From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #288 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 16 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 288 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni makes Sorrow a Beautiful Thing [steph@cix.co.uk (Stephanie Danie] : abe/slavery njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: : abe/slavery njc [David Sadowski ] Re: : abe/slavery njc [David Sadowski ] Re: Dr. Atkins [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #282 njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Ganja Line (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Sad news for California...NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Oreo's & etc. NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #282 njc [colin ] RE- Joni's music as therapy [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] RE: Sad news for Califoria.NJC [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: re Atkins (NJC) [SoulQuest7@aol.com] NJC Victor in the house [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: re Atkins (NJC) [colin ] ketosis njc [colin ] Fw: Joni/James permavine Open ["John E McGloin" ] Joni/James Perma-Vine [caseycm@cruzio.com] Re: abe/slavery njc ["ron" ] junk food diets health etc NJC ["ron" ] Joni/James PermaVine CD [Fae Hamilton ] JazzFest 2003 Report (NJC) [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: JazzFest 2003 Report (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: JazzFest 2003 Report (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: re Atkins (NJC) [SoulQuest7@aol.com] Noel Redding (NJC) [vince ] Re: re Atkins (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] some more thoughts: semi-NJC! ["Erin Mc" ] Chuck Mitchell [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] I'll Change for You (Rosanne Cash) [OzWoman321@aol.com] Today in History: May 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: May 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:59 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Stephanie Daniels) Subject: Re: Joni makes Sorrow a Beautiful Thing Hello My friend Anita subscribes to this list and has always viewed Joni Mitchell's music as healing to Anita.She's always said that it helped her get through some dark times. I know Anita won't tell you, so I'll tell you that she also is a really good song writer and her cd is called 'Wounded and Healing'. She has her own web site www.anitagabrielle.com Regards Steph Daniels ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 01:28:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: : abe/slavery njc >but Courtney Love, with Cobain's millions at her disposal was not able to do it-her case was major news for months. < i'm sure she has some bucks from cobain's songwriting, but i think she inherited her own fortune (bausche? or however you spell it) www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:35:26 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: : abe/slavery njc It's not that she wasn't able to do it. She decided to settle the case before the legal issues were resolved in the courts. In other words, she could have done it but decided to take the money and run... and the record label decided to buy her off rather than put the so-called "standard" contract to a legal test. Kate Bennett wrote: >>but Courtney Love, with Cobain's millions at her disposal was not able to >> >> >do it-her case was >major news for months. < > >i'm sure she has some bucks from cobain's songwriting, but i think she >inherited her own fortune (bausche? or however you spell it) > >www.katebennett.com >"Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. >Brilliant writing, absolutely." >Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:38:45 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: : abe/slavery njc As far as inheriting a fortune, I really don't think she got anything from her parents... her dad is Hank Harrison, who wrote a book about the Grateful Dead about 30 years ago. I don't think he has any money and they are not close. I recall reading that she worked at various lowlife jobs (stripper?) before hooking up with Cobain, you would assume she wouldn't have if she'd had money. My guess is the bulk of her cash came from the Cobain connection or she has made it on her own since becoming famous. Kate Bennett wrote: >>but Courtney Love, with Cobain's millions at her disposal was not able to >> >> >do it-her case was >major news for months. < > >i'm sure she has some bucks from cobain's songwriting, but i think she >inherited her own fortune (bausche? or however you spell it) > >www.katebennett.com >"Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. >Brilliant writing, absolutely." >Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:07:19 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: Dr. Atkins Dr. Atkins died because he fell on ice and hit his head. It had nothing to do with his diet. It was a freak accident. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:11:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #282 njc --- Erin Mc wrote: Good health is achieved by food with a > higher nutrient ratio and a lower caloric density. > That's not saying that we should never have some fun > with food or allow some indulgences, but that living > almost exclusively out of boxes, packages, and Fast > Food joints is what's sending us to an early grave. > Hit up those bulk bins -- and the farmer's market! > > Oh, hey there -- I'm Erin, I'm new to the list, and > I enjoy yapping at great length about many things, > not just food and nutrition...pleased to meet you > all. Welcome to the list, Erin. I enjoyed reading your take on healthy diets. I think it's all about balance and reducing the fast food and processed stuff as much as possible. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:08:45 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: The Ganja Line (njc) > Being in the land of Ganja you may accidentally get some whiffs of da > weed and then you will get the munchies and then you will want .... > AN OREO! Yes to da weed ... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to the Oreo!!! Ack. I'll be thinking of all of you while I enjoy my company-paid-for MASSAGE (an "Administrative Professionals' Day" present) on Saturday, sans any fecking Oreos! Loreo ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:10:03 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Sad news for California...NJC > Somehow I think if you poured a bunch of some kind of > liqueur all over the oreos first - like say Kahlua? - > and then put the whipped cream on top (and so on), > that would be even better. And better than THAT would be to SKIP the Oreos. Just pour on the Kahlua! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:32:35 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Oreo's & etc. NJC Hi Erin, & welcome! Since you're a total newbie you get some free passes, but when your posts contain "No Joni Content" please insert an "NJC" in the subject line. This will allow your message to go to those of us who want it ALL and keep it from going to those who just want to hear about Joni. So how did you get turned on to Joni? Do tell! Great to have you onboard Bob, cookie-holic but luckily a fitness nut too. NP: Rumba Club, "This Flight Tonight" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:33:54 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #282 njc Catherine McKay wrote: >> >> > >Welcome to the list, Erin. I enjoyed reading your take >on healthy diets. I think it's all about balance and >reducing the fast food and processed stuff as much as >possible. > this is part of the email my dr sent back in regard to this: Primitive man, before the cultivation of grains, was a hunter/gatherer/scavenver. He existed on a diet of meat, fruits, and seeds. The plains indians were on a similar diet before the advent of the Europeans in the New World. if what you say is true, one wonders how the human race ever survived to consume prodigious quantities of bread, pasta, and refined sugar. > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:52:06 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE- Joni's music as therapy Healing, because when you have felt or are feeling intense sorrow, and you >hear a well-crafted song that so perfectly describes it through imagery, >voice, melody, harmony, it not only provides healing acknowledgment, but >she's helped you comprehend that you are not alone, that your emotion is >universal and beautiful instead of something tragic. > >Make sense? > it makes complete sense, Kate. Myex threapist(now friend) thought lsitening to such music was therapeutic andsahealing for the reasons you describe. > >Kate du Nord >-- I totaly agree with this. I told Joni when we talked in Saskatoon that I listen to her music every day and felt that it is an integral part of my good health therapy for years. I told her I've had Aids for 10 years, she asked "full blowen'/ and I said yes and that I thanked her for giving me the great gift of her soul to heal mine, and that there is no other who can do that. She seemed a little flushed and thanked me for such a wonderful compliment. Peace, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:04:36 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Sad news for Califoria.NJC Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines "jimmies" as follows: > jim-mies \'ji-mez\ n pl [origin unknown] (ca 1947) : tiny rod-shaped bits of > usu. chocolate-flavored candy often sprinkled on ice cream I can first handidly state Jimmy has no tiny rod:-p Peace, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:09:12 EDT From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: Re: re Atkins (NJC) The Dr. Atkin's debate, while having no Joni content, is interesting. Although I've been a lacto-ovo-vegetarian for 28 years, I'm intrigued by several research experiments from last year that showed that people can lower cholesterol (and blood sugar levels) on a high fat high protein diet. (And yes, Atkins died from an accident; he was quite old and look very good and healthy from my observations.) However, I also agree with the counter-argument; that research has to determine whether WHOLE grains cause the same problems that refined grains and sugars do. It bothers me that all these grains and sugars are being lumped together. In fact, there needs to be loads of research on sugar alone. Some people insist it is the corn-based sugars (fructose and high fructose corn syrup?) that are causing cholesterol to turn into the deadly substance that it is. If this is true, then it does rewrite nutritional counseling of the last 20 years. Since I've been involved in the vegetarian and animal rights movements, I've heard many nutritional lectures about the evils of cholesterol and how we shouldn't eat any (i.e. be vegan. I resisted this advice and kept dairy and eggs in my diet simply because I felt better with them there). There has been research that vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of heart disease. However, it would be ironic if it turned out to be a plane-derived item (sugar) in conjunction with animal fats that was wreaking the havoc in our arteries, and that the more logical solution is to get rid of refined sugars. Easier said than done. Who wants to give up all that entails? No baklava? Cherry Garcia ice cream? Galaktoboureko (don't worry, it's one of those big fat Greek things)? Italian whipped cream cakes? Whole wheat maple syrup sweetened butter cookies? And what about grains and potatoes and all the other things Atkins vilifies. Who wants to give up Italian food, fresh bakes breads, basmatic rice, Indian onion kulcha, or baked sweet potatoes, etc? The truth is, it's just plain darn hard to do research on nutrition, because it's hard to isolate all the variables when humans are your research subjects. And long-term research on these diets is even more problematic to obtain. What if it's just an issue of moderation? The anti-carb forces say that the low-fat high-carb diets are responsible for obesity. Well, if your idea of "low fat" means consuming huge amounts of refined flours followed by a desert of sugar-drenched low fat whatever, then probably you will get fat. At the same time, I think a lot of the vegan thought police went overboard villifying animal products in order to serve what was essentially an ethical argument (that people shouldn't eat any animal products to spare the animals the abuses of a callous factory farming industry). It was because of this that I quit listening to animal rights groups for nutritional information because their bias rendered their advice almost as useless as the advice given out by the vested food industry. Also, in the 1970s there was a lot of plain fictitious nonsense being propounded, i.e. that human were designed to be fruitarians. This defies the entire accumulated knowledge of anthropology and nutritional knowledge which concludes that human are physiologically designed to be omnivores (eating both animal and plant foods) and are opportunistic eaters (meaning they eat what is available, ironically, this may be our biggest problem since most of us Westerners in the modern industrial have unlimited access to food). I know something about this, since I'm just starting a diet to lose 15-20 pounds (well, that's what happens when you are over forty and you act like Christmas never ended) and am going to have to sign off and go make my breakfast (egg sandwich with veggies on bagel), look forward to lunch (low fat yogurts and fruit), and dread dinner (I don't like cooking, and somehow being conservative at the end of the day is anti-climatic). --=-= om-=-= Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:52:46 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Victor in the house Last night Victor played the Coffee Underground here in Greenville, with a pair of singer songwriters (Stefanie Fix & Nicki Sutherland) in a "song circle" setting. The attendance was sparse (not enough promotion) but the evening was very enjoyable nonetheless. Three very different approaches to songwriting. Victor was in great spirits and strong voice and played songs from his soon-to-be-released "Parsonage Lane", plus did a nice cover of Amelia, including a nice Joni-inspired vocal slide! Nice touch, Victor!! Stefanie did a song called "Let Me Out Here" which had a Joni reference in it...the first line being "She puts some Joni on" or something similar. The highlight of the evening was AFTER the performance, when Victor, Holley & I retired to the Muller estate to listen to the final mixes of 'Parsonage Lane'!! Wow, this is really great listening. I had heard almost all these songs before, but not with all these added colors...saxes, flute, outstanding percussion and bass work, sweet backing vocals, cellos, violins, Victor plays acoustic and plugs in as well for some great upbeat stuff. Everything here but carrot piccolo! :~) Chris Rosser, Asheville singer-songwriter handles the production and really did a great job. Victor's vocals range from Neil Young-ish to James Taylor-ish to Morrisey-ish with of course Victor-ish all over it. And stylistically the tunes range from jazz to bossa nova to rock to reggae and all points in between. Great graphic design too by Jeff Bisch, and other JMDL significances abound in the artwork. Hopefully the real deal will be on the streets soon. It's definitely worth checking out. Bob NP: James Vincent, "I Don't Know Where I Stand" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:59:17 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: re Atkins (NJC) SoulQuest7@aol.com wrote: > The anti-carb forces say >that the low-fat high-carb diets are responsible for obesity. Well, if your >idea of "low fat" means consuming huge amounts of refined flours followed by >a desert of sugar-drenched low fat whatever, then probably you will get fat. > Hi Nick-it isn't as simple as that, if only it was! For the majority of people, eating starchy carbs-sugar, bread, whwter whole or not, causes blood sugar to rise, thus releasing insulin which causes blood sugar to drop which causes one to feel hungry thus one eats (usually carbs)thus one's blood sugar goes up, insulin reduces it and thus one is hubngry again. this physical cycle is at the root of the addiction for the overeating of carbs is indeed an addiction. Eating disorder clinics put people on low carb as long 25 years ago. i thought they were nuts. Not any more. Carbs are used as energy yes, but it is also turned to body fat, even on lower amounts. Fat on the other hand is also used as energy but excess fat gets excreted. Hig carb diets are a recipe for obesisty, regardless of whether or not it is whole grain or refined. I become vegetrarian at around the age of 30. My food consisted mainly of grains and whole wheat and other whole foods. During that time, I put on over 100lb in weight, I was constantly hungry, fatigued, irritable, and had to go to the bathroom all the time plus i had stomach problems which resulted in an ulcer. I then switched to low carb, stopped being veggie, and all those problems went away-iclduing the acid problem. Ketosis is little understood by those who say it is a bad condition. All ketones in the urine show is that one is burning fat as energy-that is good. A healthy person will show a trace amount in their urine on low carb(under 40 gmsa day). Large amounts of ketones in the urine indicate other problems which ahve nothing to do with low carb. Inuit people lived for centuries eating no carbs at all just high and high protein. Milllions of people worldwide are suffering because their diet is plain wrong. they carry around way too much weight and way too much guilt. Most of these people could be helped by a low carb way of eeating andmany are fidnign out the truth of it. To keep people ignorant, fat and miserable, for the sake of some other agenda is criminal to say the least. In the end people must eat what they see as right for them.If it keeps you trim and healthy, good.But people(and I am not syaing you did this nick-not at all) should not poo poo somthing they clearly know little about, or guilt people into following what they follow for their own reasons which are not to do with nutrition,nor should they spread misinformation about low carb when it is clearly false and only serves their own political agenda. Excess calories is not what makes people fat, nor lack of excercise. It is quite simply what we eat-and what we eat is too much carb-whether it be whole or refined. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:01:26 +0100 From: colin Subject: ketosis njc Ketosis is the result of fat and protein metabolism. The reason ketosis occurs in starvation is that the body, in the absence of alimentary nourishment, devours its own protein and fat. When deprived of ready sources of dietary glucose (carbohydrates) on a high protein, low carb diet, the liver converts body fat into glucose. The lean protein reserves are not attacked because there is a high amino acid level readily available from dietary sources. Thus the body converts body fat and dietary amino acids to sugar. In starvation the liver mobilizes protein from its own muscle as well as fat for conversion to sugar. So the fact that ketosis occurs during starvation is an irrelevant argument against low carb diet. To suggest that it does is a little like saying tension headaches mimic brain tumors and are therefore just as dangerous. from my firend the md.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:33:00 +0100 From: "John E McGloin" Subject: Fw: Joni/James permavine Open Well, the permavine disc was going to be sent to Kenny B. this lunchtime until I read this morning that Casey Certis-Milby was also sending to to Kenny B. So - who wants the permavine disc? Cheers John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E McGloin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Joni/James permavine > Hi All > The permavine disc will be winging its way back accross the pond to: > Ken Bausert > East Meadow, NY 11554-1120 > > Three burned discs have already been sent to: snip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Got to hide your love (or my voice) away, njc Hello Fellow Beatle Fans! Especially lovers of "Got To Hide Your Love Away!" - and so many many others ... >Poor misguided Vince wrote: > That is your own damn fault. Had you ever gone on a car trip of any > length with me, you would have heard my version - as well as Joni's > "Don't Know where I stand." I have no idea why but once I hit open > road, I start singing those songs. Sometimes there is an encore of Neil > Young's Everybody Knows this is Nowhere and my version of Janis' initial > first take on Bobby McGee. On special occasions I also perform Poco's > "Barmaid in a Honkey Tonk Downstairs" with a wonderful southern accent. > It is all very great music. > > Of course then after doing them each about 10=15 times, I throw on the > Eminem and 50" and maybe that is why you've never traveled with me, huh? :-) Dearest Vince ... this is like eating a gourmet meal and then sticking your finger down your throat to throw it all up! Or perhaps it just clears the palate for you but it would be a great diet for me! Sherbert will work much better hun. No wonder we havent gone to any White Sox games together! Still hoping to someday soon! Peace, Susan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:01:27 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Sad News for California (NJC) Well it's about time they took those killers (OREOs) out. Now if they could just ban hand held cellular phone use when driving, the streets would be safe once again! Oh, Margaret! CC "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone?" -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:11:44 GMT From: caseycm@cruzio.com Subject: Joni/James Perma-Vine Ken Bausert in East Meadow NY seems to have contacted more than one of us for the Perma-Vine. Since John McGloin is mailing him one, I won't be mailing mine. So - still up for grabs: one Perma-Vine, one copy. Casey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:30:42 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: abe/slavery njc hi randy >>>>randy wrote > Are you serious? Details, please. > As to her evoking slavery, etc, I have a very hard time believing this. I read every music publication known to man, and I haven't heard of this. Of course, maybe I just missed it, but Courtney Love, with Cobain's millions at her disposal was not able to do it-her case was major news for months. Aimee Mann's label travails have been, too. If someone actually got away with this, it would set a precedent, and every recording artist there is would do the same. Traditionally, in these cases, the labels settle before trial to prevent the possibility, however remote, of an artist victory. That's probably what happened.<<<<<<<<<<<<< if you go to google & do a search on +"Michelle Shocked" +"Amendment" youll find a whole lot of reports youll wonder how you missed :-) i have attached some links as examples: http://www.ect.org/news/2003-4-19_michelleshocked.html http://www.puremusic.com/shocked2.html http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/investing/20020509a.asp but you are right - the label settled. i suppose with the normal "no admission of liability" etc clauses to try & stop anyone else using it as a precedent. ron np - bob geldof - a rose at night ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:40:35 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: junk food diets health etc NJC hi as long as people are talking about diets etc. and since there are so many people on the list that seem to know these kind of things maybe someone can help. im looking for some kind of advice on hpo thyroidism - i.e. and underactive thyroid. i have been on medication (eltroxin) for quite a couple of years now - and while it does boost me to a certain extent and stop the swelling and discomfort etc the side effect i find is that it does affect my ability to think (i promise im not trying to escape responsibility for some of my posts!!!) if i stop i can think much clearer but then my thyroid swells and i have discomfort., and pain if i leave it too long. the doctors all say im nuts - it wont affect my ability to think/concentrate but hey - when they take the pill themselves then ill believe them!!! anybody know of any natural treatments that would work, and if so of any place i can \find out more????? ron np - bob geldof - no small wonder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:48:05 -0700 From: Fae Hamilton Subject: Joni/James PermaVine CD The PermaVine original is on its way to Mary in Sacramento, CA ( kcdesign@pacbell.net). I can offer a copy to someone who doesn't have a CD burner, the first person to contact me. Fae in Redwood City, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:50:59 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: JazzFest 2003 Report (NJC) Well I have finally settled down enough to right my report of this years New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival. I will attempt to keep it brief and to the point. April 22-I went to dinner with my friend Tom Benson (NOT the owner of the New Orleans Saints) at Peristyle which was absolutely fabulous. Stephen Stills was there with his wife having dinner. I resisted going up to his table and speaking to him and reminding him of the jam we had at my house the night of the meteor shower. I also resisted getting on my cell phone to call Jack and tell him that Stephen was hanging. The cosmos must have been working overtime cause right as Stephen went out the front door of the restaurant Jack drove up and got to chat with him a bit. Jack came in the restaurant afterwards and was positively electric. Julius arrives and we lay low( having a few martinis at home) for the first night to charge batteries for the pending festivities. April 23-Memory failure. April 24-At the fest grounds-Caught Ivan Nevilles Dumsta Phunk which was really good. Caught a little of Bag of Donuts set and Luther Kent and Trick Bag (formally the singer in Blood Sweat and Tears), and Louisiana LeRoux. Notable performances were Kim Prevost and Bill Solley (of PazFest fame. and also the proud parents of a baby girl Sophia who was born the day before and altho Kim was late their set was wonderful. Also saw Allen Toussaint's Jazz Project. Also caught a little of Quintology and most of Sam Price's set with the new Latin band Otra.The Subdudes in the House of Blues Parish room. April 25-At the fest grounds notable performances-Jon Cleary, Bob Dylan featuring my boy Freddy Koella on guitar. One of the best sets of have seen from Dylan in modern history. He played keys on all but one tune, but was in rare form and I really enjoyed seeing Freddy play so well with the band even tho he only started sine 4/16. Freddy told me back stage that his head was about to explode trying to learn so much Dylan material. Dylan is notoriusly difficult to work for. He can call any song from his huge catalog at any time. Freddy is a pretty amazing player tho I am sure he can hang with just about anything. Pearl and Steve met him saw him play with Zachary Richard and Kenny Edwards from Bryndle when we were down in Ft. Liquordale a few months ago. James Rivers (who has done a bunch of Clint Eastwood Soundtracks), Lady BJ, Elegant Gypsy. Went to dinner with Jack and a bunch of friends at Cafe Giovanni (from PazFest fame). Saw a bit of John Hiatt and the Goners opening for CSN at the Municipal Auditorium Night Show. We got to go back stage after the show and I ran into Stephen's brother who dragged me back to the dressing room to say hi to Stephen. April 26-At the Fest grounds-Theresa Andersson, Phillip Manuel, Allen Toussaint, The subdudes, and Crosby, Stills, and Nash (a recording should surface of this set). I once again ran into William (Stephen's brother) and helped him get a banner hung for Graham Nash on the front of house tent supporting the rain forest) Crosby Nash Stills and Pevar all stood right on stage during the subdudes entire set and were totally enthralled with the band, but who in their right mind wouldn't be?? Tommy broke a string on his guitar and apparently didn't have a back up, so Stephen hopped up and grabbed one of his Strats for Tommy to use. It was a classic moment. April 27-At the Fest grounds-Keb' Mo', Dr. John, Joe Cocker who had a great set, Danzig and Wooley (also from Pazfest fame), and newcomer in the R&B world Kelly Love Jones. April 28-Caught some of MO Fest on the river. April 29-Jack played his "in store" at Tower Records. Saw Nickelcreek at House of Blues. What an amazing show! I have remarked several times that this may very well be the best "concert" I have ever been to in my life and that includes Beatles, Stones, Yes 20 something times, Joni, et al. Jeff Pevar was in attendance. April 30-Acoustic Night at Tipitinas featuring Paprika Plains, Jack Neilson and John Parker, Annie Ford, Judith Owen (check her out on the louisianajukebox site also her record has a cut with Richard Thompson and a cut with Julia Fordham. She is pretty amazing), Bingo, Beth Patterson, and more. It was a really fun night of music. May 1-At the fest grounds-The Benji Davis Project, Sonny Landreth, the North Mississippi Allstars, and a great set from John Mayer. Beth Patterson and Kalafka and Irvin Mayfield of Los Hombres Calientes.Bingo at Fiorellas May 2-At the Fest grounds- Ethan, Los Lobos, Robert Randolph (who was the surprise act of this years Jazz Fest for me. Great set by a great and inovative pedal steel guitar player. Ben Harper played late but I missed him. May 3-I skipped the fest this day cause Widespread Panic was the order of the day and I knew it would be a zoo.Dinner at the Palace Cafe May 4-At the fest grounds I caught a great set from Charmaine Neville, Gladys Knight, and the Neville Brothers,also managed to catch some of new jam band called Topaz (not my cup of tea). Also caught the Roland Guerin Band at the Jazz Tent. The most exciting thing all day was the Crusaders reunion in the Jazz Tent. Joe Sample and the guys were great. I ran into Patrick Raines (Jonatha's husband/manager) who was tour managing the Crusaders. He directed me to front of house where Jonatha was hanging out. She told me that she has nine songs written for the next record so I guess the writers block has been lifted. She looked fantastic. Also Jeff Pevar was hanginig out again. May 5-Buddy Guy at Tipitinas for a Private corporate gig for T-Mobile. It was a burning set the I felt the crowd underappreciated. Most of them were geek types playing with their palm pilots or cell phones. Beausoliel opend the show and they were fantastic. Other highlights Julius catching one of Mikey's baseball games (team is still unbeaten halfway thru the season). Hanging at the fest and round town with Diane Evans' pals from Chicago, Peg and Joni. Riding around in Jack's limo with Julius and some other male friends and being pulled over by 2 hookers in a big black SUV. They jumped in the back and tried to drum up some business so to speak, but there were no takers. I think the final offer was $350 for all of us for 1/2 hour LMAO! I got to meet Julius's Uncle who was very nice and took us out to dinner with Freda and his wife. We went to Commanders Place which was over the top good. All in all I had an amazing fest this year cause I did not have to work so much and I got to hang out with my friends and just be a participant instead of a producer (i like it ). I saw so much great music it hurts. I have probably left out a bunch, but maybe Mr. Mills can fill in some of the blanks. See what ya'll missed!!!! Best, Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:06:57 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: JazzFest 2003 Report (NJC) Paz writes: << 2 hookers in a big black SUV (SNIP) jumped in the back and tried to drum up some business so to speak, but there were no takers. I think the final offer was $350 for all of us for 1/2 hour >> What?! They wanted $350 for a half hour? For that amount you can get all the action you can handle in an entire weekend at Jonifest! Glad you're having fun, Michael! (And Julius!) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:40:36 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JazzFest 2003 Report (NJC) In a message dated 5/15/2003 4:53:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michaelpaz@aol.com writes: > All in all I had an amazing fest this year cause I did not have to work so > much and I got to hang out with my friends and just be a participant > instead > of a producer (i like it ). Glad it was such a good jazz fest for you Michael. So happy that Julius could be there too. Thanks for the report on all the good music. Now it's time to rest from all that fun...........then GET Julius to come to Jonifest with you. Who's gonna bring me a bottle of Veuve Cliquot this year??? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:31:35 EDT From: SoulQuest7@aol.com Subject: Re: re Atkins (NJC) In a message dated 5/15/2003 7:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: > < 30. My food consisted mainly of grains and whole wheat and other whole > foods. During that time, I put on over 100lb in weight, I was constantly > hungry, fatigued, irritable, and had to go to the bathroom all the time > plus i had stomach problems which resulted in an ulcer. I then switched > to low carb, stopped being veggie, and all those problems went > away-iclduing the acid problem>>>.. > It's an interesting testimony, but I can't imagine being a vegetarian and trying to live on grains. That sounds very unbalanced and unhealthy. I never have tried to live on grains, although some on macrobiotic diets make whole grains most of their diet. My experience as a vegetarian for over 27 years is that I never gained weight until my metabolism changed at the proverbial 40 years old; the most I've ever been overweight is 15-20 pounds. (How long did it take you to gain 100 pounds? I'm so health conscious I can't even imagine it.) When I lived in India for 4 months, I got even thinner (like a rail); and I ate a lot of bread, paneer (a fresh made cheese), rice, hot cereals with hot milk (you got to eat everything cooked in India) and some vegetable stir fries and fresh fruit (thick skinned only). I almost never ate sweets there because I wanted to keep my body in tip-top shape to battle viruses and bugs. When I came home from India, I started gorging on everything in sight and voila, within 3 years I was 15 pounds overweight. I lost that weight (through cutting back on sweets and fats), then gained it back a several years later when I went on a sweets binge before and after Christmas (calories, calories, calories). Right now I'm dieting again, and my diet includes both animal products (eggs, yogurt, cheese) and grains, vegetables, fruits, and little sugar, and I feel fabulous and have no cravings. If I feel like a sweet I have some fruit. I'm still eating carbs (both whole grains and refined), animal proteins (dairy and eggs), butter, and even a touch of sugar. I'll probably have a desert once a week, and enjoy it with no guilt. I feel better now than when I eat big meals, with no fatigue in the mid afternoon. I've done this dieting tactic once before and lost pounds fast, and there was no need to eliminate grains, nor would I care to. It's possible that some people may have a digestive system or other problem that makes them sensitive to grains and refined sugars. I would tell those people to avoid them, rather than try to force everyone onto the same diet. This is the most common problem I've found-- that people assume that what works for them is the "correct" diet for eveyone. A sort of one-size-fits-all approach. I think human bodies and genetics are much too complex for that, and that's why I get bored by debates between complex carb eaters and high animal protein eaters. We're going to have to do research on people on these diets for a generation or two before we have a really clear picture of what is going on. At this point it's all theory and personal testimonial, with a little bit of research on heart attack and cancer rates (the latter is particularly difficult to draw strict correlations about concerning diet). You mention Inuit people eating all high protein foods and doing fine, but people have also eaten vegetarian diets for thousands of years (at least 2 thousand) and have done quite well on them. This may point to differences in evolution (people living in particular areas of the world adapting to the foods available) and therefore may indicate that people need diets that are in accord with their genetic backgrounds which may in term have been determined by their ecosystem. Dairy products may be a point in case-- I happen to have genetics that come from areas of the world where dairy products have been consumed for thousands of years, whereas others can't tolerate them at all. I had one customer (at the health food store where I worked) tell me that she really wanted to be a vegetarian, but had a genetic trait that made it impossible for her to extract certain essential nutrients from vegetable sources. She said 3% of people had that trait. So clearly what people can and should eat is complex from a scientific point of view. You mention carbohydrate addiction, but like alcoholism there may be other factors involved (i.e. genetic) that make some people happy moderate drinkers throughout their lives, while others are alcoholic within a year. Some theorists even think blood type should be a factor in choosing a diet, although that's a relatively new theory on nutrition. Other peope think that autism is a severe allergic reaction to certain foods, while others think it is caused by products used in imunization shots that certain children have a sensitivity to. Even the recent vaccinations they gave the military (was it small pox?) is believed to kill a few people who are sensitive to it-- some think that's what killed MSNBC reporter David Bloom. Gee, I'm getting off track even for a NO JONI CONTENT post!! ==- Jai Ma=-=-=- Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:03:12 -0400 From: vince Subject: Noel Redding (NJC) I saw i yesterday's paper - that he died - guitarist on 3 of the best albums ever - only Mitch Mitchell is left of the Jimi Hendrix experience, I guess - sad news. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:26:02 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: re Atkins (NJC) Nick, great post! I have been a vegetarian for about 10 years now. I'm enjoying the posts about this, and agree that there is no "one diet" that fits everyone. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:29:37 +0800 From: "Erin Mc" Subject: some more thoughts: semi-NJC! Apologies if these are sporadic or disjointed but as someone who is new to the list, it's hard for me to keep track of who's who and who said what. That said, Colin wrote: "There is a lot of misinformation out there about low carb. It might have soemthing to do woith the fact that billions is invested on getting us to eat high carb...." My reply: _Billions_ have been pumped into pushing the meat and dairy industries by the USDA, and the whole Atkins food line is massive. How's that for investment? Nick had some really interesting thoughts. I'm an ethical vegan, though I don't consider myself part of the thought police. I'm definitely not of the opinion that no animal products have ever benefitted our species nutritionally. I fully agree that the Inuits have subsisted marvelously on this diet, and that without access to game many indigenous peoples would have had their populations thinned out. Inuits need a higher level of bodyfat to withstand subzero temps, and most indigenous peoples lived a far more active lifestyle than most modern Americans do. I believe that while the dietary histories of our predecessors are valid and worth considering, the world we're currently living in is just as relevant. With rapidly waning natural resources (especially, in North America, water!) and ratios as high as 35 to 1 for plant food production to animal food production in pounds for each acre of land, eating a diet high in animal products simply isn't sustainable for most of the world -- indeed, most cultures who have proven to have high rates of longevity (certain Japanese island communities, for example) have made meat a flavorful garnish to their meals rather than the centerpiece, and before the introduction of American fast food, dairy was virtually absent in Asian cuisine. It's interesting to note that globalization and its respective introduction of "American food" has yielded the highest rate of obesity and heart disease that Japan has ever experienced in its history. Veganism might not be for everyone, but in a sedentary society, most of us would do well to at least downgrade our consumption of animal products. In a few words: I respect subsistence hunters far more than factory farmers, or their advocates. This debate could rage for weeks and I don't really have the time to address it adequately, but I wanted to say this: in my ten years as a vegan, I have experienced nothing but good health as a result of my diet. I've always maintained a weight considered to be in the "ideal" range, my immunity to disease is high, and a bicycle accident in which my leg got run over yielded nothing but bruising (no broken bones despite my dairy-free diet). My doctor says I am the picture of health and my energy level is high. If it is, then, unfounded to assume that veganism is for everyone, it's equally unfounded to assume that high-carb is, or that a balanced vegan diet comprised primarily of whole foods (with my daily dose of dark chocolate, of course -- I'm no purist!) hasn't benefitted anyone. Indeed, it has been nothing but a blessing for me. To the person who said that they gained 100 lbs. when they went vegetarian, I can only advise that it's very important to include lots of healthy fats in your diet. I went through a period in my late teens where I was, as many young girls are, preoccupied with my (normal, healthy) weight, and I gained 15 lbs. because I tried to drastically cut fats in my diet. The result was that I was never satiated and overate to compensate. I gradually began to relax this preoccupation and allowed myself nut butters, sunflower seeds, olive oil, avacodos, and the like and found that my weight dropped magically as I developed a much more natural relationship with food and eating. Instinctively, I think that most of us know what our bodies want and crave, and it's up to us to honor that and be good to them. It's so sad to see so many of my peers caught up in the vicious cycles of food obsession -- some battling obesity, and others, anorexia or bulimia. I would love to live to see the day when food is not viewed as our enemy. *** I want to thank those who welcomed me to the list. I first got into Joni when, as my member profile says, my friend Geoffrey Todd put "The Last Time I Saw Richard" on a mix tape he made me. I played it ad infinitum...later that year I befriended a young lady from Shaunavon, Saskatchewan (that revered province!) named Deanna who would come to dub other Joni tunes for me, including Cactus Tree, which really hooked me. Blue got me through a particularly brutal break-up back in 1998, but ultimately, it's Hejira that I love the most, particularly the title track and Song for Sharon, which I must have quoted in at least three dozen e-mails over the years. There's just something about that line: "You know it never has been easy, whether you do or do not resign...whether you travel the breadth of extremity, or stick to some straighter line." Ain't it the truth? Joni is a goddess, and has proven to be a great source of comfort to me over the years, in bad times and good. Any fan of Miss Mitchell is a friend of mine, whether they're a fellow vegan or Atkins disciple! I'd include the requisite smiley face here, but I just can't do the whole emoticon thing, I'm sorry.. pleased to meet'cha, Erin ps -- If anyone has a clear copy of that photo of Joni meeting Morrissey -- another musical favorite of mine -- I would love it. the .jpg that's currently online is rather grainy in quality, but it's a gem. - -- Get your free email from http://www.marchmail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:58:50 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Chuck Mitchell My Aunt the one who took me to THE Check Mate in Detroit back in the Sixties/Seventies says he still sings in the Detroit area.I will email her and ask for more info. Brian Symes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:46:40 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: I'll Change for You (Rosanne Cash) Hello, All - Someone mentioned (sorry I can't remember) that the newest Dirty Linen magazine had an article on The Be Good Tanyas, which mentioned Joni Mitchell - - believe it or not, the article on Rosanne Cash in the same issue does too! << Given the emotionally vivid and painterly aspects of Cash's own writing, it's probably not surprising that she was also drawn to the work of Joni Mitchell. "The firt time that I figured out that a woman could join this game was [Mitchell's album] Blue. Before that, Big Brother and the Holding Company, Pearl, that was kind of a wake-up, but Janis scared me. I knew I could never be that careless emotionally or professionally - or personally. So I didn't really get an idea that this was something I could *do* until Blue," she said. >> If you haven't yet heard her new CD, Rules of Travel, I highly recommend it - it features strong songwriting, lovely vocals and some inspired duets/harmonies with Sheryl Crow, Steve Earle, Teddy Thompson and Johnny Cash. Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "A little out of place A little out of time Sorta lost in space Racing the moon Climbing the walls Of this hurricane Still overall I can't complain..." ~ Todd Snider ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:18:45 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: May 16 1998: Joni, Bob Dylan, and Van Morrison perform in George, Washington at The Gorge Amphitheater - the first night of two in a row at this venue. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/OnTheRoadGorgeA98.html http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/980516.cfm - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:18:45 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 16 On May 16 the following items were published: 1998: "Dylan Dominates Sizzling Concert" - Victoria Times Colonist (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=411 1998: "Stuff of Legends" - Rocktropolis website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=315 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #288 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)