From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #320 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 320 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Library Links: June 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Today's Smoking Links (NJC) ["Evan and Vanessa Thomson" ] Re: When is it time to quit? sjc ["kakki" ] re: joni's smoking [cul heath ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] RE: 25 f*cking years today!!!!!!! njc [ReckersL@e] re: joni's smoking ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 ["Lori Fye" ] Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] RE: njc The Pianist, Szpilman, Chopin ["Maggie McNally" ] cadmium [greenstudio ] Re: cadmium -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: joni's smoking [Randy Remote ] Re: cadmium -- NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: cadmium -- NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 [ROSCOE1TC@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 ["Stephen Toogood" ] new S+L, Geffen box set ? [jussi ] Joni's "Shadows and Light" [Bruce Righter ] Annie Lennox TV appearances - NJC ["Heather" ] Joni in JAZZIZ ["Heather" ] Re: joni's smoking ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: njc The Pianist, Szpilman, Chopin [Les Irvin ] Re: cadmium [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni's smoking [Catherine McKay ] Re: cadmium -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: cadmium -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni's smoking njc [colin ] Re: cadmium njc [colin ] Re: cadmium -- NJC [colin ] Important Jonifest Information- Last Call! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] PermaVine Update [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 --NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 --NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: joni's smoking [cul heath ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 02:02:12 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 9 On June 9 the following items were published: 1990: "Diary of a Decade Interview" - Greater London Radio (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=891 1999: "Joni Mitchell gets solo art show in Saskatoon" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=30 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:12:55 +1000 From: "Evan and Vanessa Thomson" Subject: Re: Today's Smoking Links (NJC) These all looked so interesting but alas when I clicked upon them - nothing! :-) > Subject: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 > > On June 9 the following items were published: > > > 1953: "Saskatoon Girl Claims Cigarette Smoking Cured Polio" - The Plains > Gazette > (Story) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=768547 > > > 1969: "I Am Joni's Lung" - Reader's Digest > (Story) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=383426 > > > 1974: "Make Lovely Ashtrays from Your Old Dulcimers" - Better Homes and > Gardens > (Crafts tips) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=510326 > > > 1977: "How to Tune Your Guitar to Your Nagging Cough" - Alternative Guitar > Magazine > (Interview with guitar tabs) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=422219 > > > 1986: "'I Could Smoke a Carton of You,' Gasps Folk Legend" - Cigarette > Aficionado > (Interview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=779299 > > > 1998: "Joni Mitchell Finds Lost Cigarettes Through Internet" - People > Magazine > (Reunion Story) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=419941 > > > 2000: "I inhale my nicotine and I exhale my joy" - Toronto Globe and Mail > (Interview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=513299 > > > 2002: "Pop Icon Receives Lifetime Achievement Award" - Winston Salem > Independent > (Story) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=037937 > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2003 #319 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:15:03 +1000 From: "Evan and Vanessa Thomson" Subject: Jokes for Azeem (NJC) Hope this helps to chase the blues away and I chose not to take offence to your Aussie etiquette post :-) Vanessa A very attractive lady goes up to a bar in a quiet rural pub. She gestures alluringly to the bartender who comes over immediately. When he arrives, she seductively signals that he should bring his face closer to hers. When he does she begins to gently caress his full beard. "Are you the manager?" she asks, softly stroking his face with both hands. "Actually, no," the man replied. "Can you get him for me? I need to speak to him" she says, running her hands beyond his beard and into his hair. "I'm afraid I can't," breathes the bartender. "Is there anything I can do?" "Yes, there is. I need you to give him a message" she continues, running her forefinger across the bartender's lips and slyly popping a couple of her fingers into his mouth and allowing him to suck them gently. "What should I tell him?" the bartender manages to say. "Tell him," she whispers, "there's no toilet paper, hand soap, or paper towels in the ladies room." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:56:51 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: When is it time to quit? sjc Mark, I'm running behind on the posts but wanted to throw in my two centavos on Anita O'Day. A few years ago I posted a few times about seeing her here in L.A. where she had a regular Tuesday night gig at an upscale restuarant/jazz club. I learned about her performing from Robbie Cavolina, Joni's sometime art director, who had taken a personal interest in Anita and has written a screenplay about her life. Last I heard he was still working on getting a movie produced, with Rosanna Arquette in the lead role. My experience with seeing her was interesting. She was in pretty good voice but very frail and arthritic and had to be helped on and off the stage. She did have some top guys who seemed honored to accompany her. I met a number of people in the audience from several generations and countries who had come to see her. The film of Newport was also played in the backround during intermission. After the show I met her and bought some "bootleg" CDs of hers that were for sale, and my friend bought her autobiography. I don't have a copy but read it in one night. She had many ups and downs and was on heroin for many years. I recall she only quit heroin a few years ago. She was also pretty much down and out and living in a trailer behind someone's house until she was encouraged by some good souls (including Robbie) to start performing again. I got a very strong sense watching and meeting her that she internally transcends her age and fraility when she gets on that stage. She still has the "ego" and a bit of the diva in her. Why does she still do it? I think just because she can and the alternative of being an invalid and forgotten is not an attractive option. The stage is what is keeping her going. Thanks for sharing and I am glad you got to see her. It's good to hear she is still performing. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:36:20 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: re: joni's smoking Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:04:34 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.comSubject: Re: joni's smoking I agree with Kate that smoking is an addiction. Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the object of the addiction is withheld for whatever reason from the "addict"...and, generally speaking, the removal is enacted less to serve the needs of the addict and more to serve the interests of evangelical social and religious groups who invariably see controling the behavior of others as a good cover for their own addiction to the need for narrow and simplistic It has been said that it is harder to give up than heroin. That has more to do with learned social associations than with the chemistry of nicotine. Speaking as a packaday smoker, I am more addicted to the "prop" apects of cigarettes and to the process of lighting up than to the nicotine. I sometimes burn through many cigarettes while in intense periods of concentration such as songwriting or careening in and out of traffic at high speeds, fishing for cops in overhead choppers . I light up a lot, have one or two puffs while But again, in any event, addiction to heroin is only a problem if the supply is removed. Physically it does very little damage to the body even over long term use and the only real social damage I can see coming from its constant use is constipation and a perhaps less than perfect drive to acquire the key to the executive washrooms. Good poetry, painting and music tho... Smokes love their cigaretted but i don't believe they like being smokers and would prefer to be nonsmokers. That's a great sentence!!!..even if the content is maybe half right. Substitute the word "gay" for "smokers" and see how presumptive that might sound to a person of the prosmoking persuasion . I love smoking. I also love my fellow man ...but should it come to pass that my fellow man insists in coming between me and my mellow smokes why I might have to smoke my fellow man But I also believe that nonsmokers often look upon it as a characrer flaw rather than the addiction it truly is If it was so easy to quit, then everyone would just quit and that would be that. There are a million different reasons that humans intentionally toxify themselves and do things like take up smoking. Sometimes its to appear a peerless peer...sometimes to the drown ourselves in the circumstantial morass we feel we are in, sometimes it just for the sheer thrill of change or acting without permission...none of it matters except that you make it matter. I did my share of pharmaceutical specialties as it were during my "seeking" period...never did I poison myself though to cause harm or just to get drunk. I loathe the fact that I smoke.I have a T-Shirt which has inscribed on the back : "Have no shame for your desires" But everytime my mother lectures me about it, I smoke a pack Of course... The ONLY person that will meke me quit is me. Actually, even you can't MAKE you quit That just ends up in a battle of wills between the same person Its more likely you'll and forget all this namby pamby crap about cigarettes being the worst thing ever and do the right thing by doubling the amount you smoke each day...think of it as keeping one more pack a day away from those poor third world people who probably don't ha e the money to spare for a Bic lighter anyway..sheeesh!:) Take care, cul heath vancouver bc Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:40:18 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] RE: 25 f*cking years today!!!!!!! njc Jimmy and Ed, many hugs and congratulations! Do bring some "baby" pictures to the fest to show us what you looked like when this relationship was born 25 years ago! And am I the only one to react and state the obvious? The birthday fairy is mortal??? Surely not! (Or was I supposed to react to the word despicable, Wally? Now let me think...) Lieve. -----Original Message----- From: Wally Kairuz [SMTP:wallykai@fibertel.com.ar] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:40 PM To: Wally Kairuz; Jimmy Stewart; joni@smoe.org; northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NortheastJonifest] RE: 25 f*cking years today!!!!!!! njc the BF has graciously allowed me, despicable mortal though i am, to take the stand and declare: H A P P Y 25TH A N N I V E R S A R Y BEAUTIFUL JIMMY AND YUMMY WAIT-TILL-I-LAY-HANDS-ON-YOU ED!!!!!!!! how can they have been together for 25 years when they're both twentysomethings? are they surgically improved? is it the florida weather? vast quantities of orange juice every day? i want to look like them!!!!!!! or maybe just look like ONE of them and have the other. oh well... you two come to jonifest and make a bitter old queen happy, ya hear? WELL, COME ON, PEOPLE! the BF is tapping its pretty little foot impatiently and already asking for my head. do greet the sunny ones now! love, wally ------------------------ Yahoo! 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The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 05:44:46 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: re: joni's smoking Cul wrote: > generally speaking, the removal is enacted less to serve the needs of > the addict and more to serve the interests of evangelical social and > religious groups who invariably see controling the behavior of others > as a good cover for their own addiction to the need for narrow and > simplistic YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! From an article in the JMDL Library (http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=169), this: "Mitchell chain-smokes, and it's one of the smoothest chains you've ever seen." Joni smokes. That's her choice. Yes, we all want her to live forever and perform in our choice of voice forever, but that's a bit unreasonable, isn't it? Joni isn't likely to quit smoking. Post whatever you want whenever you want, but I agree with Andrea and others on this subject: it's tiresome. WE certainly aren't going to change Joni Mitchell's mind -- about anything! Lori, who personally abhors cigarettes but smokes "other herbs," and is there really a difference?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 05:47:01 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 I take it back!!! It's not a tiresome issue when it produces gems like these ... LOL ... > 1974: "Make Lovely Ashtrays from Your Old Dulcimers" - Better Homes and > Gardens > (Crafts tips) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=510326 > 2002: "Pop Icon Receives Lifetime Achievement Award" - Winston Salem > Independent > (Story) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=037937 Thanks, Bob!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:29:13 EDT From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Perma Vines -- Where Art Thou? I've noticed that all 8 of the Joni/James PermaVines I've put out there seem to have completely disappeared from the planet! Would those of you who had the discs last please post information to the list as to who you sent them to. As you know, the intention was for these discs to continue circulating so others could copy and enjoy them. All originals must be sent onto the next recipient and are marked as such. A copy of the PermaVine rules follow. Please get these circulating again! Thanks, John in Massachusetts PERMA-VINE RULES: 1) When you receive your Perma-Vine disc you must MAKE COPIES FOR YOURSELF and re-post an offer on JMDL. You will forward the ORIGINAL DISC onto the next recipient (you may NOT keep the original Perma-Vine disc). This method ensures that all participants can get a clean, glitch-free copy of this show directly off the original disc. 2) You must re-post your offer of this vine only to JMDL. (NOTE: Please give digesters ample opportunity to respond, too.) Once you have selected the next recipient, you must post their name, e-mail and state/country to the JMDL list. If, after TWO postings within a 48-hour period, there is no response, you may then, and only then, post the Perma-Vine offer to another group, but you MUST post an announcement to JMDL indicating which group you have transferred this Perma-Vine to. 3) By requesting these Perma-Vine discs, you have agreed to make this show available to those who are unable to burn copies for themselves (and, thus, cannot participate directly in this Perma-Vine). You agree to post an offer(s) on JMDL for at least one burnerless individual as soon as you have forwarded the original Perma-Vine disc onto the next recipient. You must post the name, e-mail and state/country of the burnerless recipient to the JMDL list. Additionally, you may B+P or trade this to as many as you like AFTER you have forwarded the Perma-Vine discs onto the next recipient. You are not required to post subsequent trades or B+P's to the list 4) You further agree to keep the Perma-Vine disc in your possession no longer than 72 hours before re-offering. 5) Lastly, you agree to ENJOY this music immensely! Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:39:21 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: njc The Pianist, Szpilman, Chopin Hello again, Vince. Still have not seen The Pianist, but had to respond to your mention of Bonhoffer. My father was a 3rd generation Irish working class lad from Baltimore who found his way out by joining the U.S. Army at an early age. During WWII he was in the Corps of Engineers and his job was to rebuild the bridges in and around Germany that were continuously being destroyed, thus helping to keep the troops moving. At the end of the war he was one of the many soldiers who involved in liberating the concentration camps, an experience that forever changed the life of a fallen Catholic boy. He eventually retired from the Army in the early 60s, and after spending some time as a private detective in Los Angeles (he had retired from the Counter Intelligence Corps), he decided to pursue his dream and become a minister. He had found his way back into religious life when his first wife (my mother) became terminally ill, but Catholicism was never to be the answer for him. So, he packed us up and moved us from L.A. to Bangor, Maine to attend Bangor Theological Seminary and made his way from Congregational to Unitarian-Universalist minister, finding me a wonderful new mother in the process. Following his ordination he went to Goddard College in Vermont for advanced study, and his thesis was on Dietrich Bonhoffer. His life had come full circle, as the experience of WWII lead him to champion the beliefs of this courageous man as he pursued his own dreams of meaningful work for peace in his world. Hadn't intended it, but my ramblings have turned into an early father's day testimony for the Rev. John FJ McNally, Jr. Thanks for listening. Best, Maggie -----Original Message----- From: vince [mailto:revrvl@chartermi.net] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:35 AM To: Kate Bennett Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: njc The Pianist, Szpilman, Chopin Kate Bennett wrote: >& i wondered if he hadn't >been a musician & played for the german if the german would have been moved >to help him...(if indeed this is part of the real story).. > > > The German officer was named Wilm Hosenfeld as I said, has diary excerpts included in the re-release of Szpilman's book and they alone are worth reading for their own sake. The man was a school teacher or principal and was in charge of sports facilities in occupied Warsaw. Szpilman was not the first Polish Jew that Hosenfeld helped. Hosenfeld's diary is astounding - his discussion of why there is evil and who is responsible is just incredible, I actually stood up the first time that I read it - it is on par with the writings of Bonhoeffer, Barth, Neimoeller, and that it came from a German officer in the midst of the war moved me deeply. Szpilman survived because he was a pianist - not that other artists equally well known had a different fate - he had a few connections and the reason he was pulled from the umschlagplatz - someone was a fan - and because of the same internal discipline that allowed him to be such a great pianist. The book, autobiographical, is very underwritten, a moving moving memoir. As I compared the book, Szpilman's own account, with the movie, very little was changed. The account of Szpilman meeting the German officer is slightly different in the book - certainly movies have their own need to dramatize - Szpilman said the piano was badly out of tune and it took him a few minutes to get his fingers going and he played more than one piece. But much of the dialogue in the book is in the movie throughout - Polanski was very faithful to the book. Seeing the movie the second time after I read the book (and I watched it with book in hand, page by page) made it even more poignant. And so much was random chance - the selections, being on this street and not that street, bullets that miss, an officer perhaps too drunk to kill a Jew at a crucial moment - all so random. Your comments on the movie's portrayal of the devastation of the city are exactly right. The Nazi's leveled the ghetto and leveled the city. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:06:20 -0400 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Billboard mention in March Hi I was going through some old postings and I noticed the following Billboard mention that Randy posted. I don't know if anyone corrected this yet, but Joni's original BYT didn't chart twice. The second charting of Joni that the article mentions is in fact the first and only charting of Joni's live BYT, from MOA. Frank Tortorici Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:27:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote > Subject: Joni mention in Billboard From the Chart Beat column by Fred Bronson, March 29 issue Hailing a Taxi: They're paving paradise and putting up another parking lot. "Big Yellow Taxi," written by 1995 Billboard Century Award honoree Joni Mitchell, is back on The Billboard Hot 100, 33 years after the song's original debut. The version by Counting Crows featuring Vanessa Carlton on Geffen/Interscope enters at No. 63 and is the fourth rendition of "Taxi" to chart. In 1970 there was a battle between Mitchell's original and a version by pop group Neighborhood. The latter won, peaking at No. 29, while the composer's own single only reached No. 67. Five years later, Michell's "Taxi" re-entered and rode to No. 24. Amy Grant remade "Taxi" in 1995, and it went to No. 67. That represented Mitchell's most recent appearance on the Hot 100 as a songwriter until this issue. The first song Mitchell wrote that charted was "Both Sides Now." Judy Collins' version entered the Hot 100 the week of Nov. 9, 1968, ultimately peaking at No. 8. That gives Mitchell a songwriting chart span of 34 years, three months, and three weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:38:44 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: lignininousstuff -- NJC >>Great! (I know it's only stone and tumble but I like it!) << Surely you meant to say Immense!! (One is aware that it is seems merely stone and tumble. Nevertheless, it appeals to me) mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 14:01:47 -0400 From: greenstudio Subject: cadmium For chrissake, now we've devoted days to joni's ingestion of nicotine, let's move on. How about a week of discussion about the effects of alcohol on her verse (Not nice that "pissed a tequila anaconda" line, not at all, downright inaapropriate for kids...my mommy didn't like it a bit) Or maybe how her hand would be steadier if she hadn't been sucking back cadmium from her paints all these years. She's pissing in yer fireplace guys. Get over it. There's plenty of excellent pipes about and they don't do dick all with them. Like Canada's national embarrassment Celine Dion, ever caterwauling in perfect pitch some piece of drivel with the depth of a ham glaze. Bigger waste than Joni smokiing. What's this "virgin voice" fetish anyway? Bring back the castrados? I quit. bye. Learned a neat trick over the weekend from my niece and nephew. Sing Joni's early stuff in curly-joe voice(Bald one of the three stooges). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:15:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: cadmium -- NJC greenstudio@northcom.net writes: << Learned a neat trick over the weekend from my niece and nephew. Sing Joni's early stuff in curly-joe voice(Bald one of the three stooges). >> Soitanly! (singing) He brings me apples and cheeses, nyuck nyuck nyuck! Moe, Larry, cheese! Moe, Larry, cheese! --Bob PS: I agree with everything you said. I also think that some people are hypercritical of smokers because they have absolutely nothing that makes them feel good about themselves other than the fact that they don't smoke. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:12:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni's smoking cul heath wrote: > Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the object of the addiction is withheld I sure don't want to get onto a big smoking jag-but the above statement was too absurd not to challenge. We could start with emphesema, lung cancer, lip, tongue and throat cancer....I'm not trying to lecture anyone on what they should do with their own bodies and lives. But some smokers on this list wonder why the people around them don't just leave them alone. One reason, other than their psychotic need to control and humiliate you might be that they love you. Some of them have seen their loved ones die premature, painful, undignified deaths, and envision a different alternative. That's all I'm going to say. You are the captain of your own ship. RR btw people die of heroin overdose, lie, steal, etc to do it. There is no benign addiction, but some have a higher cost than others. Some kill you fast (speed), some slow. Worst are the legal ones; cigs, liquor, TV. Life is lethal-but there are no replays. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: cadmium -- NJC I just have to laugh because this time around there were far more emails from people vehemently stating how tiresome, boring, arrogant, whatever it is for people to discuss Joni's smoking, then there were actual emails from people talking about Joni's smoking! Jenny Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: greenstudio@northcom.net writes: << Learned a neat trick over the weekend from my niece and nephew. Sing Joni's early stuff in curly-joe voice(Bald one of the three stooges). >> Soitanly! (singing) He brings me apples and cheeses, nyuck nyuck nyuck! Moe, Larry, cheese! Moe, Larry, cheese! - --Bob PS: I agree with everything you said. I also think that some people are hypercritical of smokers because they have absolutely nothing that makes them feel good about themselves other than the fact that they don't smoke. "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:43:34 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: cadmium -- NJC > I just have to laugh because this time around there were far more emails from people vehemently stating how tiresome, boring, arrogant, whatever it is for people to discuss Joni's smoking, then there were actual emails from people talking about Joni's smoking! LOL..............actually it cracks me up at Whole Foods when people come in asking if we sell cigarettes...yesterday someone asked me if we carry SKOAL. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com > I just have to laugh because this time around there were far more emails from people vehemently stating how tiresome, boring, arrogant, whatever it is for people to discuss Joni's smoking, then there were actual emails from people talking about Joni's smoking! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:10:19 EDT From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 there's a message in me somewhere. i'm just not sure if it's ready to come out. joni mitchell is, above all, an ARTIST. she'd paint with blood if she had to.....berry juice, mud, whatever. she'd make music with sticks and rocks. artists just create; they have to. so this talk of her voice. whether it's better or worse, who knows? who's to say? but it's the instrument she has to use at this point, and she will create as always.... i, for one, have always been amazed and thrilled by her creations. time to quit? if so, it's not for the lack of an amazing instrument. i would imagine that she'll always write, paint, play, sing; i don't imagine she can help it.... and i'm glad. the question is just whether or not she'll share it with us. i certainly hope so, but i suppose there's some greediness in that statement. all i have to do is look at the joni mitchell shelf of my cd collection and i realize the vast treasure she has given me. sincerely, terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:13:28 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 Amen to that. I just know she's got it in her. One last trick up her sleeve. Steve T NP: You Turn Me On...(MOI) - Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:10 PM Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #188 > there's a message in me somewhere. i'm just not sure if it's ready to come > out. joni mitchell is, above all, an ARTIST. she'd paint with blood if she > had to.....berry juice, mud, whatever. she'd make music with sticks and rocks. > artists just create; they have to. so this talk of her voice. whether it's > better or worse, who knows? who's to say? but it's the instrument she has to > use at this point, and she will create as always.... i, for one, have always > been amazed and thrilled by her creations. time to quit? if so, it's not > for the lack of an amazing instrument. i would imagine that she'll always > write, paint, play, sing; i don't imagine she can help it.... and i'm glad. the > question is just whether or not she'll share it with us. i certainly hope > so, but i suppose there's some greediness in that statement. all i have to do > is look at the joni mitchell shelf of my cd collection and i realize the vast > treasure she has given me. > > sincerely, > terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:37:07 +0300 From: jussi Subject: new S+L, Geffen box set ? hi while looking for more information about the geffen box set (didn't find much), i came across this listing: Joni Mitchell Shadows And Light 6/24/2003 anyone know what this might be? (http://www.beindependent.com/releases.asp) about the box set, i only found this: Joni Mitchell Passion Play - The Complete Geffen Recordings [box Set] 9/9/2003 i suppose the tracks will be remastered, but will there be extras on the set? - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:01:28 -0400 From: Bruce Righter Subject: Joni's "Shadows and Light" It's a DVD--I assume of the live performance that gave us the LP "S & L" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:54:49 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Annie Lennox TV appearances - NJC Here is a list of upcoming Annie Lennox television appearances for those Annie Lennox fans on the JMDL Heather ____________________ JUNE 12 Annie will be Dave's special music guest on June 12th. Late Night with Letterman airs on CBS at 11:35 PM EST. JUNE 13 Catch Annie for a special LIVE performance as part of the TODAY Show Concert Series. The TODAY Show airs on NBC from 7-10 AM. JUNE 19 Watch Annie on Primetime Live for one of her few exclusive interviews! Check Primetime Live online for air times. WEEK OF OCTOBER 16 Annie joins Charlie Rose for an intimate interview on PBS. Check your local listings for air times. The ladies of The View sit down with Annie at 11:00am EST on ABC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:10:46 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: Joni in JAZZIZ Just received the July issue of JAZZIZ magazine - the women's issue. There is an article reviewing the Wall-to-Wall Joni event (that took place in March for chrissakes!) and a jazz review of Joni by Rachel Z. I will scan the articles into a Word document (including images). If anyone would like a copy, please e-mail me privately. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:18:44 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: joni's smoking In almost every interview I've ever heard, she's been asked about smoking. Guys, she's well-read. She's aware that smoking is a health risk. She's tried to kick many times. She seems to be super-human in other areas. I don't think Homer's Achilles would like to talk about his feet all the time, right? And now, a word from our sponsor.... Support my vacation: Buy my amp! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3029578048 Lama np: "1" on a dead-silent, extra-heavy pressing. As Simon would say, "Same as it ever was." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:55:52 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: njc The Pianist, Szpilman, Chopin At 6/7/2003 02:09 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: >synchronicity...i just watched the pianist tonight for the first time & >rewound to hear chopin's nocturne in c#minor again...chopin is my favorite >among the 'classical' musicians... I enjoyed that movie very much... Interestingly, there's an "error" in the movie. The book (and maybe even the movie) states that Wladyslaw played Nocturne in C# Minor for the German officer. But in fact the piece that they actually played in the movie at that point was an edited version of the Ballade #1 in G Minor. Don't know why they chose to switch - maybe the pianist couldn't play the Nocturne. I know this because I'm a huge fan of Chopin's music and I recently heard part-time jmdler Stephanie Morrison play the unedited Ballade #1 in G Minor at a recital in Denver. It was brilliant! Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cadmium --- greenstudio wrote: > For chrissake, now we've devoted days to joni's > ingestion of nicotine, > let's move on. How about a week of discussion about > the effects of > alcohol on her verse (Not nice that "pissed a > tequila anaconda" line, > not at all, downright inaapropriate for kids...my > mommy didn't like it a > bit) Has there been THAT much discussion about Joni's smoking habit? All I've noticed is people telling other people to f**k themselves and to stop acting righteous. I hadn't noticed anyone doing that. Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's smoking --- Randy Remote wrote: > cul heath wrote: > > > Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving > armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the > object of the addiction is withheld I've never met anyone who was addicted to armpit and leg shaving. How tragic. Especially if done with a rusty razorblade. Ouch - that's gotta hurt! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cadmium -- NJC --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > I just have to laugh because this time around there > were far more emails from people vehemently stating > how tiresome, boring, arrogant, whatever it is for > people to discuss Joni's smoking, then there were > actual emails from people talking about Joni's > smoking! > Good. It wasn't just me, then. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cadmium -- NJC --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > LOL..............actually it cracks me up at Whole > Foods when people come > in asking if we sell cigarettes...yesterday someone > asked me if we carry > SKOAL. Well, how 'bout them ORGANIC cigarettes? LOL! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:23:03 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: joni's smoking njc Catherine McKay wrote: >> >> > >I've never met anyone who was addicted to armpit and >leg shaving. How tragic. > I don't get why women, regardless of how feminist they may be, follow this male dictat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:21:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: cadmium njc Catherine McKay wrote: > All I've noticed is people telling >other people to f**k themselves > why is it that when people get annoyed with others, they suggest they go and do somehting so pleasurable? (well something one can of course) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:23:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: cadmium -- NJC Catherine McKay wrote: >> >> > >Well, how 'bout them ORGANIC cigarettes? LOL! > they are still carcinogenic > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:20:54 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Important Jonifest Information- Last Call! As you all know, June 15th is the deadline for all forms, money, etc. for Jonifest. It's also no secret that we have not met our numbers quota. Since Full Moon receives calls on an almost daily basis to book rooms for the summer months, one of the options I have to meet my obligations to Full Moon is to release the empty rooms to them to sell to outside people that want a weekend in the Catskills. Unfortunately, what this means is that if I do this, we would no longer have the place exclusively. It would be my preference to fill Full Moon with Jonifesters. This is a *last * call for anyone that is still on the fence to go to Jonifest. I only need ten more people to secure Full Moon exclusively for Jonifest. On June 16th, if I dont have the required number that I need, I will call Full Moon to release those rooms that are not yet taken. I URGE you, if you are on the fence about Jonifest, or if you have decided to come but haven't sent the money yet, PLEASE send what you need to me so it is IN HAND by June 15th. Hugs, Ashara www.jonifest.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:46:43 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: PermaVine Update Just for the record, I've sent the PermaVine original that I had to Terry, email address; TerryM2222. Anyone not owning a CD burner that wants a copy may contact her. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:14:13 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 Bob Murphy - You must realize how interested I am in this subject, and yet you were so careless in typing your links that I could not find even one of the articles you listed in your post. How infuriating ! How insensitive ! I think all insensitive people should go to hell.............. Er, you weren't yanking my chain, were you ? You were ?! Your post was directed at me, wasn't it ? It wasn't ?! Never mind. Bobsart On June 9 the following items were published: 1953: "Saskatoon Girl Claims Cigarette Smoking Cured Polio" - The Plains Gazette (Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=768547 1969: "I Am Joni's Lung" - Reader's Digest (Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=383426 1974: "Make Lovely Ashtrays from Your Old Dulcimers" - Better Homes and Gardens (Crafts tips) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=510326 1977: "How to Tune Your Guitar to Your Nagging Cough" - Alternative Guitar Magazine (Interview with guitar tabs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=422219 1986: "'I Could Smoke a Carton of You,' Gasps Folk Legend" - Cigarette Aficionado (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=779299 1998: "Joni Mitchell Finds Lost Cigarettes Through Internet" - People Magazine (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=419941 2000: "I inhale my nicotine and I exhale my joy" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=513299 2002: "Pop Icon Receives Lifetime Achievement Award" - Winston Salem Independent (Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=037937 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:28:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 --NJC Bob S. writes: << Your post was directed at me, wasn't it ? >> Sorry, Bob. My post was directed at everyone on the JMDL because I love you ALL the same. (Except for a few special ones scattered all over -- from here to Mexico way.) Why don't you come to Jonifest? We're short a few Bobs! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:34:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 --NJC how about further south..? wally, south of mexico - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Martes, 10 de Junio de 2003 12:28 a.m. Para: Bobsart48@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 --NJC Bob S. writes: << Your post was directed at me, wasn't it ? >> Sorry, Bob. My post was directed at everyone on the JMDL because I love you ALL the same. (Except for a few special ones scattered all over -- from here to Mexico way.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:59:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Smoking Links: June 9 --NJC Wally writes: << how about further south..? >> Of course, Wally. My JMDL love extends past Mexico all the way down to New Zealand and Australia and all across Europe and then back to Canada and all thoughout the West and Midwest and then back to the Northeast. I mentioned Mexico because I know you're Mexican. Have you moved? XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:37:48 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: Re: joni's smoking njc hi catherine :) Oh yes, I was sorely addicted to leg and pit shaving for all of my teen years...why even today I sometimes feel the urge to grab the closest female and shave her on the spot....but I am not an animal, so I sublimate the dark urges by quickly offering them gum or by pointing out the fatness of nearby ankle and then rolling my eyes in a way that instantly makes me seem one of the girls in the know. hi colin :) colin wrote: Catherine McKay wrote: I've never met anyone who was addicted to armpit and leg shaving. How tragic. I don't get why women, regardless of how feminist they may be, follow this male dictate hahaha...well apparently because the Puritanically repressed North American male by default seeks to enlarge his "dominion" over his female human chattle as it were, by demanding they appear prepubescent in order that the husband be thereby comparitively elevated to the familial apex role of "father". On the other hand, advertizing firms working for the dupont chemical type companies were given the post WWI task of coming with domestic uses for the incredibly versatile and recently invented product called nylon. Since nylon is naturally sheer while the standard silk stocking of the day was opaque, the idea of substituting nylon for far more expensive silk was a great idea except for the way that leg hairs showed through the nylon as fairly ugly matted clumps. Soon the advertizers began pushing the youth function idea as a way of women increasing their chances of marrying up the social scale by running ad campaigns that fecalred that higher up and educated gentlemen prefered the "freshly fertile" look. the arm pits were a sort of a natural extension of that and also fit the trend of the wwI who had become accustomed to the reglation short head hair demanded by the trench fighting to avoid the constant assault of head lice. It was the first time in North America that short hair on men had after the war become a sign of having served. Men with longish hair were seen as those who had avoided the call to duty and thus all men began to shorten their hair to a crew cut so as to not be looked down upon. The same momentum easily carried over the women and was added to the campaign for hair shaving in that manner. Eventually, the short haired style became so ubiquitous in the culture enough time passed that to a new generation who had no idea about the hygenic connection of the trenches simply regarded it natural for men to have short head hair and for them to prefer smooth, shaven yet long tressed women. And even to this day it freaks American boys and girls out on the beach to see a naturally hirsute female. "Yech", I believe is the correct response. Hence there is a certain degree of addiction to the need to shave legs and armpits in order to comply with the cultural norm. People tend to be less experimental on the whole when it comes to getting laid or not. Another charming aspect of the "short hair equals patriotism" meme was that long haired males in the 60's and 70's were harrassed in the extreme for wearing hair styles that were exactly the same as the founding fathers and even Jesus Christ . c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:25:15 -0700 From: cul heath Subject: Re: joni's smoking Randy Remote wrote: cul heath wrote: Most addictions (including TV watching, shaving armspits and legs,etc) are only a problem when the object of the addiction is withheld I sure don't want to get onto a big smoking jag- sure you do but the above statement was too absurd not to challenge. ok...go for it... We could start with emphesema, lung cancer, lip, tongue and throat cancer.... is that spread out several courses or does it come as one sort sweetbread melange? I always found the mix of gasping emphesema and slurred the speech of advanced tongue cancer to somewhat contradictive to the arual palette and therforefore bit hard to swallow, but perhaps you have discovered a new technique of bringing them together in the same old argument. You of course do realize that all of those diseases occur in the nonsmoker as well? Smoking is simply the latest religious whipping boy and the fervor with with it is attacked by one and all as the prime cause of modern lung, mouth and (fill in the blank) does a disservice to everyone in that so much energy is spent on the obvious tabacco cause of such ailments that manyother equally or even more dangerous environmental agents are let off the hook and continue to go into the environment unchallenged and for the most incredibly under-investigated. Consider that there has been a huge reduction the percentage of the population which smokes and yet, lung cancer has not decreased proportionately at all. In fact, many ailments which had formerly been assigned as probably caused by smoking in the past are not being reduced but rather are on an incredible increase. I think that while smoking is not an activity one should take up as a habit, ie, as a constant fixture of one's day to day life, that mild smoking likely has no effect whatsoever on the overall health of an individual that has a reasonable amount of aerobic activity in their lives and that like many other pleasures which involve intentionally disturbing the homeostatic functions of the human body (like sex or hard dancing or skydiving for instance) there is always a bit of cellular damage to account for afterwards, but it is generally within the recovery capacity of the body undergoing the normal stresses of living . In fact such willful expenditures of cellular resources seem to be advantagous. The real killers are: 1) chemicals that mimic normal human hormones(many fertilizers and pesticides have breakdown components that act like estrogen in many ways) 2) Stress, caused by : a) Crowding b) Frustration c) Performance expectations 3) Perpetual state of sleep deprivation 4) The Great Disconnect I'm not trying to lecture anyone on what they should do with their own bodies and lives. Me either...:) But some smokers on this list wonder why the people around them don't just leave them alone. One reason, other than their psychotic need to control and humiliate you might be that they love you. Love is no excuse whatsoever for not trusting a person to make their own decision and live their own lives. In fact without that trust the love you speak to is really arrogance wrapped in a falsely sweet sentimental wrapper. We all sense this. It is why no one wants to be patronized. It requires a state of belittlement in orer to achieve its ends, which is primarly:"Do (or Dont do) that in order to please me." Some of them have seen their loved ones die premature, painful, undignified deaths, and envision a different alternative. I know...and I respect that point of view. I just don't let it win automatically That's all I'm going to say. You are the captain of your own ship. RR Thank you... btw people die of heroin overdose, lie, steal, etc to do it. There is no benign addiction, but some have a higher cost than others. Some kill you fast (speed), some slow. Worst are the legal ones; cigs, liquor, TV. Life is lethal-but there are no replays. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #320 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)