From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #333 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, June 21 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 333 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- san francisco njc ["Kate Bennett" ] cd offer njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: RE: Joni's funny ["ron" ] no driver on the top now njc ["ron" ] More on 'Down To You' ["ron" ] joni traders page NJC ["ron" ] Re: san francisco njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: More on 'Down To You' now the Bobs njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: History of the Haight - Janis and Big Bro (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Blame - Down to you ["michael o'malley" ] Re: More on 'Down To You' [Jenny Goodspeed ] Damien Rice njc [Jenny Goodspeed ] Rock Buddhists [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: You're funny, Joni [Ruth Davis ] Re: More on 'Down To You' [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: More of Joni's funny lines [Chrys Jordan ] Re: san francisco njc [dsk ] Re:Your'e funny, joni [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: NJC Veeector! ["Donna Binkley" ] Live THOSL ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Live THOSL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] October Project (NJC) ["Music Is Special" ] Fw: Joni relocates to Canada? ["Music Is Special" Subject: san francisco njc >P.S. to Wally K - you would love and never leave San Francisco if you ever get there. It's indescribable - plus it is fecking freezing COLD like ten months of the year! ;-< i had to chime in hear to agree with kakki that wally i think you'd adore san francisco...as cities go, i do love nyc but i love san francisco even more! www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:22:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: cd offer njc thanks to all the wonderful folks who bought cds over the past couple of weeks, i will be sending the profits to ashara to help with the jonifest scholarship fund! one last reminder: this offer is good til june 30...& its good for jeff's cd as well as mine... you have to buy it from www.cdbaby.com .... do a search for kate bennett or jeff bisch make sure you note that you are a jmdl member as well! www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:44:32 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Subject: RE: Joni's funny hi "he gave me back my smile but he kept my camera to sell" ron np jeff beck - jeffs blues ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:03:15 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: no driver on the top now njc hi >>>>kennyB wrote >>>>But I especially like the voices in the background, going, "what? ... no driver on the top?" & how sad is it that my one of schooldays heroes cheech marin has gone from the wonderful cheech & chong & appearing on joni albums to acting as a cop on a corny tv series with don johnson......... ron np - tom waits - live in den haag - 21.07.99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:20:33 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: More on 'Down To You' hi well - i always loved down to you. pretty much the same as i loved the whole of C&S. but with the discussions on this list, and going back & listening carefully i have come to the conclusion that this is one of the greatest songs ever written by anyone anywhere anytime. problem is i cant listen in public anymore. the song gets me right down deep & i just get too emotional. its a song about loneliness. down to you - theres nobody else down to you - youre the bottom of the pile down to you - only you can do something about it ron np - tom waits - den haag 21.07.99 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:25:09 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni traders page NJC hi im sitting here listening to a really great live recording of tom waits. we all pretty much know that we can get joni live recordings on the list. but there are plenty of other people with plenty of other live shows and/or out of print albums. what about a jmdl traders page - perhaps a consolidated list of what available & details of folks who would be willing to make them available for b&p or trade??? ron np - still tom live in den haag ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:24:20 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: san francisco njc > i had to chime in hear to agree with kakki that wally i think you'd adore > san francisco...as cities go, i do love nyc but i love san > francisco even > more! Charles Kuralt, the CBS broadcaster who did the "On The Road" series for so long, visited every pocket of the US and said that San Francisco was his #1 favorite spot. Bob NP: Stones, "Shame Shame Shame" 9/18/97 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:28:32 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: More on 'Down To You' now the Bobs njc In a message dated 6/19/2003 11:44:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > --Bob (the REAL nice one) Boy, I knew he was getting on in years, but I had no idea the dementia was so advanced. The poor fellow thinks he's ME! Let's all keep him in our thoughts and prayers. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:31:40 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: History of the Haight - Janis and Big Bro (njc) In a message dated 6/20/2003 1:13:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Should be Country Joe - geez. County Joe sounds like the > Sheriff! This made me LOL, Kakki. I think I voted for County Joe matter of fact! :~) Glad to see you back - I had just assumed you were once again covered up with work. Thanks for your reporting on this cool event, and hats off to Darice! Bob NP: Stones, "Start Me Up" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:37:27 -0400 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Re: Blame - Down to you 'You brush against a stranger and you BOTH apologize', recognizing that this self-blame is shared by just about everyone. I don't see the apology as self-blame. For me, it's more like dramatic irony - feeling the need for connection, then noticing the different and seemingly arbitrary ways in which we connect (or not) with one another. For example, after spending the night with a stranger, in the morning she finds herself alone again. She is watching the other couples in the street, and has a momentary connection with a stranger (a man, one assumes). Although the connection is superficial (yet intimate), ettiquette requires an apology. In another circumstance, such as a bar, there may have been a different exchange and conclusion. I've also always thought of this song as Joni,'s resignation to the fact that we must ultimately take our share of responsibility for the quality of our relationships, but no blame for what we can and cannot feel. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: More on 'Down To You' It is exquisite isn't it? I find it running through my head more than any other Joni song. And I am awestruck at the way the music evokes the same feeling as the lyric. Just hearing the opening notes on the piano causes my heart ache. And yes, the self-blame - though I never thought of it as paranoia. It always resonated with me as something (warning: broad generalization based on gender ahead) that women have a particular knack for - which is blaming themselves for the end of a relationship. I made my baby say goodbye... kind of thing. The truth is every time I hear it, I get something different out of it and *that* is why Joni is simply the best. Jenny SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: This song continues to run through my head...the musical textures and especially the words. It is SUCH a masterpiece of a song... I think that inasmuch as it's about the unsatisfying nature of a one-night stand in response to lost love, I think that basically it's a song about paranoia and about blaming yourself for things that go wrong. This line is so telling: 'Old friends seem indifferent, YOU must have brought this on' Not just that things are bad, but that YOU are to blame. And then additionally, 'You brush against a stranger and you BOTH apologize', recognizing that this self-blame is shared by just about everyone. Even the title decries the song's paranoia...as if it could have just as easily been titled 'It's all your fault' but of course Joni chooses a phrase that has so much more depth than that. Amazing. Bob NP: Stones, "You Don't Have To Mean It" "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 06:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Damien Rice njc Last night I was coming home very late from a rehearsal and as I pulled in the driveway a song came on the radio I had never heard - and though I was exhausted, it was so unique and good I had to sit in the car and listen to the whole thing and find out who the heck it was....It was Damien Rice, of course. You can always count on the JMDL to find great new music, can't you? Jenny "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:02:49 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Rock Buddhists Hi, dears! Very little Joni content indeed: Let me translate you from today's El Pai's: << The fascination for buddhism that many rockers develop is a worth study phenomenon. For enlarge that conection between prince Shakyamuni Buddha and electric guitars a double album is going to see the light, The Great Stupa, with 35 artists attracted by this faith; among others, Sting, Joni Mitchell, Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris, Flatlanders, Beausoleil, blues guitarist Rubben Ford or, naturally, canadian Leonard Cohen, who spent good part of 90's decade locked up in a buddhist sanctuary. The work takes its title from greatest buddhist shrine in Occident (besides Rocky Mountains, near Denver) and as colophon includes a posthumous recording of Allen Ginsberg, A Western Ballad >> I wonder: wich SIQUOMB's song will include? Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano from Galicia NP: La solitude, Barbara PS: Bob Murphy, if not for you, that wonderful list would be a desert, a waste land, a gloomy place. Many thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:06:35 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Damien Rice njc In a message dated 6/20/2003 8:49:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > You can always count on the JMDL to find great new music, > can't you? Amen! I'm gonna pick that one up today along with the new Radiohead & the new BRUUUUCE Cockburn. Bob NP: Stones, "Honky Tonk Women" Leeds 3/13/71 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:02:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Buddhists -- NJC Emiliano writes: << PS: Bob Murphy, if not for you, that wonderful list would be a desert, a waste land, a gloomy place. Many thanks! >> Brilliant post, Emiliano! Thanks! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Funny Joni Someone may have quoted this already, but I've always liked, "An angry man is just an angry man/An angry woman - BITCH!" Larry D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:54:42 GMT From: Ruth Davis Subject: Re: You're funny, Joni I always thought this was funny: He picks up my scent on his fingers, while he's watching the waitress's legs! Also from Hejira: Well you can tell those girls that you've got German measles, Honey, tell 'em you've got germs (i.e., the Clap) I think Joni has a killer sense of humor. If you get too solemn when you listen to her, you could miss it. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:00:41 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: More on 'Down To You' In a message dated 6/20/2003 8:43:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com writes: > And I am awestruck at the way the music evokes the same feeling as the lyric. Just hearing the opening notes on the > piano causes my heart ache. I guess that's what happens when you compose the music first (as Joni typically does) and then really *feel* it and decide on how it makes you feel, what pictures it brings to mind. Anyway, thanks for the feminine insight. I too think it's always the girl's fault! ;~) Bob NP: Linda Ronstadt, "Walk On" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chrys Jordan Subject: Re: More of Joni's funny lines "I took a ferry to the highway, then drove to a pontoon plane; Took the plane to a taxi, and the taxi to a train. I've been travelling so long - how am I ever going to know my home When I see it again?" SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:33:59 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: san francisco njc San Francisco is paradise! How's that for enthusiasm for a place? About 10 years ago I was there in May staying with one of my sisters and her husband, who've since moved from there (darn), and I fell in love with the place. I loved hanging off the cable cars and going down hills steeper than any I'd ever seen, and seeing the water in the distance, and loved the touches of beauty everywhere, colorful tiles on the stair risers of the front stoops of houses, for example, and the people there loved their city and were extremely friendly and very happy showing it off to tourists visiting it, so it was a wonderful time in every way. And the weather was perfect (I thought) all month long, sunny and about 70 F during the day and cool at night, and it was so mysterious feeling and comforting being enveloped in the morning fog, every day. And then it burned away into gentle sunshine, ahhh. Paradise, it was paradise I tell ya. NYC is my first and true love when it comes to affection for cities, but there's no way I'd call it paradise. And to someone like Kakki from LA it probably did feel COLD. To someone like me who's spent time in the wind and snow of Massachusetts and New York, 40-50 degrees F at night is pleasantly crisp and a sunny 70 during the day is perfect. To someone from Canada, they'd probably be looking for a beach somewhere so they could cool off from those steamy San Francisco temps. Kakki, many thanks for your report. It sounds like a great time, apart from the brrrrr for you. Debra Shea Kate Bennett wrote: > > > Kakki: > > P.S. to Wally K - you would love and never leave San Francisco if you ever > > get there. It's indescribable - plus it is fecking freezing COLD like ten > > months of the year! ;-< > > i had to chime in hear to agree with kakki that wally i think you'd adore > san francisco...as cities go, i do love nyc but i love san francisco even > more! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:10:13 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re:Your'e funny, joni Marianne wrote: > Hi joni friends, > > I have been thinking about some Joni lines that make me laugh or smile. > What lines do you find to be funny ? I've always gotten a good chuckle out of; " Who left her long black hair In our bathtub drain ?" I've been known to laugh uncontrollably when joni sings; "Down the street comes last-word-Suzie - She's high yellow - lookin' top nice." and least i forget; "Walking with a man in a toupee And a man with his head shaved." Jonily yours, Warren Keith p.s. Sometimes it's the way she sings a line or phrase, and other times it is just that she has the nerve to even include it in a song ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:33:56 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC Veeector! Hi Victor! I received my copy of Parsonage Lane yesterday and have been listening to it all day!! I can't wait to hear these songs in person at Jonifest!! Kind of makes me wish we had the drummer now... You go boy! Donna >>> 6/19/2003 5:25:00 PM >>> Hey, I just got my copy of Victor's "Parsonage Lane"...listening to 'Real World' and groovin to the reggae mon! And in the credits he thanks the entire JMDL - cool! Beautiful artwork and also features graphic design by Kate's own Jeff! A nice package all the way 'round. Congratulations Victor. Bob NP: see above This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:22:36 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Live THOSL Would anyone by any chance have a live CD of Joni around the time of THOSL? I guess that one is my fave and to hear live versions of those songs around that time would be so great. Also did Joni ever do 'For The Roses' live? Steve T 'Juliet' by Thea Gilmore out 28th July. Order now from your local music retailer. Get Thea into the singles charts and make history! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:36:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Live THOSL In a message dated 6/20/2003 6:26:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@hatstand.org writes: > Would anyone by any chance have a live CD of Joni around the time of THOSL? > She did tour HOSL briefly Stephen, in 1976. Some of those recordings are in circulation...of the ones I have, my fave is her performance at The Spectrum in Philadelphia. The setlist: Joni Mitchell The Spectrum; Philadelphia, Pa 02/16/76 Disc 1 1. Help Me 2. For Love or Money 3. Free Man in Paris 4. Yarrow 5. For the Roses 6. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 7. Big Yellow Taxi 8. Shades of Scarlett Conquering 9. For Free 10. Coyote/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 11. Just Like This Train Joni Mitchell The Spectrum; Philadelphia, Pa 02/16/76 Disc 2 1. Shadows and Light 2. In France They Kiss on Main Street 3. Edith and the Kingpin 4. Talk to Me 5. Harry's House/Centerpiece 6. Furry Sings the Blues 7. Trouble Child 8. Rainy Night House 9. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow 10. Raised on Robbery 11. Jungle Line 12. Twisted See track five on Disc 1 for the answer to your second question...she also performed it on her '74 tour preceded by a long "Arbutus" story. Bob NP: Damien Rice, "Eskimo" (great! Thanks for the good words on this guy, sounds like Ryan Adams meets the Red House Painters) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:26:27 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: October Project (NJC) Howdy, I know there are some folks on the Joni list like me who have enjoyed October Project's music. This is just a quick note to mention that October Project has been recording again and they just released a new EP. To check out the details on OP's activities and/or the EP, their website is http://www.octoberproject.net Details of the release are: Album Description: October Project's new six-song CD, released the first day of Spring 2003. This collector's edition recording, featuring the beautiful lead vocals of Marina Belica, includes original songs by Julie Flanders and Emil Adler-- songs from the early days of October Project that the band has returned to with "different eyes." Tracks: 01. The Mind's Eye 02. Long After Tomorrow 03. See With Different Eyes 04. If I Turn Away 05. Forget You 06. When The Wind Blows Have a nice weekend, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:40:58 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Fw: Joni relocates to Canada? Did folks see this on the newsgroup? e - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Mints" Newsgroups: alt.music.joni-mitchell Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: Joni relocates to Canada? > I saw Joni in cafe in Toronto the other day, she looked like Mary > Travers from Peter, Paul & Mary. Shes gained a few pounds, and gravity > is not being kind. She said Shes A Granny Now and retired, and Quite > happy, being Away from the Star making machinery. Good for her, She > got out of the "Holy HollyWood busness, with grace & style, with her > brains, nerves, & Fiscal Sanity Intact. I Say Good for Her.:->) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:50:09 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: Live THOSL > In a message dated 6/20/2003 6:26:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > steve@hatstand.org writes: > > > Would anyone by any chance have a live CD of Joni around the time of THOSL? And Bob Muller replies: > She did tour HOSL briefly Stephen, in 1976. Some of those recordings are in > circulation...of the ones I have, my fave is her performance at The Spectrum in > Philadelphia. The setlist: > > Joni Mitchell > The Spectrum; Philadelphia, Pa > 02/16/76 Disc 1 > > 1. Help Me > 2. For Love or Money > 3. Free Man in Paris > 4. Yarrow > 5. For the Roses > 6. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire > 7. Big Yellow Taxi > 8. Shades of Scarlett Conquering > 9. For Free > 10. Coyote/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > 11. Just Like This Train > > Joni Mitchell > The Spectrum; Philadelphia, Pa > 02/16/76 Disc 2 > > 1. Shadows and Light > 2. In France They Kiss on Main Street > 3. Edith and the Kingpin > 4. Talk to Me > 5. Harry's House/Centerpiece > 6. Furry Sings the Blues > 7. Trouble Child > 8. Rainy Night House > 9. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow > 10. Raised on Robbery > 11. Jungle Line > 12. Twisted I would like to add: First: the a cappella rendition og "The Dowie dens of Yarrow", after breaking a guitar's string? See, in Library, Joni Mitchell at the Spectrum, by Michael Tearson Phonograph Record April 1976 Second, the band version of Shadows and Light, obviously different to the recorded one Third: she presents Coyote/DJRD, Talk To Me and Furry... at that shows! Thanks Catherine McKay for your kind comments about it and, naturally, Les Irvin for giving me the occasion to have this wonderful show. Of course, I'm spreading it at my turn Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano from Galicia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:31:43 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: WOHAM I've finally seen it! Well, what can I say? A lovely tribute to our Joan, full of fabulous moments and truly wonderful old footage. Joni must have appeared like an emissary from the gods, and no bloody wonder all the guys fell in love with her. Strongest impressions: - - How much in love she and Nash looked. It was more than touching to see him talk about her now, it was wrenchingly poignant. - - I don't blame them for spending so much time on the early years, as the material was just so great, but it did seriously unbalance the programme. It seems to me that they had to canter through her greatest decade (although I didn't lament the rapid canter through the 80s!). The absence of Hissing came as a shock to me, even though I'd already heard about it, as it was such a jolt to go from C&S straight to Hejira. - - What has happened to that dazzling smile? I know there are a number of theories about that, but really this was odd, I thought. - - Best job in the world: sifting through all that stuff to find the footage used. I'd've done that for beer money. - - I'm SOOO glad there wasn't a narrator. I'm sure it would have ruined the piece. It would have been nice to have a hint of from when the snippets of Joni talking that obviously weren't contemporary originated. And yes, that was a piece of unnecessarily convoluted syntax. Azeem in London NP: well, just finished watching Smoke (the Wayne Wang film) for the third or 4th time. As wonderful as ever. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 21:36:17 EDT From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Joni relocates to Canada? In a message dated 6/20/2003 4:41:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, musicisspecial@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I saw Joni in cafe in Toronto the other day, she looked like Mary > > Travers from Peter, Paul & Mary. Shes gained a few pounds, and gravity > > is not being kind. She said Shes A Granny Now and retired, >> I was thinking of moving to Toronto too; does anyone know a cool neighborhood to live in? I was thinking of the Annex neighborhood. ==-= om=-=-=- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:57:53 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: More on DTY In a message dated 6/20/03 3:02:09 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << Amazing. Bob >> Amen! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:04:46 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: June 21 1967: Joni began a three-week engagement at the "Le Hibou" coffeehouse in Ottawa. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=642 1968: Joni performed at the Bitter End in New York City. Jerry Jeff Walker and comedian David Steinberg were also on the bill. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #333 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)