From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #329 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 329 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) ["Robert Holliston" ] newaswell [=?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= ] Re: newaswell [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: Damien Rice NJC [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] RE: Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? ["JL" ] RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) ["Heather" ] RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Ani Difranco NJC long [Alison E ] re: Ani difranco NJC long [Alison E ] one of the greatest Joni-influenced things ever [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] woham [tantra-apso ] a wholesale portion of you [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: a wholesale portion of you [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: newaswell [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 02:06:40 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) Just wanting to say Happy Birthday to my buddy Patrick Leader: we haven't emailed each other for ages and ages, but you've been on my mind! Hope you had a wonderful one and I can't wait to see you at Jonifest (will bring Pippin; you sing, I play?) Many big hugs to Patrick and whatever's left over may be shared among y'all ;-))) Roberto _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:04:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Another cover coming up In a message dated 6/16/2003 8:57:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, BRYAN8847 writes: > I don't know which song, it didn't say. Hey, thanks for the big heads up Bryan! I am anxious to see what song is on there. I WAS aware of that record through the XTC list that I'm also on. While Joni covers are a dime a dozen (or $3 for 20 as the case may be), XTC covers are rarer than copies of The Smiths covering "Hejira" (and yes, it DOES exist). Anyway, say what you will about Mandy (and she hasn't returned ANY of my calls, the little teen witch!) but she has damn fine taste in covers! Get a load of some of the songs she's picked: XTC - Senses Working Overtime (Deserves to be a hit) Joan Armatrading - Drop The Pilot (great undervalued tune) Elton John - Mona Lisas & Mad Hatters (LOVE this song!) Blondie - One Way Or Another (also awesome) Carole King - I Feel The Earth Move (Who can resist that intro?) John Hiatt - Have A Little Faith In Me (a gorgeous ballad) Her goal with this project is to raise back to the surface great songs that either were underexposed or need to be re-exposed to a new generation, and also it traces the arc of romantic love (not really, just made that part up). Anyways, I'm gonna be watching this one closely to see which Joni nugget she scrubs up. If any of y'all hear about it first, let this poor desperate covers king know! Of course, this will mean another generous pouring of golden milk from another of Joni's cash cows - she's having a helluva year, I can tell you that. No wonder she's stopped writing! Bob NP: The Replacements, "The Ledge" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:31:16 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Damien Rice NJC Kate I love Damien Rice!! He is currently the cream of the Irish crop, right up there with Damian Dempsey and, more especially, David Kitt and Gemma Hayes. We got to see him for a very good price (5 euro) last year in our student centre, he kicked ass. Ever heard of Mundy? He ahs been around for a few years, and has a great song on the Romeo and Juliet soundtrack (which i think everone should have). He goes from strength to strength without ever really going beyond his little, but crazy, core fan base. Im so glad you got to see Rice. Was he well recieved? He really deserves atention, as does David Kitt if you get a chace! GARRET np- Stryngs - See You In The Puddles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:30:10 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: newaswell Hi My name is Maggie and I am new to this list and diving in.... I hope the water is warm. I live, at the moment, 40 miles out from Glasgow. It is great to have a Joni source to turn to and you all have a lot to say, but I am tentative as to how I can contribute. I was lucky enough to see her perform in Edinburgh way back in 82. I am constantly amazed by her work and in spite of everything else that I listen to, Nick Cave, Tom Waits and Sigour Ros to name a few, I always end up back with Hejira or Don Juan traveling through her world. I am really miffed they are showing the WOHM on BBC 4 which I do not have. That's all I can think of to say for now I have to come back up for air... ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:47:59 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: newaswell In a message dated 6/17/2003 8:30:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, athene_13_1999@yahoo.com writes: > I was lucky enough to > see her perform in Edinburgh way back in 82. Welcome, Maggie! A fine addition to the Maggie's and Mags that are here too... The performance you saw was actually in '83, April 20th to be exact. What memories do you have of the show? Joni's drummer on that Refuge tour, Vinnie Colluita, also plays drums on a recent cover of "Woodstock" by Karl Anthony. How's THAT for trivia? :~) Again, welcome, hope to hear lots more from you. I'm a big Waits fan too, as are many of us. Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "Uba's House Of Fashions" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:44:09 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) Happy birthday to an erudite, bi-coastal, creative, kind, forever young, renaissance man - Patrick Leader!!! Air kisses, real hugs and lots of love to you. Maggie PS Roberto - so glad we'll be seeing you at Full Moon. PPS If you haven't signed up yet, well, what in the world are you waiting for? If you don't...last chance lost. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Holliston [ mailto:roberto1011@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:07 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) Just wanting to say Happy Birthday to my buddy Patrick Leader: we haven't emailed each other for ages and ages, but you've been on my mind! Hope you had a wonderful one and I can't wait to see you at Jonifest (will bring Pippin; you sing, I play?) Many big hugs to Patrick and whatever's left over may be shared among y'all ;-))) Roberto _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:48:24 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: newaswell Dear Maggie, Welcome to the JMDL! Don't feel too intimidated, because this is a wonderful group of folks. If you aren't sure how to contribute, a good place to start is by sharing with us how you first discovered Joni's music. Those stories are always welcome posts from new members. Hope to hear your story soon! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:42:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Damien Rice NJC garret, thanks for your comment as i was sure may of you in the UK must have seen him by now...yes, he was VERY well received... i would not have known of him if it weren't for a a wonderful singer/songwriter series here in town that brings in all sorts of people that many of us have not heard of or have not had the chance to hear yet...the series is held about once a month in a historic theatre of about 600 seats & many artists are blown away by the intimate & elegance of the gig... i have only heard of gemma hayes of those folks you mention...i think from either you or azeem... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:30:15 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: Re: Damien Rice NJC Hi, dears! I've never heard, by now, nothing from that new sensation, but I felt free to forward you an interesting note I've received. Hope you don't mind my sending it, 'cause I suppose many of you are subscribed to the same e-groups :-) Songs in the Key of Rice Heard anything positively great lately? Actually, yes By Jeff Giles NEWSWEEK June 23 issue - In the mid-'90s, in Dublin, Damien Rice's band Juniper released a hit single, causing the record company to demand another hit single, causing Damien Rice to bristle, quit the band, leave the country and travel around Europe playing guitar for coins on the street. "I'm a total pain in the a- when somebody (a) wants to change me or (b) doesn't get what it is I do," he says. "I'm a moody f-ker." NO ARGUMENT THERE. Rice's debut, "O," is an out-and-out gorgeous CD, so full of undiluted, unfalsified emotions that it verges on open-heart surgery. In the British Isles, where the album is already a hit, Rice is routinely compared to David Gray. But Gray uses so many loops, keyboards and drum machines that his lesser songs can seem chintzy. Rice's production is spare as a swept floor: "I just have to sit down with my guitar and sing the f-king thing. Straight into the mike. That's what makes the song." You'll hear a little percussion, a few strings threading in and out and some lovely backing vocals by Lisa Hannigan, but not much else. And what are the songs about? "It'd take hours to summarize," says Rice, 29. (A little grandiose, but endearing, no?) "There's hate, there's desperation, lust, love. There's infatuation, serious obsession. It's kind of a mix." Rice has a wonderfully changeable voice: he whispers, rages, veers into falsetto. Sometimes he's so quiet you don't even know if he's going to keep s Despite the David Gray comparisons-and an appearance on Letterman last week-"O" isn't the sort of CD that tends to make the charts here in the States. "I don't give a hoot," says Rice, who turned down major-label offers and signed with the new independent Vector Recordings. "This is the kind of album that doesn't need any marketing. It just needs to be made available. People just need to find it." Rice's aversion to hype probably stems from his old days with Juniper, when he got sick of trying to play the rock star. "I was almost like a functional monkey, who had learned his tricks and went out and did them because-before he went onstage-the record company had put their arm around his shoulder and said, 'Go out there and blow those people away! Those people paid to see you! You're a star!' " Damien Rice is not a star-but he's worth following. Well, many thanks for your attention. Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano from Galicia NP: James Taylor, River ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:15:58 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Emmylou Harris tonight on Letterman njc hi >>>>>>randy wrote >>>>>with opening act Hillary Clinton >>>>>catherfine asked >>>>>Errr, does Hilary play something? well - she used to do a great ventriloquist act with a dummy named bill. now im not sure - did they dump the ventiloquist & just leave the dummy. or did the arms & oil companies take over. ??? i dunno which is a scarier thought :-) ron (who really shopuldnt be making these anti george comments when hes got his visa interview on friday...) np - ry cooder - nity gritty mississippi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:14:10 -0500 From: "JL" Subject: RE: Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? John, I have one of the original disks - received from Robert Argento. Made a copy and sent it to Kate Bennett and offered the original back up No takers yet. If anyone would like an original, contact me with your mailing address. jerry - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of CDTraderJohn@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:29 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? I've noticed that all 8 of the Joni/James PermaVines I've put out there seem to have completely disappeared from the planet! Would those of you who had the discs last please post information to the list as to who you sent them to. As you know, the intention was for these discs to continue circulating so others could copy and enjoy them. All originals must be sent onto the next recipient and are marked as such. A copy of the PermaVine rules follow. Please get these circulating again! Thanks, John in Massachusetts PERMA-VINE RULES: 1) When you receive your Perma-Vine disc you must MAKE COPIES FOR YOURSELF and re-post an offer on JMDL. You will forward the ORIGINAL DISC onto the next recipient (you may NOT keep the original Perma-Vine disc). This method ensures that all participants can get a clean, glitch-free copy of this show directly off the original disc. 2) You must re-post your offer of this vine only to JMDL. (NOTE: Please give digesters ample opportunity to respond, too.) Once you have selected the next recipient, you must post their name, e-mail and state/country to the JMDL list. If, after TWO postings within a 48-hour period, there is no response, you may then, and only then, post the Perma-Vine offer to another group, but you MUST post an announcement to JMDL indicating which group you have transferred this Perma-Vine to. 3) By requesting these Perma-Vine discs, you have agreed to make this show available to those who are unable to burn copies for themselves (and, thus, cannot participate directly in this Perma-Vine). You agree to post an offer(s) on JMDL for at least one burnerless individual as soon as you have forwarded the original Perma-Vine disc onto the next recipient. You must post the name, e-mail and state/country of the burnerless recipient to the JMDL list. Additionally, you may B+P or trade this to as many as you like AFTER you have forwarded the Perma-Vine discs onto the next recipient. You are not required to post subsequent trades or B+P's to the list 4) You further agree to keep the Perma-Vine disc in your possession no longer than 72 hours before re-offering. 5) Lastly, you agree to ENJOY this music immensely! Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:45:51 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) Happy Birthday Patrick!!! I should have guessed you were born close to the summer solstice :-) Love to you always, Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Robert Holliston Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:07 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) Just wanting to say Happy Birthday to my buddy Patrick Leader: we haven't emailed each other for ages and ages, but you've been on my mind! Hope you had a wonderful one and I can't wait to see you at Jonifest (will bring Pippin; you sing, I play?) Many big hugs to Patrick and whatever's left over may be shared among y'all ;-))) Roberto _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:43:31 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) <> Happiest of birthdays to you, Patrick!! I hope your day is spectacular beyond all reason, full of heartfelt smiles and wonderful surprises. I can't wait to see you again at Jonifest. Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Ani Difranco NJC long hey all, been meaning to kick down on this ani discussion (i've been so busy i didn't even have time to correct bob m when he said ani's record label was *restless* babe, rather than the correct RIGHTEOUS babe, which is so much more powerful...hi bob ;-)) i am a huge ani fan, and have seen her live many times. it never gets less powerful, less passionate, or stale...she is one of the most amazing performers today, or any day. i saw her at carnegie hall a couple years ago with (get this, les) GREG BROWN!...and yes, i put her on the same pedestal that joni is on, and i think she is that talented and that enduring. so if you have a chance, GO SEE HER LIVE! but if you can't, please go to her website and listen to this poem/song...here is the text (i know its long, sorry!), but LISTEN to her do it live. it is a tremendously emotional performance. it still makes me cry, and i've heard it a hundred times. i like to play it on my radio show and wait for the calls to come in...pos and negative... smooches, alison e. in slc np: ani, natch. self evident words and music by ani difranco ) 2002 righteous babe music / BMI yes, us people are just poems we're 90% metaphor with a leanness of meaning approaching hyper-distillation and once upon a time we were moonshine rushing down the throat of a giraffe yes, rushing down the long hallway despite what the p.a. announcement says yes, rushing down the long stairs with the whiskey of eternity fermented and distilled to eighteen minutes burning down our throats down the hall down the stairs in a building so tall that it will always be there yes, it's part of a pair there on the bow of noah's ark the most prestigious couple just kickin back parked against a perfectly blue sky on a morning beatific in its indian summer breeze on the day that america fell to its knees after strutting around for a century without saying thank you or please and the shock was subsonic and the smoke was deafening between the setup and the punch line cuz we were all on time for work that day we all boarded that plane for to fly and then while the fires were raging we all climbed up on the windowsill and then we all held hands and jumped into the sky and every borough looked up when it heard the first blast and then every dumb action movie was summarily surpassed and the exodus uptown by foot and motorcar looked more like war than anything i've seen so far so far so far so fierce and ingenious a poetic specter so far gone that every jackass newscaster was struck dumb and stumbling over 'oh my god' and 'this is unbelievable' and on and on and i'll tell you what, while we're at it you can keep the pentagon keep the propaganda keep each and every tv that's been trying to convince me to participate in some prep school punk's plan to perpetuate retribution perpetuate retribution even as the blue toxic smoke of our lesson in retribution is still hanging in the air and there's ash on our shoes and there's ash in our hair and there's a fine silt on every mantle from hell's kitchen to brooklyn and the streets are full of stories sudden twists and near misses and soon every open bar is crammed to the rafters with tales of narrowly averted disasters and the whiskey is flowin like never before as all over the country folks just shake their heads and pour so here's a toast to all the folks who live in palestine afghanistan iraq el salvador here's a toast to the folks living on the pine ridge reservation under the stone cold gaze of mt. rushmore here's a toast to all those nurses and doctors who daily provide women with a choice who stand down a threat the size of oklahoma city just to listen to a young woman's voice here's a toast to all the folks on death row right now awaiting the executioner's guillotine who are shackled there with dread and can only escape into their heads to find peace in the form of a dream cuz take away our playstations and we are a third world nation under the thumb of some blue blood royal son who stole the oval office and that phony election i mean it don't take a weatherman to look around and see the weather jeb said he'd deliver florida, folks and boy did he ever and we hold these truths to be self evident: #1 george w. bush is not president #2 america is not a true democracy #3 the media is not fooling me cuz i am a poem heeding hyper-distillation i've got no room for a lie so verbose i'm looking out over my whole human family and i'm raising my glass in a toast here's to our last drink of fossil fuels let us vow to get off of this sauce shoo away the swarms of commuter planes and find that train ticket we lost cuz once upon a time the line followed the river and peeked into all the backyards and the laundry was waving the graffiti was teasing us from brick walls and bridges we were rolling over ridges through valleys under stars i dream of touring like duke ellington in my own railroad car i dream of waiting on the tall blonde wooden benches in a grand station aglow with grace and then standing out on the platform and feeling the air on my face give back the night its distant whistle give the darkness back its soul give the big oil companies the finger finally and relearn how to rock-n-roll yes, the lessons are all around us and a change is waiting there so it's time to pick through the rubble, clean the streets and clear the air get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand of someone else's desert put it back in its pants and quit the hypocritical chants of freedom forever cuz when one lone phone rang in two thousand and one at ten after nine on nine one one which is the number we all called when that lone phone rang right off the wall right off our desk and down the long hall down the long stairs in a building so tall that the whole world turned just to watch it fall and while we're at it remember the first time around? the bomb? the ryder truck? the parking garage? the princess that didn't even feel the pea? remember joking around in our apartment on avenue D? can you imagine how many paper coffee cups would have to change their design following a fantastical reversal of the new york skyline?! it was a joke, of course it was a joke at the time and that was just a few years ago so let the record show that the FBI was all over that case that the plot was obvious and in everybody's face and scoping that scene religiously the CIA or is it KGB? committing countless crimes against humanity with this kind of eventuality as its excuse for abuse after expensive abuse and it didn't have a clue look, another window to see through way up here on the 104th floor look another key another door 10% literal 90% metaphor 3000 some poems disguised as people on an almost too perfect day should be more than pawns in some asshole's passion play so now it's your job and it's my job to make it that way to make sure they didn't die in vain sshhhhhh.... baby listen hear the train? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Ani Difranco NJC long hey all, been meaning to kick down on this ani discussion (i've been so busy i didn't even have time to correct bob m when he said ani's record label was *restless* babe, rather than the correct RIGHTEOUS babe, which is so much more powerful...hi bob ;-)) i am a huge ani fan, and have seen her live many times. it never gets less powerful, less passionate, or stale...she is one of the most amazing performers today, or any day. i saw her at carnegie hall a couple years ago with (get this, les) GREG BROWN!...and yes, i put her on the same pedestal that joni is on, and i think she is that talented and that enduring. so if you have a chance, GO SEE HER LIVE! but if you can't, please go to her website and listen to this poem/song...here is the text (i know its long, sorry!), but LISTEN to her do it live. it is a tremendously emotional performance. it still makes me cry, and i've heard it a hundred times. i like to play it on my radio show and wait for the calls to come in...pos and negative... smooches, alison e. in slc np: ani, natch. self evident words and music by ani difranco ) 2002 righteous babe music / BMI yes, us people are just poems we're 90% metaphor with a leanness of meaning approaching hyper-distillation and once upon a time we were moonshine rushing down the throat of a giraffe yes, rushing down the long hallway despite what the p.a. announcement says yes, rushing down the long stairs with the whiskey of eternity fermented and distilled to eighteen minutes burning down our throats down the hall down the stairs in a building so tall that it will always be there yes, it's part of a pair there on the bow of noah's ark the most prestigious couple just kickin back parked against a perfectly blue sky on a morning beatific in its indian summer breeze on the day that america fell to its knees after strutting around for a century without saying thank you or please and the shock was subsonic and the smoke was deafening between the setup and the punch line cuz we were all on time for work that day we all boarded that plane for to fly and then while the fires were raging we all climbed up on the windowsill and then we all held hands and jumped into the sky and every borough looked up when it heard the first blast and then every dumb action movie was summarily surpassed and the exodus uptown by foot and motorcar looked more like war than anything i've seen so far so far so far so fierce and ingenious a poetic specter so far gone that every jackass newscaster was struck dumb and stumbling over 'oh my god' and 'this is unbelievable' and on and on and i'll tell you what, while we're at it you can keep the pentagon keep the propaganda keep each and every tv that's been trying to convince me to participate in some prep school punk's plan to perpetuate retribution perpetuate retribution even as the blue toxic smoke of our lesson in retribution is still hanging in the air and there's ash on our shoes and there's ash in our hair and there's a fine silt on every mantle from hell's kitchen to brooklyn and the streets are full of stories sudden twists and near misses and soon every open bar is crammed to the rafters with tales of narrowly averted disasters and the whiskey is flowin like never before as all over the country folks just shake their heads and pour so here's a toast to all the folks who live in palestine afghanistan iraq el salvador here's a toast to the folks living on the pine ridge reservation under the stone cold gaze of mt. rushmore here's a toast to all those nurses and doctors who daily provide women with a choice who stand down a threat the size of oklahoma city just to listen to a young woman's voice here's a toast to all the folks on death row right now awaiting the executioner's guillotine who are shackled there with dread and can only escape into their heads to find peace in the form of a dream cuz take away our playstations and we are a third world nation under the thumb of some blue blood royal son who stole the oval office and that phony election i mean it don't take a weatherman to look around and see the weather jeb said he'd deliver florida, folks and boy did he ever and we hold these truths to be self evident: #1 george w. bush is not president #2 america is not a true democracy #3 the media is not fooling me cuz i am a poem heeding hyper-distillation i've got no room for a lie so verbose i'm looking out over my whole human family and i'm raising my glass in a toast here's to our last drink of fossil fuels let us vow to get off of this sauce shoo away the swarms of commuter planes and find that train ticket we lost cuz once upon a time the line followed the river and peeked into all the backyards and the laundry was waving the graffiti was teasing us from brick walls and bridges we were rolling over ridges through valleys under stars i dream of touring like duke ellington in my own railroad car i dream of waiting on the tall blonde wooden benches in a grand station aglow with grace and then standing out on the platform and feeling the air on my face give back the night its distant whistle give the darkness back its soul give the big oil companies the finger finally and relearn how to rock-n-roll yes, the lessons are all around us and a change is waiting there so it's time to pick through the rubble, clean the streets and clear the air get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand of someone else's desert put it back in its pants and quit the hypocritical chants of freedom forever cuz when one lone phone rang in two thousand and one at ten after nine on nine one one which is the number we all called when that lone phone rang right off the wall right off our desk and down the long hall down the long stairs in a building so tall that the whole world turned just to watch it fall and while we're at it remember the first time around? the bomb? the ryder truck? the parking garage? the princess that didn't even feel the pea? remember joking around in our apartment on avenue D? can you imagine how many paper coffee cups would have to change their design following a fantastical reversal of the new york skyline?! it was a joke, of course it was a joke at the time and that was just a few years ago so let the record show that the FBI was all over that case that the plot was obvious and in everybody's face and scoping that scene religiously the CIA or is it KGB? committing countless crimes against humanity with this kind of eventuality as its excuse for abuse after expensive abuse and it didn't have a clue look, another window to see through way up here on the 104th floor look another key another door 10% literal 90% metaphor 3000 some poems disguised as people on an almost too perfect day should be more than pawns in some asshole's passion play so now it's your job and it's my job to make it that way to make sure they didn't die in vain sshhhhhh.... baby listen hear the train? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: re: Ani difranco NJC long hey all, been meaning to kick down on this ani discussion (i've been so busy i didn't even have time to correct bob m when he said ani's record label was *restless* babe, rather than the correct RIGHTEOUS babe, which is so much more powerful...hi bob ;-)) i am a huge ani fan, and have seen her live many times. it never gets less powerful, less passionate, or stale...she is one of the most amazing performers today, or any day. i saw her at carnegie hall a couple years ago with (get this, les) GREG BROWN!...and yes, i put her on the same pedestal that joni is on, and i think she is that talented and that enduring. so if you have a chance, GO SEE HER LIVE! but if you can't, please go to her website and listen to this poem/song...here is the text (i know its long, sorry!), but LISTEN to her do it live. it is a tremendously emotional performance. it still makes me cry, and i've heard it a hundred times. i like to play it on my radio show and wait for the calls to come in...pos and negative... smooches, alison e. in slc np: ani, natch. self evident words and music by ani difranco ) 2002 righteous babe music / BMI yes, us people are just poems we're 90% metaphor with a leanness of meaning approaching hyper-distillation and once upon a time we were moonshine rushing down the throat of a giraffe yes, rushing down the long hallway despite what the p.a. announcement says yes, rushing down the long stairs with the whiskey of eternity fermented and distilled to eighteen minutes burning down our throats down the hall down the stairs in a building so tall that it will always be there yes, it's part of a pair there on the bow of noah's ark the most prestigious couple just kickin back parked against a perfectly blue sky on a morning beatific in its indian summer breeze on the day that america fell to its knees after strutting around for a century without saying thank you or please and the shock was subsonic and the smoke was deafening between the setup and the punch line cuz we were all on time for work that day we all boarded that plane for to fly and then while the fires were raging we all climbed up on the windowsill and then we all held hands and jumped into the sky and every borough looked up when it heard the first blast and then every dumb action movie was summarily surpassed and the exodus uptown by foot and motorcar looked more like war than anything i've seen so far so far so far so fierce and ingenious a poetic specter so far gone that every jackass newscaster was struck dumb and stumbling over 'oh my god' and 'this is unbelievable' and on and on and i'll tell you what, while we're at it you can keep the pentagon keep the propaganda keep each and every tv that's been trying to convince me to participate in some prep school punk's plan to perpetuate retribution perpetuate retribution even as the blue toxic smoke of our lesson in retribution is still hanging in the air and there's ash on our shoes and there's ash in our hair and there's a fine silt on every mantle from hell's kitchen to brooklyn and the streets are full of stories sudden twists and near misses and soon every open bar is crammed to the rafters with tales of narrowly averted disasters and the whiskey is flowin like never before as all over the country folks just shake their heads and pour so here's a toast to all the folks who live in palestine afghanistan iraq el salvador here's a toast to the folks living on the pine ridge reservation under the stone cold gaze of mt. rushmore here's a toast to all those nurses and doctors who daily provide women with a choice who stand down a threat the size of oklahoma city just to listen to a young woman's voice here's a toast to all the folks on death row right now awaiting the executioner's guillotine who are shackled there with dread and can only escape into their heads to find peace in the form of a dream cuz take away our playstations and we are a third world nation under the thumb of some blue blood royal son who stole the oval office and that phony election i mean it don't take a weatherman to look around and see the weather jeb said he'd deliver florida, folks and boy did he ever and we hold these truths to be self evident: #1 george w. bush is not president #2 america is not a true democracy #3 the media is not fooling me cuz i am a poem heeding hyper-distillation i've got no room for a lie so verbose i'm looking out over my whole human family and i'm raising my glass in a toast here's to our last drink of fossil fuels let us vow to get off of this sauce shoo away the swarms of commuter planes and find that train ticket we lost cuz once upon a time the line followed the river and peeked into all the backyards and the laundry was waving the graffiti was teasing us from brick walls and bridges we were rolling over ridges through valleys under stars i dream of touring like duke ellington in my own railroad car i dream of waiting on the tall blonde wooden benches in a grand station aglow with grace and then standing out on the platform and feeling the air on my face give back the night its distant whistle give the darkness back its soul give the big oil companies the finger finally and relearn how to rock-n-roll yes, the lessons are all around us and a change is waiting there so it's time to pick through the rubble, clean the streets and clear the air get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand of someone else's desert put it back in its pants and quit the hypocritical chants of freedom forever cuz when one lone phone rang in two thousand and one at ten after nine on nine one one which is the number we all called when that lone phone rang right off the wall right off our desk and down the long hall down the long stairs in a building so tall that the whole world turned just to watch it fall and while we're at it remember the first time around? the bomb? the ryder truck? the parking garage? the princess that didn't even feel the pea? remember joking around in our apartment on avenue D? can you imagine how many paper coffee cups would have to change their design following a fantastical reversal of the new york skyline?! it was a joke, of course it was a joke at the time and that was just a few years ago so let the record show that the FBI was all over that case that the plot was obvious and in everybody's face and scoping that scene religiously the CIA or is it KGB? committing countless crimes against humanity with this kind of eventuality as its excuse for abuse after expensive abuse and it didn't have a clue look, another window to see through way up here on the 104th floor look another key another door 10% literal 90% metaphor 3000 some poems disguised as people on an almost too perfect day should be more than pawns in some asshole's passion play so now it's your job and it's my job to make it that way to make sure they didn't die in vain sshhhhhh.... baby listen hear the train? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:12:58 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: one of the greatest Joni-influenced things ever Ashara writes: > I am still taking registrations for > Jonifest When I went to my first Jonifest in Topsfield three years ago, I never thought I would have such an incredible time and meet so many fascinating people. (And Muller, too!)This year will be my fourth, and sadly, THE last Jonifest. So if you're still deciding, I hope this post convinces you to do whatever you have to do to be there. (Quit your job, sell the house, run up your credit cards . . . there are all kinds of ways to do it!) You will never regret making it to Jonifest. It's like Woodstock with grown-ups who are like instant long-lost friends plus great food and no mud or drug-induced hallucinations! Hope to see you there! - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:14:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday Patrick (njc) happy birthday, father patrick! the BF didn't have your data on file so you get the *mortal* greeting today. love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:20:46 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: one of the greatest Joni-influenced things ever On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 09:12 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > When I went to my first Jonifest in Topsfield three years ago [cut, hack, slay ] > It's like Woodstock with grown-ups who are like instant long-lost > friends plus great food and no mud or drug-induced hallucinations! But there are the Murphy-induced hallucinations. . . . But then you come to the realisation that that's just how he really is. - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:20:50 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Emmylou Harris tonight on Letterman njc the american public... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:12:45 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: one of the greatest Joni-influenced things ever NJC Bob said: <<[Jonifest is] like Woodstock with grown-ups who are like instant long-lost friends plus great food and no mud or drug-induced hallucinations!>> But meant: Jonifest is like Woodstock with grown-ups who are like instant long-lost friends plus great food and no mud or drug-induced hallucinations, unless you party with Paz or you stay up the whole weekend like Victor, who spent a significant part of last year's fest singing to a duck. ;o) cindy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:38:36 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ani Difranco NJC In a message dated 6/17/2003 3:06:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: > i didn't even have time > to correct bob m when he said ani's record label was > *restless* babe, rather than the correct RIGHTEOUS > babe, which is so much more powerful...hi bob ;-)) Which I said JUST SO I'd hear from your sorry ass! ;~) Appreciate the link to that live recording...Ani acknowledges her debt of gratitude to the ORIGINAL Righteous/Restless babe, and imo has taken the foundation that Joni built and taken it to the next level. I saw her live only once, and really enjoyed it even though I was a tad intimidated by being the only 40-something str8 dude in a hall filled with young bald-headed lesbians. They must have figured I was a narc because they were all nice to me! ;~) Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "Lonely Town" live 1989 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:35:49 -0400 From: "David Callan" Subject: You are MY B&P Forever List I am working on acquiring equipment and waiting for two very big trades to come in (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE[IMAGE]!!!) Anyway, most of what I will have available INCLUDING those big trades will be posted at the below: www.geocities.com/djcallan1/callanlist.htm I need to be discreet, but you are on my Permanent B&P/1:1 lists, okay? Be patient![IMAGE] "Snow sparkles like eyesight falling to earth, like seeing fallen brightly away." Wallace Stevens, "No Possum, No Sop, No Taters" LOKI SINGS: http://www.geocities.com/djcallan1/index.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:46:39 +0100 From: tantra-apso Subject: woham i recorded the program for wathcing later. Hate to see things 'live'. this way i can rewind and re hear bits. Looking at Joni, i thought she looks very like a Native American woman. Her face shape, bone structure, the hair. Turn her skin darker and her hair black, and i am sure that is what she looks like. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:51:37 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: a wholesale portion of you It was another busy day today. I worked late and rushed home for my train. All trains on my line were cancelled. So I took a train on another line and walked home from a station not so far away. It started off as a nice summery walk, but halfway I was caught in a downpour so severe that I could only laugh - after all it was a hot day so what's wrong with a monsoon, even if this was London? My feet were going "squish"with the water in my shoes... Anyway, and this is the Joni content before anyone gets impatient: this Joni song came into my head and automatically I started trying to turn it into another "synonym version" - boy this is getting addictive! So by the time I got home I almost had it ready, humming repeatly "I am a solitary colour applicator, I live in a clour container" which to be honest I quite like! So though I had lots to do at home, I kept singing it to myself and now as it's getting time to go to bed I find I need to write this down or I won't be able to sleep! So here goes: A WHOLESALE PORTION OF YOU Preceding the end of our relationship you declared: "I remain as reliable as a rock in the sky" I replied "Reliably obscure - what's the use? Come and find me in the light." On the reverse side of a beermat By the glow of the tube I made a picture of the most northern American state Oh land of the Canucians! With your features drawn in duplicate. Oh, you run in my vains like the blood of Christ With a flavour so strong and yet so mild Oh I could consume a wholesale portion of you, sweetheart Yes I could cope with that Oh yes I could cope with that. Oh I am a solitary colour applicator I dwell in a colour container I fear the evil spirit And I feel attracted to those without fear I have this memory of you explaining to me that "Passionate affection is union of minds" No doubt your mind united with mine As a portion of you comes forth from me in this song sometimes Oh, you run in my vains like the blood of Christ Your flavour is so strong and yet so mild Oh I could consume a wholesale portion of you, my sweetheart Yes I could cope with that, I could certainly cope with that. I had an encounter with a female She shared your oral features She was familiar with your background She was acquainted with your demons and your actions And she advised, "Be with that man, cling to him if possible But expect to hurt badly" Oh but you run in my vains You are my blood of Christ You're so strong, strong and so mild Oh, I could consume a wholesale portion of you, my sweetheart Sure I could cope with that, yes I could cope with that. THE END. Time for bed. Lieve (in London) ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:24:31 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: a wholesale portion of you In a message dated 17/06/2003 23:53:02 GMT Daylight Time, ReckersL@ebrd.com writes: > A WHOLESALE PORTION OF YOU > Preceding the end of our relationship you declared: > "I remain as reliable as a rock in the sky" > I replied "Reliably obscure - what's the use? Come and find me in the > light." > Bravo Lieve! The collection continues to grow. I'm getting itchy fingers myself, I might have to have another go. Looking forward to blagging a copy of WOHAM in the not-too-distant... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:04:46 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: newaswell Hello Maggie Welcome to the list! Hurrah for the fans on this side of the pond. Come in the water's warm and the chat is lovely. Yes WOHAM was on tonight but I bought it on DVD from play.com for #11.99 delivered! I think it's gonna be out on VHS on the 30th so you're just in time. It is a beautiful programme, I lent my copy to my mum who is another fan (can you imagine 2 generations of Joni fans in one family? Anyone on the list have the same experience?) I'm in London. Are you anywhere near Motherwell? Much Joni Jamie Zoob Ms M wrote: Hi My name is Maggie and I am new to this list and diving in.... I hope the water is warm. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:37:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ms=20M?= Subject: thank you Thanks to all the people who have welcomed me today, I am still getting the hang of this so I hope this gets through,. Seemingly my dementia is worse than I thought and I got the date wrong of that Edinburgh gig (when I saw Joni) well never mind. How did I get into Joni.. I can't remember specifics, I think I saw big yellow taxi on the telly when I was quite young it was a cartoon video would that be right? Everything about it had an impact, the visuals, the voice, the message and later when I heard the who she was I logged it in the memory banks, they were working better then.. Anyway the first Joni album I got into was my cousins copy of The Hissing of summer lawns and it is still a favourite. I also went to a Weather Report concert in Glasgows wonderful Apollo theatre when I was 14 which was something of an epiphany and when I discovered Joni was working with Wayne Shorter it all clicked for me. She is a Musicians Musician just like there are Artists that only other Artisits really appreciate, I think that is part of her magnitism also the fact that she is true to her art and to her-self. She is a source of inspiration, but to me personally and this sounds so very corny I know, her music is incredibly healing. The combination of her voice and her expression of her experiences and her poetry has helped me in ways that would bore you to death to explain. I am really interested in synchronicity and how it works in the world especially in the creative world and Joni always seems to pop up and explain that and express it so perfectly clearly.. I am reading "Shadows and light" at the moment and wishing that she would write her own story. Sorry I will go now thanks again for the welcomes guys...x ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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