planet) and love 'em >both. Hi Chris! I'm familiar only because I have a brother who has all their albums and a big fan. He's played me some of their stuff over the years and they are quite good. I can tell that they are heavily influenced by the Beatles. (I understand they are huge fans of the Beatles) I think too..that their unique sound sometimes is because of the Hamer twelve string bass they use. >However, I'm clueless as to which of their other CDs would >be good'uns based on the two I already have and like. Any >recommendations are therefore appreciated. Their second album "Gretchen Goes to Nebraska" many people say it is their "White Album"....I called my brother ..he said it is his favorite. Take care.... Bree >--Chris Marshall > >NP: It's Love - Kings X (stunning harmonies on this one!) > ) > >"If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" > Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" > Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. 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