From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #354 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 354 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on Laura excerpts ["kakki" ] joni, laura, rickie ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG ["o" ] Re: Joni on Laura excerpts [AzeemAK@aol.com] me on the radio NJC [Alison E ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] me on the radio NJC i forgot! [Alison E ] Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG [Murphycopy@aol.] Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: me on the radio NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Laura Nyro Bio by Michele Kort [Bob Shemkovitz ] Nickel Creek (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Laura and Dylan - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: Joni on Laura excerpts ["Heather" ] RE: Joni on Laura excerpts ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG [Murphycopy@aol.] Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Laura In Concert (njc) [Gary Zack ] RE: Laura In Concert (njc) ["Heather" ] Ellen McIlwaine - njc ["Heather" ] Re: Laura In Concert (njc) [Gary Zack ] Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Steely Dan on DVD-Audio, njc ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today in History: July 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 00:12:10 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni on Laura excerpts Thanks for excerpting the Joni/Laura detail, Heather. Some great and interesting quotes. I'm not sure I agree with all the takes but I sort of understand where they are coming from. I think it's hard to pin down why Laura did nor did not accomplish more or took the roads she did. I recall she had a lot of ups and downs (emotionally and with drug addiction) and spent the past several years before her passing battling cancer (but kept that battle fairly private). Not meaning to bring up private gossip on her but I think the professional critics who publicly analyze her career should take these factors into consideration. I feel that whatever she accomplished was more than enough and am glad for everything she brought to the world. Her album "Smile" was a disappointment to many and I recall even people on the list starting with that one and being turned off. It may not live up to some of the other masterpieces but I love it and it still surpasses work of some of her contemporaries. I have the sense that Joni really does revere Laura - how could she not? I also wonder if perhaps Joni's blond, ethereal poster-child-for-hippie-chick beauty gave her a little edge in the overall PR/popularity contest compared to Laura's wild, dark, avant-garde and earthy presence? Laura will get all her due in time - I'm sure of it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 05:29:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: joni, laura, rickie i am so pleased to read all these opinions about laura. together with rickie lee and joni, laura nyro has been a highlight in my personal and artistic development. because my experience of art takes place at such a deep spiritual and unconscious level, i could never attempt a comparison between laura, joni and rickie that would add any significant value to what has already been said. i love the three of them and i am grateful for all the gifts that they have brought to my life. however, i feel that joni has been the one that has left the most permanent imprint on my existence. her effect has gone beyond mere enjoyment of her art or self-identification with her themes and narrations. while laura and rickie never fail to move me, joni has also TAUGHT me a lot about myself and the nature of life. i could never make that claim about either laura or rickie, however powerful their visions and language. i seldom spend a day without playing laura or rickie and yet weeks can pass without my listening to any of joni's music. i guess this means that joni brings me lessons i take longer to assimilate whereas laura and rickie can be wonderful though less demanding company. wally [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:22:19 +0100 From: "o" Subject: RE: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG A big thanks for that, Heather, it's great to know that there was a mutual repsect between them, unlike Joni and a lot of the other people she's compared to. As for Laura 'dropping out' of the music industry, I have to say, I'm a songwriter (I just started performing and recording - obviously nowhere near that level of inspiration) and I think people don't realise how hard it is. That quotation about talent being 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration is absolutely true - there's no set career path, you're at the mercy of your muse, and you have to push yourself to keep going onstage even if it's unnatural for you (as a writer it is - you want to observe not BE observed!). If you're not hardened it's a tough career path to follow, you have to have a hell of a lot of self-belief to keep on doing it. I get the sense that Laura wasn't that tough a person, like when she played to record company bosses to get a deal she had all the lights switched off, and of course she was convinced she'd been booed off the stage at the Monteray folk festival, which the video proved hadn't happened. So I don't see it as that strange that she stopped. You could say, conversely, that it was the stronger thing to do - everyone was telling her she was going to be hugely rich and famous, the voice of a generation, and she just said "not for me". I think that takes tremendous courage and a lack of ego. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:52:33 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Judee Sill (SJC) Owen wrote: > I also just started looking into the music of Judee Sill - anyone heard of > her? She was on Reprise in the 70s, only did two albums, had a very hard > knock life by the sound of it (she's like a female Nick Drake in that > sense), but her music and lyrics are outstanding from what I've heard. I agree, Owen - both desert island discs for me. I first heard Judee Sill on a UK TV show (Old Grey Whistle Test) back in the early 70s - and went straight out the next day and bought her debut album. I spent many years looking for her follow up album 'Heart Food' before finding a scratchy vinyl copy in a second-hand shop in London - at the time I didn't have a turntable so went straight to a shop next door and bought one! and have since burnt both albums (scratches and all) onto a CD. English music journalist/author Peter Doggett wrote this in Uncut Magazine recently (see http://www.kneeling.co.uk/pages/jsill/jsillarticle.asp) "She looked like the typical early Seventies singer- songwriter, a flaxen-haired Asylum labelmate to Joni Mitchell. She left two albums of flawless, enigmatic songs, filled with imagery worthy of William Blake, and harmonies that sounded like a collaboration between Brian Wilson and Bach." I met Peter Doggett at the launch party for Karen O'Brien's Joni biography a while back and he told me he was writing the liner notes for CD reissues of Judee's two albums (apparently due very soon on Rhino Handmade). Back in the 70s the UK's Record Mirror predicted "She'll be as big as Joni Mitchell with no sweat." Yesterday I found this on the net - Elvis Costello picks music for every hour of the day - Vanity Fair, 2002-11-01 http://www.elviscostello.info/articles/t-z/vanity_fair.021101a.html 11 A.M...."This is also the occasion when you may seek out a lost gem like Judee Sill's "Jesus Was A Cross Maker" (Asylum) or "The Bells" from Gonna Take A Miracle (Columbia), performed by Laura Nyro and Labelle." > 11 P.M. The day is almost done. Now there is a choice between words and another form of eloquence. Joni Mitchell's Blue (Reprise) sounds better than ever at this hour. All of today's confessional writers need to spend a year of pre-midnight hours with this record before sharing their pain with us." And this, from XTC Andy Partridge's desert island discs http://space.tin.it/io/pdimodic/edic_art9.htm Judee Sill (Asylum, 1971) Heart Food (Asylum, 1973) ".....I have to say this has been very influential on my writing. The way chords are structured make her a sort of female voice version of Johann Sebastian Bach. Some of the melodies have an incredible variety of sounds, "The Kiss" is possibly the most beautiful song ever written, "The Lamb Ran away with the Crown", many titles have a biblical theme. Imagine Brian Wilson with a female touch. Unfortunately she had a messy life because of drugs, I think she died in the early eighties. These records are phenomenally good." and this, by producer Gus Dudgeon http://www.kneeling.co.uk/pages/jsill/gus.asp "Many years later, I was one of the judges at the Yamaha Music Festival in Japan, and after the show, myself and the other judges were sitting around chugging some drinks, when someone asked what would be the one album we each individually would take to a desert island. When it came to my turn, I unhesitatingly nominated Judee's first album, having already said that no-one in the group would ever have heard of her. Amazingly, a well-respected and successful publisher, one of the judges, said....." I knew her well. I published her songs!!" I couldn't believe it." Best to all PaulC (savoring each word like a raspberry!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:01:01 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Laura excerpts In a message dated 09/07/2003 08:10:08 GMT Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: << I also wonder if perhaps Joni's blond, ethereal poster-child-for-hippie-chick beauty gave her a little edge in the overall PR/popularity contest compared to Laura's wild, dark, avant-garde and earthy presence? >> Well, interesting that you brought that up Kakki, as we're all right-on people here and don't judge people by looks (yeah, right!) - but of course they do make a difference, for better or worse. I think it's somehow fitting that, in keeping with the myriad other contrasts between them and their art, their looks were so different too. Personally I think they're both very beautiful women, yet in totally different ways. I'd even hazard a guess that if you showed a complete novice pictures of Joni and Laura in their 20s and then played them "I Had A King" and "Eli's Coming", they'd somehow guess who made which record! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 05:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: me on the radio NJC Hi all...i forgot to tell you that the public radio station that i program for is now webcasting again...finally! so if you want to hear whether or not i'm as big a dork on air as i am in person...tune in! www.krcl.org 6 to 9 AM mountain time. happy listening! alison e. in slc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 05:29:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] me on the radio NJC i forgot! it's today, and every wednesday am. important fact, really. alison np: new poi dog pondering - --- Alison E wrote: > Hi all...i forgot to tell you that the public radio > station that i program for is now webcasting > again...finally! so if you want to hear whether or > not > i'm as big a dork on air as i am in person...tune > in! > www.krcl.org > 6 to 9 AM mountain time. > happy listening! > alison e. in slc > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:30:23 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: me on the radio NJC Alison E writes: > i'm as big a dork on air as i am in person...tune in! > www.krcl.org Very cool, Alison - sitting here in London listening to Shawn Colvin's 'Witchita Skyline' no signs of dorkiness PaulC PS Liked that Eastmountainsouth track! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:16:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG Kate writes: << if joni was inspired to write again, that would be a GREAT song... >> She already has written about this subject, Kate -- "Song for Sharon." Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:18:46 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC To Wally, Kakki writes: << three talented and grand personalites to wish a happy birthday. >> Could someone please give us AOLers a clue as to who the 3 birthday people are? We aren't allowed to read Wally mail here at AOL. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:26:50 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: me on the radio NJC About Alison, Paul C writes: << no signs of dorkiness >> Keep listening, Paul. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:10:02 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Laura Nyro Bio by Michele Kort Gary Zack wrote: > I was told at a Borders that it was already out of print! Unbelievable > if true! You can always try eBay for a copy if you really want one. Apparently the hardcover edition has gone out of print, but the paperback version is in print and available. If you still want the hardcover, there is an excellent mail order source at HamiltonBook.com: http://www.hamiltonbook.com/hamiltonbook.filereader?3ad336c003a24eb0271fd820 5b7306ae+EN/catalogs They are selling the remaindered hardcover for 3.95 plus shipping. I have been buying from this dealer for years and have always got good service. Bob in CT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:36:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG yes, that is true but that song is more about a young girl's choice & so its kind of light (imo)..this one i'm suggesting is from a mature woman's perspective...looking back on both of those paths...its a bit deeper...it could be such a joyful song because she was rewarded, in the end, with the path that she did not choose (the return of her daughter & her grandkids)...or maybe that's another song...perhaps she's too close to it or maybe this time she's choosing to live the life instead of writing about it...why am i second guessing joni? i guess i just want her to keep writing! ps bob , i loved your post on katharine hepburn in nyc...i just read a wonderful tribute to her in time mag ...she does remind me so much of joni in many ways...(was she a taurus, the opposite of scorpio?) >She already has written about this subject, Kate -- "Song for Sharon." Take care, --Bob< kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:07:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC what a day, to have 3 such amazing people born on it...happy birthday vince, leslie (are you still here?) & yael! may your day be wonderful! >well, three VERRA LUCKY jmdlers have their birthdays today... V I N C E L E S L I E M I X O N Y A E L< kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:41:32 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: Nickel Creek (NJC) Well well well... Mr Paz, I owe you a beer or several. Thankyou so much for pushing me into listening to Nickel Creek. What can I say? Fantastic stuff. Being a bit of a Flecktones fan, and having just watched a live Alison Krauss concert on TV last night, I guess I'll have to confess to liking the odd bit of what seems to be categorised as Bluegrass. If this is typical of the modern interpretation of bluegrass, bring it on - it's great! For those that haven't heard their stuff: it's all acoustic: guitar, mandolin, violin, upright bass, etc, consummately played, with stunning harmonies to boot. Top songs so far are When You Come Back Down (oh... my... god...) and The Lighthouse's Tale. The latter is a song that reduced me to tears very quickly, in a way that only String's (that is, Stryngs' writer/singer) lyrics have done until now. I looked at their website, but couldn't find this out: are there any videos or DVDs of these guys? And I browsed their UK fan site to find this lovely quote in someone's signature:- "Songwriting is like fishing. You just sit there and the songs go floating by. If you have a pen, you can catch them. Just don't sit downstream from Bob Dylan.'' - Arlo Guthrie Lovely :) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Laura and Dylan - NJC --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > Oh, speaking of "sins", I have not seen anything > posted here about the front > page article in today's WJS about Dylan's apparent > 'lifting' (for his Love and > Theft" CD) of lines from Dr. Saga's book > "Confessions of a Yakuza". I do not > know if the article is also in the "WJS web" > version. > > Anyway, it was reported that (and appears, from the > evidence presented, as > though) a dozen or so lines from that almost unkown > book got lifted and used by > Mr. D. Not sure how bad that is, but I'd like think > (I guess I mean dream) > that if I were Dylan, I would have given a credit, > at least (as Joni should have, > for Silky Veils, apparently). > > What's up with this ? I guess it couldn't be the case with Dylan if he lifted lines directly from a book, but if it was just a sentence, or a phrase, or a musical line of some kind, I think sometimes people just don't realize they've heard it before - they think they've made it themselves and damn, it's good! Any time I've ever tried to write a song, and I come up with what I think is a really good melody, I realize it's because the melody was already written - by somebody else! So I guess I'm a lyricist and not a composer. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > > > "happy birthday, vince, leslie and yael." > > the BF vanishes, one of its breasts ceremoniously > trailing behind. Whew! and thank God for that! The BF is indeed getting weirder by the moment. But maybe because it's a threefer day? Happy birthday, Vince, Leslie and Yael - and speaking of Leslie, are you still out there, and are you coming to JONIFEST? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:59:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on Laura excerpts njc --- kakki wrote: > Laura will get all her due in time - I'm > sure of it. > I think the fact that most, if not all, of her albums are being re-mastered and re-released suggests that it's already happening. Also, another thought on that, because I know it's true for me. While I was doing all that raising kids stuff (not that they're completely raised yet, guldarn it, but they're more self-sufficient with each passing year), I didn't have a lot of time to spend on listening to music, or any money to spend on things like concerts, CDs etc (still don't have much, but have more than I did then.) It's really only in the last few years that I've spent some money on things for myself - like the music I listened to when I was a teenager and so on. I wonder if that's true for a lot of folks? Maybe a lot of us middle-aged fogies are going through a nostalgia thing? and in so doing, perhaps exposing our teenagers and kids in their 20s to this music and maybe some of them are taking to it now? Y'know, some people (guys) go out and buy that sportscar or the motorcycle they wanted but couldn't afford way back when. Some people get plastic surgery. I bought a new guitar recently. That kind of stuff. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:52:19 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni on Laura excerpts this somehow brings to mind the one and only time i met laura. it was at the ironhorse music hall in northampton massachusetts, april 10th, 1994. it was a solo performance. she sang her heart out but you could tell she wasn't feeling well and i thought she was rather shy while performing. the guy that was in charge of the sound board seemed really close to her. i'm not sure who it was though it looked like charlie calello. i had bought my well worn christmas and the beads of sweat lp with me hoping and praying i could get an autograph. i asked the gentleman if it was possible to see her after the show. he said that she got run down real easy so he couldn't promise me anything - all the while he saw what i was carrying. well, after the show i went down to the performers 'hang out' room and sure enough. there was laura. sitting behind a small table all by herself in this room. i started to feel sad for some reason but i smiled and said that i had been listening and moved by her music since in highschool and was wondering if you would sign this and i placed the christmas and the beads of sweat lp in front of her. she exclaimed "oh my, look at this." she looked at both sides and signed the front "laura" with a heart next to it. i told her i knew she was exhausted so i'll let her be and thanked her soooo much for signing my lp. she smiled. an evening i'll never forget .... me and laura and no one else. i guess that is what made me sad. no one else was there to see her. heather -----Original Message----- From: AzeemAK@aol.com [mailto:AzeemAK@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:01 AM To: kakkib@vzavenue.net; chiaroscuro@snet.net; owen.duff@ntlworld.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni on Laura excerpts In a message dated 09/07/2003 08:10:08 GMT Daylight Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: << I also wonder if perhaps Joni's blond, ethereal poster-child-for-hippie-chick beauty gave her a little edge in the overall PR/popularity contest compared to Laura's wild, dark, avant-garde and earthy presence? >> Well, interesting that you brought that up Kakki, as we're all right-on people here and don't judge people by looks (yeah, right!) - but of course they do make a difference, for better or worse. I think it's somehow fitting that, in keeping with the myriad other contrasts between them and their art, their looks were so different too. Personally I think they're both very beautiful women, yet in totally different ways. I'd even hazard a guess that if you showed a complete novice pictures of Joni and Laura in their 20s and then played them "I Had A King" and "Eli's Coming", they'd somehow guess who made which record! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:10:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni on Laura excerpts heather, this story brought tears to my eyes. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Heather Enviado el: Miercoles, 09 de Julio de 2003 10:52 p.m. Para: AzeemAK@aol.com; kakkib@vzavenue.net; owen.duff@ntlworld.com CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: Joni on Laura excerpts an evening i'll never forget .... me and laura and no one else. i guess that is what made me sad. no one else was there to see her. heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:11:55 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG About Song for Sharon, Kate writes: << yes, that is true but that song is more about a young girl's choice & so its kind of light (imo)..this one i'm suggesting is from a mature woman's perspective... >> I agree, Kate, and wish she would write ANYTHING about ANYTHING from her current perspective. So much talent and accumulated wisdom going to waste . . . And about Hepburn, Kate asks: << (was she a taurus, the opposite of scorpio?) >> Probably a Taurus like me, since we both have so much in common. (For example, we both stunned the world by wearing trousers!) XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:13:18 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC Happy birthday to all! You have so little in common, it's a phenomenon! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:27:31 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Laura In Concert (njc) Oh Heather, I'm so envious and at the same time so happy for you! My understanding is that Laura rarely met anyone after shows...it wasn't that people didn't want to see her...she made it a point of disappearing very quickly and people just usually were not allowed backstage. I met her (on purpose) at the airport once. I caught her flight coming into Detroit for a show and she had just returned from Japan. I gave her a rose in a box, and she shook my hand gently. I asked politely for an autograph, and she just said "please, after the show?" I said, "Will you be meeting people after the show?" She smiled but I could tell she wasn't feeling well. That night she only did a 45 minute set and left the stage ill. I never did get the autograph, but she returned to Detroit a few months later and gave a show for free, for all of those who had attended the abbreviated concert. She was in the middle of the stadium with seats on all four sides. She did a hell of a show, and it was the only time I heard her sing some obscure old doo-wop songs she loved, like "Ooh Child," "You Beat Me To The Punch" and "He's Sure The Boy I Love" at the end of her show. I have another Laura story I'll share at another time. She was just the greatest! Best regards, Gary Heather wrote: >this somehow brings to mind the one and only time i met laura. it was at >the ironhorse music hall in northampton massachusetts, april 10th, 1994. it >was a solo performance. she sang her heart out but you could tell she >wasn't feeling well and i thought she was rather shy while performing. the >guy that was in charge of the sound board seemed really close to her. i'm >not sure who it was though it looked like charlie calello. i had bought my >well worn christmas and the beads of sweat lp with me hoping and praying i >could get an autograph. i asked the gentleman if it was possible to see her >after the show. he said that she got run down real easy so he couldn't >promise me anything - all the while he saw what i was carrying. >well, after the show i went down to the performers 'hang out' room and sure >enough. there was laura. sitting behind a small table all by herself in >this room. i started to feel sad for some reason but i smiled and said that >i had been listening and moved by her music since in highschool and was >wondering if you would sign this and i placed the christmas and the beads of >sweat lp in front of her. she exclaimed "oh my, look at this." she looked >at both sides and signed the front "laura" with a heart next to it. i told >her i knew she was exhausted so i'll let her be and thanked her soooo much >for signing my lp. she smiled. >an evening i'll never forget .... me and laura and no one else. i guess >that is what made me sad. no one else was there to see her. > >heather > -----Original Message----- > From: AzeemAK@aol.com [mailto:AzeemAK@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:01 AM > To: kakkib@vzavenue.net; chiaroscuro@snet.net; owen.duff@ntlworld.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni on Laura excerpts > > > In a message dated 09/07/2003 08:10:08 GMT Daylight Time, >kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > > << I also wonder if perhaps Joni's blond, ethereal >poster-child-for-hippie-chick beauty gave her a little edge in the overall >PR/popularity contest compared to Laura's wild, dark, avant-garde and earthy >presence? >> > > Well, interesting that you brought that up Kakki, as we're all right-on >people here and don't judge people by looks (yeah, right!) - but of course >they do make a difference, for better or worse. I think it's somehow >fitting that, in keeping with the myriad other contrasts between them and >their art, their looks were so different too. Personally I think they're >both very beautiful women, yet in totally different ways. I'd even hazard a >guess that if you showed a complete novice pictures of Joni and Laura in >their 20s and then played them "I Had A King" and "Eli's Coming", they'd >somehow guess who made which record! > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:00:41 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Laura In Concert (njc) Gary! When was your encounter with Laura? Even though you missed an autograph, wasn't it thrilling just to meet her?! My trilogy of female musicians that I followed in the early 70' was Laura Nyro, Joni Mitchell, and Ellen McIlwaine. They were on my record player all the time. Speaking of Ellen McIlwaine, tune in to my next post. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Zack [mailto:nyro_in_detroit@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:28 AM To: Heather; joni@smoe.org Subject: Laura In Concert (njc) Oh Heather, I'm so envious and at the same time so happy for you! My understanding is that Laura rarely met anyone after shows...it wasn't that people didn't want to see her...she made it a point of disappearing very quickly and people just usually were not allowed backstage. I met her (on purpose) at the airport once. I caught her flight coming into Detroit for a show and she had just returned from Japan. I gave her a rose in a box, and she shook my hand gently. I asked politely for an autograph, and she just said "please, after the show?" I said, "Will you be meeting people after the show?" She smiled but I could tell she wasn't feeling well. That night she only did a 45 minute set and left the stage ill. I never did get the autograph, but she returned to Detroit a few months later and gave a show for free, for all of those who had attended the abbreviated concert. She was in the middle of the stadium with seats on all four sides. She did a hell of a show, and it was the only time I heard her sing some obscure old doo-wop songs she loved, like "Ooh Child," "You Beat Me To The Punch" and "He's Sure The Boy I Love" at the end of her show. I have another Laura story I'll share at another time. She was just the greatest! Best regards, Gary Heather wrote: >this somehow brings to mind the one and only time i met laura. it was at >the ironhorse music hall in northampton massachusetts, april 10th, 1994. it >was a solo performance. she sang her heart out but you could tell she >wasn't feeling well and i thought she was rather shy while performing. the >guy that was in charge of the sound board seemed really close to her. i'm >not sure who it was though it looked like charlie calello. i had bought my >well worn christmas and the beads of sweat lp with me hoping and praying i >could get an autograph. i asked the gentleman if it was possible to see her >after the show. he said that she got run down real easy so he couldn't >promise me anything - all the while he saw what i was carrying. >well, after the show i went down to the performers 'hang out' room and sure >enough. there was laura. sitting behind a small table all by herself in >this room. i started to feel sad for some reason but i smiled and said that >i had been listening and moved by her music since in highschool and was >wondering if you would sign this and i placed the christmas and the beads of >sweat lp in front of her. she exclaimed "oh my, look at this." she looked >at both sides and signed the front "laura" with a heart next to it. i told >her i knew she was exhausted so i'll let her be and thanked her soooo much >for signing my lp. she smiled. >an evening i'll never forget .... me and laura and no one else. i guess >that is what made me sad. no one else was there to see her. > >heather > -----Original Message----- > From: AzeemAK@aol.com [mailto:AzeemAK@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:01 AM > To: kakkib@vzavenue.net; chiaroscuro@snet.net; owen.duff@ntlworld.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni on Laura excerpts > > > In a message dated 09/07/2003 08:10:08 GMT Daylight Time, >kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > > << I also wonder if perhaps Joni's blond, ethereal >poster-child-for-hippie-chick beauty gave her a little edge in the overall >PR/popularity contest compared to Laura's wild, dark, avant-garde and earthy >presence? >> > > Well, interesting that you brought that up Kakki, as we're all right-on >people here and don't judge people by looks (yeah, right!) - but of course >they do make a difference, for better or worse. I think it's somehow >fitting that, in keeping with the myriad other contrasts between them and >their art, their looks were so different too. Personally I think they're >both very beautiful women, yet in totally different ways. I'd even hazard a >guess that if you showed a complete novice pictures of Joni and Laura in >their 20s and then played them "I Had A King" and "Eli's Coming", they'd >somehow guess who made which record! > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:11:36 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Ellen McIlwaine - njc We are going over to Martha's Vineyard on July 31st to see Ellen McIlwaine perform at Union Chapel. Will there be other jmdler's there by any chance? I just saw a wonderful video on Ellen titled "A Slide Through Time" produced in Canada. This woman is one soulful, gutsy slide guitar player! Her Japanese influence gives a truly unique twist to her style of playing. Jimi Hendrix played backup for her in the 70's. Isn't that wild? She is a unique woman who never want to "market" her music for sheer profit. She says that music is a sacred place for her. Just doesn't play too many places so if you have the chance to see her ...do! Best- Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:56:24 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Laura In Concert (njc) Yes, Heather, I was thrilled beyond belief!! It had to be around 1976 because "Smile" had either just been or was going to be released. It was that "Japan" period in her life. I have a huge folder of Laura articles including reviews of these shows stored (as well as a Joni box full of articles, etc.) When I can find it, I'll check the exact date. Some of my things are stored at another location at present. I also know I have the setlist of Joni's 1969 show at the Avon Theatre in Stratford, Ontario somewhere. I remember copying down her setlist when I attended that show and had the thrill of meeting her and getting her autograph back then. That's another thing I have to find. Once I get settled and get my possessions in one place again, I'll be able to dig up some of this great stuff. One of my prized possessions is Laura's New York Tendaberry promo lp still sealed with the timing sticker/label across the bottom!! Great talking Laura with you!! Gary Heather wrote: >Gary! >When was your encounter with Laura? Even though you missed an autograph, >wasn't it thrilling just to meet her?! My trilogy of female musicians that >I followed in the early 70' was Laura Nyro, Joni Mitchell, and Ellen >McIlwaine. They were on my record player all the time. Speaking of Ellen >McIlwaine, tune in to my next post. > >Heather > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Zack [mailto:nyro_in_detroit@sbcglobal.net] >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:28 AM >To: Heather; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Laura In Concert (njc) > > >Oh Heather, I'm so envious and at the same time so happy for you! My >understanding is that Laura rarely met anyone after shows...it wasn't >that people didn't want to see her...she made it a point of disappearing >very quickly and people just usually were not allowed backstage. I met >her (on purpose) at the airport once. I caught her flight coming into >Detroit for a show and she had just returned from Japan. I gave her a >rose in a box, and she shook my hand gently. I asked politely for an >autograph, and she just said "please, after the show?" I said, "Will >you be meeting people after the show?" She smiled but I could tell she >wasn't feeling well. That night she only did a 45 minute set and left >the stage ill. I never did get the autograph, but she returned to >Detroit a few months later and gave a show for free, for all of those >who had attended the abbreviated concert. >She was in the middle of the stadium with seats on all four sides. She >did a hell of a show, and it was the only time I heard her sing some >obscure old doo-wop songs she loved, like "Ooh Child," >"You Beat Me To The Punch" and "He's Sure The Boy I Love" at the end of >her show. > >I have another Laura story I'll share at another time. She was just the >greatest! > >Best regards, > >Gary > >Heather wrote: > >>this somehow brings to mind the one and only time i met laura. it was at >>the ironhorse music hall in northampton massachusetts, april 10th, 1994. >> >it > >>was a solo performance. she sang her heart out but you could tell she >>wasn't feeling well and i thought she was rather shy while performing. the >>guy that was in charge of the sound board seemed really close to her. i'm >>not sure who it was though it looked like charlie calello. i had bought my >>well worn christmas and the beads of sweat lp with me hoping and praying i >>could get an autograph. i asked the gentleman if it was possible to see >> >her > >>after the show. he said that she got run down real easy so he couldn't >>promise me anything - all the while he saw what i was carrying. >>well, after the show i went down to the performers 'hang out' room and sure >>enough. there was laura. sitting behind a small table all by herself in >>this room. i started to feel sad for some reason but i smiled and said >> >that > >>i had been listening and moved by her music since in highschool and was >>wondering if you would sign this and i placed the christmas and the beads >> >of > >>sweat lp in front of her. she exclaimed "oh my, look at this." she looked >>at both sides and signed the front "laura" with a heart next to it. i told >>her i knew she was exhausted so i'll let her be and thanked her soooo much >>for signing my lp. she smiled. >>an evening i'll never forget .... me and laura and no one else. i guess >>that is what made me sad. no one else was there to see her. >> >>heather >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AzeemAK@aol.com [mailto:AzeemAK@aol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:01 AM >> To: kakkib@vzavenue.net; chiaroscuro@snet.net; owen.duff@ntlworld.com >> Cc: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: Joni on Laura excerpts >> >> >> In a message dated 09/07/2003 08:10:08 GMT Daylight Time, >>kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: >> >> << I also wonder if perhaps Joni's blond, ethereal >>poster-child-for-hippie-chick beauty gave her a little edge in the overall >>PR/popularity contest compared to Laura's wild, dark, avant-garde and >> >earthy > >>presence? >> >> >> Well, interesting that you brought that up Kakki, as we're all right-on >>people here and don't judge people by looks (yeah, right!) - but of course >>they do make a difference, for better or worse. I think it's somehow >>fitting that, in keeping with the myriad other contrasts between them and >>their art, their looks were so different too. Personally I think they're >>both very beautiful women, yet in totally different ways. I'd even hazard >> >a > >>guess that if you showed a complete novice pictures of Joni and Laura in >>their 20s and then played them "I Had A King" and "Eli's Coming", they'd >>somehow guess who made which record! >> >> Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:18:15 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC I think this term here says it all (besides WHAT THE FECK WAS SHE THINKING?????!!!!). Hee hee Paz Smurph mused: > nitpicking every last detail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:20:15 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC WoW! Three of my favorite beeeatches on the list!!!! LOL!1 HAPPY BORTHDAY YOUR THREE! Haven't heard much from Leslie Mixon as of late and only run into Yael once in awhile in a hurry on AIM. Love you guys. Raising my apple juice to all of you tonight. Love Paz > today the JMDL BF has decided to don three pairs of fashionable BREASTS. the > BF has decided to be a very pie-baking, cookie-cutting, pillow-fluffing > mother-earth type today. it is the sun-in-cancer thing to do. > > it is also because the JMDL BF is becoming increasingly bizarre. > > (besides, three pairs of breasts are always rather becoming, especially when > attached to an ethereal chest.) > > see the JMDL BF floating and hovering and very salaciously parading those > breasts! oh but to have one's birthday today! > > well, three VERRA LUCKY jmdlers have their birthdays today... > > V I N C E > > L E S L I E M I X O N > > Y A E L > > the JMDL BF won't shriek or slap mortals about or issue its terrifying > commands today -- hovering around with three pairs of luscious breasts is a > very tricky matter, dude! > > so in the sweetest and purest victoria de los angeles soprano style, the BF > intones: > > "happy birthday, vince, leslie and yael." > > the BF vanishes, one of its breasts ceremoniously trailing behind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:25:44 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Nickel Creek (NJC) That9s why I love this list. Feck just Joni! Bring it all on! There is a video of them playing on aol sessions. Just do a search on aol sight on your fave browser and it should come up. I love their version of Sinead Lohan's (who I worked with on her album here in N.O. With Malcolm Burn) "Out of the Woods". Looking forward to our set and hope we do it justice (at least for me as you know what a nervous nellie I can be). Best Paz > Well well well... Mr Paz, I owe you a beer or several. Thankyou > so much for pushing me into listening to Nickel Creek. What > can I say? Fantastic stuff. Being a bit of a Flecktones > fan, and having just watched a live Alison Krauss concert on > TV last night, I guess I'll have to confess to liking the odd > bit of what seems to be categorised as Bluegrass. If this is > typical of the modern interpretation of bluegrass, bring it > on - it's great! > > For those that haven't heard their stuff: it's all acoustic: > guitar, mandolin, violin, upright bass, etc, consummately > played, with stunning harmonies to boot. > > Top songs so far are When You Come Back Down (oh... my... god...) > and The Lighthouse's Tale. The latter is a song that reduced > me to tears very quickly, in a way that only String's (that is, > Stryngs' writer/singer) lyrics have done until now. > > I looked at their website, but couldn't find this out: are there > any videos or DVDs of these guys? > > And I browsed their UK fan site to find this lovely quote in > someone's signature:- > > "Songwriting is like fishing. You just sit there and the songs go > floating by. If you have a pen, you can catch them. Just don't sit > downstream from Bob Dylan.'' - Arlo Guthrie > > Lovely :) > > --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:27:45 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC HAPPY BIRTHDAY U THREE!!! WHERE THE HELL R THOSE MAGICAL MIXONS ANYWAY? In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:44:21 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Steely Dan on DVD-Audio, njc The new one, "Everything Must Go" is out on DVD-Audio. JAL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:42:16 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: July 10 1983: Joni performed at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #354 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)