From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #373 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 373 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: talking on MOA ["Stephen Toogood" ] young fans njc [tantra-apso ] Andrea NJC ["Stephen Toogood" ] Subject: Joni's songbooks [Jupydoo@aol.com] Re: Andrea ["Stephen Toogood" ] Even more Joni songbooks [Jupydoo@aol.com] Re: joni's songbooks [Catherine McKay ] RE: joni's songbooks ["Richard Flynn" ] Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC ["kerry" ] Re: Another new young Joni fan (and a Joni question) -- now with njc! [Mu] Re: hypocrites -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: joni's songbooks -- njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] justice dept. sick of awful radio music? -- njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] oh, yeah . . . one other birthday -- njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Judee Sill NJC (long) [Gary Zack ] Today in History: July 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: July 26 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] RE: Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:04:48 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: talking on MOA Yep it's on my CD! You must not have the HDCD version. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerchak@aol.com To: steve@hatstand.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: talking on MOA No way, you do not have it all, the whole "Gomer Pyle" thing is NOT on the MOA cd. I remember it very clearly from before I threw my vinyl out, the sin of it all. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:12:15 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: young fans njc do you think these so called young fans are just trying to insinuate that the rest of us are old? Are they trolls looking to start a fight? 44 going on 15 is not old..... still if the little tykes are lucky enough to live that long, they'll understand when they get there.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:23:11 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Andrea NJC Andrea I can't seem to email you at this address: Aerchak@aol.com. The emails keep getting returned to me!? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:37:04 -0400 From: Jupydoo@aol.com Subject: Subject: Joni's songbooks >Are joni's songbooks out of print? > >peace, >david I don't know if this is quite what you are lookign for, but I believe she has sheet music still in print... I bought some recently... try this link. The Joni Mitchell Anthology book is good, but some of the arrangements arne't true to Joni. Thank heavens... no one but Joni can play like that! http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=joni+mitchell&userid=3Y8EO335C5&cds2Pid=946 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:40:55 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Andrea Nope it's still not having it! Here's what I wrote: Andrea, Yes I think so. The only one I don't have on HDCD which is available on HDCD is Mingus and it sounds kind of quiet if you know what I mean. I was always amazed how good Joni's HDCD's sound compared to other artist CD's from around the 60's and 70's. I think the booklets are better too, more photos! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Aerchak@aol.com To: steve@hatstand.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Andrea NJC That's weird because that is my email address. try using lower case aerchak@aol.com. I am getting all my email. And obviously I am emailing you. Maybe it is just acting up today. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:50:59 -0400 From: Jupydoo@aol.com Subject: Even more Joni songbooks got to love Barnes and Noble. After sending my lst link, i discovered this as well. Includes some biography stuff, too, but also everything you could want as far as songbooks go: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/OopBooks/OopResults.asp?userid=3Y8EO335C5&keyword=joni+mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's songbooks --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I think there was, but I'm guessing that there > aren't that many around and I > think the chords are for standard tuning. > I'm quite sure that the only album that was never > available in songbook > format was DED. > No guesses for why not! Unfortunately most of the music books ARE in standard tuning so I'm not even totally sure why I bother getting them but still, I've just GOTTA GET 'EM ALL! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:52:40 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: joni's songbooks Well, you can get the melodies and basic changes & then go to the guitar databases at JMDL and figure out how to play them right. The FTR songbook is pretty accurate & I can't believe I no longer own it after many moves. Those guitar dbs are amazing! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:30 PM To: Stephen Toogood; Joni List Subject: Re: joni's songbooks --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I think there was, but I'm guessing that there > aren't that many around and I > think the chords are for standard tuning. > I'm quite sure that the only album that was never > available in songbook > format was DED. > No guesses for why not! Unfortunately most of the music books ARE in standard tuning so I'm not even totally sure why I bother getting them but still, I've just GOTTA GET 'EM ALL! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:15:45 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC I'm pre-empting the birthday fairy because it's already July 26th in New Zealand!!!!! Happy Birthday, Hell..... I hope all your birthday wishes come true!!!! "If I must do without I'll let the sparks fly out Across the wilderness From me to you..." Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:38:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Steely Dan now Sweet Boring James >You certainly can't argue with his gene pool, but I always am a bit jaded about celebrities kids, realizing that the way is fairly paved for them to begin with.< yes & no...i went to see sally taylor & was hugely disappointed...because of her dad (mostly) i was expecting some good songwriting...it was awful imo...she was adorable & had a nice voice but that is all...hopefully she'll evolve...of course if it weren't for her dad i wouldn't have gone, but if i'd heard her not knowing who her dad was maybe i wouldn't have felt so let down.. on the other hand i have known crosby loggins all his life & when he decided he wanted to pursue performing as a singer/songwriter i booked him on several gigs where i was playing (his dad was hands off to let him make his way which was good)...& he blew people away...having a famous dad has helped attract fans to see him but it also hinders...he admires his dad but does not want to be compared as he's got his own style (though like ben he looks & sounds a lot like dad so how can we not notice!)...& he knows that many come to see him based on his lineage which is frustrating to him as its a bit like being a novelty...however, he is playing & based on his talents, getting his own fans that like him for who he is & who don't care or even know much about his dad...after proving himself for a few years, he's opened a couple shows for his dad recently... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:44:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Steely Dan now Sweet Boring James In a message dated 7/25/2003 9:36:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > he admires his dad but does > not want to be compared as he's got his own style See also: Jakob Dylan ;~) And I agree with you, Kate...a lot of it depends on how much the parent pushes & also how much the kid trades on the "famous name". I suppose really it's no different than any kid going into his parent's established business whether it's a law practice, the neighborhood tavern, or the stage. Bob NP: Nada Surf, "Killian's Red" (hopefully somebody besides me is really loving this one) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:03:23 -0400 From: "Rache A" Subject: Re: joni's songbooks Catherine wrote: >but I'd really like a DJRD songbook - was there one? anyone know?< I don't own it but it's in the library system here, it better not get "lost" like their CAS songbook... It's worth buying if you can find it imo. The music for Paprika Plains (nearly twenty pages i think) was left as the piano part, instead of writing one line that in places suggests the piano, another line with the melody and the chord, and a third with just the melody. can't remember if it has guitar tunings like the new ones. Rachel _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:39:37 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Another new young Joni fan (and a Joni question) -- now with njc! Catherine writes: << Welcome to young people - we need someone to carry on after all us old farts (like me and Murphy) kick it! >> I'm not as old as you are, you old poop! And I am not almost 82, as Jimmy said, except in dog years. And -- by the way -- I happen to be working now with someone I worked with a year and a half ago who said the other day that I look younger and happier now than I did then. All of which goes to prove that plastic surgery is the best facelift. And chastity works miracles. --Bob, weaving a course of grace and havoc between the forceps and the stone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:41:41 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: hypocrites -- NJC About SUVs, Catherine writes: << Doesn't she drive one of those? >> Yeah. She probably drives at least a pack of them a day. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:45:13 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's songbooks -- njc Speaking of Joni song books, Ashara has been looking for "Blue" for as long as I have known her. Anyone who really wants to get hugged to death might consider giving her a copy. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:11:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: justice dept. sick of awful radio music? -- njc washingtonpost.com Justice Dept. Probes Clear Channel The Associated Press Friday, July 25, 2003; 6:34 PM SAN ANTONIO - The Justice Department is investigating Clear Channel, the nation's largest radio owner, amid complaints about consolidation and the use of coercive tactics by the company, officials said Friday. R. Hewitt Pate, assistant attorney general for antitrust, told a House subcommittee that there is an investigation into Clear Channel. Officials would not disclose any details about the nature of the probe. Pate said in a hearing Thursday that the Justice Department had interviewed people that Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., had referred to the agency after they complained of coercive tactics. San Antonio-based Clear Channel, which owns 1,200 radio stations, played down the investigation, saying in a statement that the department "has evaluated, on a routine basis, nearly every acquisition that Clear Channel has made and approved each one. "When you run a big company, engaging in complex transactions, inquiries of this sort become fairly routine. We are cooperating fully with all DOJ requests and we are confident the DOJ will find, as it has in the past, that our company is managed with the highest degree of integrity." Berman wrote the Justice Department and the Federal Communications Commission in 2002 complaining that consolidation in the entertainment and media industries was hurting recording artists, copyright holders, advertisers and consumers. He said earlier this year in a Senate hearing that after his letter went out he was inundated with complaints from independent broadcasters, concert promoters, venue owners, radio disc jockeys, musicians, bands' agents and managers, actor's representatives and recording industry executives. "Virtually all decried the evils of consolidation in the radio and concert industries," he said. He added that most complained about Clear Channel. Among the complaints were allegations that Clear Channel punished artists who didn't use the company's concert promotion arm by denying, or threatening to deny, radio airplay for their songs, he said. When Berman complained during the hearing Thursday that he hadn't heard back from the Justice Department about his complaints, Pate replied that the department had two ongoing investigations into Clear Channel. But he would not elaborate. Shares of Clear Channel fell 25 cents to close at $40.40 in trading Friday on the New York Stock Exchange. ) 2003 The Associated Press ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:32:20 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: oh, yeah . . . one other birthday -- njc The Birthday Fairy is probably flying off to Prague right now for a very special celebration -- Mick Jagger's birthday. The Rocker with a Walker turns 60 on the 26th. Charlie is already 60, and it's Keith's turn in December. Sigh. I can remember, long before Alison was even a gleam in a couple of hippies' eyes, when the Stones were forced by Ed Sullivan to sing "Let's Spend *Some Time* Together* in olden tymes. Here's a story about the event: Mick Jagger's 60th birthday bash a top-secret affair in Prague By Ondrej Hejma, Associated Press, 7/25/2003 11:23 PRAGUE, Czech Republic (AP) Rolling Stones fans hoping for a glimpse of Mick Jagger's 60th birthday bash in Prague this weekend can't get no satisfaction. The Stones frontman celebrates his birthday Saturday at a secret party in the Czech capital, where the Stones perform Sunday as part of their ''Licks'' world tour. The party venue remains a closely guarded secret. Local media have speculated Jagger will celebrate at the British Embassy in Prague's Thun Palace or at the Four Seasons Hotel. Even former President Vaclav Havel, an invited guest, does not know where the birthday bash will be. ''We will be told at the last minute,'' said Havel's aide, Martin Vidlak. ''This is a private party under full control of Mick Jagger.'' The band is scheduled to meet with Havel during its stay. Jagger is the second band member to turn 60, after drummer Charlie Watts. Guitarist Keith Richards turns 60 in December. The Rolling Stones are making their fourth appearance in Prague in 13 years. The band's ''Steel Wheels'' tour came to Prague shortly after Havel completed his anti-communist Velvet Revolution in 1989. ''The tanks are rolling out, the Stones are rolling in,'' the posters said at the time, hinting at the end of Russian occupation of what was then Czechoslovakia. Sunday's concert is at Letna Park on a hill overlooking the central part of the city. The band, which was arriving Friday from Hamburg, Germany, has donated part of its light system to illuminate the city's landmark Prague Castle. Although the party venue remains secret, word of Havel's birthday present to Jagger has been leaked to the press: a 2-foot-high crystal vase by Havel's favorite artist, Borek Sipek. The Blesk newspaper, which published a photo of the vase, said it was intended to embody Jagger's ''far-flung image and perhaps even his soul, torn to pieces.'' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:42:08 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Judee Sill NJC (long) I know nothing of Judee Sill nor have I ever heard her, but thanks to this list and it's participants, my interest is indeed peaked. I searched the web for information on her and found what I thought was an interesting article. Some of you may agree! Best regards, Gary A singer/songwriter with deeply religious overtones and a penchant for the occult, Judee Sill is one of rock's more interesting and lesser-known stories. The daughter of old Hollywood money, Sill's father died when she was just a child, and her brother died in a car crash soon after, leading to a bleak outlook on life that she expressed in an arty, disaffected attitude. She disliked her stepfather and condemned her mother for remarrying; as a quiet form of vengeance, Sill set out to travel America and live a rambling lifestyle. She had been interested in playing music although was seemingly not serious about it until she began her travels, playing small coffee houses and dives for fun. She and her friends had always been into drugs for recreational and exploratory use, but as Sill stayed out on the road she began using heroin regularly, eventually developing a hundred-fifty-dollar-a-day habit. It was rumored (partly by Sill herself, although never confirmed) that she at one time had to prostitute herself in order to support her addiction. In the late '60s Sill was busted for heroin possession and served three months in prison, during which time she was able to kick her habit; when she returned to the world at large, she focused solely on making music. She returned to Los Angeles where, through her Hollywood connections, she was introduced to David Geffen. Geffen was in the process of creating Asylum Records, which was to focus exclusively on non-rock material. Taken by Sill's abilities as a writer and performer, Geffen immediately signed her to Asylum; her self-titled debut was also the first official release for the new label. It was through Geffen that she met Graham Nash, who quickly became a fan, and produced the first single for her album, "Jesus Was a Cross Maker." The rest of Judee Sill was orchestrated and produced by Bob Harris, Sill's ex-husband. Judee Sill was released in 1971 to immediate acclaim. Lushly orchestrated, the album featured Sill's voice in multiple overdubs, often in a four-part chorale or fugue. The album fit in well with the light rock/folk-rock underpinnings of what came to be known as the "Laurel Canyon sound" associated with other female singer/songwriters such as Carole King and Joni Mitchell (Mitchell, also signed to Asylum, was at work on Ladies of the Canyon at the time, which was also produced by Bob Harris). A tour as the opening act for Nash and David Crosby exposed her intimate songwriting and skillful guitar playing to a larger audience, but her record failed to make much of an impact, despite the somewhat heavy airplay of "Jesus Was a Cross Maker." A self- professed perfectionist, one song could often take her a year to write, and it wasn't until late 1972 that Sill returned to record and release her second and last album, Heart Food. It too received enthusiastic reviews but did poorly commercially. Sill took over the chores of both orchestrating and arranging Heart Food, with the production relying more heavily on multilayered strings and lush expanse. Unable to draw a sizable crowd yet unwilling to play as a support act, Sill's name and moderate fame both receded, and she disappeared from view entirely. Rumors abound as to what happened next, although it is definitely known that she returned to her heroin addiction as well as becoming heavily involved with cocaine. Graham Nash has said that he learned as early as 1974 that Sill had died of an overdose, while other friends claim that she lived until 1979 or even the early '80s before succumbing to drugs and passing away. ~ Alex Stimmel, All Music Guide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:04:20 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: July 26 1966: Chuck and Joni Mitchell arrived in Saskatoon to visit Joni's parents. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=639 1970: Joni performed at the Mariposa Folk Festival 2001: Joni attended an Anne Leibovitz photo shoot in New York City with many other stars. The published photo graces the cover of the following November's issue of Vanity Fair and includes Jewel, Beyonce Knowles, Beck, David Bowie, Stevie Wonder, Maxwell, Emmylou Harris, Gwen Stefani, Jay-Z, Missy 'Misdemeanor' Elliot, Chris Cornell, and Joni. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=688 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:04:20 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 26 On July 26 the following articles were published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Finally Comes Across" - Rolling Stone (Advertisement, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=293 1979: "The Rolling Stone Interview" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=300 1979: "The Rolling Stone Interview (Part 2)" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=946 1983: "Joni Mitchell Concert review" - Newsday (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=548 1983: "Joni Mitchell Returns" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=952 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 03:42:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Yes....it's ANOTHER LEO birthday....July 26!!! NJC when the birthday fairy is preempted the birthday fairy is prevented. so i'll greet you very personally, dearest hell! happy birthday!!!! wally ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #373 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)