From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #283 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 13 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 283 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Big Green njc ["kakki" ] Today's Library Links: May 13 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] "Yesterday and Today", in praise of, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Big Green njc [Janet Hess ] Re: kakki constitution njc [David Sadowski ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:01:18 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: Big Green njc Bree asked: > Wasn't the EPA formed during Richard Nixon's administration? Yes, in July 1970 (Joni was right on time with Big Yellow Taxi ;-) I remember the environmental movement just exploding overnight back then. In 1971, I worked with some Republican "greenies" on a conservation effort that ultimately resulted in the establishment of the California Coastal Commission in 1972 and the preservation of the California coastline and public access to its beaches. (Gov. Reagan in office). In 1991, Gov. Wilson by executive order established the California EPA. >If so..pretty progressive and quite gutsy I might add. Just following the tradition of conservationist Teddy Rooseveldt who established the National Park System. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 02:03:46 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 13 On May 13 the following items were published: 1972: "Joni Overcomes Disaster Threat" - Sounds (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=343 1972: "Priestess Joni" - Melody Maker (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=181 1998: "Here Come the Women, Pens at the Ready" - Edmonton Sun (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=229 1998: "Triple Bill Thrill" - Edmonton Sun (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=102 2000: "Joni Mitchell Comes Home Again" - CheckOut.com (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=542 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:15:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "Yesterday and Today", in praise of, njc beatles rule...loved reading j leventhal interview in perf songwriter & how much he loves the beatles...also crowded house...me too!!!!!...i think i may be reapeating myself but i see a legacy of sorts...beatles to crowded house to toad the wet sprocket.....love all those bands they are heads above most others... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 02:18:41 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Big Green njc >Just following the tradition of conservationist Teddy Rooseveldt who >established the National Park System. I forgot about the old Rough Rider....a definite progressive. ( I saw on the news tonight Kakki.. where LA is a troubled city. Fiscally..etc ) Bree >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 02:28:55 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Big Green njc I was a VISTA volunteer in the rural South from 1971 to 1973. A VISTA program manager working out of the Atlanta office was known to assert, and more than once, "Ecology is a Republican plot." John solemnly believed that Republicans came up with Earth Day and the environmental movement as a way to divert energy and attention from anti-Vietnam war activity. All these years later, I can still hear him drawling, "Ecology is a Republican plot!" Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, currently launching a plot of her own to get some Fishies treats At 11:01 PM 5/12/2003 -0700, kakki wrote: >Bree asked: > > > Wasn't the EPA formed during Richard Nixon's administration? > >Yes, in July 1970 (Joni was right on time with Big Yellow Taxi ;-) I >remember the environmental movement just exploding overnight back then. In >1971, I worked with some Republican "greenies" on a conservation effort that >ultimately resulted in the establishment of the California Coastal >Commission in 1972 and the preservation of the California coastline and >public access to its beaches. (Gov. Reagan in office). In 1991, Gov. Wilson >by executive order established the California EPA. > > >If so..pretty progressive and quite gutsy I might add. > >Just following the tradition of conservationist Teddy Rooseveldt who >established the National Park System. > >Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 01:42:24 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: kakki constitution njc The US Constitution, as originally formed, was a compact between the original states, most of which had slavery. Prevailing opinion at the time was that slavery was on the decline, and that was one reason for banning the importation of additional slaves. This may be why the document does not mention slavery directly. There was some thought that eventually slavery would die a natural death. During this era it was the various state constitutions that either prohibited or permitted slavery, and not the federal constitution. However, the founding fathers in general hoped that slavery would eventually pass away, hence their attempts to keep slavery out of many of the new territories. The notion that slavery would gradually disappear did not count on the Cotton Gin, which made slavery highly profitable. Federal battles over slavery in the period up to the Civil War tended to center on whether it should be permitted in states newly formed from the national territories. The first of these major battles involved Missouri, which became a slave state in 1820. For the pro-slavery forces, the high water mark came in 1845 when Texas was allowed to enter the Union as a slave state. But in general, most of the new states did not allow slavery. A crisis developed for the south when California was admitted in 1850 as a free state. It became apparent that the slave states would forever more be in a minority. Hence, the pro-slavery forces became increasingly more radical. As the House of Representatives was more representative than the states, over time there developed more anti-slavery sentiment there than in the Senate, which remained largely under the control of the south. Thus anti-slavery agitation began cropping up in the House in the late 1840s with the Wilmot Proviso, which would have kept slavery out of the new lands taken from Mexico. During this era there were a few northern states that permitted black people to vote, but most did not, including the otherwise "free" state I live in, Illinois. A miniature civil war developed in 1854 over the admission of Kansas. Then, in 1857, the Supreme Court, in the infamous Dred Scott case, determined that black people had, essentially, no rights that the federal government was bound to respect. Lincoln, in his "House Divided" speech, implied (incorrectly perhaps) that there was a conspiracy between President Buchanan, the Supreme Court, and Stephen Douglas to nationalize slavery through a second Dred Scott decision. Thus, as the Civil War got underway in 1861, the federal courts were on the verge of grappling with the issue of whether slavery should be respected in all the states and territories alike. The Supreme Court may have been leaning in the direction of nationalizing slavery, but this was political dynamite and would not have been accepted by the northern states. Ultimately, the 1860 presidential election demonstrated that the north would dominate the south on a political level. There had been, previously, some presidents from the north with southern sympathies (Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan) but no longer. What did the south fear? They expected, first, that the Republican Party would gradually become national, using the lure of patronage to infiltrate the border states, and eventually all the south. They feared that the border states would gradually abandon slavery, and the slave states would become smaller and smaller in number, until such time as the free states would have a 2/3rds majority and would amend the Constitution to outlaw slavery. Faced with the prospect of losing so much political power, southern politicians (led by Jefferson Davis) thought disunion and separation an attractive alternative. Odds favored the south at the start of war, as all the south had to do was persuade the north to leave them alone, while the north had to defeat and occupy a vast territory to win. In early 1861, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens noted that slavery was the "cornerstone" of the south. However, the course of war tended to show that slavery was obsolete, to the point where the south was willing, by war's end, to concede the point if the north would let them alone. There were even attempts to make slaves soldiers in exchange for their freedom. Hence, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a potent tool that helped the north.. and the south had no effective way to respond to it. Logically they should have abandoned slavery, but then there would have been no point to separation either. The north would not accept anything less than unconditional surrender, and the end of the war and some additional constitutional amendments finally brought slavery to an end on the federal level forever. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #283 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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