From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #351 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 8 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 351 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni vs. Laura ["o" ] Re: Joni vs. Laura [Chris Marshall ] Re: my evening, njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Guess for "Covers", and Tim's a winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni vs. Laura ["Heather" ] Re: Judy Garland sings Joni, sorta [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni vs. Laura $2 cents more [Monafitz@aol.com] Raycharles Lamontagne NJC ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] Choices, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni vs. Laura ["o" ] Raycharles Lamontagne NJC ["Erica L. Trudelle" ] Re: Judy Garland sings Joni, sorta [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: vh1 classics [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: Judy Garland sings Joni, sorta ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Jonifest 2003 Store Reminder [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Jonifest 2003 Store Reminder [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] RE: my evening, njc ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: Choices, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] It's 'madding' crowd njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni vs. Laura- trade offer ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: It's 'madding' crowd njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] 22 jnc [tantra-apso ] RE: 22 jnc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: 22 jnc [Catherine McKay ] Re: 22 jnc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni vs. Laura trade offer [Gary Zack ] Re: my evening, njc [Michael Paz ] Re: joni vs. laura [bra811@aol.com] RE: joni vs. laura ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: joni vs. laura [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni vs. laura [Gary Zack ] Re: joni vs. laura [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: joni vs. laura ["Richard Flynn" ] Goin' to JoniFest [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #216 [PassScribe@aol.com] RE: my evening, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: joni vs. laura [Catherine McKay ] Re: Goin' to JoniFest NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni w/ Laura Nyro ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Goin' to JoniFest [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: my evening, njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: my evening, njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Goin' to JoniFest [Michael Paz ] Re: Raycharles Lamontagne NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Today in History: July 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: July 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:18:33 +0100 From: "o" Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura Hmm, that is difficult. I think really the Laura Nyro that matches up to that description is the one who produced the 'holy trinity' (Eli, tendaberry and christmas) of albums. Joni was more successful and hence more influential, had much greater longevity and so wrote from a wider range of perspectives, and probably experimented with a greater range of musical styles. I've always had a feeling that if Laura had continued producing albums regularly, she would have started repeating herself - you can already hear it in some of the chord progressions she uses i.e that bah-bah-bah motown sequence (not to diminish her amazing talent). However out of the two, I think Laura's music is more original than Joni's, and once she'd made her statement she got out, and didn't fall for the fame game, which is admirable I think. Lyrically you can't compare them easily, Laura's are much more figurative and Joni's more descriptive. Depends what floats your boat I suppose. I don't really think it's helpful to say "so and so is better", in fact that kinda stuff really irritates me - bloody journalists! o ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:27:45 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura Arguments about "better" or "worse" just don't apply when, in my opinion, the actual material is very different from a style point of view. As such, it comes down to something being "preferable" from the standpoint of the listener, and as soon as that happens, the whole better or worse argument becomes invalid. If Joni and Laura were in the same place in their musical styles then perhaps you could make that judgement. But I don't think that's the case here - what music of Nyro's I've heard has sounded like it's broadly from the same mould, whereas Joni constantly surprises with big changes of direction. (Hmmm, am I lighting the blue touch-paper here? :-) Continuing Owen's point: I too hate it when people say something's better than something else, or worse, something's "crap", when what they mean is "I don't personally like this music". Grrrrrrr. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 04:48:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: my evening, njc Hello Just to be a nit picker ... Lama wrote: "didn't it feel good?" > > I was disoriented so I stopped. > Apparently you were Lama! continue .... > The same voice, this time with a backing track over the Public Address > speaker: > > "Didn't it feeeeeeel > go-oooooo > -ooooooo > -ooooooo > -oooooooD? > -didn't it feel good? > -didn't it feel good?" > > > It was Joni's "Free Man in Paris" from 'COURT AND SPARK'. The scalp on the > back of my neck went crazy. I smiled. Yeah, it's some kind of sign. Sure. > Onward. Was this some sort of cryptic test ....? Because I dont recall these words in "Free Man in Paris." I seem to recall them as the lyrics to "HELP ME!" And somebody please help Lama! LOL! Please Lama - it IS a sign - NO more jaywalking - - promise?! Oh well back to reality for all today ... the sign here is ... we are just that much closer to FEST!!! Woooo Hooooo! Peace, Susan NP: Hell & Kerry snoring from the next room! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:05:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Guess for "Covers", and Tim's a winner! Tim must have felt like quite the lucky girl when he guessed: > "Lucky Girl" on "Dog Eat Dog." Better to be lucky than an "Impossible Dreamer", which was my pick. Tim just about nailed it, so he wins a FREE copy of "Joni Covers, Volume 42". Just tell me where to send it and it's on its way! Thanks to all who played, let me know if you want a copy of it, and stay tuned for a whole 'nuther cd's worth of Joni covers in about a month. Bob NP: Beth Nielsen Chapman, "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:12:03 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni vs. Laura As far as "successful", as you have written below, Laura was indeed more successful. Look at the music Laura wrote and the popular covers done of her music. Joni did not get that far ... at least not as quickly. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of o Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:19 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura Hmm, that is difficult. I think really the Laura Nyro that matches up to that description is the one who produced the 'holy trinity' (Eli, tendaberry and christmas) of albums. Joni was more successful and hence more influential, had much greater longevity and so wrote from a wider range of perspectives, and probably experimented with a greater range of musical styles. I've always had a feeling that if Laura had continued producing albums regularly, she would have started repeating herself - you can already hear it in some of the chord progressions she uses i.e that bah-bah-bah motown sequence (not to diminish her amazing talent). However out of the two, I think Laura's music is more original than Joni's, and once she'd made her statement she got out, and didn't fall for the fame game, which is admirable I think. Lyrically you can't compare them easily, Laura's are much more figurative and Joni's more descriptive. Depends what floats your boat I suppose. I don't really think it's helpful to say "so and so is better", in fact that kinda stuff really irritates me - bloody journalists! o ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:20:43 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Garland sings Joni, sorta In a message dated 7/6/2003 11:33:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > Which makes me wonder, what no-longer-with-us singer would you like to see > come back from the dead to perform a Joni song, and which > song would it be? Sam Cooke - God Must Be A Boogie Man Harry Nilsson - Chelsea Morning Janis Joplin - Raised On Robbery Barry White - Solid Love Billie Holliday - Blue Motel Room And just for Joni's benefit: Edith Piaf - Amelia Fun food for thought Bob...thanks for the idea. Bob NP: Itxaso & Daniel Perez, "Cherokee Louise" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:32:18 EDT From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura $2 cents more On Laura and Joni - - Implicitly > superior, in other words, to that of the more feted Joni > Mitchell." > > From a review by Barney Hoskins of a new book entitled "The People's Music" Well, even could people say foolish things sometimes, but then that's his subjective opinion... I would like to be a fly on the table where Joni and Laura would sit listening to that comment. Surely they would find amusement there. Take two open minded, emotionally honest people, pulled from a musical vacuum, put them in a dark controlled comfortable atmosphere with a pair of the most superior headphones and give them each one hour of candlelit or completely dark headphone therapy with their eyes closed.....then come tell me that one is better than the other if you can. When each artist creates from so deep an emotionally honest place, how then can one subjective feeling be superior to the other? Cheers, MONA Mona A. Fitzgerald Windsor, CT 06095 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:35:09 -0400 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Raycharles Lamontagne NJC Hello all, I've been lurking for an eternity, but finally have a reason to dive right in!! Has anyone heard of Raycharles Lamontagne, he's a singer song writer from the Portland, Maine area and is about to be signed onto some lable out of LA. He is incredible. Obviously all of us hear love good music and I personally think this guy is the real deal, so if you don't like him you can completely blame me for wasing your time :) He was actually named after a baseball player from the '50's, despite the huge musical implications his name carries. I hope this link works because I'd love to share this with everyone......a friend of mine simply emailed them and asked for a disc and received a home made burned one in the mail. He's not doing Joni covers yet, but hell I'd be psyched to hear that. http://www.raycharleslamontagne.com/index.html Take care, Erica PS. he lives in a house he built that's totally "off the grid", you've gotta love that as well! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 14:44:01 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Choices, njc Kate wrote: > what an amazing dad you have laurent! i cannot imagine what it must to have > been in this kind of situation...i feel slightly embarrassed to equate my > experience with what you just said because it is not as courageous or > dramatic...but when i was younger i would do something similar (though it > was by choice) as a kind of spiritual excercise...to see if i could rise > above my physical surroundings...it really does work...though i hope to > never have to experience such a thing again...i like my comforts too much > now... Don't worry about equating your experience, it shows no disrespect. I would like to hear more about your experience. It's one thing to do it under extreme circumstances (camps or child abuse as Colin wrote) and another thing to do it by choice. And yet another thing to do it without 20 some years of practice in meditation in a tibetan monestary. So please tell us more. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:51:07 +0100 From: "o" Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura Well I meant over time - you couldn't really argue that over the course of their careers Laura Nyro was more successful than Joni Mitchell, (30 years after her career began, Joni's albums were still top 30/40 material, whereas I don't think any of Laura's last releases charted) although you are right that if you were measuring the two in, say, 1970, Laura would have been the more successful. Also, I was talking about success in terms of how many artists they influenced - Joni's public profile was much higher and longer lasting, her fame more far-reaching, than Laura's, so for this reason I would say Joni's music influenced more people. But maybe the artists influenced by Nyro (Kate Bush, Tori Amos, even Joni herself) were influenced more profoundly, I don't know. I reiterate, I am only talking facts and figures here, I'm not using that as a basis for 'better' and 'worse'. Owen >As far as "successful", as you have written below, Laura was indeed more >successful. Look at the music Laura wrote and the popular covers done of >her music. Joni did not get that far ... at least not as quickly. >Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:54:52 -0400 From: "Erica L. Trudelle" Subject: Raycharles Lamontagne NJC Hello all, I've been lurking for an eternity, but finally have a reason to dive right in!! Has anyone heard of Raycharles Lamontagne, he's a singer song writer from the Portland, Maine area and is about to be signed onto some lable out of LA. He is incredible. Obviously all of us hear love good music and I personally think this guy is the real deal, so if you don't like him you can completely blame me for wasing your time :) He was actually named after a baseball player from the '50's, despite the huge musical implications his name carries. I hope this link works because I'd love to share this with everyone......a friend of mine simply emailed them and asked for a disc and received a home made burned one in the mail. He's not doing Joni covers yet, but hell I'd be psyched to hear that. http://www.raycharleslamontagne.com/index.html Take care, Erica _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:57:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy Garland sings Joni, sorta Muller writes: << Janis Joplin - Raised On Robbery >> Inspired choice, Bob! It would also make RoR a song of great social and political import. --Bob, perched on my perishables ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:31:54 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: vh1 classics hi there-- not sure about the URL, but I have seen a Joni video on this station, a performance video, Joni was very blond and it was the early 80, from what I coudl tell. I'd never heard of the song, and can't remember the name! sorry, but yes, Joni lives on VH1 Classics! Mitch in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 10:46:21 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Judy Garland sings Joni, sorta >Which makes me wonder, what no-longer-with-us singer would you like to see >come back from the dead to perform a Joni song, and which song would it be? >Aside from Ethel Merman singing "Just Like This Train" (SHAKIN' INTO TOWN >WITH THE >BREAKS COMPLAININ'), of course. > > --Bob Believe it or not.. Elvis doing either A case.....or NRH... I'm not too familiar with Billie Holiday..but heard her in restaurant/bar recently and I think she would do quite well tearing up a Joni song. Some of Joni's early stuff.....I Had A King.... Great question!! Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:08:49 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Carpool to JoniFest?? Dear Fellow List Members, Late-breaking developments mean I MAY be able to attend the N.E. JoniFest 2003. In order to do so, I will need to be able to hitch a ride, sharing direct expenses (gas, tolls), definitely, and driving, if desired. From the past postings of confirmed attendees, it looks like my best bet would be the person attending from Chincoteague, Va., if he/she is driving --- that person's likely route runs right through Dover, Del. I have just registered at the JoniFest list, but haven't seen a place on it to post messages. Chincoteague person: Please e-mail me at my other address, tim_spong@yahoo.com. Thanks. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:44:42 -0400 From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Store Reminder Only a few more days for ordering Jonifest 2003 mercahndise. All orders and payments much be in by July 10th. Check it out at: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm And, of course, a GREAT reason to sign up for Jonifest NOW (www.jonifest.com) is....... FREE SHIPPING!!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:44:48 -0400 From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Store Reminder Only a few more days for ordering Jonifest 2003 mercahndise. All orders and payments much be in by July 10th. Check it out at: http://www.jmdl.com/jonifest/store.cfm And, of course, a GREAT reason to sign up for Jonifest NOW (www.jonifest.com) is....... FREE SHIPPING!!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:52:36 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: my evening, njc >> Tonight I saw a movie called "Bruce Almighty" wherein Morgan Freeman as God, > delivers a few "signs", literally. In turn Bruce delivers a few "signs", > figuratively, to his girlfriend. When I went to see that same movie, we were driving home when all of the sudden I just turned the radio on and a split second later, immediately heard the angelic chorus singing "You can't always get what you want..." from the Rolling Stones song... Spooky! Victor, back from a weekend of camping... Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:57:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Choices, njc > Laurent> Don't worry about equating your experience, it shows no disrespect. > I would like to hear more about your experience. > So please tell us more.> there was a time in my life when i chose to live very simply...i meditated twice a day, had very few possessions (though always my guitar!), no electricity, no phone, no car, etc...my home was very simple- a tipi or small cabin...this was not poland or even northern usa, it was california but cold enough in winter to freeze & snow & 100 in summer...anyway i lived close to the earth & the elements for years & i discovered i could sort of leave my body when i felt discomforts...i don't really advise this kind of behavior as i have over the years had to learn how important it is to listen to our bodies when they send us messages...also, i was in my early 20's...i'm not sure i could do it as easily now, or that it would be healthy to do so... another aspect is that i recall being able to generate a certain amount of internal heat when cold (this i have done recently too)...& it reminds me of a common martial arts excercise- have someone try to lift you off the ground while you are putting all of your energy upwards, thinking of yourself very light as a feather...then again when you put all of your energy into the ground, thinking of yourself as very heavy & weighted...its a remarkable display of the power of thoughts... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:16:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: It's 'madding' crowd njc bjcalvin@pa.net, thank you for the quote & definition...i did, however, use the word i intended to as it is how i felt about the crowd... maddening wordplay, creative expression & all that, you know...;~} kate www.katebennett.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of clip_image002.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:16:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni vs. Laura- trade offer i have laura's debut cd (not a copy)...i just bought it (i think it has extra tracks)...i'd love to trade to someone for something i don't have...i like laura but just don't care for this record...please don't throw tomatoes! i'd rather someone have it who would enjoy it & maybe i can get something in trade that i would enjoy more...my most desired item would be patty griffin's silver bell (unreleased) if anyone happens to have gotten their mits on that one... kate www.katebennett.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of clip_image002.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:22:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: It's 'madding' crowd njc oh, so that was what that post was all about. i thought it was a message that had strayed from the eng lit discussion list. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kate Bennett Enviado el: Lunes, 07 de Julio de 2003 05:17 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: It's 'madding' crowd njc bjcalvin@pa.net, thank you for the quote & definition...i did, however, use the word i intended to as it is how i felt about the crowd... maddening wordplay, creative expression & all that, you know...;~} kate www.katebennett.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of clip_image002.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:27:26 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: 22 jnc so the years spin by and now our love is twenty two though our dreams have gained some grandeur coming true there'll be new dreams, better dreams, and plenty before the last revolving year is through ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:36:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: 22 jnc COLIN, IT'S TRUE! i've just looked at my last year's book and there it was: "july 7, colin's anniversary". i am so sad that i failed to copy it into this year's book. my dear colin, a big hug to you and john, whom i've never met but who I KNOW is wonderful man. long live long-lived love! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de tantra-apso Enviado el: Lunes, 07 de Julio de 2003 06:27 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: 22 jnc so the years spin by and now our love is twenty two though our dreams have gained some grandeur coming true there'll be new dreams, better dreams, and plenty before the last revolving year is through ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:43:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 22 jnc --- tantra-apso wrote: > so the years spin by > and now our love is twenty two > though our dreams have gained some grandeur coming > true > there'll be new dreams, better dreams, and plenty > before the last revolving year is through Didn't you just have an anniversary? Like a year ago? My, how the time flies. Congrats to you and John - sounds like you've both got a good thing there! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 22 jnc Arrr! That should've been njc so I apologize (so does Colin, I hope!) to the joni-onlies, but if I call it njc in the header, you won't get it. Life's dilemma, Colin's crappy typing and my failure to see the typo until after it had gone. --- Catherine McKay wrote: > - --- tantra-apso > wrote: > so the years spin by > > and now our love is twenty two > > though our dreams have gained some grandeur coming > > true > > there'll be new dreams, better dreams, and plenty > > before the last revolving year is through > > Didn't you just have an anniversary? Like a year > ago? > My, how the time flies. Congrats to you and John - > sounds like you've both got a good thing there! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:09:54 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura trade offer Hi Kate and all, Laura's debut "CD" was released by Columbia and called "The First Songs." Is this the one you speak of? I know "Eli" "Tendaberry" and "Gonna Take A Miracle" have all been re-released with extra tracks but am not aware of that happening with "The First Songs" so far. In actuality, her debut "album" (vinyl) was first released on Verve titled "More Than A New Discovery" then re-released on Verve as simply "Laura Nyro" and then Columbia apparently bought the rights and again re-titled it "The First Songs" and released it on CD." As far as Laura and Joni go, I love them both so much! My two faves of all time. I hope we continue to see more releases of Laura's performances and material as time passes; and I thank God Joni is still here to grace us with more gifts!! (At least I hope she will) Best to you! Gary Zack Kate Bennett wrote: >>i have laura's debut cd (not a copy)...i just bought it (i think it has >>extra tracks)...i'd love to trade to someone for something i don't have...i >>like laura but just don't care for this record...please don't throw >>tomatoes! i'd rather someone have it who would enjoy it & maybe i can get >>something in trade that i would enjoy more...my most desired item would be >>patty griffin's silver bell (unreleased) if anyone happens to have gotten >>their mits on that one... >> >> >> >> kate >>www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:46:29 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: my evening, njc Great story Lama but it WAS Help Me was it not?? Maybe you just felt like a free man in Paris, but I digress. Anyway, nice try Kakki, BUT she's Mrs. New Orleans unfortunately, but she is beautiful and will make a great buddy to have in Honduras. Thanks for playing, Love Paz > Lama asked for mystical explanation: > >> It was Joni's "Free Man in Paris" from 'COURT AND SPARK'. The scalp on > the >> back of my neck went crazy. I smiled. Yeah, it's some kind of sign. > Sure. >> Onward. >> >> I shuffled a few more steps then stopped again. It seemed like someone > was >> trying to get my attention. You know what I mean. That feeling that > you're >> missing something. Like an old friend from school is right beside you but >> you haven't noticed yet. > > I think it means you will soon be sharing a wonderful fish dinner with > someone from out of town who will become a hot summer crush with whom you > will have some memorable make-out sessions. Hmmmm......maybe Miss New > Orleans? Keep us posted. Heehee. > > Dr. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:50:35 EDT From: bra811@aol.com Subject: Re: joni vs. laura In a message dated 7/7/03 12:00:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kakki writes: > It's a valid argument although I've personally settled the quandry by > regarding them as equally great but totally different (or unique in that > they are incomparable to most). I agree with Kakki on this. Both New York Tendaberry and Hejira are among my all-time top 10 discs (along with Marvin Gaye' What's Going On, The Beatles "White Album," Are You Experienced...) "Equally great, totally different." Who could choose which artist is "implicitly superior?" Who would want to, when you can have them all? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:56:47 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: joni vs. laura I'm new here, but two of my most sublime concert experiences were Joni in '68 at the Cellar Door in Washington & Laura Nyro, same 300 seat club a couple of years later. Richard Flynn - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of bra811@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:51 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: joni vs. laura In a message dated 7/7/03 12:00:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kakki writes: > It's a valid argument although I've personally settled the quandry by > regarding them as equally great but totally different (or unique in that > they are incomparable to most). I agree with Kakki on this. Both New York Tendaberry and Hejira are among my all-time top 10 discs (along with Marvin Gaye' What's Going On, The Beatles "White Album," Are You Experienced...) "Equally great, totally different." Who could choose which artist is "implicitly superior?" Who would want to, when you can have them all? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:03:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni vs. laura In a message dated 7/7/2003 8:51:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bra811@aol.com writes: > Who > would want to, when you can have them all? > Well stated, Robert, and certainly the truth. I was playing Monopoly last night, and in my CD changer I was enjoying a random mix of Joni (Court & Spark), Radiohead (Hail To The Thief), Victor Johnson (Parsonage Lane), Alana Davis (Fortune Cookie) and live Son Volt, and it was a very enjoyable combo. Victor, your CD fit in just fine with C&S, and that's saying a lot as that's a tall order. Everyone else playing also made good comments about it; of course that didn't stop them from wiping me out quickly. (I gambled on the red properties and nobody landed on them after I broke myself putting up houses...oh well). But I digress...what was I talking about? Oh yeah, the "music as competition" thingy. It's silly...is it just America that's so damned competitive with everything or is that a world culture? I suspect it's worldwide given what I know about soccer/football matches. We seem obsessed with top ten lists, and what's the best/most popular...whatever. I've never once in my life given a poo-tinkly second's time to wondering who was "better" between Joni & Laura Nyro. Now I'd probably bet on Laura if they were to rumble*, but it would depend on what kind of shoes Joni was wearing. Bob NP: Ani, "What How When Where" *assuming that Laura was alive which I know that she is not and I don't mean any disrepect towards either artist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:15:22 -0700 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: joni vs. laura Wow Richard, what great shows those must have been! I know it's a long time ago, but do you remember anything in particular about either of those concerts? Best regards, Gary Richard Flynn wrote: >I'm new here, but two of my most sublime concert experiences were Joni in >'68 at the Cellar Door in Washington & Laura Nyro, same 300 seat club a >couple of years later. > >Richard Flynn > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >bra811@aol.com >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:51 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: joni vs. laura > > >In a message dated 7/7/03 12:00:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kakki writes: > >>It's a valid argument although I've personally settled the quandry by >>regarding them as equally great but totally different (or unique in that >>they are incomparable to most). >> > >I agree with Kakki on this. Both New York Tendaberry and Hejira are among >my all-time top 10 discs (along with Marvin Gaye' What's Going On, The >Beatles "White Album," Are You Experienced...) "Equally great, totally >different." Who could choose which artist is "implicitly superior?" Who >would want to, when you can have them all? > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:05:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni vs. laura In a message dated 7/7/2003 8:58:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > two of my most sublime concert experiences were Joni in > '68 at the Cellar Door in Washington &Laura Nyro, same 300 seat club a > couple of years later. > Man, that's pretty darn cool Richard!! Welcome to the list and thanks for the intro. Please send me recordings of these two shows stat! ;~) I'd love to hear more about the Joni gig if you have strong memories of it. I myself didn't see her live until '98. Bob NP: Ani, "To The Teeth" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:12:23 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: joni vs. laura I do remember a great deal & will share tomorrow on the list. I have friends over right now. So, till later. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:06 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: joni vs. laura In a message dated 7/7/2003 8:58:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > two of my most sublime concert experiences were Joni in > '68 at the Cellar Door in Washington &Laura Nyro, same 300 seat club a > couple of years later. > Man, that's pretty darn cool Richard!! Welcome to the list and thanks for the intro. Please send me recordings of these two shows stat! ;~) I'd love to hear more about the Joni gig if you have strong memories of it. I myself didn't see her live until '98. Bob NP: Ani, "To The Teeth" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:17:35 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Goin' to JoniFest Hi to all, I just found out that my granddaughter's birthday party will be held the week BEFORE JoniFest, allowing me to make it over there for Saturday & Sunday. I was afraid I might only have been able to make it for one day at most, working around a tedious family & driving schedule. Now, I'm really getting psyched for the Fest and looking forward to meeting some of you that I've previously only chatted with through e-mails and the fan site. All we need now is good weather, right? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:17:42 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #216 In a message dated 7/7/03 3:01:02 AM, Kakki writes: << rom: "kakki" Subject: Re: Joni vs. Laura Murphy quoted: > "The music of Laura Nyro, who still lacks her rightful place in rock history, > 'happens to be the most original, resourceful and powerful composed by any > woman in the field of popular music over the last 50 years' - implicitly > superior, in other words, to that of the more feted Joni Mitchell." It's a valid argument although I've personally settled the quandry by regarding them as equally great but totally different (or unique in that they are incomparable to most). I think that opinions like this one from Hoskins may come from the fact that Laura has been generally less feted than Joni and therefore has become the underdog that many wish to root for. Joni mostly exceeds Laura in lyrics and mostly equals Laura in music. Laura sometimes greatly exceeds Joni in performance and in the originality of her musical compositions. It's a push. ;-) Kakki >> Fine observation and astute assessment, Kakki. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:17:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: my evening, njc duh. i failed the joni mitchell trivia test. i also had 2 of my auctions cancelled on ebay this past weekend (first time ever). i also lost 2 actions i've been watching all week, the only 2 i was bidding on. scary. gees, i must be at death's doorstep or something. whoa. i'm gonna check three times before crossing the street. i'm gonna be extra nice to everyone. i was alarmed last night and it's worse today. until this spell breaks i'm gonna type in all lowercase and positively no exclamation marks. ladies, this may be my last jonifest because at the rate i'm going, i'm gonna be dead soon. topic for 2004: will the lama be unbroken? discuss. i can see it now. i'll be looking down on the paramedics as they put a sheet over my face. one of them says, 'gees, for 47, he sure has a full head of hair......' lama > From: Susan Guzzi [mailto:groovchacha@yahoo.com] > I dont recall these words in "Free Man in Paris." I seem > to recall them as the lyrics to > "HELP ME!" And somebody please help Lama! LOL! Please Lama - > it IS a sign - NO more jaywalking > - promise?! > > Oh well back to reality for all today ... the sign here is ... we > are just that much closer to > FEST!!! Woooo Hooooo! > > Peace, > Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: joni vs. laura --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I'm new here, but two of my most sublime concert > experiences were Joni in > '68 at the Cellar Door in Washington & Laura Nyro, > same 300 seat club a > couple of years later. > Wow! Lucky you! Welcome to the list. I don't suppose anyone knows whether or not Joni and Laura ever met (?) I believe one of Joni's top picks (was it 12? whatever - some number!) was Laura's "Captain for dark mornings" (or was it "Captain St Lucifer"?) Yes indeed. How do you compare these two women? Both so different and each one completely unique. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:31:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest NJC In a message dated 7/7/2003 10:19:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PassScribe@aol.com writes: > All we need now is good weather, right? The weather doesn't really matter, Kenny...we had some rain last year and it didn't dampen the spirit at all, we were playing music & singing and talking and all that other good stuff, and it didn't bother things a bit. I'm psyched that you're coming - good news! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:15:24 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Joni w/ Laura Nyro OK--first, a slight bit of background: I was a precocious folkie. I started playing guitar at age 8 (in 1963)and grew from the Kingston Trio to Peter Paul and Mary to Bob Dylan to Ian& Sylvia, Buffy Sainte Marie, Eric Andersen, Tom Rush, etc. so I was anticipating Joni's first album for two years from the age of 11 till the age of 13 when "Song for a Seagull/Joni Mitchell" was first released. I wrote to an address in _Sing Out_ Magazine for lead sheets and chords to her songs & never heard back. In '68, I got my first permanent guitar, having proved to my parents I was serious after 5 years worth of playing, a Martin D-28 (I was a very privileged child). A couple of months later Joni's debut album finally appeared. Ii started playing on the local coffee house circuit, encouraged by older friends who were impressed by my having figured out Joni's tunings, and just for the novelty of a 13-year-old boy playing & singing those songs well in 1968-69. Anyway, I had long made a habit of convincing my indulgent parents to take me to the Cellar Door, a club in Georgetown in DC with about 300 seats to see Ian& Sylvia, Judy Collins, & many other acts, some of whom were well known, but had a standing contract with the club they couldn't get out of. Joni performed between her debut album and the release of "Clouds" in a red velvet dress (playing what I remember as a D-28, I could be wrong) and was everything that my 13-year- old self could possibly wish for, I subsequently saw her in '74 w. the Tom Scott band and in 79 (?) with Jaco Pastorius and Pat Metheny at Merriweather Post Pavilion in Columbia, MD. She also provided kind of a soundtrack to my life for quite awhile. My first ever girlfriend I had loved from age 15-17 broke up with me while we were listening to "For the Roses." I only saw Laura Nyro that once, in about 1970 at the same small club. I got an older friend to take me & it was truly sublime. She, too, was in a velvet dress--black, but reminiscent of the Joni experience 2 years earlier. The passion, and pyrotechnical piano were surely impressive and while then I didn't' compare her performance with Joni's, now I would have to say that Joni was cool and folky while Laura was hot and passionate and soulful. But for me then and now it wasn't/isn't a hierarchical thing. There was a range of what was acceptable then that I truly believe was much broader then than it is now. But maybe I'm just a 48-year-old fogie/folkie. That said, seeing those two artists in a club during their primes (or at least one of their primes) is something I won't ever forget. Best, Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:35:18 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest Kenny B writes: << All we need now is good weather, right? >> Any weather is great for Covers Frisbee, Kenny! I'm glad you can make it. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:43:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: my evening, njc Lama writes: << gees, i must be at death's doorstep or something. >> Head for the light, Jim . . . head for the light . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:27:47 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: my evening, njc Spin Bloodrocks' "DOA" > i'll be looking down on the paramedics as they put a sheet over my face. > one of them says, 'gees, for 47, he sure has a full head of hair......' Fade to black....NOT! Snap out of it! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:29:21 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest Great Kenny this is wonderful news. Weather would be good but how about some more listers to the fest. Come on ya'll. It's getting close and we still have a few berths to fill. Besides Murph's bed of course. Paz > Hi to all, > I just found out that my granddaughter's birthday party will be held the > week BEFORE JoniFest, allowing me to make it over there for Saturday & Sunday. > I was afraid I might only have been able to make it for one day at most, > working around a tedious family & driving schedule. Now, I'm really getting > psyched for the Fest and looking forward to meeting some of you that I've > previously only chatted with through e-mails and the fan site. > All we need now is good weather, right? > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:43:26 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Raycharles Lamontagne NJC Hi Erica Thanks for the tip on this guy. I think he sounds like the bastard son of Ryan Adams and David Gray. I like his voice a lot and enjoyed reading the press about him. You ought to get him to Jonifest so we can check him out live. Best Paz > Hello all, > > I've been lurking for an eternity, but finally have a reason to dive right > in!! > Has anyone heard of Raycharles Lamontagne, he's a singer song writer from > the Portland, Maine area and is about to be signed onto some lable out of > LA. He is incredible. Obviously all of us hear love good music and I > personally think this guy is the real deal, so if you don't like him you can > completely blame me for wasing your time :) He was actually named after a > baseball player from the '50's, despite the huge musical implications his > name carries. I hope this link works because I'd love to share this with > everyone......a friend of mine simply emailed them and asked for a disc and > received a home made burned one in the mail. He's not doing Joni covers yet, > but hell I'd be psyched to hear that. > > http://www.raycharleslamontagne.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:43:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Goin' to JoniFest -- NJC Paz writes: << we still have a few berths to fill. Besides Murph's bed of course >> You all know the drill: Take a number and be patient. Sex is my art, so I do take my time with it. Some festers like extras, such as Jimmy's request for a Round the World, which takes even more time. I will also be demonstrating tantric sex during morning yoga, so remember . . . patience is a virtue. In fact, it's MY only virtue so no cutting in line and no complaining. You'll all get done sooner or later. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:02:28 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: July 8 1968: Joni performed tonight at the Bitter End in New York City. Also on the bill were Bunky & Jake and David Steinberg. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:02:28 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 8 On July 8 the following articles were published: 2000: "Another side of Joni" - Vancouver Sun (Opinion) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=588 2001: "It's Only Rhyming Quatrains, but I Like It: Do Songs Succeed as Poetry" - New York Times Magazine (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=651 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #351 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)