From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #294 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 20 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 294 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Abe NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: for the roses ["Garret" ] Joni's songwiting methods [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: [NortheastJonifest] may 17!!!! and some other quick hellos n jc [Rec] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #166 [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: may 17!!!! njc ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: for the roses [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #166 [Catherine McKay ] the big one -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] FW: [NortheastJonifest] may 17!!!! and some other quick hellos n jc [Rec] Kashmir Klub (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one!, NJC [] Re: may 17!!!! njc ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Abe NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Perma-Vine [Mary Casey ] RE: may 17!!!! njc ["Heather" ] Re: Kashmir Klub (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Joni's songwiting methods njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] JT bio w/Joni content [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: the big one -- NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one!, +Stoltz Info NJC [Michae] Another day at Whole Foods (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Today in History: May 20 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: May 20 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:34:30 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Abe NJC I too have enjoyed all this talk about Lincoln and the historical background and explanation of his views and actions. Here is mini portrait of him. mike in barcelona Abe comes from Kentucky. There, his father wielded the ax and pounded the hammer, and the cabin had walls and a roof and beds of dry leaves. Every day his ax cut wood for the fire, and one day it wrested from the forest the wood needed to bury Abe's mother under the snow. Abe was a small boy when that hammer knocked in those wooden nails for the mother who would never again make white bread on Saturdays, or flutter those ever-perplexed eyes; and the ax brought in wood to make a raft so that the father could take his children down river to Indiana. He comes from Indiana. There Abe draws his first letters with a charcoal, and becomes the best railsplitter in the district. He comes from Illinois. In Illinois, he loves a woman named Ann and marries another named Mary, who speaks French and has started the crinoline fashion in the city of Springfield. Mary decides that Abe will be president of the United States. While she is bearing boy children, he writes speeches and a few poems in the sad island of his mind, that magic island bathed in liquid light. He comes from the Capitol in Washington. Leaning from the window, he sees the slave market, a kind of stable where blacks are penned up like horses. He comes from the White House. He came to it promising agrarian reform and protection for industry, and proclaiming that anyone depriving another of his freedom is not worthy of enjoying it himself. He entered the White House swearing he would govern in such a way as still to have a friend inside himself when he no longer had friends. He governs in wartime and in wartime fulfills all his promises. At dawn, he can be seen in slippers, standing at the White House door, waiting for the newspaper. He comes unhurriedly. Abraham Lincoln is never in a hurry. He walks like a duck, setting his enormous feet down flat, and juts out like a tower from the multitude that acclaim him. He enters the theater and slowly mounts the stairs into the presidential box. In the box, over flowers and flags, his bony, long-necked head cuts a profile in the shadows, and in the shadows shine the sweetest eyes and most melancholy smile in America. He comes from victory and from dream. Today is Good Friday and five days ago General Lee surrendered. Last night, Lincoln dreamed of a sea of mystery and a strange ship that sailed toward misty shores. Lincoln comes from his whole life, walking unhurriedly toward this appointment in the box of the comedy theater in the city of Washington. Now comes toward him the bullet that splits open his head. Eduardo Galeano - 'Memory of Fire' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:10:26 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: for the roses What a nice discussion to with which to get re-introduced to the list:) I think ye are both on the right track, FTR could be about James or Joni. Afterall, isn't she "our lady of duality" and all that. The lyrics don't necessarily have to be about just one person, or indeed, different parts can refer to different people. I sincerely believe that Joni likes the idea of some sort of ambiguity in her work *particularly* on FTR and Blue; confessional as her lyrics may have been, she was poet-enough to dress them up a little and leave herself some space for self-protection. She would probably like to know that theories abound as to what she is saying, but she's not going to make interpreting her songs an easy task! And then, the songs really are what they mean to each of us (Constructive Alternativism and all that, lol) It's good to be back. GARRET np- Ocean Colour Scene, Day We Caught The Train ("ooh oh la la, ooh oh la la...") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:36:59 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's songwiting methods Welcome Matty! Like Ken says, the "Library" on the JMDL site is unsurpassed as a clearinghouse of articles and Joni writings. Happy hunting! Additionally, there are some audio interviews available (some transcribed as articles in the library) where Joni discusses her songwriting. For the most part, she composes song structure and writes music and chord changes, then lets the words follow to fit the structure. There are several cases where she performed "songs" before she had lyrics...Passion Play, Two Grey Rooms, Not To Blame were all conceived musically before they were filled in verbally, which is amazing to me because her words are SO DAMN good, you'd think it would be the other way 'round. Just another sign of the woman's genius, I s'pose... Again - welcome, thanks for your post and don't be a stranger. Bob NP: Pearl Jam, "crazy mary" 11/6/00 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:43:42 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] may 17!!!! and some other quick hellos n jc Dearest Smurphbob, happy happy happy birthday!!! You are undoubtedly the wittiest of all the smurphs, and I can say this with some certainty, as I come from the land where the Smurphs are MADE! (Sigh, we all have our crosses to bear, but fortunately we also have Jacques Brel...) Thank you for trying to immortalise me in your beautiful and strangely moving camp song. Yes, you tried, but actually dear Bob you "mortalised" me... Although of course I am an excellent swimmer, I have this little caveat that I need to keep my eyes strictly ABOVE the water level, so by making me dive INTO the pool, you made sure I never came out! Ah well, if anyone wants to write about me (you see I do the diva bit quite well!), I would kindly request they send me out hiking instead. And while I'm here: gosh how I wish I had more time to post! I've just about caught up with all the digests I was behind on, and realise I also wanted to wish COLIN all the best with his health - and congratulate him on all those lost pounds - and wish STEPHEN a very happy birthday, and make some comments on why I think it's getting so hard for our dear Ashara to get enough deposits together for the Jonifest - yes that's how far behind I was with all the posts, it's hopeless... Anyway I still have this little idea about the exchange of books at Jonifest that was mentioned by Mags, I hope to send a separate post about that soon with a practical suggestion that I think would be fun. Till soon and lots of love, Lieve. [The birthday fairy announced:] MORTALS AND SUPERNATURAL BEINGS ALIKE CELEBRATE THE HAPPIEST DAY ON EARTH TODAY THE TIME HAS COME TO GREET OUR ONE AND ONLY S M U R P H" HaPpYBiRtHdAy BOB MURPHY THE BF'S PET AND APPLE OF ITS (splendidly made up) EYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the BF retires to a corner of the universe to contemplate the beauty of the mighty smurph.) ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:47:32 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #166 ). Walt wrote (my comments/replies inserted) about FTR being an open letter to JT (to which I agree) i may be wrong, but james had huge sucesses with "sweet baby" and "mudslide" by then. joni had yet to have her "court and spark" success. i believe she was critically successfull by then but had not reached james mass success." Well, I may be wrong, but Joni released LOTC and Blue at the same time James release SBJ and MSS. And before that, she had won a grammy. I do not think that he was a much bigger name than she was at that time, and certainly not at the time they were seeing each other (which pre-dated the release of FTR by some time - by then, they had crashed and burned, as memorialized a bit in "Electricity" and "See you sometime") . During the famous BBC concert (12/70, I believe) currently being circulated via PermaVine, I think that Joni was clearly the top bill (although I have long suspected that it was originally intended to be her concert, and she sort of let him - or asked him to - crash it). Also, she has said in interviews that she felt she probably helped his career more than he helped hers by their association. "I'm not after a piece of your fortune or your fame, cause I've tasted mine". Her fame came first, although it is possible that because of his two "hits" he was more widely known than Joni by the time FTR was released. "they toss around your latest golden egg..." I think that the open letter contains some reminiscences common to both of them that she was sharing with him - this is one. So was "and he was seen on a lot more "giant screens" but she was seen on them too also the image of an artist pouring simple sorrows to " the soundhole and your knee" seem to me a much more masculine/james image rather than a joni one. not to mention at the time his songs were steeped in sorrow a lot more than hers. Another reminiscence common to both of them, IMO. As far as whose songs were more steeped in sorrow, I think even our lady of sorrows would disagree with you there. "I sing my sorrow and I paint my joy", etc. Also, JT had quite a few upbeat songs in his early collection - more so proportionately than Joni, IMO. And I am confident that Joni also felt the simplicity of her own pouring of her simple sorrows to the sound hole and her knee., and was sharing it with JT in theis letter. also the line "did you get a round resounding for you way up here" seems to be tinged with more than a touch of sarcasm. I do not feel any sarcasm here. She goes on "It seems like many dims years ago sicne I heard that face to face" - a long time she she had felt such round resounding - another reminiscence. Finally, the whoe second verse is general in nature - relating to the business in general (to both of them, as well), and to anyone in the business. And the 4th verse is about her - note the "I" throughout. Yes, it is an open letter to JT. But the messages are those of sharing and recalling these commonalities. Such as Up the charts, Off to the airport Your name's in the new Everthing's first class The lights go down- And it's just you up there Getting them to feel like that. As far as time of year goes - "chilly now, end of summer" in Canada says it all to me. (I know this relates to someone else's post). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:42:19 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: may 17!!!! njc I'm two days late - and that makes me more than two dollars short - for these birthday wishes for Mr. Bob "smurph" Murphy. A dear man with an ability to tickle my funny bone as easily and most of us draw breath, with values that make him one of my most favorite people - happy belated birthday, dear smurph, and may your new decade be one filled with love, joy and peace. Your #1 fan - Maggie -----Original Message----- From: Wally Kairuz [mailto:wallykai@fibertel.com.ar] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:50 AM To: Murphycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: may 17!!!! njc WHAT DEEP EMOTION INFUSES THE GENEROUS SOUL of the JMDL BIRTHDAY FAIRY. UNIQUELY ENDOWED WITH ASSORTED GIFTS AND VISIONS AS IT IS ITS AMPLE BOSOM HEAVES AND QUIVERS ITS DIAPHANOUS WINGS MADLY AFLUTTER IN THE COSMIC BREEZES EVER-CHASTE AND UNBLEMISHED THE FAIRY CALLS OUT: "NOW HEAR THIS: MORTALS AND SUPERNATURAL BEINGS ALIKE CELEBRATE THE HAPPIEST DAY ON EARTH TODAY THE TIME HAS COME TO GREET OUR ONE AND ONLY S M U R P H" HaPpYBiRtHdAy BOB MURPHY THE BF'S PET AND APPLE OF ITS (splendidly made up) EYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the BF retires to a corner of the universe to contemplate the beauty of the mighty smurph.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:02:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: for the roses --- Garret wrote: > What a nice discussion to with which to get > re-introduced to the list:) .... > It's good to be back. > GARRET Hey, good to have you back, too! Catherine, who enjoys every post Mark in/near Seattle ever sends. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #166 --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > ). > Walt wrote (my comments/replies inserted) about > FTR being an open letter to JT (to which I agree) > > i may be wrong, but james had huge sucesses with > "sweet baby" and "mudslide" by then. > joni had yet to have her "court and spark" success. > i believe she was critically successfull by then > but had not reached james mass success." I always figure, even when Joni is writing to, or about, another person, she is also writing to, or about, herself. In particular, when she sings, "Remember the days when you used to sit and make up your tunes for love, and pour your simple sorrow to the soundhole and your knee", that's where "you" and "I" are totally fused. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:37:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: the big one -- NJC Thank you all -- all 799 of you! -- for the birthday wishes. In a rare display of discretion, the beloved Birthday Fairy omitted the fact that this birthday was a major one. How major? Let's put it this way for those of you who faithfully follow the JMDL posts: I am now as old as McKay. Or to put it another way, my friend Pierre -- whose 6th birthday is coming up - -- and I were recently figuring out how many months old we would be on our birthdays. He will be 72 months old this week. I am now 600 months old. Thanks for making my birthday even happier! --Bob, who is now waiting for the mailman to arrive with his AARP welcome packet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:37:27 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: FW: [NortheastJonifest] may 17!!!! and some other quick hellos n jc Sort of copy, late, anyway... - -----Original Message----- From: Reckers, Lieve Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 4:34 PM To: 'NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] may 17!!!! and some other quick hellos n jc Catherine, you've made me so happy! You unfuzzed my brain, I think! I was just thinking how to explain that "les schtroumpfs" was only what the French speaking Belgians called the little blue men, but that "de smurfen" were made by a Dutch speaking Belgian (i.e. a Flemish person) when suddenly through the mist of time my memory lit up and told me: THE GUY WAS DUTCH! Yes, proper Dutch from the other side of the border! (I got confused because I think he's from the Dutch province of Limburg which is very close to Belgium, I'm actually from the Belgian side of Limburg) but hey Limburg Schlimburg, HE'S DUTCH! Uncle John can take over the guilt, I'm FREE! Ah, thank you Catherine dear! I am copying this correction to the Jonilist because my mistake was also sent there, and those messages are archived and I would not want this slur on Belgium to go into the eternal records! Lieve in London. -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [SMTP:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:05 PM To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] may 17!!!! and some other quick hellos n jc --- reckersl@ebrd.com wrote: --------------------------------- Dearest Smurphbob, happy happy happy birthday!!! You are undoubtedly the wittiest of all the smurphs, and I can say this with some certainty, as I come from the land where the Smurphs are MADE! (Sigh, we all have our crosses to bear, but fortunately we also have Jacques Brel...) Aren't they called "les schtroumpfs" over there (not sure about the spelling, but it's close, n'est-ce pas? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor - ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/9rHolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This email has been virus scanned ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:55:42 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Kashmir Klub (NJC) In a message dated 19/05/2003 04:20:58 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > > I went with Chris and Strings along to the Kashmir Klub in London last > night. You may know that this is a gorgeous little live music club devoted > to showcasing new musical and songwriting talent. I've been a regular in > the > audience for years, and was hoping that Stryngs would play there sometime > soon. Unfortunately, the owner of the building has decided to sell it, and > so has shut the venue down - last night was the Last Night. :( > > > Sadly, the end of an era. > > Hi Martin, The closing of the Kasmir is indeed a tragedy, especially for the various JMDL members who have met up there from time to time. However, I have heard that something on similar lines is due to open elsewhere in London soon. I'll let you know more as soon as I have details. Regards, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:15:28 -0400 From: Subject: Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one!, NJC Remember the chick on bouzouki in Paz'es band at PazFest? She's on the PazFest 2 CD set (available at www.cdbaby.com) Her love of poly-rhythms is intact on her new album, "TAKE SOME FIRE". She's using a new band, "Kalafka" on this one. Her trademark attention to harmony is evident, as ever and the band widens her already wonderful palette of colors. My favorite new color is Clyde Thompson's fiddle. In places it pulls her towards gypsy and in others towards mountian music. A military snare is a new color for Beth's music, which adds even more variety to the generous 15 track CD. There are too many influences to count, which is just how I like it. Lama Available now with full lyrics and wonderful artwork at www.louisianamusicfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:47:58 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: may 17!!!! njc I'm a little late, but wanted to wish you the happiest of birthdays Smurphy! And remember... 600 months is not old if you're a tree! Pain relief is just a shuffle away! You know you're old when your back goes out more than you do! If anyone else has any "old" jokes to add please feel free...ha ha love donna This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:50:47 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Abe NJC Glad you enjoyed the vignette of Lincoln. Here is Galeano's sketch of Jefferson, taken also from 'Memory of Fire' Jefferson: The writer of the Declaration of Independence, the United States' birth certificate, is a man of a thousand talents and concerns. Tireless reader of thermometers, barometers, and books, Thomas Jefferson seeks and finds, pursuing the revelations of nature and wanting to embrace all dimensions of human thought. He is assembling a fabulous library and a universe of stones, fossils, and plants; and he knows all that can be known about neoplatonic philosophy, Latin grammar, the structure of the Greek language, and the organization of society throughout history. He knows everything about his land of Virginia, every son and grandfather of every family, every blade of grass; and he is up-to-date on all the technical novelties in the world. He enjoys trying out steam engines, new types of plows, and original methods of producing butter and cheese. He imagined his mansion of Monticello and designed and built it faultlessly. The Puritans counted the population by "souls." Jefferson counts it by "individuals of the human species." Within the species, blacks are almost equal. Black have fair memories and no imagination, and their poor intelligence could never understand Euclid. Aristocrat of Virginia, Jefferson preaches democracy, a democracy of proprietors, and freedom of thought and religion; but he defends the hierarchies of sex and color. His educational plans do not include women, or Indians, or blacks. Jefferson condemns slavery and is, and will continue to be, a slave owner. Mulattas attract him more than white women, but loss of racial purity panics him and he thinks the mixture of bloods is the worst of the temptations besetting the white colonist. Eduardo Galeano - 'Memory of Fire' vol II ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:31:20 -0700 From: Mary Casey Subject: Perma-Vine I have sent the original disc to Emily in Wisconsin and am providing a copy to Terry as soon as I get the address. Thanks for making this all possible. Keep the love alive. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:39:58 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: may 17!!!! njc A belated happy birthday Bob!! gee Donna ... should we count Bob's rings to see how old he REALLY is!? ;-D Don't worry about getting old, Bob. I'll be there soon enough to join you. I'm looking forward to my Advil drip on my 50th. love to all, Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Donna Binkley Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:48 PM To: Murphycopy@aol.com; RoseMJoy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org; groovchacha@yahoo.com; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: may 17!!!! njc I'm a little late, but wanted to wish you the happiest of birthdays Smurphy! And remember... 600 months is not old if you're a tree! Pain relief is just a shuffle away! You know you're old when your back goes out more than you do! If anyone else has any "old" jokes to add please feel free...ha ha love donna This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:28:53 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Kashmir Klub (NJC) In a message dated 19/05/2003 18:57:01 GMT Daylight Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: > The closing of the Kasmir is indeed a tragedy, especially for the various > JMDL members who have met up there from time to time. I too am mourning the closing of London's best live music venue, a place where I have seen more great performances than I can remember. I'd been going there for most of its existence, first lured there by the chance of seeing Annabel Lamb play live. Well, she's since become a friend, and I've made other friends there along the way. I don't know how I'll get used to it not being there any more! I used to do reports for their website (shameless plug coming up, please avert your eyes if you are of a nervous disposition), and wrote a final piece a few weeks ago - though strangely I'd had the idea to do it before I knew it was closing! Anyway, if you want to read some breathless hyperbole, especially those of you who had a chance to go there, go to www.kashmirklub.com, click on "Koolgossip" and follow the link to my piece. Azeem in London NP: Tony Moore - The Rules of Passion (live at the Kash, sniff...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:33:04 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's songwiting methods njc In a message dated 19/05/2003 13:37:57 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << NP: Pearl Jam, "crazy mary" 11/6/00 >> Hey Bob, this is the only Pearl jam recording I can bear! I've got it on the Victoria Williams benefit album, whose name escapes me. Normally Eddie Vedder's voice has me running for the off switch, but on this he stops shrieking and really sings. Funnily enough, I don't care for Ms Williams's voice either! Azeem in London NP: Julia Johnson - Divine (also live at the Kash) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: JT bio w/Joni content I'm just reading the James Taylor bio, Fire and Rain. It has a chapter about Joni. (pardon me if I missed any previous thread about this...) My overall impression of the book isn't great. The author quotes people who are part of the JT online community. That's like quoting me in a book about Joni. The writing's choppy and sometimes repetitious. The chapter about Joni says she was into some heavy drugs at the time of her relationship with James, the implication being heroine. I'm not sure I buy this. It also says "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" was written abuot JT. I've never thought that was true. There are some other things that doen't jibe. Plus his timeline is kind of warped. Has anyone else read this? What do you think? And again sorry if this is a thread I missed... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:32:12 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: the big one -- NJC Ack the big 5-0 I can't stand it. You are far to old for me to party with now and you still can't make your mind up if you are a top or a bottom?/ Sheesh. Paz > Thank you all -- all 799 of you! -- for the birthday wishes. > > In a rare display of discretion, the beloved Birthday Fairy omitted the fact > that this birthday was a major one. How major? Let's put it this way for > those of you who faithfully follow the JMDL posts: I am now as old as McKay. > Or to put it another way, my friend Pierre -- whose 6th birthday is coming up > -- and I were recently figuring out how many months old we would be on our > birthdays. He will be 72 months old this week. I am now 600 months old. > > Thanks for making my birthday even happier! > > --Bob, who is now waiting for the mailman to arrive with his AARP welcome > packet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 18:40:08 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one!, +Stoltz Info NJC Since this recording Clyde has left the building and the band is now a compact flute/bohdran sp?, drums/percussion, and bass + your Bethness. Check out her great web site at littlebluemen.com Later Paz P.S. While we are pimping people from PazFest. I just got off the phone with Mr. Brian Stoltz who told me he has sold out of his first pressing of his new CD "East of Rampart Street" (1000 copies in under 3 months). He is headed down to south florida this weekend (check out tour dates below). All the shows with PBS are with George Porter on Bass and Russell Batiste on Drums from the Funky Meters. Be prepared to have a funking good time. This band is funky. Also if you like funk music and great guitar playing check out his new cd. 5/14/2003 10PM Monygomery, AL The Capri Theatre w/PBS 5/16/2003 TBA Charleston, SC Music Farm w/PBS 5/17/2003 10PM Atlanta, GA The Brandy House w/PBS 5/22/2003 TBA FT. Lauderdale, FL The Culture Room w/ PBS 5/23/2003 TBA Tampa, FL The Twilight w/ PBS 5/24/2003 TBA Jacksonville, FL Freebird cafe' w/ PBS 5/25/2003 TBA Tallahasee, FL Pot Belly's w/PBS 5/29/2003 10PM Fairfax, CA 19 Broadway w/PBS 5/30/2003 10PM San Francisco, CA Boom Boom Room w/PBS 5/31/2003 TBA San Francisco, CA Black & White Ball w/PBS 6/12/2003 TBA Chattanooga, TN River Bend fest w/ PBS 6/16/2003 10PM Nantucket, MA The Chicken Box w/PBS 6/17/2003 10PM Nantucket, MA The Chicken Box w/PBS 6/18/2003 10PM Boston, MA House Of Blues w/PBS 6/19/2003 10PM Burlington,VT Higher Ground w/PBS 6/21/2003 TBA Long Island, NY Habitat For Humanity Benefit w/PBS 6/22/2003 10PM Falls Church, VA State Theater w/PBS > Remember the chick on bouzouki in Paz'es band at PazFest? She's on the > PazFest 2 CD set (available at www.cdbaby.com) > > Her love of poly-rhythms is intact on her new album, "TAKE SOME FIRE". She's > using a new band, "Kalafka" on this one. Her trademark attention to harmony > is evident, as ever and the band widens her already wonderful palette of > colors. > > My favorite new color is Clyde Thompson's fiddle. In places it pulls her > towards gypsy and in others towards mountian music. A military snare is a new > color for Beth's music, which adds even more variety to the generous 15 track > CD. There are too many influences to count, which is just how I like it. > > Lama > > Available now with full lyrics and wonderful artwork at > www.louisianamusicfactory.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:39:04 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Another day at Whole Foods (njc) Sunday morning, at Whole Foods, the satellite radio station played the entire YES "And You and I"...did I already tell you this is a cool place to work?!...followed by Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, etc... Then I got to ring up Emily Saliers (Indigo Girls), though I didn't exactly recognize her at first, you know how you see someone somewhere where you don't expect to and you're not sure it's them. I've actually met her several times over the years though the last time I saw her was probably 4 or 5 years ago...so I said "Don't I know you from somewhere...you're friends with my old landlord, Leigh???" and Emily, "Yeah, Leigh Lidle....I see you all the time." "Victor", "Emily" "Good to see you again." Made the day a little more interesting, plus it's cool to know that there's at least one famous person who knows who I am. NP: Beck-Sea Change PS. Cd release party for PARSONAGE LANE set for June 21st at Whole Foods! *private party to follow at the estate on Butlers Lane Victor Johnson waytoblu@mindspring.com Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:38:55 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: JT bio w/Joni content In a message dated 20/05/2003 00:06:54 GMT Daylight Time, anne@sandstrom.com writes: > The chapter about Joni says she was into some heavy > drugs at the time of her relationship with James, the > implication being heroine. I'm not sure I buy this. I haven't read the book Anne, but I remember clearly a quote from Joni in quite a long interview, I think in Q. She was talking about drugs, and how naive she had been when she first got in with the Laurel Canyon set. But, she said, in response to prompting from the interview, "Oh yeah, I tried everything! Well, except mainlining heroin, as I figured the best thing that could happen would be that I didn't like it [or words to that effect]" So, I suppose that could mean that she tried heroin, by snorting or smoking it, but I'd be pretty sure she never injected it or became hooked. She did, of course, disclose that some of Hejira was written under the influence of Charlie (and I don't mean Mingus or Parker...) - that's a bit of a challenge to those of us who now associate coke excess with monstrosities like the third Oasis album... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:59:13 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one!, njc Hi JMDLers, I'm Jim L'Hommedieu again and tonight I'm stoking the fire. Which songwriter's lyrics inspired the following quote? "Whether it's themes of cathartic self-discovery or streams of consciousness channelings where not all is initially understood, her heady lyrics are often multi-layered in meaning. They're such that interpretations can alter with each passing listen, where new meanings are continuously being revealed." Bob Dylan? No, sorry. You missed the gender tipoff. Joni? No, sorry. Ann Wilson? Beth Patterson. (OffBeat Magazine, of New Orleans, LA, USA 2002) Now me. She has the mysticism of Celtic music but every song is uptempo. Each of her 2 CDs so far has a multi-layered, ever shifting acapella track. She uses rhythm tricks than most rock percussionists yet she plays a stringed instrument. I guess you guys can tell I'm not gonna write a review in one whack. I'm gonna pester you with it over time until you each buy this disc! BTW, the Louisiana Jukebox show with Beth's songs is now one week in the past. You can still access it on the website though. http://www.louisianajukebox.com/avwebcast.htm Jim PS, Paz, what kind of pimp are you? Beth comes out with a new one and you don't tell your JMDL CD buyers?! You've been off-list too long. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:56:15 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Beth Patterson's TAKE SOME FIRE, a new one!, njc You da king of da pimp ho daddies! You are doing just fine! Paz > Hi JMDLers, I'm Jim L'Hommedieu again and tonight I'm stoking the fire. > > Which songwriter's lyrics inspired the following quote? > > "Whether it's themes of cathartic self-discovery or streams of consciousness > channelings where not all is initially understood, her heady lyrics are > often multi-layered in meaning. They're such that interpretations can alter > with each passing listen, where new meanings are continuously being > revealed." > > Bob Dylan? No, sorry. You missed the gender tipoff. > Joni? No, sorry. > Ann Wilson? > > Beth Patterson. (OffBeat Magazine, of New Orleans, LA, USA 2002) > > Now me. She has the mysticism of Celtic music but every song is uptempo. > Each of her 2 CDs so far has a multi-layered, ever shifting acapella track. > She uses rhythm tricks than most rock percussionists yet she plays a > stringed instrument. I guess you guys can tell I'm not gonna write a review > in one whack. I'm gonna pester you with it over time until you each buy > this disc! BTW, the Louisiana Jukebox show with Beth's songs is now one > week in the past. You can still access it on the website though. > http://www.louisianajukebox.com/avwebcast.htm > > Jim > > PS, Paz, what kind of pimp are you? Beth comes out with a new one and you > don't tell your JMDL CD buyers?! You've been off-list too long. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 02:18:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: the big one -- NJC michael, darling: VERSATILE. never heard? wally, just assuming - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Michael Paz Enviado el: Lunes, 19 de Mayo de 2003 10:32 p.m. Para: Bob Murphy; Joni Digest Asunto: Re: the big one -- NJC Ack the big 5-0 I can't stand it. You are far to old for me to party with now and you still can't make your mind up if you are a top or a bottom?/ Sheesh. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 02:07:46 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: May 20 1988: Joni had a solo art exhibit at the Parco Gallery in Toyko that coincided with the release there of Chalk Mark. This show was her first "for sale" art exhibition. 1994: A three day concert billed as "The Great Music Experience" and held in Nara, Japan at an 8th century Buddhist Todaiji temple, featured musicians from around the world playing on each others songs. Bob Dylan, the Chieftains, INXS, and many other performers played three nights of music with the final night being a live worldwide broadcast that was also taped for later syndicated release in still other countries. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Nara94.html - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 02:07:46 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 20 On May 20 the following items were published: 1998: "Dylan + Morrison + Mitchell = 1 riveting show" - Contra Costa Times (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=336 1998: "Dylan takes audience on a tour through rock 'n' roll history" - San Jose Mercury News (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=335 1998: "For this fan, 75-minute set is pure ecstasy" - San Jose Mercury News (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=334 1998: "Happy Van, Jazzy Joni, Rockin' Bob" - Seattle Weekly (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=373 1999: "Jazz LP, Concert Tour in Joni Mitchell's future" - Daily News of Los Angeles (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=905 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #294 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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