From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #284 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 284 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Abe njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Abe njc [vince ] Re: kakki constitution njc [vince ] Re: kakki constitution njc [vince ] Best Joni Cover [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Re: "Yesterday and Today", in praise of, njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Big Green njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Big Yellow Taxi [Aerchak@aol.com] Re: "That Song About the Midway" [Deb Messling ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #160 [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Big Green njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC Re: And how great is this lyric? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Betsy - Mary [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Be Good Tanyas and Welcome Back!! (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: And how great is this lyric? [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: NJC Hey AOL - We want our Wally!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Hey AOL - We want our Wally!! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Big Yellow Taxi [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Abe njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Be Good Tanyas and Welcome Back! (fest content) [] Louisiana JukeBox [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: Abe njc [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: Louisiana JukeBox - njc [lfye@cresapartners.com] Re: Louisiana JukeBox njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Louisiana JukeBox - njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: FWD URL: The Be Good Tanyas - Bio NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Louisiana JukeBox - njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Abe njc ["Maggie McNally" ] The Be Good Tanyas et al. and Gratitude NJC [] joni coverrs/kristen vigard ["ron" ] Re: joni coverrs/kristen vigard -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: political tidbits NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: joni covers/kristen vigard [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni covers/kristen vigard [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Canuck congrats to Diana Krall (no joan) [Little Bird ] Chuck Mitchell in Ann Arbor, MI [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: The Be Good Tanyas et al. and Gratitude NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Chuck Mitchell in Ann Arbor, MI [Dan Olson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:01:29 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Abe njc "Mark or Travis" writes: > Just to play a little bit of Devil's advocate here. I believe Honest > Abe only decided to free the slaves when the Civil War had drug on so > long that he needed to do something to hasten it's end. He figured it > would cripple the Confederacy sufficiently to bring it to its knees > and deal a final death blow to any hope on the South's part that > England or France would ever aid them in their Cause. He was also of > the opinion at one time that the slaves should all be sent back to > Africa once they were freed. He did, of course, change his > mind on > that point. > > Well that's what Ken Burns said anyway! There's truth in that. Read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States" for more on this. I remember a great line by a black American activist (possibly Dick Gregory?) back in the 1960s. He said that the slaves weren't freed, they were fired. There's truth in that, too. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:16:41 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Abe njc kakki wrote: >England and France had long abolished slavery and never would >support the South in a fight to preserve it. > England was all set to recognize the Confederacy and support it. England's major industry was textiles and the South had cotton. France was pursuing its in attempt to make Maximillian the emperor of Mexico, which was defeated by Benito Juarez - no telling what France would have done with the Confederacy in terms of recognition if they could have gotten recognition for Maximillian. > > > >>He was also of the opinion at one time that the slaves should all be sent >> >> >back to > > >>Africa once they were freed. He did, of course, change his mind on >>that point. >> >> > >I'm sure he had some opinions that would nowadays be considered quite >ignorant or racist. But he always believed that slavery was morally wrong >and got the gist of it right in the end. > I disagree, child of the Land of Lincoln that I am. Lincoln did not always believe that slavery was morally wrong and was no abolitionist. Running in 58 against extending slavery and in 60 to preserve the Union were not the same as seeing slavery as morally wrong. He certainly got to that point and waited, as Kakki says, for the Battle of Antietem to make the Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln ended up believing in the moral evil of slavery and I deeply praise the man for his ability to have grown on an issue. Lincoln is the greatest president in my opinion and where he ended up is way cool; just saying cannot project it back too far because Lincoln was in the midst of personal struggle and growth on the issue, as was America. There have been attempts to say the emancipation was not of totally pure motives to disparage it. Yes indeed it was not 100% pure - Lincoln say the effects it could have on the southern situation at the time in the war. Yet whose motives on anything are 100% pure? Life, and people, are more complex than that. Read the 2nd Inaugural address - the greatest presidential address I think every given, so full of wisdom and insights gained over the past four year - Lincoln was nothing if not a man of phenomenal growth (and that is so lacking in our image-made candidates today). His words on slavery and the war and God and prayer and so much else are so profound. He had lived, history would have been so different and better. He was a well paid corporation lawyer (and noted opponent of the Mexican American War) and his anti-extension of slavery position and his save the Union views were mainstream, not radical. No one expected the sheer amount of growth and development from Lincoln that happened - a sign of his greatness, in my opinion in that he moved to the abolitionist side and more fully became himself in his years as president. No one else has ever come close to the journey that Lincoln was on and it was all good - Lincoln was the best. The absolute best. Not always because of where he was, but because he let reality inform him and he saw and he considered and he grew and developed in response to reality. Everyone second find on google.com the 2nd inaugural and read it - it is so profound. I love Abraham Lincoln. I am a Lincoln Democrat. Within years of his death, the Republican party began to drift from Lincoln's philosophy, with of course some exceptions. All parties evolve and change - as did the Democrats. I thank Kakki for her warm views of Lincoln. The man is too seldom considered today. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:26:46 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: kakki constitution njc JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > >It seems to me erroneous and unnecessary to construe Article 1, section 2, paragraph 3 so that it refers to the human "worth" of the 750,000 slaves of the time, when in fact it speaks to mathematical matters of taxability and representation. > But Julius, that is in itself a statement on the worth of certain human beings. Recall Barbara Jordan's opening words at the 1974 Impeachment hearings ... The constitution was flawed. It allowed a process of amendments, and that flaw has been corrected. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:29:17 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: kakki constitution njc David Sadowski wrote: > The US Constitution, as originally formed, was a compact between the > original states, most of which had slavery. Prevailing opinion at the > time was that slavery was on the decline, and that was one reason for > banning the importation of additional slaves. This may be why the > document does not mention slavery directly. There was some thought > that eventually slavery would die a natural death. and perhaps would have had it not been for the invention of the cotton gin. This made slavery far more lucrative. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:29:55 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Best Joni Cover I agree about Tom Rush's UFG but after that it is Kate Bennett's Woodstock at the JoniFest 2002. She turns this song into her own rock anthem and the Harmonica playing in the back ground gives me the thrill of seeing a Fat Boy Harley cruisin down New York Turnpike heading to Yasgur's Farm. Hey Kate on the next next CD please cover that one. NP Jenna on David Letterman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:34:01 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: "Yesterday and Today", in praise of, njc "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" writes: > Holy. I had forgotten how GREAT this album is. For fun I shuffled the order so it starts in the middle, with "Doctor Robert". > It's a shock to segue from that semi-obscure track into > "Yesterday". Jim, you probably already know this, and no doubt someone else here will also point it out, but Yesterday and Today wasn't an album conceived by The Beatles, but, rather, a US-market-only release compiled by their American label, Capitol, from the original British releases Help, Rubber Soul, and Revolver, which were all released in the US with fewer tracks. Gee ... I wonder why? Having grown up with the US releases, comparing the track lists from the original albums that I now have on CD really blows my mind. For instance, Revolver, one of my very favorites, not only has the 11 great tracks of the US version ... Taxman Eleanor Rigby Love You To Here, There, and Everywhere Yellow Submarine She Said, She Said Good day Sunshine For No One I Want to Tell You Got to Get You Into My Life Tomorrow Never Knows ... but as originally conceived also had the great I'm Only Sleeping, And Your Bird Can Sing, and Doctor Robert. Now that's an album! Similarly, the US release of Rubber Soul lacks Drive My Car, Nowhere Man, What Goes On, and one George Harrison's best, If I Needed Someone. It also borrows two wonderful songs, I've Just Seen A Face and It's Only Love, from the original Help! album, which also, by the way, includes Yesterday. All important stuff to consider when looking at the time-line of The Beatles' incredible development. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 00:55:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Big Green njc adding to the history: the environmental movement really mobilized after an off-shore oil platform in Santa Barbara sprung a leak and created the largest oil spill the nation had known at that time... speaking of teddy bear, my grandmother used to talk about him...she grew up in the washington dc area & used to tell the story of going to the white house for the easter egg hunt...she said she sat on his knee & he gave her a coin... somehow this ties into the discussion about jefferson & slaves because my grandmother was a southern belle who grew up with the notion of slavery being part of her recent family history...yet her grandaughter was talking about the civil right movement (at least theoretically i wasn't old enough to march)... thinking of what is progressive & gutsy in these strange times-the dark horse candidate from ohio...dennis k...go see him if he comes to your hood...he says he's a green dem Bree asked: > Wasn't the EPA formed during Richard Nixon's administration? Yes, in July 1970 (Joni was right on time with Big Yellow Taxi ;-) I remember the environmental movement just exploding overnight back then. In 1971, I worked with some Republican "greenies" on a conservation effort that ultimately resulted in the establishment of the California Coastal Commission in 1972 and the preservation of the California coastline and public access to its beaches. (Gov. Reagan in office). In 1991, Gov. Wilson by executive order established the California EPA. >If so..pretty progressive and quite gutsy I might add. Just following the tradition of conservationist Teddy Rooseveldt who established the National Park System. www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 06:18:38 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Big Yellow Taxi The Counting Crows version of Big Yellow Taxi is featured in the movie Two Weeks Notice. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 06:43:22 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: "That Song About the Midway" And of course, Joni stole that line from Willy the Shake: It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night Like a rich jewel in an Ethiop's ear. (Romeo and Juliet) >and I thought how Joni-esque the song is. especially the line about "he stood >out like a ruby in a black man's ear." Then I found out that Joni had written >it! Duh! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:02:07 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #160 I wrote > that I began the > heavy research and discovered the Circle Game was copyrighted in 166, while > > Little Green was 1967. Indeed - Circle Game was copyrighted in 1966 (one year earlier, not 1901 years earlier as typed). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:52:28 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Green njc Bree writes: << I forgot about the old Rough Rider....a definite progressive. >> Yes, there are many wonderful things about Paz. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:04:53 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: And how great is this lyric? In a message dated 5/12/2003 10:23:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > what an extraordinary youngster i used to be. USED to be? Wally, I would venture to say that you are extraordinary man-child youngster for all perpetuity. Thanks for your confirmation on the line...of course I've heard it a gazooberzillion times but heard it last night and it just jumped out and kicked me in the gut. The one advantage to being on digest for me is that I get your posts now! :~) Bob NP: Gail Davies, "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:10:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Betsy - Mary Hi Rachel, Peter Asher (of 60's Peter & Gordon fame) was Joni's manager for a time. Betsy was Peter's wife, and it certainly seems that she & Joni had a great releationship. As for Mary, besides the biblical Mary of Passion Play, one of Joni's childhood friends was Mary Waddington, aka Cherokee Louise, probably also "Louise in her push-up brassiere". Don't know the other Mary references off the top of my noggin but maybe that info will put you on the right track. Bob NP: Michael Feinstein, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:10:50 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Be Good Tanyas and Welcome Back!! (NJC) Welcome back Bev Wolfe and Barbara Hirahara!! It's SO nice to see familiar names back on the list! Now, you just need to sign up for Jonifest, and all will be right with the world! ;-) Big welcome back hugs to both of you! Barbara asked: <> I saw them last year at the Cambridge Folk Festival in England. They were *very* good! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:17:33 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: And how great is this lyric? Bob wrote about Wally: > The one advantage to being on digest for me is that I get your posts now! > :~) > What exactly *is* the situation with Wally's posts not getting to some of us? Now that I'm not on digest at this time, I don't see one post from him. :-( Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:34:38 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Hey AOL - We want our Wally!! In a message dated 5/13/2003 7:17:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM writes: > What exactly *is* the situation with Wally's posts not > getting to some of us? It's just something about Wally's Internet Service Provider & AOL. They're not on speaking terms. Every once in a while one will sneak through...yet every day I'm hammered with Spam (spammered)...what's up widdat? Bob NP: Bobby Kimball (Toto) - Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:20:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Hey AOL - We want our Wally!! In a message dated 5/13/2003 8:35:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > It's just something about Wally's Internet Service Provider &AOL. They're > not on speaking terms. Every once in a while one will sneak through...yet > every day I'm hammered with Spam (spammered)...what's up widdat? > Trust me. I've worked on this situation til I'm blue in the face (sorry Smurph). Les says there's no problem on smoe.org's end, AOL says there's no problem at their end, and I think Wally's called his IP. AOL even gave me their number in Argentina, but I'm not going to spend $500 on a phone call :~) So, I had to sign up to digest in addition to individual posts in order to see Wally's posts. It throws Les' JMDL numbers off by one, but at least I can read Wally's posts now. Jimmy, also happy to see Bev Wolfe posting again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:46:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi And the video version is now in the Top Ten. I hope you all get to see it. Jerry Aerchak@aol.com wrote: >The Counting Crows version of Big Yellow Taxi is featured in the movie Two >Weeks Notice. > >Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 06:51:39 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Abe njc kakki wrote: > Welcome back to NJC Mark ;-) > > you wrote: > >> I believe Honest Abe only decided to free the slaves when the Civil >> War had drug on so long that he needed to do something to hasten >> it's end. > > Lincoln ran for the Senate in Illinois in 1858 in part on an > anti-slavery platform. The Civil War began in mid-1881. Maybe I'm being nit-picky dearest Kakki, but the Civil War began in 1861. That much I do know. xoxo Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:09:09 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Be Good Tanyas and Welcome Back! (fest content) Ashara, Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm still feeling bad about bailin' on you the week before Jonifest #I. Remember we were gonna bring a big 'ol RV and park in your yard? That would have solved all the skeeter problems! Anyway, my son was only 15 then and our "babysitting" plans fell through. He's 20 now - - WOW!....it's hard to believe that five years have passed and there have been FIVE Jonifests and I ain't been ta' none of em'! This must be remedied! Every year, I have faithfully read each and every Jonifest lister's experiences, drooled over the pictures (especially the pictures of the food), and wanted so badly to be there. Julie Z's fest in march 98' was my first experience with people who "got" Joni, and more importantly, it was the first time I got to see Pittsburgh, PA AND go with no sleep without caring! Seriously, it was the first time I met Kakki, Patrick, and Marion, et al. Then there was Sherelle (who blew me away with her voice, among other things.) Oh! and it was the first time I saw Brian's twinkly eyes and smile :-> Suze was so fun, Marion was amazing - everyone wuz!!!! I didn't get to talk to too many folks coz' I got lost and ended up in West Virginia, but that's another story. Oh drat! I just yelled to my husband saying, "Hey Rick, ya' wanna go to Jonifest this year?" He walked in and just said, "Yeah." So...let's see - - we got till thursday to pay the deposit, right? PayPal it is - and no excuses this time from me. Bev.....Joni! Joni! Joni! (spoken like Bluto's - - Toga! Toga! Toga! from "Animal House")...oh, and don't worry, we won't wear Togas...hmmm,...but then again...... > Welcome back Bev Wolfe and Barbara Hirahara!! It's SO nice to see familiar > names back on the list! Now, you just need to sign up for Jonifest, and all > will be right with the world! ;-) Big welcome back hugs to both of you! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:24:33 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Airline wants to help you go to JoniFest! Sorry for the s*pam ... 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(a segment is defined as a takeoff and landing) *Fares do not include airport-assessed passenger facility charges (PFC) of up to $9 and government-imposed September 11th Security Fee of up to $5 one-way. *Available on published, scheduled service. *Orange County, CA is not included in this sale. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:32:51 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Abe njc I think Lincoln was very right for his time and I'm such an admirer of his. I would highly recommend people who make it south visit the Lincoln museum which is on the grounds of Lincoln University. It's located around Cumberland Gap..where the three states of Kentucky..Virginia..Tennessee meet. Unfortunately ..I did not have enough time to read everything and take it all in. But there..you will find many original documents..the bed in which he llie while dying..including the wall paper that was on the wall....a lock of his hair taken post-mortem. Just a lot of interesting stuff like a tree with five canon balls imbedded from the Civil war. (I can't remeber if the balls were Confedarate or Union//) The smells and sights of many years ago...I just dig this kind of stuff. Bree > >Everyone second find on google.com the 2nd inaugural and read it - it is >so profound. I love Abraham Lincoln. I am a Lincoln Democrat. Within >years of his death, the Republican party began to drift from Lincoln's >philosophy, with of course some exceptions. All parties evolve and >change - as did the Democrats. > >I thank Kakki for her warm views of Lincoln. The man is too seldom >considered today. > >Vince _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:51:42 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Louisiana JukeBox Hi Guys- I promise I am going to do a Jazz Fest recap but I have been slammed. I just wanted to share with all of you some my recent work as Music Producer for Lousisana Jukebox. Please go to www.louisianajukebox.com and click on webcast. Check out Beth Patterson's new band Kalafka as well as Anders Osborne and Monk Boudreaux and a lady that we played with at Tips the other night Judith Owen (married to Harry Shearer from Spinal Tap). Let me know what you think of the new format of the show now that we are post produced and enjoy the music. Also next week check out Alexandra Scott (especially you hetrosexual men) and Woodenhead for all you progressive rock/jazz fans. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:23:52 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Abe njc > I think Lincoln was very right for his time and I'm such an admirer of his. I agree, and I am too. Lincoln was not perfect, but as he matured his heart and mind got closer and closer to the right place. People who lived during that period were ignorant of things that we now know and accept, just as we are ignorant of things that will be known and accepted in the future. It's the evolution of humankind. > Just a lot of interesting stuff like a tree with five canon balls imbedded > from the Civil war. (I can't remeber if the balls were Confedarate or Union//) > The smells and sights of many years ago...I just dig this kind of stuff. Me too; the Civil War is my favorite period of history to study (although I am certainly not an expert on it). Gettysburg (where JMDLer Janine lives) is a fascinating place. You can FEEL so many souls there. As you might expect, it has a wonderful museum. It's just 68 miles north of where I live, and about 341 miles southwest of Oliverea (as the roadways go). So if you happen to be in the "neighborhood," say sometime in early August, and you want to plan for a neat day trip ... Lori, who feels an eerie connection to Jennie Wade (http://www15.brinkster.com/gburginfo/JWade.htm) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:38:34 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: Louisiana JukeBox - njc > Also next week check out Alexandra Scott (especially you > hetrosexual men) Hello???? What about us non-het and bi women??? http://www.alexandrascott.com/photos.php ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:50:11 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Louisiana JukeBox njc In a message dated 13/05/2003 16:52:59 GMT Daylight Time, Michaelpaz@aol.com writes: > and a lady that we played with at Tips the other > night Judith Owen (married to Harry Shearer from Spinal Tap). I saw her playing Ronnie Scott's in London many, many years ago, and she was terrific. One of those people whose musical whole is more than the sum of the parts, if you know what I mean: she didn't play piano or sing spectacularly, and her songs were good without being outstanding - yet she had that "Ingredient X" that I value so much, a real stage presence and magic, that meant I never forgot the name. So I was delighted to hear her voice on Richard Thompson's new album! Her voice fits his beautifully, very much in Linda vein. Cheers, Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:51:48 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Louisiana JukeBox - njc > > Also next week check out Alexandra Scott (especially you > > hetrosexual men) > > Hello???? What about us non-het and bi women??? - ---And we men who like to look at beauty, (shock, shock), even women. Hey, I love to look at women and in some instances much rather do that than look at the men. Stereotypes leave us bereft of what is actuality. mack > > http://www.alexandrascott.com/photos.php > > ; ) > > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:09:05 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: Abe njc Lincoln became morally opposed to slavery perhaps as early as the late 1840s around the time he served a term in Congress. But he had to work within the political and social framework of our time, which was (compared to our own time) thoroughly racist. Lincoln re-entered the political arena in 1854 after the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act engineered largely by Stephen Douglas. This act took one of the territories and divided it up into two potential states. The south felt it had entered into a bargain where one state (Nebraska) would be free and the other (Kansas) would become a slave state. The north wanted both areas to be free, or at least to allow the people living in the territory to decide. The agitation over "bloody Kansas" brought about a realignment of political parties and the creation of the Republican Party, made up for northern Whigs and Democrats. Lincoln was one of the primary architects of this party on the national level. In 1854 Lincoln delivered an anti-slavery speech so incendiary that he made sure that no notes were taken. This is now referred to as his "lost speech." During this period, Lincoln's true feelings can be deduced from private letters and journals he wrote, and he was very much morally opposed to slavery. However, he felt that he could not touch slavery where it already existed. There was no constitutional method of doing this, short of amendment. For the same reason, he felt he had no choice but to support the Fugitive Slave Act, which was protected by the Constitution. But Lincoln did stake out moral ground with considerable political appeal in the north, and that was to oppose further slavery expansion. He argued that slavery was morally wrong and would die an eventual death if it could be checked. The south opposed him because they too thought that slavery could not survive unless allowed to expand. If Lincoln had campaigned in 1858 or 1860 in favor of social equality for blacks, he couldn't have been elected dogcatcher in the racist north. But an appeal against slavery expansion could and did have considerable popular appeal. When the Civil War broke out, the north was at quite a disadvantage and if the border states had all joined the Confederacy, it would have been nearly impossible to win the war. Washington DC was surrounded on all sides by slave states. So, at the start of the war, it was necessary for Lincoln to separate the issue of slavery from that of rebellion. Slavery continued to be legal in some northern states for the duration of the war. Lincoln suppressed early attempts by Union generals to free slaves... not because he did not agree with it in principle, but instead because it was too far out in front of public opinion. Lincoln wanted to wait until the north had a victory under it's belt before announcing the Emancipation Proclamation (which only freed people in areas under rebel control). He did not want it to be seen as an act of desperation. The Proclamation helped put the war on an anti-slavery basis, and helped the north, especially with Europe. After this, there was no chance that England or France would recognize the Confederacy. The further course of the war, north and south, demonstrated that slavery was finished. The north put blacks in uniform where they fought with distinction. The south contemplated doing the same and actually started to do so right at war's end. As public opinion in the north continued to evolve, Lincoln used his political skills to get the Constitution amended to outlaw slavery once and for all. The last speech he ever gave was in favor of giving some blacks the right to vote. Lincoln's heart was in the right place but he always had to work within the realm of what was politically possible in his time. Mark or Travis wrote: >kakki wrote: > > >>Welcome back to NJC Mark ;-) >> >>you wrote: >> >> >> >>>I believe Honest Abe only decided to free the slaves when the Civil >>>War had drug on so long that he needed to do something to hasten >>>it's end. >>> >>> >>Lincoln ran for the Senate in Illinois in 1858 in part on an >>anti-slavery platform. The Civil War began in mid-1881. >> >> > >Maybe I'm being nit-picky dearest Kakki, but the Civil War began in >1861. That much I do know. > >xoxo > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:31:37 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: FWD URL: The Be Good Tanyas - Bio NJC The Be Good Tanyas are on the cover of Dirty Linen magazine this month and there is a large article with lots of pictures. You may be able to access the article on the Dirty Linen website. For those unfamiliar with it, Dirty Linen is a wonderful and informative magazine on folk & world music. Most of the"folk" on this list would probably enjoy it very much. db >>> 5/12/2003 11:23:13 PM >>> The Be Good Tanyas Have you heard these women? They are great, I became an instant fan.Go to http://www.begoodtanyas.com/begood.php?loc=bio Caught Jonatha on PBS the other night doing War. Spring has sprung in Yosemite. Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara NP:Jericho Miles of Aisles Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:48:43 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: One more thing I'm reading this article right now and it mentions Joni! db >>> "Donna Binkley" 5/13/2003 12:31:37 PM >>> The Be Good Tanyas are on the cover of Dirty Linen magazine this month and there is a large article with lots of pictures. You may be able to access the article on the Dirty Linen website. For those unfamiliar with it, Dirty Linen is a wonderful and informative magazine on folk & world music. Most of the"folk" on this list would probably enjoy it very much. db >>> 5/12/2003 11:23:13 PM >>> The Be Good Tanyas Have you heard these women? They are great, I became an instant fan.Go to http://www.begoodtanyas.com/begood.php?loc=bio Caught Jonatha on PBS the other night doing War. Spring has sprung in Yosemite. Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara NP:Jericho Miles of Aisles Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:06:51 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Louisiana JukeBox - njc Nice hat...but can she sing? Bree.....who likes to look at a good hairless chest >Also next week check out Alexandra Scott (especially you > > hetrosexual men) > >Hello???? What about us non-het and bi women??? > >http://www.alexandrascott.com/photos.php > >; ) > > >Lori _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:17:15 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Be Good Tanyas and Welcome Back! (fest content) Newly unlurked Bev wrote: <> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is REALLY wonderful news!!!!! I can't wait to meet both of you!! Actually, what I said about the deposits is this: <> So.......actual time lines are: May 17th- I have only received 9 deposits since I announced the above. To all of you that love Jonifest and want to see it continue, please don't make me pull teeth any longer. June 15th- All money and forms due. The reality is, I will take deposits, forms, money, scholarship money, etc. after these dates. Please don't think if you don't sign up for Jonifest before these dates that you can't come. If I can accommodate you, even up to the week before, I will be so happy to do so. HOWEVER, if it is at ALL possible to adhere to these dates, it would be *greatly* appreciated so I don't have to go running after people. For me, that is THE worse part of organizing this Fest- having to go after money, forms, etc. Please, everyone, remember this is *your* Fest. Yes, I am the one putting my ass on the line, and doing the organizational part, but the Fest belongs to the JMDL. I know there are people that keep saying they are planning to go this year, but haven't sent the deposit in, and haven't made the commitment. It's less than 3 months away. What are you waiting for?? :-) Hugs, Ashara {feeling distinctly like a broken record.} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:30:32 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Abe njc Dear Mark wrote: > Maybe I'm being nit-picky dearest Kakki, but the Civil War began in > 1861. That much I do know. OMG I don't know how I did that! LOL. Yesterday was one of those days is all I can say. To say I've needed a long vacation is a gross understatement but luckily I'm now off for two weeks ;-) Thanks to David and Julius for some outstanding posts on the subject. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:25:38 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Abe njc and have a FABULOUS vacation, Kakki. Maggie -----Original Message----- From: kakki [mailto:kakkib@vzavenue.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:31 PM To: Mark or Travis; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Abe njc Dear Mark wrote: > Maybe I'm being nit-picky dearest Kakki, but the Civil War began in > 1861. That much I do know. OMG I don't know how I did that! LOL. Yesterday was one of those days is all I can say. To say I've needed a long vacation is a gross understatement but luckily I'm now off for two weeks ;-) Thanks to David and Julius for some outstanding posts on the subject. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:52:46 -0400 From: Subject: The Be Good Tanyas et al. and Gratitude NJC Donna wrote: >The Be Good Tanyas are on the cover of Dirty Linen magazine this month and then Barbara wrote: > Have you heard these women? They are great, I became an instant fan prompting this diatribe Among many other things, being a member of this list introduced me to a myriad of diverse, yet, wonderful new music. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Barbara, for posting about The Be Good Tanyas...and what a cool name, to boot! I heard them on NPR a while back and had no idea who they were. I even made several efforts to find out. I now know that "The Littlest Birds" from the "Blue Horse" CD was the name of the song that so enchanted me. I'm out the door to buy all they have to offer. The JMDL has introduced me to: Jonatha Brook - although I had heard The Story, I didn't make the connection Catie Curtis Cry, Cry, Cry Dar Williams Bruce Cockburn Patty Larkin Jane Siberry Loreena McKennitt (thanks, Scott!) and it made me take that plunge and really listen to Eminem (thanks, Vince!) and you know there may be many, many more (it seems embarrassing now that I hadn't heard of them before as I am now a rabid proselytizer to all who will listen) it also caused me to revisit a lot of music that I hadn't listened to in years: John Gorka Nick Drake Suzzy & Maggie Roche Marshall Crenshaw (thanks kakki!) ....this list would be too long I've learned a million and 2 things, discovered, of all things, Joni stuff - - on eBay - - and parted with lots of money...but I now have all of her song books, bios, magazines, etc. plus a new bookself for all the stuff I bought Thanks!!!!! bev p.s. I've also gained a great deal of knowledge about (not so well known) American history and political ideologies and facts (yes...some of my favorite threads!) It's just all good! p.s.s. The main reason i decided to begin posting again was because when Colin became ill, I was as worried as I would be about a member of my own family...my husband even asked about his health...so it occurred to me that the list is, indeed, a family that I should visit more often ok..i'm done ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:37:27 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: joni coverrs/kristen vigard hi >>>>>bob wrote >>>>>as has Kristen Vigard on the "Grace Of My Heart" soundtrack. aaaahhhh!!!! so *thats* where it came from :-) i must 'fessup - i dont have *any* of bobs notorious frisbees collection. but i do spend a fair amount of time in the covers section - after the lyrics ( *nobody* can read the lyrics on a cd insert) it's my second favourite part of the site. it pays as well. i was in the local 2nd hand shop & theres this really ratty looking cd with torn covers. but the name looks vaguely familiar - kristen vigard. really couldnt think why the name rang a bell but i really couldnt place it. ah hell - only twenty rand (around $2.50) so i just bought it - took it home - what a pleasant surprise - kristen sure can sing!!! some nice jazzy type music as well - definitely a goodie!!! the other artist i got into via the covers section was hanne boel - got 2 of her albums now and really love them. has anyone else stumbled across any other great artists from the covers page???? ron np - jimi - woke up this morning & found myself dead - live in new york ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:40:41 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni coverrs/kristen vigard -- NJC Ron writes: << has anyone else stumbled across any other great artists from the covers page???? >> No. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:05:47 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: political tidbits NJC Kucinich???? A great lyric from a song calle3d Have another Laugh on Clevelan Blooze by Alex Beva: Dennis the Kucinich the people Mayor to ther finich appeal to you you, appeal to me and the FCC on local TV... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:04:06 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni covers/kristen vigard In a message dated 5/13/2003 2:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > has anyone else stumbled across any other great artists > from the covers > page???? Well, I have to admit that I don't ALWAYS listen to the ENTIRE CD or LP when I get them, but when the cover is good, I do...some of the artists I have "discovered" by way of the Covers project: Christine Sullivan (Australian jazz singer) Karyn Allyson (her "In Blue" release from last year rocks!) Claire Martin Diana Krall Diane Reeves Fred Simon Thanks for your post, Ron...I put a lot of effort into keeping it updated, and if only 1 person is getting enjoyment from it it's all worthwhile to me. Bob NP: Manfred Mann's Earth Band, "Banquet" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:09:37 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni covers/kristen vigard In a message dated 5/13/2003 2:37:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, flopit@mweb.co.za writes: > has anyone else stumbled across any other great artists > from the covers > page???? Well, I have to admit that I don't ALWAYS listen to the ENTIRE CD or LP when I get them, but when the cover is good, I do...some of the artists I have "discovered" by way of the Covers project: Christine Sullivan (Australian jazz singer) Karyn Allyson (her "In Blue" release from last year rocks!) Claire Martin Diana Krall Diane Reeves Fred Simon Thanks for your post, Ron...I put a lot of effort into keeping it updated, and if only 1 person is getting enjoyment from it it's all worthwhile to me. Bob NP: Manfred Mann's Earth Band, "Banquet" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Canuck congrats to Diana Krall (no joan) Diana Krall has just been awarded the Order of British Columbia, the Canadian province's highest honour. Krall was born in Nanaimo, a town on Vancouver Island, just outside of Victoria. Here's a bit from the CBC story: Live in Paris, Krall's first concert album, recently won Vocal Jazz Album of the Year at the Junos and was named Best Jazz Vocal Album at this year's Grammy Awards. Krall, 38, began studying music at the age of four. Raised on jazz standards, a 19-year-old Krall was playing piano at a local restaurant, when she was discovered by famed bassist Ray Brown. She released her first album Stepping Out in 1993 and her popularity grew steadily. It was Krall's 1998 album When I Look in Your Eyes that made her an international bestseller. She currenltly lives in New York City and plans to marry British pop singer Elvis Costello this summer. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:09:52 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: The Be Good Tanyas et al. and Gratitude NJC >p.s.s. The main reason i decided to begin posting again was because when >Colin became ill, I was as worried as I would be about a member of my own >family...my husband even asked about his health...so it occurred to me that >the list is, indeed, a family that I should visit more often > > > but not as worried as me....;-) What a sweet surprise Bev. i remember our converstaion on the phone 5 years ago! yes it is that long ago.I ave lived in the countryside just over 4 years now. Anyway, i am doing okay. I carry a little chemist shop around with me but then many people do. I am coping much better than i thought i would. am not panicking.(i am never sure if that word should a k in it ). In fact, i seem to feel quite happy. I am certainly appreciating things much more. I had a 20 mile drive earlier and I looked at the sky and horizon as the sun set over the feilds and I felt joy.It was beautiful. My puppies are beautiful, i have wonderful friends, a home, no aggro, and of course the best man God could have given me. And some people actually like me. what more could I want? (Lots actually!) And my weight is dropping at a steady pace, just over a kg a week, or 2.5lbs. 35lbs altogether now. Funny Iw as only saying to my t a few motnhs ago, just before xmas, that I thought I could get rid of my size now-i felt i didn;t need it's protection(who is going to bother a 5ft 10" 273lbs man?).So i started on the idea of losing it, then started to lose it, then it got serious! I am sleeping well at night and still ahev to sleep 2 hours in the arvo. the pills make me tired. I am relaxed. i am letting stuff go. most things are just not important. I do miss not being able to be busy at my designing and knitting and sewing but i am still doing it but now a sweater takes me 4days instead of 1. I walk the dogs for an hour or so a day. I have slowed down but no so i feel old and weak but so i feel good and relaxed and have time to just be andenjoy. none of us know how long we have here. mny people didn't make it to my age. i am lucky. I could still be here at 80. I have taken a day at atime for a long time now, only now it is more alive. Good to see you post Bev. I didn't forget. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:09:58 -0400 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: Re: The Be Good Tanyas et al. and Gratitude NJC > I could still be here at 80. I have taken a day at atime for > a long time now, only now it is more alive. I hope you are still here at 80, Colin! And keep on enjoying being ALIVE!! Love, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:20:17 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Perma-Vine Please forgive the delay. My e.mail has been down since last Thursday. I received the disc and am ready to pass it along. The disk for the burnerless soul will be going to Warren Keith Humphrey in North Carolina Warrenkeith91354@aol.com in tomorrow's mail. Who wants the original? First one to respond gets it. Don't forget to promise to pass it along and make a copy for a person w/o a CD burner. (+ all the other rules...) ~Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When you don't know where you're going, you have to stick together just in case someone gets there." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:24:22 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Chuck Mitchell in Ann Arbor, MI Hi, If you are in or near Ann Arbor, Michigan, Chuck Mitchell will be performing tomorrow (Wed) at The Ark- Terry www.addconsults.com CHUCK MITCHELL Wednesday, May 14, 8 p.m. TICKETS: $15 Seasoned troubadour brings broad and sophisticated selections of songs Chuck Mitchell has been called a renaissance man, but maybe troubadour would be a better word--Mitchell performs a one-man show that weaves together complex poetry and popular song. He sings cabaret songs by Brecht and Weill, English music-hall tunes, Ewan MacColl's "Freeborn Man," and more, reciting poetry by Robert Frost and T.S. Eliot along the way. This performance promises a delightful, upbeat, provocative evening of words and music. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:28:04 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Be Good Tanyas et al. and Gratitude NJC In a message dated 5/13/03 2:53:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thefishpond@cfl.rr.com writes: > ok..i'm done > Bev...u ARE funny, btw...I love your handle "thefishpond" LOL! I'm a fish In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:36:30 -0600 From: Dan Olson Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell in Ann Arbor, MI Just yesterday, I noticed in very tiny print on Herbie Hancock's "Gershwin's World" (which features Joni of course) under "Special Thanks", Chuck Mitchell is the first of several (obscure) people named. I wonder if it's the same Chuck Mitchell. It seems kind of unlikely that Chuck's and Herbie's paths would have crossed. At 07:24 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, >If you are in or near Ann Arbor, Michigan, Chuck Mitchell will be performing >tomorrow (Wed) at The Ark- > >Terry >www.addconsults.com > >CHUCK MITCHELL >Wednesday, May 14, 8 p.m. TICKETS: $15 >Seasoned troubadour brings broad and sophisticated selections of >songs >Chuck Mitchell has been called a renaissance man, but maybe >troubadour would be a better word--Mitchell performs a one-man show >that weaves together complex poetry and popular song. He sings >cabaret songs by Brecht and Weill, English music-hall tunes, Ewan >MacColl's "Freeborn Man," and more, reciting poetry by Robert Frost >and T.S. Eliot along the way. This performance promises a delightful, >upbeat, provocative evening of words and music. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #284 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)