From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #371 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 371 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: who's the dude.... Now Laura Again NJC ["kakki" ] Re: Remembrances ["kakki" ] Re: NJC (Neil Young at the Hard Rock) [tantra-apso ] Re: Remembrances [Catherine McKay ] Re: send in the clowns. fag content. njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Re: Joni & Steely Dan (little jc) njc [Jerry Notaro ] looking for directions to Meadowlands (giants stadium) NJC [Aerchak@aol] NJC Re: looking for directions to Meadowlands (giants stadium) NJC [SCJo] Re: "Is That All There Is?" njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Susan G. you have to go back! NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: So it comes in threes, right? (NJC) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Susan G. you have to go back! NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: who's the dude.... Now Laura Again NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Counting Crows BYT ["Larry D." ] Re: Counting Crows BYT [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Remembrances ["kakki" ] Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching [Murphycopy@aol.com] sjc [Burke Brewer ] Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching ["Larry D." ] Re: sjc [Chris Marshall ] Re: sjc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Steely Dan now Sweet Boring James ["kerry" ] Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching [Catherine McKay ] Today's Library Links: July 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:09:33 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: who's the dude.... Now Laura Again NJC Susan wrote: > Then there was Laura . Three of them - Gonna Take a Miracle/with Labelle, >Nested and The First Songs - all on vinyl. And two of them for 3 dollars and one >for 4 dollars. But when I went to pay the cashier he said, just give me 8 - woo hoo >what a deal! Wow!! Some of her rarest on vinyl for mere pennies. There are grown men silently weeping on this list right now. Miracle indeed - you just hit the fecking mother lode. I bet they even sound better on the old vinyl! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:19:56 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Remembrances These are great. I absolutely remember where I was on each first listen of every Joni album. Lori's Arizona listening story reminded me that I first heard FTR and C&S there, too, while in college. The FTR story is too personal but C&S was pretty funny. I was sprawled on the floor of my tiny dorm room (no space for an easel) trying to complete an oil painting on a 4 x 5 foot canvas. Needless to say there were spots of paint everywhere on me and otherwise. Suddenly I heard this announcement of Joni's latest album on the radio (good old KDKB FM) and then they started playing Help Me. I didn't even wait for the song to finish, promptly threw down my paint brush and walked, paint-covered, two miles in 118 degree heat to the record store to buy C&S. Came back so high I painted another 2 canvases that day! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:21:21 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: Re: NJC (Neil Young at the Hard Rock) PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >Hi, to all > I guess it's not usual to post on this list when you're going away > of ocusre it is. people do it all the time. enjoy your trip. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: who's the dude.... Now Laura Again NJC Cool Kakki, I knew that Nested wasnt so rare and may be the "weakest" for lack of a better term than the other two. But I knew that "Gonna tak a Miracle" and "The First Songs" were probably pretty rare. Maybe I should go back and see what I can get to sell on Ebay - LOL! Susan passes tissues around to all the weepy guys and snickers - LOL! Thanks ... and yes I still love my vinyl Peace, Susan NP: Lucinda Williams/ Right In Time kakki wrote: Wow!! Some of her rarest on vinyl for mere pennies. There are grown men silently weeping on this list right now. Miracle indeed - you just hit the fecking mother lode. I bet they even sound better on the old vinyl! Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:31:58 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NJC (Neil Young at the Hard Rock) I was at the show here in LA last night. I think seeing it at the Hard Rock will be a fantastic experience for you, Kenny! The music is superb and Neil and Crazy Horse were so tight. Lucinda Williams was awesome, too. Have a great trip! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Remembrances --- kakki wrote: I > didn't even wait for the song to finish, promptly > threw down my paint brush > and walked, paint-covered, two miles in 118 degree > heat to the record store > to buy C&S. Came back so high I painted another 2 > canvases that day! ;-) Now that's a fan! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:14:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: send in the clowns. fag content. njc My kind of content! Babs is great, but Judy's version is better, as is Sarah Vaughn's. Though neither of them can lay claim to having an extra verse written specifically for them they way that Babs did. One good sign of her taste is that she is a huge fan of Sondheim's, and they are good friends. Jerry mack watson-bush wrote: >bought streisand the essential yesterday. her version of send in the clowns >can't compare to judy's. didn't think babs could be beaten, except by >garland. did joan do that tune? > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:19:51 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: who's the dude. NJC Aerchak@aol.com wrote: >I personally liked the interview that someone sent in with Adam Duritz and I >shared that with some younger folks. That seems much more germane than how >much we have discussed the CCs version of BYT. > Maybe, then then again it did get someone to post that interview, didn't it? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:23:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni & Steely Dan (little jc) njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > And don't forget Fagen's WONDERFUL solo record "The Nightfly"! > >If you don't have it already, it'll fill your need for great new >Dan...I'm assuming that you do though. > > The first cd I bought. A must have. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:26:35 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: who's the dude with the pointy hat. NJC In a message dated 7/24/2003 12:48:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy writes: > The pope died? Gee, I remember when shit like that was on > the news! Sad, innit? Remember way back when (late 70's?) when the Pope died, and they convened all the Cardinals and Padres and other baseball teams and appointed a new Pope, and then THAT dude assumed room temp in about a month or something and they all had to stop banging altar boys long enough to re-convene and do the whole schmeer again? That was when they appointed the Pope that's still out there Poping, but he ain't looking so good these days. Maybe they need to make a young guy Pope instead of all these old dudes. Bob NP: James Brown, "Pope Has Got A Brand New Bag" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:39:08 -0400 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: steely dan NJC hi all. i was listening to "two against nature" the other day, enjoying it more than i remembered the first time around, especially the dead-on NYC descriptions/atmosphere and in particular, this one nasty, perfect bit of writing: (from "cousin dupree") "one night we're playin' gin by a cracklin' fire and i figured i'd make my play i said babe with my boyish charm and good looks how can you stand it for one more day she said maybe its the skeevy look in your eyes or that your mind has turned to applesauce the dreary architecture of your soul i said--but what is it exactly turns you off?" maybe it's funnier in the context of the music. but anyway, they've got a real gift for the sleaze and the ick, huh? i like that in a band. best, emily in chicago who spends much of each day playing "shake sugaree" by taj majal for my daughter--a delight for both of us! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:45:46 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: looking for directions to Meadowlands (giants stadium) NJC Going to see Springsteen tonight. Unsure about how to get to Meadowlands (Giants stadium). Can get to North Jersey fine. Please assist. Andrea in saratoga springs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:50:59 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: looking for directions to Meadowlands (giants stadium) NJC Just take a right at the light, Keep going straight until night, And then Andrea...you're on your own. ;~) Bob NP: Strokes Live PS: Or go to google.com, type in "Meadowlands" and I'm sure you'll find a website with some directions. Enjoy da Boss! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:18:04 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: "Is That All There Is?" njc I heard Peggy Lee's version of this again the other day, on Desert Island Discs, and I never cease to be impressed by her wry langour on both the spoken and sung passages. Classy, classy, classy. However, the version I wanted to mention is a far more obscure one, a cult legend in the UK by someone called Christina. It's basically a pitch black punk version, played at twice the tempo of the original, and though I don't remember it that well, a few bits have stuck in my memory: When she's talking about her boyfriend, it goes something like "we'd go for long walks by hte river and he'd beat me black and blue -and I LOVED it!" And in the last verse, she sneers "I know what you're thinking: 'if that's how she feels, why doesn't she just slash her wrists and shut up?' " It's a memorable take on a classic song, and it was deleted within days of release - presumably for its subversive and bleak tone - and will be fondly remembered by listeners to Annie Nightingale's Sunday night programme on Radio 1, as she used to say it was her favourite record ever, and was about the only DJ who played it. Does anyone else remember this version, and is it available anywhere?? Azeem in London NP: England v South Africa. Not going too well - wha do you reckon, Ron? SA definitely in the driving seat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Susan G. you have to go back! NJC >Susan Guzzi wrote: I came upon yet another bin of albums in the back ... here they had several Wendy Waldman, Lani Hall... OK, Susan, so you HAVE to go back and get me the Wendy Waldman!!!!! (OH damn!! I don't have a record player anymore...) And I hadn't heard Lani Hall's name in a long long time. Wasn't she with the Brazil 66 for a while? And (am I hallucinating?) didn't she do an amazing version of Fool on the Hill? OK, and does anyone remember Claire, oh what was her last name? She was British. One of her songs started, "Feeding pigeons in the park, Smiling at cameras, oh what a lark, Then you stepped in and stole the show..." and then there was Ronne Blakely's song Gabriel, plus Megan McDonough's My Sister Dolores (sorry Guzz...) and who did The Ring That Turned My Finger Green? Is there anyone left alive who remembers WCAS? (the best radio station of all time, based in, where else, Cambridge) Ah, memory lane... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: RE: So it comes in threes, right? (NJC) I'm cowering right along with you, Chris. (and I hope the third thing never happens for either of us.) I have one sister who threw out her back and the other who is sporting a black eye after stepping on a hoe, cartoon style... knocking on wood... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:41:35 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Susan G. you have to go back! NJC Susan Guzzi wrote: <> and Anne Sandstrom replied: <> and here's the perfect opportunity to admit my most ridiculous ever lyrical malapropism: From Elton John's "Island Girl": "He want to take you from the racket boss He want to save you but the cause is lost Island Girl, what you want with Wendy Waldman's world?" Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: got the WW (njc) OK, so I just looked on eBay and lo and behold there were the 2 Wendy Waldman albums I've wanted all these years. Now I just have to find someone with a turntable to tape them (and then transcribe that to CD...) Thanks Susan... lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:26:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Susan G. you have to go back! NJC In a message dated 7/24/2003 8:40:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > Wasn't she with the Brazil 66 for a > while? And (am I hallucinating?) didn't she do an > amazing version of Fool on the Hill? Yes & yes. She was Mrs. Herb Alpert too. And two great Joni covers as well..."Sweet Bird" & "Banquet", plus I'm sure she's on Brasil 66's great latin-flavored take on "Chelsea Morning". Bob NP: Fountains Of Wayne, "Bought For A Song" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:36:04 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Susan G. you have to go back! NJC Anne writes: << Is there anyone left alive who remembers WCAS? (the best radio station of all time, based in, where else, Cambridge) >> YES!!! And I am sure Chuck remembers it, too. (I think we talked about it.) It's where I heard cuts from FTR for the first time. I loved that station for years. Don't it always . . . XO, Anne! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:52:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: who's the dude with the pointy hat. NJC Muller writes: << Remember way back when (late 70's?) when the Pope died, and they convened all the Cardinals and Padres and other baseball teams and appointed a new Pope, and then THAT dude assumed room temp in about a month >> There is a theory that JP the First was murdered! << and they all had to stop banging altar boys long enough to re-convene and do the whole schmeer again? >> Where did you hear that they stopped? I think that is misinformation. If they stopped, it was only recently. (NOTE: It was announced this week that Boston's former Cardinal Law will face no criminal charges. THAT is criminal, in my opinion.) << Maybe they need to make a young guy Pope instead of all these old dudes. >> They did make a "young" guy pope. JP II was relatively young when they first poped him a couple of decades ago. I guess the stress of being on the wrong side of gay rights finally got to him and made him old beyond his 80+ years. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:53:54 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: So it comes in threes, right? (NJC) Anne writes: << I have one sister who threw out her back and the other who is sporting a black eye after stepping on a hoe >> I hope the ho' wasn't your third sister! XO, mean it! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:54:13 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: steely dan NJC In a message dated 7/24/2003 8:39:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ekg200@nyu.edu writes: > maybe it's funnier in the context of the music. Actually Emily, I found it funnier looking at it on the page! but anyway, > they've got a real gift for the sleaze and the ick, huh? No doubt...nobody sleazes as good as Donald & Walter. What's so cool about most of their sleaze is that so much of it makes you draw your own sleazy conclusions, like "Everyone's Gone To The Movies", or their subtle song in praise of the condom ("Ain't never gonna do it without the fez on") or perhaps one of the sleaziest lyrics ever, from "I Got The News": Spanish kissin' - see it glisten Then again, what else would you expect from a band named after a steam-powered dildo? ;~) Bob NP: The Style Council, "My Ever-Changing Moods" (one of my fave 'feel good' songs) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Remembrances >personal but C&S was pretty funny. I was sprawled on the floor of my tiny >dorm room (no space for an easel) trying to complete an oil painting on a 4 >x 5 foot canvas. Needless to say there were spots of paint everywhere on >me >and otherwise. Suddenly I heard this announcement of Joni's latest album >on >the radio (good old KDKB FM) and then they started playing Help Me. I >didn't even wait for the song to finish, promptly threw down my paint brush >and walked, paint-covered, two miles in 118 degree heat to the record store >to buy C&S. Came back so high I painted another 2 canvases that day! ;-) > >Kakki Great story ! I'm sure Joni would love to hear some of these. Maybe you already shared this one with her? :-) Bree NP: covers..43.... (thanks..bob) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:03:41 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: who's the dude.... Now Laura Again NJC Hi Guz and all! >I am having a Laura Nyro week! >Then there was Laura . Three of them - Gonna Take a Miracle/with >Labelle, Nested and The First Songs - all on vinyl. And two of them for 3 >dollars and one for 4 dollars. Oh....I'm hooked now on Laura...I knew it would happen. I'm going to get everything! But when I went to pay the cashier he said, just give me 8 - woo hoo what a deal! All your charm and sway! Teach me ..teach me tonight......lol! >Anyway I play alot of vinyl so this was great - also plan to create tapes of each. I need more Laura ... I know we just had this discussion on Laura and Joni, but what a unique and undefined musical style. I >miss her, wonder what she would be up to now. Yeah..I was staring at her picture..trying to get behind the eyes. See you soon! Bree >Peace, >Susan > >NP: Laura Nyro/Lazy Susan ... HEY!!! > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: >PS. Picked up Laura Nyro's greatest hits today. First listen in the car >with my sister.......she more familiar than I....very impressed. > >Bree >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:17:21 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Hi Ya'll SM..I can't help it... I'm very possesive of Joni. She has given me so much....but I can't get enough. SHe is like my greatest lover in a way .....I never tire.....I hate her love her sometimes....joy...happiness...sorrow...insatiable cravings...... Urge For going to the Fest? Bree >Been busy but have been cruising through the remarks - hope everyone is >getting a life soon - Joni a hypocrit and therefore not disingenuous - we >on >the other hand sometimes sound like foolish scorned lovers - >behave!! >S. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT Two cents worth: Counting Crows' BYT leaves me cold. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's losing the rhyme with the lyric change to "a big yellow taxi took my girl away". Rather reminds me of Sinatra singing "flying too high with some GAL in the sky" and losing the internal rhyme in "I Get A Kick Out of You". I'm a singer and I do at least my fair share of covers (and yes, in my cover of "Carey" I substitute my ukulele for JM's grand piano), but somehow I've always felt that if you have to change song lyrics to suit your gender/sexual preference, maybe you shouldn't do the song. Anyway, I do like Vanessa Carlton's "oooh-bop-bops" ... Peace, y'all. Larry D www.larry-d.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:18:27 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT In a message dated 7/24/2003 1:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, ukulelelarry@yahoo.com writes: > I'm a > singer and I do at least my fair share of covers (and > yes, in my cover of "Carey" I substitute my ukulele > for JM's grand piano), Hey Larry, I'd love to hear that version of Joni playing Carey on a grand piano...everytime I've heard it she's using that dulcimer-thingy. ;~) And speaking of which, I've got your CD and your Carey cover. Great stuff & thanks for doing it. Bob NP: The Subdudes, "Late At Night" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:35:03 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching In a message dated 7/24/2003 1:05:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, ukulelelarry@yahoo.com writes: > but somehow I've always felt > that if you have to change song lyrics to suit your > gender/sexual preference, maybe you shouldn't do the > song. I'll have to listen to it again, but I always heard him sing "sway" instead of "slam", to set up the rhyme about the BYT taking his girl "away". I thought it was a pretty clever invention. Besides that, doesn't it make more sense that a girl would call for a taxi to make her exit than a guy? Yes I know this is an extremely sexist remark, but typically that would be the case. But in support of your comment, there are probably a few Joni songs that shouldn't be re-genderized. "Night Ride Home" is one that seems to adapt easily to either gender, and has been recorded multiple times by men & women. "I love the man beside me" easily switches to "I love the girl beside me" or "I love you here beside me" to make it genderless, and of course a man could sing it as is, just like Richard Isen sings "Willy" as a direct man-to-man love song and of course it works beautifully. I think the worst switch was on Willie Nelson's "Stardust" LP, the same one I referenced a day or so ago. The lyric to "Someone To Watch Over Me" has the clever couplet: "Although he may not be the man some Girls think of as handsome" And Willie sings: "Although she may not be the girl some men think of as pretty" Which of course doesn't work at all. Ironically, my second-fave song on the LP, "Moonlight In Vermont" is unique in that it doesn't contain ANY rhymes! Bob NP: The Subdudes, "Save Me" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:56:51 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Remembrances Bree wrote: > I'm sure Joni would love to hear some of these. Maybe you > already shared this one with her? :-) That's a thought for a future project. Maybe we'd be doing the "pod people" thing lol but with all the good writers around here, I think she might enjoy it. I did not share this with her. When I've been in the presence of Joni I've rarely talked and have just listened ;-) I did tell her FTR was my favorite album and that it took me 20 years to get DJRD. She said something to the effect that she wasn't quite sure what she was doing on DJRD and some of her other music, either, and sometimes it takes her awhile to figure it out, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:01:21 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching Muller writes: > Besides that, doesn't it make more sense that a girl would call for a taxi to make her exit than a guy? Yes I know this is an extremely sexist remark, but typically that would be the case. I don't think it's sexist, at least not "extremely" so. > But in support of your comment, there are probably a few > Joni songs that shouldn't be re-genderized. Les Ross's 2001 Jonifest version of Magdalene Laundries worked flawlessly. Between him working in the laundry and Ashara the mill worker, we've got some pretty hardworking festers! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:01:32 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching Muller writes: > Besides that, doesn't it make more sense that a girl would call for a taxi to make her exit than a guy? Yes I know this is an extremely sexist remark, but typically that would be the case. I don't think it's sexist, at least not "extremely" so. > But in support of your comment, there are probably a few > Joni songs that shouldn't be re-genderized. Les Ross's 2001 Jonifest version of Magdalene Laundries worked flawlessly. Between him working in the laundry and Ashara the mill worker, we've got some pretty hardworking festers! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Burke Brewer Subject: sjc Hey all. I'm new to JMDL. I'm 18...which may be a shock to most. I absolutely adore Joni. My one comment this time around is to Jim who felt that happy people couldn't listen to sad songs, or Joni songs for that matter. I feel that her songs can touch you no matter what mood you're in. I agree that I love to listen to A Case of You and Blue when I feel down, but her other songs, to me, are purely inspirational. I would hate to think I couldn't listen to her simply bc I was happy. Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching Does he really say "sway"? If so, then I'll have to take a Q-tip to my ears and say (the immortal words of Emily Littella), "Oh, that's different ... never mind!" Yes, I am familiar with Willy's "Someone to Watch" and it's always bugged me, too. Oddly, I've sung "Moonlight in Vermont" for many years, and it never occurred to me it had no rhymes! - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/24/2003 1:05:11 PM Eastern > Standard Time, ukulelelarry@yahoo.com writes: > > > but somehow I've always felt > > that if you have to change song lyrics to suit > your > > gender/sexual preference, maybe you shouldn't do > the > > song. > > I'll have to listen to it again, but I always heard > him sing "sway" > instead of "slam", to set up the rhyme about the BYT > taking his > girl "away". I thought it was a pretty clever > invention. > > I think the worst switch was on Willie Nelson's > "Stardust" LP, the > same one I referenced a day or so ago. The lyric to > "Someone To > Watch Over Me" has the clever couplet: > > "Although he may not be the man some > Girls think of as handsome" > > And Willie sings: > > "Although she may not be the girl some > men think of as pretty" > > Which of course doesn't work at all. Ironically, my > second-fave > song on the LP, "Moonlight In Vermont" is unique in > that it > doesn't contain ANY rhymes! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:18:21 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: sjc In a message dated 7/24/2003 5:47:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, burke718@yahoo.com writes: > Hey all. I'm new to JMDL. I'm 18...which may be a shock to most. No Burke, you look much older in person :~) Just kidding, and welcome to the JMDL. It's wonderful when someone at any age adores Joni. There's even a 13 yr. old girl that will be attending Jonifest in 2 weeks, and Bob Murphy is almost 82, and he loves Joni too!!! > My one comment this time around is to Jim who felt that happy people couldn't listen to sad songs, or Joni songs for that matter.< I missed that comment, but I agree that there are MANY Joni songs (sad or not) that I listen to all the time, and I'm a VERY Happy person. We look forward to seeing more posts from you. older than dirt, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:15:57 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: who's the dude.... Now Laura Again NJC "Susan Guzzi" wrote: > NP: Laura Nyro/Lazy Susan ... HEY!!! Oh yes this song is spectacular, one of my Laura faves. If you follow the story you will understand why she makes that very off-key sound on the piano right at the end. So Bitter-sweet. I love it! 'Buy And Sell' and 'He's A Runner' I also especially like from 'The First Songs'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:25:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching In a message dated 7/24/2003 5:13:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ukulelelarry@yahoo.com writes: > Does he really say "sway"? If so, then I'll have to > take a Q-tip to my ears and say (the immortal words of > Emily Littella), "Oh, that's different ... never > mind!" Like I say Larry, I could be wrong...maybe that's what I wanted to hear. > > Oddly, I've sung "Moonlight in Vermont" for many > years, and it never occurred to me it had no rhymes! > The melody is just so darn pretty that you never notice it. Bob NP: Ray Charles, "Georgia On My Mind" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:34:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: sjc In a message dated 7/24/2003 5:47:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, burke718@yahoo.com writes: > My one comment this time around is to Jim who felt that happy people > couldn't listen to sad songs, or Joni songs for that matter. Hi, and welcome to the list, and thanks for the intro. I think Jim was being mostly tongue-in-cheek with his comments, but I'll let him confirm that for himself. After you're around a bit you'll get a better feel for the many various folks here and their respective writing styles. Anyway, it's cool that you're picking up on Joni at 18. That's pretty much what I did, only when I was 18 it was 1975! I was given a little record album called "Hejira" and was knocked over. How did you get turned on to her? NP: Carole King/James Taylor, "You've Got A Friend" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:57:26 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching I can't find it, but Duritz says it's "sway / away." Audio & video of BYT is on the Counting Crows site: http://www.countingcrows.com/audiovideo/bytindex.html - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:26 PM To: ukulelelarry@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: NJC Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching In a message dated 7/24/2003 5:13:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ukulelelarry@yahoo.com writes: > Does he really say "sway"? If so, then I'll have to > take a Q-tip to my ears and say (the immortal words of > Emily Littella), "Oh, that's different ... never > mind!" Like I say Larry, I could be wrong...maybe that's what I wanted to hear. > > Oddly, I've sung "Moonlight in Vermont" for many > years, and it never occurred to me it had no rhymes! > The melody is just so darn pretty that you never notice it. Bob NP: Ray Charles, "Georgia On My Mind" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:07:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: FW: [eastmountainsouth] dates NJC 07/24/03 :: Arlington, VA @ IOTA 07/26/03 :: Atlanta, GA @ Red Light Cafe 07/27/03 :: Nashville, TN @ 3rd and Lindsley 07/27/03 :: Nashville, TN @ Tower Records 07/28/03 :: Cincinnati, OH @ 20th Century Theater 07/29/03 :: Indianapolis, IN @ Birdy's 07/30/03 :: Louisville, KY @ Uncle Pleasants 07/31/03 :: Chicago, IL @ Schubas 08/02/03 :: Lawrence, KS @ The Bottleneck 08/03/03 :: Omaha, NE @ Music Box 08/05/03 :: Minneapolis, MN @ Fine Line Music Cafe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 01:25:57 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: sjc On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 10:11 PM, Burke Brewer wrote: > Hey all. I'm new to JMDL. I'm 18...which may be a shock to most. It's who you are on the inside that counts, not what you are on the outside or how well preserved you are on the outside! I know one or two people at the younger end of the JMDL age spectrum, and the inner person belies the outer age. The common thread with much of Joni's material seems to be an *inner* appreciation of what she's saying or, more to the point, feeling, and that says a lot. That said... at 18 I wouldn't have "got" Joni. Took a while longer for me. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:40:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: sjc Burke writes: << Hey all. I'm new to JMDL. I'm 18...which may be a shock to most. >> We're a crusty bunch, Burke. We've seen it all and don't shock very easily! Welcome! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:00:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching In a message dated 7/24/2003 6:57:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > I can't find it, but Duritz says it's "sway / away." Alright Larry, start getting jiggy with them Q-tips! LOL! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:06:26 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Steely Dan now Sweet Boring James I can never figure out why I still love James because I don't like "sameness" in artists either. There's just something nostalgic and comforting about him and I do love October Road. Have you heard the new Ben Taylor CD? It's much better than I expected it to be. His music is not a far cry from his dad's, but he's still got a style of his own. He does a great cover of "Time of the Season." Kerry - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Re: NJC Re: Steely Dan now Sweet Boring James > In a message dated 7/23/2003 6:46:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > > > it doesn't bother > > me that he's been writing slightly sad and reflective songs for 30 years. > > > Doesn't bother me either, but there's no point in getting them with that kind > of sameness to them. I passed on October Road, and I'll pass on the next one > as well I'm sure. Not a slam on JT, he's great and I've bought many of his > releases. But I'm much more excited about younger artists who have something to > say and/or prove. > > Bob > > NP: Pink Floyd, "Echoes" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:11:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sjc --- Burke Brewer wrote: > Hey all. I'm new to JMDL. I'm 18...which may be a > shock to most. I absolutely adore Joni. My one > comment this time around is to Jim who felt that > happy people couldn't listen to sad songs, or Joni > songs for that matter. I feel that her songs can > touch you no matter what mood you're in. I agree > that I love to listen to A Case of You and Blue when > I feel down, but her other songs, to me, are purely > inspirational. I would hate to think I couldn't > listen to her simply bc I was happy. Welcome to the list, Burke. It's good to have some young'uns aboard. And everyone has the right to be happy! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Counting Crows BYT + gender switching --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I'll have to listen to it again, but I always heard > him sing "sway" > instead of "slam", to set up the rhyme about the BYT > taking his > girl "away". I thought it was a pretty clever > invention. > > Besides that, doesn't it make more sense that a girl > would call > for a taxi to make her exit than a guy? Yes I know > this is an > extremely sexist remark, but typically that would be > the case. I always thought the BYT was a police car and not an actual taxi. Our cop cars used to be yellow until they realized the yellow paint contained arsenic or something (then they went with white - lead?) I never thought the guy was leaving because he wanted to - I thought he was being arrested. And how do you *hear* a screen door sway? Since when does swaying make a sound? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: steely dan NJC --- Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > they've got a real gift for the sleaze and the ick, > huh? They definitely do. Most of the time I have no idea what they're talking about, but I can still tell it's sleazy and icky just the same. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 02:37:29 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 25 On July 25 the following article was published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Sings Songs of City in Central Park" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=804 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #371 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)