From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #279 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 279 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: "Ritual", in praise of, njc ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Cover Art For WOHAM [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #278 ["Emily Griskavich" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #278 ["Emily Griskavich" ] DED and other things [MGVal@aol.com] Time-Life ultimate 70's collection ["Suze Cameron" ] testing the water - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: WOHAM DVD cover [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: testing the water - NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni's "love songs" [Little Bird ] Re: Joni's "love songs" [Little Bird ] lucky girl for wedding ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni Covers ["Larry D." ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] May 10th!!! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] May 10th!!! njc [colin Subject: Subject: Re: "Ritual", in praise of, njc martin giles (uber sound genius) wrote This may be heresy to you, but you may like it - I did a copy for Les Ross ;last year, which he likes. Martin. In London. me : Oh yes baby! This is a corking piece of work! I can commend it whole heartedly to all Yessians. Les (London...and at work today - bleuch) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 06:28:37 EDT From: Aerchak@aol.com Subject: Re: best/worst joni covers In my mind one of the very best Joni cover's I have EVER heard is Dianna Krall's A Case Of You (Live From Paris). It gives me shivers. I would also like to thank r argento for my joni/james cd which is marvelous. A friend wanted to make a copy but that violates the perma vine rules, right? Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:33:55 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: U.S. political, media content (njc) pc Anne Sandstrom wrote >>As I said in an email a while back, the U.S. FCC (Federal Communications Commission) is considering further deregulation of the media. This will create a media cartel, with all news controlled by a handful of large companies.<< and would this be the same FCC which is controlled by Michael Powell, son of ex-General (now Secretary of State?) Colon Powell? Hmm... mike in barcelona NP PMG Third Wind ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:35:35 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: U.S. political, media content (njc) pc Randy rote >> It is just another blow to democracy by the villains in Washington, the latest corporate giveaway by the ultimate friends of the billionaires and multi-nationals. I can almost hear Jefferson screaming in anguish from here.<< and would that be Thomas Jefferson, who owned slaves and backed legislation to protect the rights of the slave owning classes and who presided over a country that defined black people in its constitution as worth 60% of a white person? mike in barcelona, a little uppity today, must be the spring allergies... NP PMG In Her Family ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:45:53 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Has anyone heard from Paul? Sorry for the bandwidth, but I have been privately e-mailing Paul Castle (pdcmusic@freeuk.com) for months and no answer back at all. He sometimes takes a while to e-mail back, but to not answer at all after several e-mails is rare. Does anyone know how to check up on him? Hugs, Worried Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:06:21 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: May 10th!!! njc Gregg Cagno & Maggie Anderson will pledge their troth this fine spring day in North Carolina....Carl has even agreed to wear a tux lol! I will post pics as I get them....I wish i could be there....here's wishing them all the best that life has to offer rosie in nj In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:15:11 -0400 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Re: Cover Art For WOHAM Deb Messing wrote: Amazon.com has the cover art for the WOHAM DVD: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000096FTI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net ****************************************** Thanks Deb. It makes great background art for Windows 98. P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:19:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cover Art For WOHAM I ordered one from the PBS's 800# an automated system weeks ago....I still haven't received mine yet....I think their system failed....did anyone else order this way, and did u receive your copy yet? rosie in nj In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:35:57 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #278 Dear Christopher, When did poop juice come into the conversation? I have some good poop juice stories, but I don't think anybody wants to hear them. (Poop juice fiends can reply to me personally and I'll send it along. I don't want to gross out everyone.) Emily ate: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:17:56 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: ducklover, poopjuice, and NJC - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Griskavich" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Ducklovers Anonymous > Once upon a time, when I was in eighth grade, we had two elementary schoolers riding our middle and high school bus. They were my friend Victor's brothers, in fourth and first grades. Victor's guy friends were always teaching the first grader bad words without teaching him what they meant. One day, they taught him f**k, and he started sing-chanting "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k a duck, f**k, f**k..." > > I also had an adjunct professor last year who worked a day job as a high school teacher. Since she couldn't swear in front of her high schoolers, "Lord love a duck" was one of her favorite expressions. > > -EG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:35:57 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #278 Dear Christopher, When did poop juice come into the conversation? I have some good poop juice stories, but I don't think anybody wants to hear them. (Poop juice fiends can reply to me personally and I'll send it along. I don't want to gross out everyone.) Emily ate: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:17:56 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: ducklover, poopjuice, and NJC - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Griskavich" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Ducklovers Anonymous > Once upon a time, when I was in eighth grade, we had two elementary schoolers riding our middle and high school bus. They were my friend Victor's brothers, in fourth and first grades. Victor's guy friends were always teaching the first grader bad words without teaching him what they meant. One day, they taught him f**k, and he started sing-chanting "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k a duck, f**k, f**k..." > > I also had an adjunct professor last year who worked a day job as a high school teacher. Since she couldn't swear in front of her high schoolers, "Lord love a duck" was one of her favorite expressions. > > -EG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:44:06 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: DED and other things Chiming in with DED opinion....... It's hard to have a least favorite Joni album, there's always something that I like about most of them. Except, now that I think about it, Turbulent Indigo, but that's mostly a hearing thing for me. It seems that her singing gets lost in the sauce. The DED thread is timely, too, because I am thinking of using "Lucky Girl" for my walk down the aisle song next month. The only thing that is making me hesitate is that some of the lyrics seem disrespectful of men. From that perspective, how appropriate is that for a wedding "march?" Do youse guys have any thoughts on that or can you recommend any other appropriate Joni songs? I thought about "Love" but the darkness of it has me avoiding it. (On the other hand, since there'll be an open bar outside the chapel before the ceremony, who the heck is going to notice?!?!) It's been hard for me to locate a Joni love song that is truly upbeat. There are those that celebrate love but always with a dismal edge. Or so it seems to me. Whaddaya think? In the "Other Things" Department: 1. Joni's Travelogue was listed as on the of "Top Ten Worst CDs" to own by a magazine that the MTV Store in NY was giving away last month with every purchase over $25. (whattadealdoya get in the big city, eh?). Oh boy, I can't remember the name and I hung onto it for weeks thinking I'd post it to the list because their commentary was interesting. Now, of course, I can't find it for beans. Oh well. 2. Jackson Browne is going to be on the Simpson's on Sunday!!! 3. Jackson Browne is going to be playing at the Concord Pavilion on July 27th. Tickets go on sale May 18th. If any list members are planning to attend, please email me off list. He's also playing at the Aladdin in Las Vegas on July 27th and I'm thinking of hitting that show, too. 4. I'm not a movier goer because I need close captioning but I saw "Identity" last night. (and last month, too, but before the movie I took 4 advil as a preventative tool to head off any wine/champagne headaches. Unfortunately, it turned out that my Mom put "advil/sleep aids" bottle in my bag and I snoozed through several crucial scenes.) Now it wasn't the best movie ever but it was very thought provoking in terms of reality, who we are, who we perceive ourselves to be and things like that. I highly recommend it. 5. Joni Fest: having been to several, I can strongly say that it's worth the time and expensive. I noticed that Lama carefully left out the "leaving MG high and dry in the hotel lobby in Pittsburgh" part of the first Joni Fest hosted by Julie Z. Webb but I won't bring that up. For myself, this is the year of the wedding so I have to pass on it. But if you can swing it, do it. Really. Anything else? Checking through pockets.......nope....just belly button lint. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:03:27 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Time-Life ultimate 70's collection O.k., so it is now confirmed that I have no life. I was watching the informercial for the Ultimate 70's collection when I heard sweet Joni singing Help Me. The notes about the 74 collection say this: Ultimate Seventies: 1974 Hey kids, shake it loose together was the call to action by Elton John in the #1 hit Bennie And The Jets. Pick up that and Lynyrd Skynyrd's Sweet Home Alabama, Joni Mitchell's Help Me, Eric Clapton's I Shot The Sheriff, and 14 more! While I have never been inclined to buy something like this I must say that this is the first time I can recall Joni ever being included in a Time-Life collection. Any comments? Sue n.p. "Someone to Blame" Justified ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:04:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: testing the water - NJC On the Joni only list (as you all know) we have just been through yet another round of DED bashing/defending and recently there was a discussion on Joni's pronunciation of 'peridots'. I'd like to know how much traffic there has been on the NJC list of late and what the atmosphere is like over there these days. Friendly? Strained? Downright hostile? I'm feeling a bit content restrained (and deprived) on the Joni-only and thinking of going back to NJC. Please cc me in on any responses you may have as I haven't made the switch yet and won't get them with the NJC tag on them. Thanks, Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:21:09 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: WOHAM DVD cover Deb, great link, thanks for the heads up. They used that same montage for a 1/3 page ad in the latest edition of Premiere magazine. ( June 2003 ) Joni's PR folks always use Premiere for ads, I can remember seeing ads as far back as NRH. ( Actually that's as far back as I can remember...period !!! ) It is such a gorgeous montage. While I'm here I would like to thank Catherine from Toronto for her generosity. She was kind enough to send me a copy of WOHAM for my viewing pleasure, and what a pleasure it is...I've seen it twice and I'm still speechless ! Thanks again Catherine you are a gem ! ( I'm still dumbfounded that UNC-TV chose not to air it .) Jonily Yours, Warren Keith p.s. More on WOHAM later, I've got to get myself back to the garden... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:28:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: testing the water - NJC In a message dated 5/10/2003 1:04:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I'd like to know how much traffic there has been on the NJC list of > late and what the atmosphere is like over there these days. Friendly? > Strained? Downright hostile? I'm feeling a bit content restrained > (and deprived) on the Joni-only and thinking of going back to NJC. > Hi Mark, the NJC traffic has been moderate with no hostility lately. It's difficult for everyone to cc you when they think it might be something important to you. I might suggest that you check out the archives once you get your joni-only digest. They appear immediately, and that way you can read or comment on any NJC stuff that interests you. Of coure I know to cc you if there's any talk of Ricky Lee Jones, Billie Holiday, Bette Midler, or Bette Davis :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Joni's "love songs" Most, if not all, of Joni's love songs are not love songs at all - at least not in the traditional sense. They are not the sweet, blind recollections of perfect, long-lasting love but are viewed by Joan in a bit of a half light. She wants to love. She loves her loving! But not like she loves her freedom. There is always that element of darkness in her "love songs" that is unique to her brand of songwriting, I think. No other song writer has dealt with love in such 'REAL' terms. Some write about the glory of love while others write about the pain when it goes, but Joni articulates every single emotion or feeling that accompanies the process of love, from beginning to end: "This feels good; Is it right for me? This is wonderful! Am I losing myself? I love him! Does he love me back? He loves me! I hate him some. I am in love! Does he really understand me?" And so on, and so on.... She looks at love with such an unwavering, penetrating gaze - the good and the bad of it. That's personally why I love her love songs so much - because they are the closest any artist has ever come to expressing the truth about love's many sides - the happiness of it and the frustration of it. Because of that dark element in her songs, I would not suggest using any of Joni's own material for a wedding. There is always that element of "is this real?" in her songs, or some hint of analysis, that just doesn't seem appropriate for a day that is meant to celebrate undying love and complete union. I know that "At Last" is often played at weddings (Etta James) so maybe use Joni's cover as the first dance, if you need to have a Joni element at your wedding. Other than that I'd say "Love" is the most uplifting song about love - not the Travelogue version, though, which is leaden down with too much instrumentation and Joni's dark voice. The original is quite lite and sunny, though. Just some love for thought. - -Andrew __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Little Bird Subject: Re: Joni's "love songs" That's true, I had forgotten about Night Ride Home. Actually, there are a few songs she has written about "ideal moments" with another person that don't deal with the complexities of a relationship, per se: Chelsea Morning, The Only Joy In Town, Ray's Dad's Cadillac, In France They Kiss on Main Street, The Crazy Cries of Love, etc. If MG wants Joni she will have Joni - no doubt about it, no doubt that's essential, no doubt that's always been a tricky one for me, so I should just surrender, let Bob and MG shape me, let light hearts remake me, let my worries hush... - -Andrew - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Andrew writes: > > << Because of that dark element in her songs, I > would not > suggest using any of Joni's own material for a > wedding. >> > > But this is MG's wedding and she wants Joni! You're > right in your analysis, Andrew, except one song > comes to mind -- "Night Ride Home." Of course, Joni > is singing about a man she later divorced . . . > > --Bob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:46:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: lucky girl for wedding mary the graceful one, LG is a good choice! but just imagine what all your ex-boyfriends will think when you get to "i never loved a man i trusted as far as i could pitch my shoe"!!! better not ask them to the wedding... love, wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de MGVal@aol.com Enviado el: Sabado, 10 de Mayo de 2003 11:44 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: DED and other things The DED thread is timely, too, because I am thinking of using "Lucky Girl" for my walk down the aisle song next month. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:19:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry D." Subject: Re: Joni Covers My current favorite Joni cover is probably Diana Krall's "Case of You". Also partial to Mark Murphy's "Goodbye Porkpie Hat". Among the not-so-good, Paul Young (whom I generally like) does a pretty awful BSN. Minnie Ripperton (whom, again, I generally like) covered WOHAM that makes me grind my teeth. I'll be releasing my debut solo CD the first part of June. It includes a cover of "Carey", so maybe I should keep my mouth shut about other peoples' covers (glass houses and all), but I guess it's too late now. Peace, y'all. Larry D www.larry-d.com NP: "I'm Blowing Away", Bonnie Raitt ("Home Plate" album) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:42:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] May 10th!!! njc Oh Happy Day! May love & joy & music & all good things be forever theirs...congratulations to the nocodependent couple...lol>> Gregg Cagno & Maggie Anderson will pledge their troth this fine spring day in North Carolina....<< www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:47:08 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] May 10th!!! njc you can send your congrats to greggno@ureach.com In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:15:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Best & Worst Joni covers >"Rainy Night House" by Chad Jasmine is just wretched. Victor can back me up on this.< lets hope that chad isn't a lurker on this list! i have not heard too many covers but i vote for caroline aiken's coyote as the best i've ever heard...unfortunatley it is not recorded (as far as i know)...she's an amazing guitar player & great smokey singer...bonnie raitt has sung her prasies... i heard her do it live in a concert we did together...the irony of this show is that during soundcheck, out of the blue she turned to my bass player who was about to get off stage after our check & asked him if he knew coyote...we had never talked about joni but this song just happens to be the one joni song that my bass player's other band had performed at my joni tribute & he knows so it well...i tell you he almost fell off his stool when she asked him if he knew it...they launched into it & they were both flying high after the song...it was really really really good! he was thrilled to play with someone so accomplished & she said she felt like she was flying! anyway caroline's coyote was better than joni's imo...cuz she ROCKED! www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #278 JMDL Digest Saturday, May 10 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 278 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Jazz Fest Mics Special (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Dawntreader, then and now ["Kate Bennett" ] new performing songwriter ["Kate Bennett" ] They paved paradise...no Lawns ...again [Gordon Mackie ] Another $75.00 Winner!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Best/Worst Joni cover [Jerry Notaro ] a joke with absolutey no joni content -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] U.S. political, media content (njc) pc [anne@sandstrom.com] Best & Worst Joni covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: win a smurf for the night -- NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: WOHAM DVD cover [Randy Remote ] RE:The Dawntreader, then and now ["J.David Sapp" ] Some other great ones [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: U.S. political, media content (njc) pc [Randy Remote ] Re: "Ritual", in praise of, njc ["Martin Giles" ] Ducklovers Anonymous ["Emily Griskavich" ] Ducklovers Anonymous ["Emily Griskavich" ] Re: Ducklovers Anonymous [colin ] more on FCC (njc) pc [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: more on FCC (njc) pc [magsnbrei ] Re: more on FCC (njc) pc [Randy Remote ] ducklover, poopjuice, and NJC ["Christopher Treacy" ] Today's Library Links: May 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 00:05:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jazz Fest Mics Special (NJC) i have one of these & love it...that's a great deal.. Four (4) Audix OM-6 $329.00 $164.00 www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 00:05:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Dawntreader, then and now that is a beautiful image >As a 6th grader, I remember hearing those wonderful haunting songs (I had a king, michael from mountains, the dawntreader) through her bedroom door, little knowing that I would be experiencing her music continuously for the rest of my life.< www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 00:05:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: new performing songwriter really nice mention of joni in the note from the editor where she writes about watching "woman of heart & mind" on pbs & brought to tears (like the rest of us) & goes on about her amazing talents... also a major congratulations to patti witten for making it into the coveted diy 12 section...a great review which you can read here: http://www.performingsongwriter.com/pages/69/diy12.cfm www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:57:23 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: They paved paradise...no Lawns ...again Hi JMDLers... ....and hi back to Willy the Shake who has re-surfaced after leaving Scotland to go to New Zealand. Watch out Hell, he's coming your way... so he says.... A thought. I posted at the time of Travelogue release mentioning no 'Hissing' material and stated I beleived it's cos the third part of the 'orchestrated trilogy' would be a re-working of the entire album. Re-watching 'Amercian Masters' video last night (thats to Bob Muller) and wondering again why no mention of 'Hissing'... at all. Any thoughts people? I know she always said the critical response to Hissing was 'the worst' (her own words) but to my mind it has always been the best album by far (sorry Hejira lovers...I love that too but...). As she says in the album notes, it was conceived as a whole and to me that shines out. Is she protecting it? Is she ignoring it? Missing or dissing? What Joni...what ? Tell me woman. Demented in Glasgow (lol) Gordon - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:26 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle) Subject: Subject: The Dawntreader, then and now I first heard the Dawntreader in 1968 when I was just 13 and only really listened to Debussy. I can remember being astonished by the sound of her guitar and voice - definately painting in words and pictures.I love both versions. As for the worst cover of a Joni song. Could possibly be my efforts to cover said great tune! Anita - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 06:34:09 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: They paved paradise...no Lawns ...again In a message dated 09/05/2003 10:00:39 GMT Daylight Time, gordon.mackie@strath.ac.uk writes: > I posted at the time of Travelogue release mentioning no 'Hissing' > material and stated I beleived it's cos the third part of the > 'orchestrated trilogy' would be a re-working of the entire album. > > Please God No!!! Azeem NP: Crowded House - Fingers of Love - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:55:16 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #156 In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:01:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Subject: Dog Eat Dog > > I have to say DED is probably my least favorite Joni CD, however, > Impossible Dreamer is one of my favorite Joni songs. That song seems so > different from everything else on the album. And DED seems so different > from every other Joni CD. > > Does anyone know what was going on in Joni's life during the making of DED? > > > Frank I know - she was going through a creative spurt - and came up a different, but equally as interesting recording as any of her others up to that point. DED is an excellent recording. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:17:32 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: worst beatles cover of all time -- what about joni? Jimmy writes: << NP: Marcel Deste "I am a Rock" >> He certainly is! --Bob - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 08:41:28 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: WOHAM DVD cover Amazon.com has the cover art for the WOHAM DVD: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000096FTI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:58:10 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Another $75.00 Winner!! Kerry Nikutta has sent in a deposit for Jonifest and earned herself a $75.00 credit!! Congrats, Kerry, and can't wait to see you there! Hugs, Ashara - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:01:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Best/Worst Joni cover I just received the newly remastered Bonnie Raitt Streetlights. That Song About the Midway (as well as Rainy Day Man, and Angel From Montgomery) sound better than ever. I think most on the list would agree that Bonnie's Midway is the best cover of Joni's work. Jerry, excited about seeing Ben Harper tonight! np: Linda Thompson - No Telling Little Bird wrote: >>>When I first heard this one >>>the radio announcer said after the song, "Joni >>>Mitchell's version doesn't sound like that. Joni's >>>version sounds like crap." >>> >>> >>> >>Andrew, I'm still laughing. That is priceless! >>Ken >> >> > >It's true - that's what he said! I was dumbfounded! > >:) > >-Andrew > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:07:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: a joke with absolutey no joni content -- NJC A student of proctology is in the morgue one day after classes, wanting to get a little practice in before the final exams. He goes over to a table where a body is lying face down. He removes the sheet from the body, and to his surprise he finds a cork in the corpse's rectum. Figuring that this is fairly unusual, he pulls the cork out, and to his surprise, music begins playing: "On the road again...just can't wait to get on the road again..." The student is amazed, and places the cork back in the backside. The music stops. Totally freaked out, the student calls the Medical Examiner over to the corpse. "Look at this, this is really something," the student tells the examiner as he pulls the cork back out again. "On the road again...just can't wait to get on the road again..." "So what?" the Medical Examiner replies, obviously unimpressed with the student's discovery. "But isn't that the most amazing thing you've ever seen?" asked the student. "Are you kidding?" replied the Examiner, "Any asshole can sing country music." - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 06:21:17 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: U.S. political, media content (njc) pc I feel very strongly about this and hope some of you do too. As I said in an email a while back, the U.S. FCC (Federal Communications Commission) is considering further deregulation of the media. This will create a media cartel, with all news controlled by a handful of large companies. The deadline is June 2, 2003. (I suspect Joni is aghast at the possibility of further media deregulation, since she's ranted about big company control of entertainment for years.) Here's the URL of a place where you can voice your opinion: http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/?id=1344-1809547-6q2osfB89FQEn9pan8kZOA Thanks for listening. lots of love Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:28:49 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Best & Worst Joni covers Dang - y'all are making it VERY tough for me to be a lurker! Talkin' 'bout them Joni covers...the best? Well, my personal favorite STILL has to be Bonnie's "That Song About The Midway", her version FAR outshines Joni's own, and that's NOT an easy thing to do. There are about a gazillion that I love, and very few that I dislike. William Shatner has not done a Joni song; however his Vulcan pal Leonard Nimoy has, Both Sides Now of course; it's as bad as you'd think it would be and is included on our Volume 4 (subtitled "The Power of Cheese"). On that same Volume is the classic Nazareth cover of "This Flight Tonight". Now...maybe you don't like it, that's certainly your right...BUT you have to give them credit for making the song their own. Most folks think of TFT as a "Nazareth" song as opposed to a Joni song, as associated with them as Woodstock is with CSNY. Don't believe me? Go to ebay, Amazon, any music website, search on "This Flight Tonight" and see what happens. I rest my case. In much the same way, I always thought "Twisted" was a Joni song, because she made it HER own. The VAST majority of covers of TFT are covers of the Nazareth version, not Joni's version, and she has made a gazooberzillion "royalty pennies" from it. There's even a cover of it on the Nazareth TRIBUTE CD. And this is not documented, but I'll bet a buck that it's also the inspiration for Heart's "Barracuda". Besides the original electric version, Nazareth also does a nice unplugged version of it. My own personal favorite is the speed-death metal version by Zimmer's Hole. Picking the worst cover is easy for most folks, extremely tough for me as I've heard around 1000. There are SO many cheesy dated BSN's, it's hard to single out 1 or even 30. And I think of all these covers as my babies, and it's tough to pick faves or say you don't love them...BUT: "Rainy Night House" by Chad Jasmine is just wretched. Victor can back me up on this. Hasn't been released to the JMDL, but it's coming, so LOCK YOUR DOORS NOW! In my opinion, it's so bad it's great, whereas Jim Nabor's BSN is just plain bad. (And Murphy, this was JIMMY's contribution...). OK, enough about covers. For now. Back to lurking, unless y'all keep 'bout them Joni covers. Bob NP: Phoebe Snow, "A Case Of You" ( a SWEET one from Volume #1, the great grandaddy of this whole thang ) - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:44:07 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: win a smurf for the night -- NJC Paz wrote: > In next weeks episode we will catch up with Ashara and Stephen and the whole > dating club scene (the untold stories).. > Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara {P.S. Paz, the hush money is in the mail!} - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:02:51 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: WOHAM DVD cover Kind of weird how the little pictures cover her face. I hope Joni didn't design it. I just got through dissing DED and don't want to start up again...... RR ps she looks totally hot in the orange sweater lower left Deb Messling wrote: > Amazon.com has the cover art for the WOHAM DVD: > > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000096FTI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:20:40 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: RE:The Dawntreader, then and now Mark the most significant lyric change to me was: I have brought *some* dreams to share to I have brought *my* dreams to share Joni is now publicly owning her dream of a baby - sweet since now we all know who the baby is. peace, david - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:11:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Some other great ones Coincidentally, I've been spinning covers all day long, and I'm reminded of some other beautiful ones, all from Volume 2: Sara McLachlan - Blue Brian Kennedy - A Case Of You Betty Buckley - I Had a King Christine "OHMIGOD THIS WOMAN CAN SING" Collister - Same Situation, Shades of Scarlett Conquering (and besides sounding superb, she picks songs that NOBODY else does...love it) Bob NP: Janis Siegel - River - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:17:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: U.S. political, media content (njc) pc Thanks for posting this Anne. The operative word in your sentence is FURTHER deregulation of an already monopoly- friendly climate for the media giants. Five corporations already control over 90% of the TV, radio, and newspapers. The new rules will remove the few remaining barriers that keep them from owning overlapping media in any given locale. I urge you to let your voice be heard, although I have a feeling, given the responsiveness of the government these days, and their willingness to give the current admin. whatever it wants, that there is little we can do to stop it. It is just another blow to democracy by the villians in Washington, the latest corporate giveaway by the ultimate friends of the billionaires and multi-nationals. I can almost hear Jefferson screaming in anguish from here. RR anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > I feel very strongly about this and hope some of you do > too. As I said in an email a while back, the U.S. FCC > (Federal Communications Commission) is considering > further deregulation of the media. This will create a > media cartel, with all news controlled by a handful of > large companies. The deadline is June 2, 2003. > > (I suspect Joni is aghast at the possibility of further > media deregulation, since she's ranted about big > company control of entertainment for years.) > > Here's the URL of a place where you can voice your > opinion: > > http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/?id=1344-1809547-6q2osfB89FQEn9pan8kZOA - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:36:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Some other great ones And Bob, don't forget about The Lydia Van Dam Group. That's an entire CD of wonderful Joni covers. Happy Weekend Everybody! Jimmy - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:47:27 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some other great ones In a message dated 5/9/2003 1:36:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL writes: > And Bob, don't forget about The Lydia Van Dam Group. > That's an entire CD of wonderful Joni covers. You betcha, and another one on Volume 2 that I forgot to mention was CSN's "Urge For Going"...a beautiful song anyway, one of my favorite Joni songs, and perfect for those Crosby-Nash harmonies. Bob NP: Adrienne Barbeau, "I Had A King" - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:01:45 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: "Ritual", in praise of, njc Lama said, > Wow, sure. Wait a minute. There's one "catch". You have to promise not to grimace when I sing falsetto on "I get up/I get down" > in the billard room. It's been known to drive sane people out of the room.. But as I'm nuts Lama, I think I'll be able to cope. (Nuts about Joni and YES anyway). I'll bring along a copy of my edited version of 'Tales' for you too. I call it 'Topographic Puddles'. I sat down at the Sonic Solutions a few years ago to see if I could tighten up the album a bit. (Mainly by taking out all of 'The Ancient' except the song at the end. The acoustic guitar section and the sone now form an introduction to 'Ritual'. This may be heresy to you, but you may like it - I did a copy for Les Ross ;last year, which he likes. Martin. In London. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:01:55 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: "Ritual", in praise of, njc Paz - you are too well connected to be true! I'd love a copy of those board mixes. I'll bring my Topographic Puddles' uniquely edited version of their 'Tales' album if you're interested. Martin. In London. - - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Paz To: Martin Giles ; Joni Digest ; Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:49 AM Subject: Re: "Ritual", in praise of, njc > Count me in on this discussion. And how about I bring you guys burned copies > from board mixes from the last tour. My boy Jeff Gex was the FOH engineer on > the last tour and he has done some amazing work. Best live Yes I have EVER > heard. I wanted to save this as a part of my Jazz Fest report but I am still > overwhelmed and can't get the whole story out yet, so I had to let this out > of the bag. Looking forward to meeting you Martin and well Lama, see you by > the duck pond... > > Best > > Paz > > > > Hey Lama > > > > I'm going to be a Jonifest debutant this year - can I book a place with you > > , Victor and Paz for that YES talk? For a clutch of albums they released in > > the early 70s, they're right up there with Joni as far as I'm concerned! > > > > Martin. In London. > > NPIMH that 'At all..' passage. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:35:53 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: Ducklovers Anonymous Once upon a time, when I was in eighth grade, we had two elementary schoolers riding our middle and high school bus. They were my friend Victor's brothers, in fourth and first grades. Victor's guy friends were always teaching the first grader bad words without teaching him what they meant. One day, they taught him f**k, and he started sing-chanting "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k a duck, f**k, f**k..." I also had an adjunct professor last year who worked a day job as a high school teacher. Since she couldn't swear in front of her high schoolers, "Lord love a duck" was one of her favorite expressions. - - -EG - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:35:53 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: Ducklovers Anonymous Once upon a time, when I was in eighth grade, we had two elementary schoolers riding our middle and high school bus. They were my friend Victor's brothers, in fourth and first grades. Victor's guy friends were always teaching the first grader bad words without teaching him what they meant. One day, they taught him f**k, and he started sing-chanting "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k a duck, f**k, f**k..." I also had an adjunct professor last year who worked a day job as a high school teacher. Since she couldn't swear in front of her high schoolers, "Lord love a duck" was one of her favorite expressions. - - -EG - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 21:23:42 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Ducklovers Anonymous Emily Griskavich wrote: > "Lord love a duck" was one of her favorite expressions. > common English expression.... > >-EG - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: more on FCC (njc) pc This is about the deregulation of the media again. Sorry that I'm harping on this. If you want to contact the U.S. Senate Committe on Commerce, Science, & Transportation (they deal with communications issues), the URL is: http://commerce.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm I sent it to General Inquiries instead of the Webmaster. again, sorry for the interruption, but I just can't stand that we'll be fed only what the powers that be want us to know (yeah it's already happening). We'll also be wallowing in Britney Spears. Joni and other talented artists will be nowhere in sight. lots of love Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: more on FCC (njc) pc oh Anne, I wish I could but I really cant. argh. Id like to think that people like you will be my voice for me.thanks for posting this. I agree, it is very , very important and relevant to this list. magscanadienne. anne@sandstrom.com wrote:This is about the deregulation of the media again. Sorry that I'm harping on this. If you want to contact the U.S. Senate Committe on Commerce, Science, & Transportation (they deal with communications issues), the URL is: http://commerce.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm I sent it to General Inquiries instead of the Webmaster. again, sorry for the interruption, but I just can't stand that we'll be fed only what the powers that be want us to know (yeah it's already happening). We'll also be wallowing in Britney Spears. Joni and other talented artists will be nowhere in sight. lots of love Anne You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:37:30 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: more on FCC (njc) pc I sent letters to both of my congresspersons (congresspeople?) today. The website Anne gave before http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/?id=1344-1809547-6q2osfB89FQEn9pan8kZOA has a sample letter that you can copy, paste, and mutilate to your own specifications. Sidenote: it is illegal to pronounce FCC as a word on the radio ; ) RR anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > This is about the deregulation of the media again. > Sorry that I'm harping on this. If you want to contact > the U.S. Senate Committe on Commerce, Science, & > Transportation (they deal with communications issues), > the URL is: > > http://commerce.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm > > I sent it to General Inquiries instead of the Webmaster. > > again, sorry for the interruption, but I just can't > stand that we'll be fed only what the powers that be > want us to know (yeah it's already happening). We'll > also be wallowing in Britney Spears. Joni and other > talented artists will be nowhere in sight. > > lots of love > Anne - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:17:56 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: ducklover, poopjuice, and NJC - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emily Griskavich" To: Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Ducklovers Anonymous > Once upon a time, when I was in eighth grade, we had two elementary schoolers riding our middle and high school bus. They were my friend Victor's brothers, in fourth and first grades. Victor's guy friends were always teaching the first grader bad words without teaching him what they meant. One day, they taught him f**k, and he started sing-chanting "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k a duck, f**k, f**k..." > > I also had an adjunct professor last year who worked a day job as a high school teacher. Since she couldn't swear in front of her high schoolers, "Lord love a duck" was one of her favorite expressions. > > -EG - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 02:09:22 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 10 On May 10 the following item was published: 2000: "Old-Fashioned Love Songs" - Los Angeles Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=512 - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #278 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:01:10 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] May 10th!!! njc do you mean they got engaged or married? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:05:41 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] May 10th!!! njc they r married.......tied the knot! In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:33:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: U.S. political, media content (njc) pc thank you anne for bringing this up...i've cast my vote & its as easy to do by following the link & clicking your opposition... i hate to revive the old political debate here when things have been so light & fun...but i am so concerned about what is happening to our country in such a very short time...we are rapidly on the road to becoming a fascist government & i know many people who consider themselves centrist in their political views to believe the same... this media ruling would take us one step closer to that, imo... >I feel very strongly about this and hope some of you do too. As I said in an email a while back, the U.S. FCC (Federal Communications Commission) is considering further deregulation of the media. This will create a media cartel, with all news controlled by a handful of large companies. The deadline is June 2, 2003. http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/?id=1344-1809547-6q2osfB89FQEn9pan8kZOA< www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 23:01:57 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2003 #157 In a message dated 5/10/03 3:00:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Bob Muller wrote > Christine "OHMIGOD THIS WOMAN CAN SING" Collister - Same Situation, Shades > of Scarlett Conquering (and besides sounding superb, she picks songs that > NOBODY else does...love it) > > Bob Interesting. When THOSL came out (yes, it was the first Joni record i did not like - until 25 years later - geesh). I did like Shades of Scarlet Conquering, but felt it was too much like Same Situation to be rated in the same class as its predecessor. Joni, to her great credit, kept things fresh over her career, by and large - with only the occasional 'repeated theme' - either musically or lyrically. Very few others have been able to do that. Speaking of that, which came first - Little Green, or The Circle Game ? Bobsart ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #279 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)