From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #340 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 28 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 340 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc at last 6-3 court ruling ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Mercantile question [Ruth Davis ] the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears ["Jerry Notaro" ] RE: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears ["Robert Argento" ] Rufus Wainwright on Letterman tonight [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] The "missing music" from DTY [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: bloody funny [Catherine McKay ] Perma-vine rules [Rick and Susan ] Today's Library Links: June 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:16:32 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: njc at last 6-3 court ruling I love this! > << The Christian Right must be livid... >> > > Now that it's legal, I hope they take this opportunity to f*ck > themselves! Intentional or not, it's beautiful synchronicity that the Court's decision happened two days before the 34th anniversary of the Stonewall riots (June 28, 1969). Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:56:10 GMT From: Ruth Davis Subject: Re: Mercantile question Thanks for the info, Randy. I guess I'll stop feeling guilty for buying "previously owned" Joni CD's. She's not doing too shabby! Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:46:31 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears "Anyone can write a boring artistic song. Pop music is the hardest shit to write." - - Britney Spears (Rolling Stone, page 18, July 12th, 2003.) Lord, save us. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears njc --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > "Anyone can write a boring artistic song. Pop music > is the hardest shit > to write." > - Britney Spears (Rolling Stone, page 18, July 12th, > 2003.) > > Lord, save us. If the emphasis is on *shit*, she couldn't be more right. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:32:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears In a message dated 6/27/2003 12:47:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > Pop music is the hardest shit > to write." > Well, there's some truth & merit to what she says...if writing a classic pop song like Buddy Holly & John Lennon & Paul McCartney & Carole King did repeatedly, then EVRYONE would do it. However, I would suggest that Britney has yet to do it. Joni struggled with writing hit songs...albeit she didn't try really, but I think her writing habits were so complex and literary, she almost was unable to "dumb it down" for pop music. Don't take that to mean that pop is dumb or easy, it's just a whole different level of writing than writing the kind of stuff that Joni does...or should I say ....did. :~( Bob NP: Finch, "What It Is To Burn" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:36:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears In a message dated 6/27/2003 2:34:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > if writing a classic pop > song like Buddy Holly &John Lennon &Paul McCartney &Carole King did > repeatedly, then EVRYONE would do it. Meant to say..."if it was EASY, then everyone would do it".... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:40:38 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: erika luckett NJC because i'm a techno-nincompoop, i don't think this post i sent yesterday ever got thru. erika's great, so i'm trying again.... ************************************* my new find. wow!! a big measure of "alt country" flavored with blues and a little jazz, and an incredible voice! (ron, i like her for the same reasons i like rory.) http://www.erikaluckett.com/ - her webpage http://www.pastemusic.com/product/550 - a couple of mp3s for the newest album http://www.californiaaggie.com/_articles/4917.taf - a nice review enjoy - cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:18:51 -0400 From: "Robert Argento" Subject: RE: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears Dear Britney, Igoring the difficulties of WRITING music and poetry and the combination thereof, and even ignoring the methods and talents used to make them popular, I would venture to say that it is much more difficult to UNDERSTAND and therefore appreciate these "boring and artistic" songs than to consume/absorb popular music. It is very seldom, indeed, that art, especially of the more intellectual sort, is understood by the the majority of people, in any culture. If that was so we would all be quite a a lot wiser and quite a lot mellower. Someone once said that "Football is ALSO culture". I suppose that is a matter of definition - but to me art is something that makes my soul grow and awakens in me a deeper sense of being. Yes, I may watch an occasional football game and even listen to Britney now and again, but certainly not to fertilize the soul. Robban > -----Original Message----- > From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro > Sent: den 27 juni 2003 12:47 > To: 'Joni' > Subject: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears > > > "Anyone can write a boring artistic song. Pop music is the > hardest shit to write." > - Britney Spears (Rolling Stone, page 18, July 12th, 2003.) > > Lord, save us. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:39:26 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: the art of songwriting, via Britney Spears The girl is obviously retarded, which had escaped me until now. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:43:05 -0400 From: Claud9 Subject: "Stryngs" CD -NJC Another great album!!!! www.stryngs.com. I have been meaning to write about the debut Stryngs album ever since it arrived in April. Now that I have a bit of extra time, I finally managed to give in to that nagging urge ;-) I ordered StryngsCD not only because I9ve met Chris (Marshall) at previous JMDL fests and know him to be a fabulous bass player and a fellow sensitive musical soul, but also because after a short listening to some of the cuts on the Stryngs web site (www.stryngs.com) I was thoroughly excited to hear the rest. I was not disappointed. Exactly the opposite, I was pleasantly surprised beyond what I had already anticipated to be good. I can only say that the songs, the production, the lyrics, the musicianship is on a level equal with the best of what I have in my collection. That morning after the CD9s arrival, I listened to the album several times in a row. I even listened to it with headphones while enjoying a bicycle ride through the country side. I was really impressed. Already the first song confirmed my expectations. The accomplished playing on the part of Chris (fretted and fretless bass) and Martin Giles (guitar, piano) is subdued without holding back on their awesome talent. These players definitely understand how to make room and complement the musical focal point-- Strings voice, rich and powerful while at the same time soft and mysterious, and the stories she tells. Their dynamic sounds blend together fluidly to create dynamic textures supportive of these stories. The addition of violin and harmony vocals on some of the songs are a perfect fit and add new emotional depth and sparkle. The entire album is a solidly crafted structure with songs ranging from ballads to rockers; tied together by Strings voice, rhythmical and melodious arrangements, and a production that is sensitive to each player as part of greater sound scape. Each song has a way of hooking you to it and holding you there. Particularly the second song on the album, Frank9s song, pulled immediately at my heart strings and moved me to tears. It is evidence to Stryngs lyrical strengths, since the topic could easily lend itself to trite sentimentalism. But instead, Stryngs crafted a touching and wonderful story that circumvented clichis with poetic directness that I experience as refreshing and rare. The story and music wedded magically and and it continues to touch me. On consecutive listening while carefully reading the lyrics, I discovered many more lyrical gems that added to my appreciation of each song. This album may not be everyone9s cup of tea, but considering this community9s overlapping musical tastes, I thought I share with you my thoughts about this album. I think it is certainly one to check out, which can be done on their web site ( a great site with lots of sound clips and neat stories). I am always delighted to read and know about musicians like this, who manage to produce something so beautiful without being a cog in something turning, such as the mainstream music industry. I would easily guess that this album could be a gem for many others. I know it will stick with me for a long time. I am also really looking forward to the rare opportunity to hear the band at this years Northeast Jonifest. I think it is wonderful that Chris, Martin, and Strings are coming this far to share their music with us. A rare treat. Can9t wait!!!!!!! Claud9 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:28:44 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Rufus Wainwright on Letterman tonight [NJC] Rufus Wainwright will be performing a song from his new double-CD album, to release soon, called "Want". The guest host for the evening is Jimmy Fallon, and they're pals in real life, so..it should be a hoot. ~Richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:03:33 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: eastmountainsouth NJC Kate, I finally got around to listening to this! They are great!! Ordering their CD now...... Thanks! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:59:18 +1000 From: ash Subject: bloody funny Hi from a Wintery Tasmania!! me?...Ashley 45..living in Australia for 18 years now, escaped a Thatcher Manchester/London UK. I have been receiving your emails since April and have found great amusement in reading them! Joni or Joan has always been in the background of my music listening, I was brought up on classical, Movie scores, Blues, Jazz, Pop, Rock N Roll and Musicals. In England I have been thru Rock, Folk, Glam Rock, Disco,Punk, New Wave, Heavy Metal, Celtic, techno the whole Gamut/range..so open to anything that lifts the spirit. On arrival in Australia...my record (those flat black frisbee things) buying was curtailed by having a family and also missing the John Peel show ( a late night BBC radio show..still going?) for any musical guidance. I would however see the odd CD, record or cassette to put in the gaps of my music collection. So in February this year a friend at work said he had recorded a show from the TV the night before.....so I watched the TV show and was about to switch off when the Isle of Wight Festival came on...(yes he had recorded over it!!) and there was Joni Mitchell...I am ashamed to say...my 1st thought was..."bloomin hippie" (er maybe I should explain in 1970...I was trying to be cool...Love, Doors, Free, Zapa?,Airplane...yes all my mates sisters collection, I was more in to the Beatles than the Stones.....long hair, Afghan coat, flairs..age 13 with acoustic guitar which I could not play and saying 'Way out maaan' and 'cool daddyo' all this in a very cold INDUSTRIAL Stockport/Manchester weather...bbrrrr .....at this period....skin heads were in and hippies were beaten up!!!).. but I watched Joni/Joan on that stage on the video and when she spoke to the crowd "Listen a minute, will ya?" etc....well my neck hair stood up....wow..such power...I replayed that tape over and over and showed the kids it ( 11, 14 and a 16 year old) at this time the oldest said hey she has ripped off the people singing Yellow Taxi!!...ahh well! So down to the book shop/store and ordered books on Joni/Joan....Karen O'Brien's and Brian Hinton's...all these I found interesting...but seem to dwell on Joni/Joan's love life a bit much and found she is a day after my birthday.....I knew it!...we were soul mates... :) LOL!!! I then looked at my record collection......(women singers) Clannad, Corrs, Kate Bush, Bangles, Go Gos, Judi Tzuke, Jewel, Pat Benatar, Heart, Stevie Nicks, Annie Haslem (Renaissance) Sandy Denny, Maddy Prior..alas no Joni..so went around all my friends (mainly their wives/partners) and a few did have some 'of those Joni Mitchell records somewhere'...!!!!!!! So I ordered a few CDs and sat down and really listened to her music......something I had not done in years (last time in the mid 70's?) armed with record sleeve song sheets, the 2 biographies.....a sunlit Saturday morning over looking a harbour/port view, decent coffee, a comfy chair, headphones and wife and kids out at sport, for most of the day. To say this was magical, is an understatement...it was breath taking, an emotional journey..all those feelings of being a hippy in my teens and now a semi greenie....well it confirmed that the 70's I despised were not that bad and the musical voice I was searching for was Ms. Mitchell's (yes I had tinkered with Marianne Faithfull..tut tut), but to move me like that was so amazing. So after this....I surfed the net for anything on Joni/Joan and found you lot!! I hope this is not to boring??? Ash also my wife thinks I am potty..for having this 'thing' about Ms Mitchell..but as I have too few vices...she is okay about this (yes I have this 'thing' about Greta Scacchi too....well I met her once in London...well I think I did!!)..But If I met Ms Mitchell?.....I would just nod...she would know...that I thought of her as brilliant... I just thought I would write this!!!!!!! Loved the comment on the Christian Right.....ooops!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:35:30 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: The "missing music" from DTY As many of you know, I was searching for the (piano) sheet music for "Down To You" for quite some time before several fans sent me copies from books they had. Someone not even related to the Joni fan movement read of my search and actually went to a library, found a book with that song in it and photocopied/sent me another copy. To all who helped me in this endeavor, I thank you... music lovers are the greatest! However, none of the sheet music I've received for DTY has that great opening piano solo that most of us love so much; there are eight missing measures. I asked my piano teacher, Colleen, if she could help me transcribe it from the actual song. She accepted the challenge and even worked on the task at home (is she a great teacher or WHAT?) I now have the missing music that she has written down which segues perfectly into the brief piano solo that IS at the beginning of the published sheet music. It should be noted that Colleen is not even a huge Joni fan but she absolutely LOVES this song and thinks this opening is especially beautiful. If anyone would like a copy, simply e-mail me with your name & address and I'll send it out to you. I imagine some of you, who are accomplished pianists, could probably listen to the song and duplicate that beginning yourselves. But if you can't (or if you're like me and like to have a COMPLETE copy of everything) then you may want this addition for your collection. Keep in mind; I listened to her play it and it sounds pretty "right" to me but Colleen's transcription may not be perfect. So, if I send you a copy and you think there's a wrong note or something, let me know; maybe between us all, we can come up with a perfect note-by-note transcription to fill the void on the original sheets. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:01:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bloody funny Welcome to the list, Ash. There are (or were) other Tazmaniacs on this list at one time. Maybe we scared them off? And you know, sooner or later, we all find our way back to Joni. Well, some of us do. The better ones. --- ash wrote: > Hi from a Wintery Tasmania!! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:51:26 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Perma-vine rules Could the person who initiated the Joni and James Perma-vine please send me a copy of the rules? I seem to have deleted all reference to it and I have a Perma-vine original disc and a burned copy to send off to someone. Thanks Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 02:11:47 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 28 On June 28 the following items were published: 1967: "$1.75 admission" - Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=642 2000: "Minutes" - Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=708 2000: "Saskatoon gallery hosts Joni Mitchell retrospective" - CBC Entertainment (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=530 2002: "Tower Pits the Garden Crowd Against Joni Mitchell Fans" - New York Times (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=900 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #340 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)