From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #353 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 9 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 353 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: vh1 classics ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: vh1 classics [Catherine McKay ] Re: Laura trade offer [PassScribe@aol.com] Re:Richard's recollections [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Joni vs. Laura- trade offer njc [Gary Zack ] Re: Laura and Dylan - NJC [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: Joni w/ Laura Nyro ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC [vince ] Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG ["Kate Bennett" ] july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:06:57 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: vh1 classics <> Wow, that's cool! I wonder if they played something from the Refuge of the Roads tour? I found a different link on their website that allowed me to put the request through correctly: VH1ClassicRequests@vh1.com The website is: http://www.vh1.com/channels/vh1_classic/channel.jhtml Homework assignment: Whaddya say we jam up their e-mail with all Joni requests and get Joni played on the t.v. more? Mia _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: vh1 classics --- mia ortlieb wrote: Cool! All Joni, all the time! The Joni Channel! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:36:33 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura trade offer In a message dated 7/8/03 3:01:32 AM, Gary Zack > Richard: I really enjoyed reading your condensed bio; how I envy you musicians who started early. I don't play guitar but I'm fascinated with the variety of tunings you can do to alter the overall effect on a tune with a guitar. Your recollections of past concerts was a real treat; amazing how much you remember after all the years. I highlighted the above phrase from your extire text on Laura for one reason: when I read Laura Nyro's biography, one of the things that stood out in my mind was her penchant for wearing that black velvet dress at a concert. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:01:45 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura- trade offer njc Hi Kate, You're right, Eli was Laura's "debut" on Columbia, since Columbia didn't get the rights to her first official release until a few years later in her career. But oooh that demo version of "Lu" bonus track just blows me away!!! Listen to it one more time before you trade it away!! "The First Songs" has "Wedding Bell Blues" "Stoney End" "I Never Meant To Hurt You" "And When I Die" and more great songs that you may well enjoy. Unfortunately Laura didn't have much input on how the tracks were done on her debut. If she had been able to decide what she wanted for that first album I believe it would have sounded much differently. I still love it though - Jeff Pevar played on "Angel In The Dark." It's a lovely recording that includes "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" "Let It Be Me" "Embraceable You" and "Walk On By" (all of which were not written by Laura) . Some of Laura's last compositions are also included on the disc. I just die for "New York Tendaberry." Maybe because it's the first Laura album I discovered. It takes me back to devils and captains and incense and that mysterious woman in black with her long black hair blowing on the cover of the album who played a mean piano! Got to be my favorite of all time! Best to you! Gary Kate Bennett wrote: > hi gary, yes, the cd is 'eli'...i didn't know about her earlier > release...the cd says 'eli' is her debut release on columbia?...anyway > that's the one i have.. > > those of you who are laura fans, which are your fav cds? how do you > like the one that was release last year or so (with jeff pevar playing > some tracks)...? > > gary: > > Laura's debut "CD" was released by Columbia and called "The First > > Songs." Is this the one you speak of? I know "Eli" "Tendaberry" and > > "Gonna Take A Miracle" have all been re-released with extra tracks but > > am not aware of that happening with "The First Songs" so far. > > > > kate > > www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:06:30 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' Yes Heather it's a great book! There are some great stories! My two favorites: 1) After Laura had "made it" she hired a limousine to take her and her friends to White Castle for burgers! 2) The story about how Laura always seemed to "float" as opposed to walk, but was apparently at a gathering where she was coming down the steps and fell all the way down the steps on her behind. She just stood up and started walking as if nothing had happened. Her friend gasped "Laura, you hurt?" She replied "Just my pride." Just love it! Best regards, Gary Heather wrote: >If you want a good read of Laura's life, check out "Soul Picnic" by Michele >Kort. I found it quite interesting since I'm a Laura Nyro fan. > >Best- >Heather > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of o >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:04 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' > > >That's exaclty what I meant, in fact I read a quite somewhere that said >something like "Laura influenced a lot of people, but no-one seemed to have >influenced her". Obviously there are influences in her music, but it was so >against 'pop' music in a lot of ways... having said that, I think Laura was >allowed to grow as an artist because she wrote hits early on, so she was >indulged in a way and allowed to do whatever she wanted - what record >company these days would give a 20-year old who never had a hit herself the >budget for an orchestra and to take over a year to make an album?! This is >what the industry doesn't get anymore - there has been lots of hand-wringing >in the UK recently about the "state of music", and the reason the charts are >full of crap is because the companies now go after the trend, the quick-hit, >and don't look recognise or care about real talent anymore. They don't have >a clue that all artists (and hence good long-term investments) need support >to grow and experiment. But then maybe they see artists as trouble, artists >make albums like 'Mingus'! Of course, in the 60s and 70s the industry was >practically made up of music fans who happened to have good business sense, >now it's full of accountants who wouldn't know art if it screamed at them >like Laura Nyro at the end of 'Tom Cat Goodby'!! >o > > > >>Owen wrote: >> > >>>However out of the two, I think Laura's music is more original than >>> >Joni's, > >>I kind of think this, too, in a way that's difficult to explain. Laura's >>music just seemed to have sprung forth from her fully formed and original >> >and the fact that she was so young when she started out is always astounding >to me. Joni's very first songs were much less developed (though her writing >quickly evolved). Joni's travels through different musical genres are >amazing but she did have friends (CSN, Tom Scott, Guerin, Jaco, Mingus, >Klein, et al.) who influenced and helped her along the way -whereas Laura >seems not to have been particularly influenced by anyone else (other than >the Doo Wop kids on the neighborhood street corner). Laura's music is by >turns operatic, funky, jazzy, soulful, poppy and celestial. She does not >try out different genres so much as blend disparate ones all together into >something brand new and distinctly her own. > >>Lyrically you can't compare them easily, Laura's are much >>more figurative and Joni's more descriptive. >> > >That's a great way to describe it. > >Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:12:34 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' I was told at a Borders that it was already out of print! Unbelievable if true! You can always try eBay for a copy if you really want one. One amusing reference to Joni I recall from the book, was about a big fan of both Joni and Laura who begged to get backstage to see Laura after her show. They allowed him back and he showed her two of his tattoos, I believe one was on each leg; one of Joni and one of Laura. If I recall correctly, Laura fell off her chair laughing uncontrollably and said "Didn't my hair hurt??" Best regards, Gary o wrote: >Hi Heather - I want to read that book, but haven't seen it in a bookshop yet >(I haven't gone out of my way to find it though). I'd be very interested to >hear what Laura thought of Joni - like did she at all resent her for her >stardom? I know Joni is guarded in her praise for Laura, but you can tell >she very much admired her, I hope Laura knew that in her lifetime. >O > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather" >To: "o" ; >Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:11 PM >Subject: RE: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' > > >>If you want a good read of Laura's life, check out "Soul Picnic" by >> >Michele > >>Kort. I found it quite interesting since I'm a Laura Nyro fan. >> >>Best- >>Heather >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of o >>Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:04 AM >>To: joni@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' >> >> >>That's exaclty what I meant, in fact I read a quite somewhere that said >>something like "Laura influenced a lot of people, but no-one seemed to >> >have > >>influenced her". Obviously there are influences in her music, but it was >> >so > >>against 'pop' music in a lot of ways... having said that, I think Laura >> >was > >>allowed to grow as an artist because she wrote hits early on, so she was >>indulged in a way and allowed to do whatever she wanted - what record >>company these days would give a 20-year old who never had a hit herself >> >the > >>budget for an orchestra and to take over a year to make an album?! This is >>what the industry doesn't get anymore - there has been lots of >> >hand-wringing > >>in the UK recently about the "state of music", and the reason the charts >> >are > >>full of crap is because the companies now go after the trend, the >> >quick-hit, > >>and don't look recognise or care about real talent anymore. They don't >> >have > >>a clue that all artists (and hence good long-term investments) need >> >support > >>to grow and experiment. But then maybe they see artists as trouble, >> >artists > >>make albums like 'Mingus'! Of course, in the 60s and 70s the industry was >>practically made up of music fans who happened to have good business >> >sense, > >>now it's full of accountants who wouldn't know art if it screamed at them >>like Laura Nyro at the end of 'Tom Cat Goodby'!! >>o >> >> >> >>>Owen wrote: >>> >>>>However out of the two, I think Laura's music is more original than >>>> >>Joni's, >> >>>I kind of think this, too, in a way that's difficult to explain. Laura's >>>music just seemed to have sprung forth from her fully formed and original >>> >>and the fact that she was so young when she started out is always >> >astounding > >>to me. Joni's very first songs were much less developed (though her >> >writing > >>quickly evolved). Joni's travels through different musical genres are >>amazing but she did have friends (CSN, Tom Scott, Guerin, Jaco, Mingus, >>Klein, et al.) who influenced and helped her along the way -whereas Laura >>seems not to have been particularly influenced by anyone else (other than >>the Doo Wop kids on the neighborhood street corner). Laura's music is by >>turns operatic, funky, jazzy, soulful, poppy and celestial. She does not >>try out different genres so much as blend disparate ones all together into >>something brand new and distinctly her own. >> >>>Lyrically you can't compare them easily, Laura's are much >>>more figurative and Joni's more descriptive. >>> >>That's a great way to describe it. >> >>Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:07:59 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC > Paz writes: > > << we still have a few berths to fill. Besides Murph's bed of course >> The the Murph writes with major pun intended! > You all know the drill: They call him the human drill folks. Wimps beware! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 00:14:23 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura and Dylan - NJC Bree wrote: > NJC > > I'm ashamed to admit that I have nothing of Laura's. Months ago she was > discussed on the list and I went as far to going to Best Buy the next day to > > make a purchase and DID NOT. What's with me? (don't answer that) But > all this talk..wonderful writing...and the dissection of her music..makes me > > think that I'm really missing out. Soon to change!! Me 2. That's gotta change, I guess. That won't be like adultery, will it ? Oh, speaking of "sins", I have not seen anything posted here about the front page article in today's WJS about Dylan's apparent 'lifting' (for his Love and Theft" CD) of lines from Dr. Saga's book "Confessions of a Yakuza". I do not know if the article is also in the "WJS web" version. Anyway, it was reported that (and appears, from the evidence presented, as though) a dozen or so lines from that almost unkown book got lifted and used by Mr. D. Not sure how bad that is, but I'd like think (I guess I mean dream) that if I were Dylan, I would have given a credit, at least (as Joni should have, for Silky Veils, apparently). What's up with this ? I guess almost all of us get caught cheatin' once or twice.... some, more than that, though ;-) In the world of bridge, some of the cheaters have gotten caught more than once (the thrill is too irresistable for some, apparently), while others seem to have learned their lesson after the first humiliation. I myself abandoned the foot wedge in my weekend golf game about 15 years ago..... that's when I became a golfer (not necessarily a good one) ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:29:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni w/ Laura Nyro as a mom, that song still makes me cry...i can imagine how poignant it must have been for her to have you, at that age, singing it to her... i thought i was an early fan of joni's because i had her first record...but didn't know much about her if anything until its release...speaking of those early days... i've told this story before but it might be interesting to the newcomers...my friend jim messina started his career working at sunset sound...he was about 16 yrs old & just did cable splicing & stuff...one day the manager told him that today he'd be recording someone david crosby was bringing in...he thought cool! it must be bing crosby's son & a big band coming in! (he hadn't heard of david yet)...it turns out it was david bringing joni in to record some demos for the first time...she was playing a ducimer & he'd never seen one before...he described how he watched in awe as this beautiful young girl sat in the studio's low light & sang song after amazing song in her beautiful voice... oh to be a fly on the wall at that session! > my mother (who died in 1990)loved "Circle Game" and would ask me to play it & sing it >>for her when I was 11 and 12, which I did, but it always made her cry. kate www.katebennett.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of clip_image002.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 00:38:50 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC some year I'll show up and impress you all with what a Sox fan can do... Michael Paz wrote: >>Paz writes: >> >><< we still have a few berths to fill. Besides Murph's bed of course >> >> >> > > >The the Murph writes with major pun intended! > > >>You all know the drill: >> >> > > >They call him the human drill folks. Wimps beware! > >Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:05:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC Vince writes: << some year I'll show up and impress you all with what a Sox fan can do... >> Well, Vince, I'd strongly suggest that you make it THIS year. Of course there will be other Jonifests at some point in the future, but Ashara will always be the ultimate Jonifest producer. Could others do as well? Sure, if they quit their day jobs and then devote months of their lives -- without pay -- to planning, coordinating, cajoling, pleading and nitpicking every last detail in order to make their Jonifests the incredible experience that Ashara has made it for years now. I think that time will prove that nobody does it better, so if you can ever make it to a Jonifest, Vince, this is the one to come to. __Bob "The Jackhammer" Murphy, AKA "The Thrill with the Drill" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:45:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni vs. Laura and a rant about 'the industry' -LONG "Laura Nyro made a choice that has tempted me on many occasions," Mitchell demurred. "And that was to lead an ordinary life. . . . Which is brave and tough in its own way." i loved the stuff from the bio heather...thanks! and the above is one of the most touching & insightful things i have ever heard (read) joni say (as opposed to written in song)... if joni was inspired to write again, that would be a GREAT song... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:47:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC today the JMDL BF has decided to don three pairs of fashionable BREASTS. the BF has decided to be a very pie-baking, cookie-cutting, pillow-fluffing mother-earth type today. it is the sun-in-cancer thing to do. it is also because the JMDL BF is becoming increasingly bizarre. (besides, three pairs of breasts are always rather becoming, especially when attached to an ethereal chest.) see the JMDL BF floating and hovering and very salaciously parading those breasts! oh but to have one's birthday today! well, three VERRA LUCKY jmdlers have their birthdays today... V I N C E L E S L I E M I X O N Y A E L the JMDL BF won't shriek or slap mortals about or issue its terrifying commands today -- hovering around with three pairs of luscious breasts is a very tricky matter, dude! so in the sweetest and purest victoria de los angeles soprano style, the BF intones: "happy birthday, vince, leslie and yael." the BF vanishes, one of its breasts ceremoniously trailing behind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:25:32 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: July 9 1983: Joni performed at the Palace Theater in Columbus, Ohio - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:51:00 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: july 9... TIMES THREE!!!!! -- NJC Good Gawd, Wally ;-) But it is a momentous occasion - three talented and grand personalites to wish a happy birthday. Happy Birthday to you wonderful Crabs and Moon children ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #353 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)