From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #260 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 260 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Anzac Day NJC ["mike pritchard" ] This fest thing ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? [Murphy] Re: This fest thing ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? - njc ["Lori Fye" ] mercury retrograde (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] thanks njc [colin ] Re: mercury retrograde (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] free chickens (njc) ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: This fest thing ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: This fest thing [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: mercury retrograde (njc) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: thanks njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: This fest thing [Susan Guzzi ] Re: (NJC) Joni/James Perma-Vine #1 Recipients [FMYFL@aol.com] Crosby, Guinnevere, and Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Norah - njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: The Positive Side of Life , njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: City Slicker njc ["mack watson-bush" ] gladys knight njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Introducing... me ["Ira Brodsky" ] Re: free chickens (njc) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? [FMYFL@] Re: njc movie reviews [vince ] njc rap over the edge [vince ] While we're on film reviews... njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? [magsn] RE: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? ["patrick leader" ] RE: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F] RE: Jonifest! ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] april 22 (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? ["hell" ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? ["Maggi] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:14:47 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Anzac Day NJC Happy Anzac day to Hell, and anyone else 'down under', mike in barcelona NP Woodstock - JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:56:33 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: This fest thing OK, AShara you win, Ok Chris Marshall you win, Ok Suze, Ok Mags, Ok Lori, OK WALLY, OK eveyone who has raved about it.... Bugger the overdraft I am coming YEEEEEE HAAAAA isn't it lovely when you make a decision and hang the consequences! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:35:09 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Alison asks: << this year, we'll make him pay us for piggy back rides...are you in smurph??? >> I am in for the Jonifest, but I am not sure I want Jimmy on my back *again* this year. Plus, he'll probably be all diva-ish because of this year's water ballet extravaganza. I think it's a salute to eggs, or something like that . . . See you all soon! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:09:57 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: This fest thing > Bugger the overdraft I am coming > > YEEEEEE HAAAAA isn't it lovely when you make a decision and hang the > consequences! WOO HOO, LUCY!!!!! Yes! It is lovely!!!! Lori http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/rocknrollin.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:15:11 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? - njc > I think it's a salute to eggs, or something like that . I expect it will receive a standing OVAtion. Lori http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/rocknrollin.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:31:27 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: This fest thing LUCY! You won't regret this decision. As for the rest of you fence sitters, what are you waiting for? I can't think of a better thing to do on my summer vacation! Take the time to check out the website info, then take the plunge. Suze n.p. Elvis Costello, "Punch the Clock" - -- On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:56:33 Lucy Hone wrote: >OK, AShara you win, Ok Chris Marshall you win, Ok Suze, Ok Mags, Ok Lori, OK >WALLY, OK eveyone who has raved about it.... > >Bugger the overdraft I am coming > >YEEEEEE HAAAAA isn't it lovely when you make a decision and hang the >consequences! > >Lucy > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:32:03 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: mercury retrograde (njc) Yes Wally, I have heard of mercury retrograde. . . I have heard that during this period plans are made and are then forgotten, promises are not followed through on. . . intentions do not go very far. . . maybe it is better to hold off starting and implementing certain ventures until May 20. If you feel the waters getting muddy, this could be what this is all about. I didn't used to believe any of this, I questioned it all. . . but then I found a friend who is a very good astrologer (her name is Twilight) and she led me to believe that there is something to astology. I had my chart done by her and another very good astrologer. Things they told me were remarkable. You can't just go by the information that you read in the paper when you look up your sun sign. It is more than that. Anyway, if I can wait until May 20 to refinance my house, and maybe purchase some land, perhaps it will be a good thing. . .. or maybe interest rates will go up by then and I will wish I hadn't waited. Who knows? What am I to do? Thanks for the info Wally. Marianne >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:32:35 -0300 >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Subject: astrology news njc >on april 26 mercury will turn retrograde AGAIN, this time until may 20. you >know what that means. make back-up copies of everything, don't >sign any >contracts, keep track of small but important things such as keys and >appointment books, be extra careful with what you say and how you say >it >because static is in the air and be ready for annoying delays. >on the other hand, this period is propitious for revisiting old issues, >re-negotiating agreements made in the past and calling your >grandmother if you haven't spoken to her in ages (provided she's >still alive, of course). >for more information on mecury retrograde and its effects on your >sign go to >http://www.astrologyzone.com/ and click on your sign. >non-believers: disregard message. >wally _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:43:29 +0100 From: colin Subject: thanks njc thanks everyone for your emails. i cannot answer them all. i am not supposed to be on this pc at all:-) bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:52:36 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: mercury retrograde (njc) > maybe it is better to hold off starting and implementing certain > ventures until May 20. Except for ... www.jonifest.com!! Lori, who promises to stop pestering for the rest of the day http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/rocknrollin.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:01:34 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: free chickens (njc) >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:14:35 -0700 >From: "Lori Fye" >Subject: Re: City Slickers, NJC > Ashara wrote: > Organic eggs are predominately from hens who are "free-range" (to > make sure they are free range, check the packaging), in other words > they run around the farms instead of being cooped up in a >cage,never > to see the light of day. >Last May, Mary and I visited a long-time friend of hers who lives >north >of Seattle. Fran has about 12 acres upon which she boards and >raises a >variety of animals, including about a dozen exotic hens and a couple >of >exotic roosters. They are all different and some of the most >beautiful >birds I've ever seen. They're free range and fed organic grains, >and they seem to be very, very happy. The chickens lay eggs that >Fran sells, and she says the eggs are all sorts of colors. >I also try to buy organic -- and free range -- whenever possible. >Lori Yes, I try to buy free range chicken's eggs too. . .I bought some yesterday at our local natural food store. . . When I buy the commercial ones I feel bad because I know I am contributing to the suffering and mistreatment of chickens who live under very cruel conditions. . . Yes, when I go to a restaurant for breakfast, I order eggs (Non-free range). . .and yes I feel guilty. . . I guess I feel part of the problem. . . Actually, I very much feel part of the problem. . . so I try not to think about it. . . denial allows for so much. . . . Anyway as I write this, I realize that I can do better. . . Perhaps one trip to a chicken farm that shows the severe inhumane conditions these chickens "live" under would be a good reminder. I try not to live with this LACk of imagination. . . I also have asked the grocer, at the natural foods store, about what they do to the chickens after they stop producing eggs. . . One farmer assured me that they do not kill them. . . but I am assuming many do. Yeah, I think about all these things. . . . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:21:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: This fest thing oh yes yes yesyesyes!!!!!!!!! the hone woman is IN! major win to the cause! wally, sounding like mercedes mccambridge today because of change-of-season allergy thus unable to shriek properly. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lucy Hone Enviado el: Viernes, 25 de Abril de 2003 09:57 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: This fest thing OK, AShara you win, Ok Chris Marshall you win, Ok Suze, Ok Mags, Ok Lori, OK WALLY, OK eveyone who has raved about it.... Bugger the overdraft I am coming YEEEEEE HAAAAA isn't it lovely when you make a decision and hang the consequences! Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:34:19 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: This fest thing In a message dated 4/25/03 10:32:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, suze_1@lycos.com writes: > . As for the rest of you fence sitters, what are you waiting for? I have tickets to a Bruce concert on the 8th in Philly, that's why I'm sitting on the fence?!? that and money.... rosie, torn in nj NP: Ani...Untouchable face In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: mercury retrograde (njc) Hey Mariannne! I just have to ask who the hell names their kid "Twilight" ... some OLD hippies - oops - uh nevermind! Anyway if you feel comfortable with your analysis of of your horoscope then let me tell you to go ahead and wait till may 20th. Interest rates are so low, that even if they went up a quarter or half a point - you are still in a winning situation. And we are less than a month away - however we do have that shrub in the whitehouse but even still you should be okay Mar. Thanks you this has been brought to you by your Jerry Ruben Financial hotline. Peace, Susan - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Yes Wally, > > I have heard of mercury retrograde. . . I have heard that during this period > plans are made and are then forgotten, promises are not followed through on. > . . intentions do not go very far. . . > > maybe it is better to hold off starting and implementing certain ventures > until May 20. > > If you feel the waters getting muddy, this could be what this is all about. > > I didn't used to believe any of this, I questioned it all. . . but then I > found a friend who is a very good astrologer (her name is Twilight) and she > led me to believe that there is something to astology. > > I had my chart done by her and another very good astrologer. > Things they told me were remarkable. > > You can't just go by the information that you read in the paper when you > look up your sun sign. It is more than that. > > Anyway, if I can wait until May 20 to refinance my house, and maybe purchase > some land, perhaps it will be a good thing. . .. > > or maybe interest rates will go up by then and I will wish I hadn't waited. > Who knows? > > > What am I to do? > > > > Thanks for the info Wally. > > Marianne > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:32:35 -0300 > >From: "Wally Kairuz" > >Subject: astrology news njc > > >on april 26 mercury will turn retrograde AGAIN, this time until may 20. you > >know what that means. make back-up copies of everything, don't >sign any > >contracts, keep track of small but important things such as keys and > >appointment books, be extra careful with what you say and how you say >it > >because static is in the air and be ready for annoying delays. > >on the other hand, this period is propitious for revisiting old issues, > >re-negotiating agreements made in the past and calling your > >grandmother if you haven't spoken to her in ages (provided she's > >still alive, of course). > >for more information on mecury retrograde and its effects on your > >sign go to > >http://www.astrologyzone.com/ and click on your sign. > >non-believers: disregard message. > >wally > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:37:52 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: thanks njc Colin... good idea...stay off the PC and those knitting needles....hot and cold packs for u and plenty of fexeril and anti-inflamitories....with food in tummy, as they cause ulcers...it's a double-edged sword my friend. rosie, sending healing prayers In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: This fest thing OH Damn it! I was just kidding Lucy! Are you REALLY gonna come all they WAY over here? YIPPEEEEEEEEEEE! I am doing cartwheels at me desk - Amazing since I've never been able to do one before! How freaking great it will be to see you -well I have seen you already and heard you but now I can actually get one of those hugs from you! Oh and one more thing - you may have to refrain from calling me Suze on the big list - since Suze Cameron is here as well & we never know which Suze is IT! LOL! Anyway, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, you have made the right decision, ...now the rest of you procrastinators ... get on it! We haven't even told you all about the secret rituals and things that go on we do not discuss here - if you want to be privvy to that info get yourself back to the garden! Peace, Susan --- Lucy Hone wrote: > OK, AShara you win, Ok Chris Marshall you win, Ok Suze, Ok Mags, Ok Lori, OK > WALLY, OK eveyone who has raved about it.... The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:53:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni/James Perma-Vine #1 Recipients In a message dated 4/25/2003 1:32:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CDTraderJohn@aol.com writes: > > Laura Oppermann est86mlm@ameritech.net Illinois > Laura the coupon queen? We've missed all your great tips and bargains. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:34:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Crosby, Guinnevere, and Joni mia>>I saw Crosby perform "Guinnevere" a couple of years ago, and I tell ya, that man's voice just keeps getting better with age!<< i agree, i too have seen him peform this song as a stand alone & it was simpley stunning... www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:16:45 -0400 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Norah - njc Well I thought I had lucked out by scoring Norah Jones tickets. They just announced her opening act: Gillian Welch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lucky Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:21:47 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: The Positive Side of Life , njc I usually dispose of this kind of business immediately Laurent but liked this so much I sent it on to all my contacts. Thanks, Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:32:47 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: City Slickers njc Tamsin shared: got two hens - they are wonderful - I was lying in the garden in a hammock > listening to their little clucking noises - really lovely and relaxing. Yes they are. As a teenager my room was at the back of the house. Outside my window was an elm tree under which the hens liked to relax on hot summer days. Afternoons when the Texas sun beat down and brought heat that seemed to almost take the breath away they would gather there, under that tree, and dig holes in which to sit and relax. Shimmying about they would throw the dirt up and around and throughout their feathers and coo to one another, cluck softly, and talk. At times the rooster was allowed into the club but usually not. I would sit and listen to them as I dreamed upon my bed and thought of faraway places and where I would go when I grew up. Always the grass is greener was inside my mind. Those days are far away now but what would I not give to relive just one when family was fine, happy, healthy and the future bright. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:37:18 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: City Slicker njc Martin wrote: > keep coming up with the eggs no matter what. I've never stopped to think > what a strange thing that is though. To watch a hen sit and, for a short time, be immobilized as she passes that egg from her body into the nest is truly miraculous. They are moist, warm, and fresh. I will stop now for I am truly enamored with the chicken as odd as it sounds and never truly happy unless there are some in the yard. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:39:54 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: gladys knight njc So excited so have to share. Have bought a ticket to see the incomparable Gladys in Milwaukee in a couple of weeks. For someone that has been concert deprived I am really happy and no one here seems to realize just how lucky I am. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:41:09 -0500 From: "Ira Brodsky" Subject: Introducing... me Hello, I just signed up and am interested in the recent "perma-vine" offer. But I have a beginner's question: my PC has two CD drives, one of them rewritable. Is that all I need to burn music CDs, or is there some special software? About me... I grew up in the sixties surrounded by patio rock bands, but in the last few years I've become intensely interested in classical music. In fact, I pretty much announced to family and friends over the past year that I no longer have time or interest in pop music. Then I saw the American Masters segment on Joni and was fascinated. (To save face, I'm thinking of just declaring Joni's music "classical.") What I admire most about Joni is her lyrics. I'm a professional writer, but so far I've written almost exclusively about technology, and more recently politics. I'd like to write lyrics if for no other reason than to round out my style. Ira Brodsky Chesterfield, Missouri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:23:22 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: free chickens (njc) Marianne writes: << Actually, I very much feel part of the problem. . . so I try not to think about it. . . denial allows for so much. . . . Anyway as I write this, I realize that I can do better. . . Perhaps one trip to a chicken farm that shows the severe inhumane conditions these chickens "live" under would be a good reminder. I try not to live with this LACk of imagination. . . >> You're absolutely right about denial, Marianne - my personal belief is that, in a sense, the whole meat industry is founded on denial. I know that sounds like a proselytising comment, and it isn't meant to be; it's just that a certain emotional distancing from the grim realities of the slaughterhouse (especially the bigger, automated ones) seems to be necessary. I've read a number of accounts of people who've visited abbatoirs and never eaten a morsel of meat again. I know one of these people very well, my Uncle Gerry, who went on such a visit as a teenager, over 50 years ago, and has been completely abstinent ever since. Enough of that now - except to add my agreement to whomever it was who wrote about the sound healthy, happy chickens make: it's a delightful, gentle, soothing cluck, far from the caricatured squawk I'd imagined. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:31:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Sorry for the lack of the NJC tag, but I also would like to encourage more listers to attend Jonifest. This will be my 5th Jonifest, and I can't express enough to everyone what a wonderful experience it is. My first one (which was really Pazfest), I was so scared to travel and meet people whom I'd only known through cyberspace. My friends and family thought "What the hell are you doing?"...........but it was a chance that I just had to take, and I'm a very routine person and never would do something like this. Well, it was the best decision I ever made. Not only did I meet people that I had corresponded with on the computer, but I met people that had never even posted. I think we all know by now that people who love Joni Mitchell and her music are good and caring people. It's true, and I enjoyed meeting everyone. If you're on the fence about going because you don't sing or play an instrument.........not to worry. There are plenty of us that can't sing a note (especially ME). Sure I love listening to the great musical talent that's on the list, but I mostly attend to talk, laugh, eat, and PARTY with new and old listers. I was even a little hesitant about my 4th Jonifest last year, since the living quarters would be in cabins and inns. I'm a real princess, and my idea of camping is a large motor home parked outside my house. The Full Moon might be a little rustic, but it's CLEAN and is set in one of the most beautiful areas in the country. It's so tranquil. You can make Jonifest a nonstop party, or you can read a book by a beautiful stream. You can make the short drive to the town of Woodstock and visit some really cool shops. This past year I took my partner (Ed). He's more of a wimp in the wilderness than I am. He's not even that much into Joni's music, but he had a great time meeting and partying with everyone. So if you're still a little nervous about driving or flying to the Catskills by yourself, bring your spouse, partner, or good friend. You won't regret it. Like I said, Jonifest is what you make of it,................ but no matter what, you will always be welcomed with several open arms. Oh, and Allison and Julius bring my favorite champagne "Veuve Cliquot" mmmmmm. Yall show up! You get to hear some GREAT accents too! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:23:33 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc movie reviews Our JMDLer in Manila wrote: jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: >The Hollywood version of _The Ring_ is not really a bad film > I disagree... I think it was a poor film. It lost me at the opening moments when 4 kids from the same high school died on the same night in 3 locations and no one noticed that coincidence right off - it had to be discovered - give me a break. And no one gets institutionalized that fast. I did watch all the deleted things and thought they helped make much more sense of the story but it shouldn't take 3 hours film time to get a simple story across. > especially >when you haven't watched the original Japanese films it was based on. I >watched the three _Ring_ movies and the Hollywood version was able to show >parts of _Ring 2_ and _Ring 0_ to best effect. > Oh? Oh? There are more Japanese Ring films out there other than Ringo? I want them now! The Ring's concept was so good and done so wrong that I did get Ringu the next day and I watched that - and I loved it! Much, much, much, much, more believable (other than the doing the bucket by bucket emptying the well thing), far more engrossing (and since I knew the plot from the Ring, the fact that Ringo engrossed me is way to its credit). If you can get American playable dvds of the all three Japanese Ring films I want them - let me know what they cost. I also thought the ending of The Ring was immoral in every ethical way. I hated it. However, the ending of Ringu - so similar, yet with the moral thought there and that made all the difference for me with the ending. I was cheering for our heroine when she figured out the key... if I do this... and they do that... every 7 days.... the Japanese version of the ending was so right, and the American one, so immoral. >One of the attractions of _Ringu_ is that nobody has heard of these >Japanese actors before plus the allure of something foreign really can >raise the scare quotient a notch higher. But I agree, this film is >certainly better than _The Ring_ starring Naomi Watts (soon to be seen in >the Merchant-Ivory film _Le Divorce_), and although I don't want to spoil >your enjoyment of this film, the things that scared me the most were not >the ones involving televisions but ordinary pictures that looked scarier >because of what it tried to convey. > Agreed! >> >> >Philip Noyce's _Rabbit >Proof Fence_ will anger you, or will assail you, or touch you deeply. >There's just no middle ground. One thinks about cruelties all the time but >the perpetuation of something inhuman under the name of nationhood as >shown in the film really almost made me cry. > I was so outraged that anyone would suggest that white European views of the world are not right and how they meddle in people's lives is wrong headed. Indeed! I suppose next you will be suggesting that white Europeans descendants cannot pick the governments of other nations. Actually, it was an extraordinarily moving film. I had no idea what it was when I rented it, just that you had mentioned it. I am so glad that I saw that. I knew nothing about that aspect of history and when the two women came on at the end I was crying. That was such a perfectly done movie - it got so many little details right (I loved the touch of having the kids singing that song from the American ante-bellum era - and then singing All Things Bright and Beautiful in church - what divine irony!) That was one of the best movies I have ever seen and moved me in ways that The Fast Runner never did, or that very few movies ever have. > >You've got to watch _Far From Heaven_, >Julianne Moore is a master of subtlety and here, > that was her most understated performance that I have ever seen and I love her work. She underplayed it all the way through which prevented it from being parody and making her character very real. The last thing I was expecting was a movie on American race relations and that scene of the Magnatech party where the guests are saying there are no blacks in Hartford, in front of the wait staff, was so exquisitely understated and thus more powerful in its reality in portraying racism - people just don't see - and then contrasting that to the scenes of where someone "is the only one" where it was very visible - For Julianne Moore's character, I was reminded of the Sissy Spacek character in The Long Walk Home - a person who grows out of a basic good heart in the face of circumstances that they never expected. And the scene when Dennis Quaid tells his wife "I have fallen in love with some one, I can't explain it how I feel..." tore my heart apart because it might well have been a video replay of a conversation I once had with my ex-wife. It was so real to life - maybe because it resonated with exactly how my situation came down that day - >But indie queen Patricia Clarkson is the one to watch here. > Her character was as you say, >>The Crime of Padre Amaro - because I want to see more Mexican films >> >> > >I don't know how you will react to this film considering your vocation is >being examined here, Vince. > Joseph, don't you know me yet? I loved it! >When I watched this film here in Manila, half >of the people clapped in the end and the other half were angry at the >portrayal of Catholic priests and the whole ideological framework R. >catholicism represented. The Philippines is 90% Roman Catholic and I can >quite understand the uneasiness some felt when something so holy was given >a treatment so irreverent and iconoclastic. > The things they did were exactly as it is. I have been to clergy gatherings, I know those people, and I know church people and the things they do. And one of my best friends is Mexican and he keeps me filled in on the political situation there which enhanced my viewing - scene after scene was just perfect - that the narcos were laundering money through the church project was so real (and using the Confessional as the way to pass the money was a great touch!), the conflict between liberation theology and the reality of the church bureaucracy - so many scenes were so right on. When the mayor says "I work for the people" and every cracked up... but granted that I am love with Gael Garcia Bernal, that scene where he drops the doey-eyed young priest routine (and that was once me, so innocent and without guile...) and fires the sacristan - I knew then he'd make bishop some day! That exact combination of playing the role of naof and then stabbing someone in the heart - that is so true to the clergy. Whoever wrote that script knows something about how clergy work. The last scene - of the total unironic confession of sins prior to Eucharist - I don't care what I have done, I am a priest and I never need to reflect on anything when I am playing priest to the crowd - hey, that is more real than anyone knows. The fact that the only person disgusted with the utter hypocrisy was the most corrupt person there - also very true to the church. I could go on, but the church stuff was exactly right. >I didn't quite like the film, >not because of its topic (any opportunity to critically examine >Catholicism for me is always welcome... but because it was not done well, dammit. Here's the perfect >opportunity to give a realistic picture of the abuses of the men in cloth >and justify why those things have to happen, but the film just didn't >convey that well. > I saw that differently, I thought they conveyed it well, but that could be from my inside perspective, I might have been looking at it through my particular experience as one of them. Every clergy in the movie had their blind side, their fault, as well as their good side. And the laity - the aptly named Dionesia, the love/priest struck young girl - the fawning laity - it was all very real to me. But I agree that this movie lacked something. I have seen it criticized as a soap opera, I didn't feel that, but it lacked something that I can't yet identify. > Other than the controversial topic it delved in, I was >quite surprised it was nominated for the Best Foreign Language Film in the >Oscar. > And given my unrequited love for Y Tu Mama Tambien, having seen both, I share that continued surprise. But if these two movies represent what is happening in Mexican cinema, then screw Hollywood because someone is doing it much, much better. Both films approached things - I'd even call it truth - that no American film ever would. Hollywood did Elmer Gantry all right, but The Crimes of Padre Amaro gave us a whole array of things that need be exposed. >But then let us remind ourselves that _LIfe Is Beautiful_ won in >1997 over _Central Station_. > I hated Life is Beautiful, don't get me started. I have seen 10 dvds in the last 3 days (turns out I have bronchitis) and the ones that I enjoyed most were Japanese, Mexican, Australian, and only one American film... when I was renting them, the clerk kept saying, "you know this has subtitles?" I told her I wanted to see good movies, not American movies. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:41:15 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc rap over the edge I have gone over the edge, I made a special trip to the store to get 50"s new DVD (with bonus cd!) and picked up Missy Elliot (her new cd, not her in person) while I was there - I love rap and I can't stop! And that I will see Eminem, Missy Elliot, and 50" all in one concert this summer is like the most perfect concert anticipation... I need Joni to go on tour damn quick! Vince NPIMH: 50"s Many Men "Lord I don't cry no more don't look to the sky no more Have mercy on me have mercy on my soul Somewhere my heart turned cold..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:12:00 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: While we're on film reviews... njc Did anyone out there see "Together"? A lovely, warm film about a hippy commune in Sweden in the 70s, which resisted what must have been a big temptation to score cheap laughs at the expense of its naive characters. It was the sort of film that makes you glad to be human. Well, to borrow the memorable strapline from The War of the Roses, Lukas Moodysson's new film, Lilya 4-Ever, is not that film. There have been a few films recently discussed on the list that portray the seamier side of humanity, but none has been so devastatingly bleak as this one. It's about a spirited girl of 15 or 16 living in a soul-destroyingly drab Russian town, and how she's left to cope as best she can after her mother's sudden departure for America, leaving her for all practical purposes an orphan. Her only true friend is a boy of 13 or so who has been similarly cast out. Life is not going to be easy from here on. I won't say too much about it, as most of the reviews I've seen give away FAR too much of the story (grrr! That's the most unforgivable crime a film critic can commit), in fact I've just deleted a sentence of how the story unfolds! It is an immensely powerful film told with a controlled rage at the horrors that are visited on too many young people around the world. I was in tears at the end. This is one of the least ingratiating films I have ever seen, and has a quite wonderful central performance from the young woman who plays Lilya. See it, but don't expect to feel good afterwards. Azeem in London NP: Robin Holcomb's first album, sounding magnificent and fresh, 13 years on. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Skatin' Jimmy wrote: <<>> I love your post Jimmy, it sums up so much of what I wanted to say but could not find the words. I especially love the above line ... Jonifest is what you make it. It is YOUR fest and every single one of us brings something unique to the table which is why Fest is such an incredible time. And Jimmy's right, you don't 'have' to sing if you arent into that. The performers need us as the audience ! !!!! zen Mags ;-) You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:33:00 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? hey, i just wanted to comment on a few people on this list, whose names might not be familiar. the overall point, which jimmy has made, is now that jonifest is in a rustic resort rather than ashara's house, significant others are more than welcome, and you know what, they have a gas! Barbara Hindley is Chuck Eisenhardt's wife, and she and I have always bonded at events around prior jonifests (like atty may's) and on random boston visits. i went up to boston in december to have dinner with ric, roberto, ashara, maggie, chuck and barbara, and smurph, and i completely twisted barb's arm to come. and maggie got on the phone and asked Alex Krutsky, her husband, if he was in again. he is! i know for sure he had a better time last year than he EVER expected. one thing to look forward to: i will definitely be into getting people together for another adirondack wilderness hike. the one on sunday last year, with only five of us (on the sunday after i stayed up until 6 am and awoke at 9:30!) was wonderful. also, a little birdy tells me there's going to be a show tune singalong/workshop. sing out, june! i'll be debuting my sebastian bach-inspired version of 'damned for all time' (not) lots of other exciting names on this list, who i can't wait to see again or meet (yeay lucy hone!), but i wanted to mention one. barbara little doesn't post much, but we had a little bonding moment during bryan thomas' amazing saturday night set. then at the song circle later that night, she blew me and everyone away with a stunning, bluesy version of, if memory serves, 'to know him is to love him'. i mean, blew us away, as she did again on sunday with 'love me like a man'. i could go back and look at posts from last year, but i think those are the songs. you guys don't know what you're in for, if you've never done a jonifest before. i'm one of the people who has been to nearly the most joni-gatherings, including julie z. webb's house party in april 98 and all five asharajonifests since. once it became clear that they might happen consistently, i started thinking, after each one, 'well, i had a blast but maybe i've gone to this well of happiness enough. this should probably be my last.' every year i thought that, and i didn't commit to last year until very, very late, causing ashara much grief and inconvenience i'm sure. last year was the first year that a fest ended and i had NO DOUBT AT ALL that i would be back. i'll be there for 4 1/2 days this time (and none of this crazy 7 am bus out on monday shite either!) come! patrick np - big yellow taxi, a tribute album by christina friis-nielsen and henning olson, fabulous attendees at jonifest '02 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: RE: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? last year was the first year that a fest ended and i had NO DOUBT AT ALL that i would be back. Boy do I know what you mean Patrick...I left last year saying to myself, damn, now I have to explain to my husband why I have to go to jonifest every year. Luckily he understands completely. It's good for the soul. I second your comments on Barbara - hoping she'll bring her blues to the stage this year. A note to the painfully shy - if the thought of spending several days and nights with a bunch of "strangers" makes you wanna hightail in the other direction, don't let that stop you from coming. There isn't a more welcoming group of people in the world. Jenny "Now I used to think that I was cool running around on fossil fuel, until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin..." JT The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:04:44 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: Nina Simone on WBUR NJC Hi everyone, I'm working late and just got speakers for my computer (welcome to the 21st century, right?)...anyway, I know there were on-line conversations about Nina Simone on the list, so I just wanted to pass along that WBUR - 90.9 and streaming on the web at WBUR.org is about to start a one-hour show on her. Right now there is top-of-the-hour news, but then it will be a show called "On Point" - as an NPR news station, the shows are usually good. Be well. Maggie McNally NP: WBUR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:19:26 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: RE: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Ashara wrote: > please > get your deposits, checks, forms, in to me as soon as possible. As you can > see, there are only 37 names on this list. According to the contract that I > signed with Full Moon, I have to pay them for 60 people, whether 60 show up > or not. If this number isn't met, I will have to pay out of my own pocket. > Trust me, that will not make me happy, and it will mean the end of Jonifest. Hi! you dears searchers for beauty! saturday again, all work's done, "mientras ellas duermen"... OMG, how I'd love to fly with my family (Margarita, Clara, Sara and Kity: a loving caniche-toy) OVA the ocean to 2003 JONIFEST! I always think Catskills is, for sure!, a nice place to go, and plus... That wonderful reunion consacrated to beloved Joni Mitchell 's art! Magnificient Ashara, your plan seems royal tasteful. I guess that, Naturally, many of the Wondrous JMDLers do their share, specially good Massachusetts people! In case I wont't be able to be this summer at Full Moon Resort, I'd like to do a money donation to help solve that reservations's problem (but I'll wait for extra pay ;-) Really: what friends are for? The everpleasant fun I get through all you, the deep looks inside our SIQUOMB you wrote! (no need to mention the music offerings: Thank you Catherine, it will be an everlasting honour to receive a parcel from Toronto in these hard times! ) let me quote brave Wally: > ...last year was one of the saddest years in my life. in one of those bouts in > which my country periodically ceases to exist just before its next economic > boom, i was unable to attend the fest. the sorrow, the utter desperation for > not BEING THERE with all the beautiful people, listening to their great > renditions of joni's songs (or of whatever material that crossed their > minds) and spending time with friends i see only ONCE a year was > devastating. don't let it happen to you. in my case, the collapse of a > country's economy kept me from going (nothing else could have!). most of you > aren't that darned unlucky so what ever could be your excuse NOT to send > your deposits and pledges? clearer: only water! btw, I pray in my atheist anthems (you know them by heart... and by acronyms, too) that good Argentina will wake again! No more hunger, no more desperation! And no more M'endez! (as you see I keep funny superstitions) Emiliano from Galicia NP: The Tenth World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:23:53 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Jonifest! Can't wait to hear the sequel! I'm already there, and I'm planning the raffle, so you had all better come on down!! Maggie Boston/Cambridge, Massachusetts NP: WBUR show on Nina Simone -----Original Message----- From: Susan Guzzi [mailto:groovchacha@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:32 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Jonifest! I too would like to tell you about my Jonifest experience - but I am writing a book on the experience - yes a book full of memories and dreams come true! So you'll have to reserve your copy at AMAZON.COM well of course! Perhaps in the next few weeks I can tempt you with excerpts from MY upcoming book "Guzzi Does The Garden." You've read Anais Nin, Ayn Rand, Virginia Wolf, Erma Bombeck well this is all those rolled into one - or you can WRITE YOUR OWN BOOK! Get thee to the Jonifest! A non Joni song comes to mind as I sit here ..... (remember the Supremes?) Hey Joan look at me I can see the reality 'Cause the fest just shook me, took me, outta my world I woke up Suddenly I just woke up to the Happening! Ahh yes IT truly is a happening girls and boys, so Oh man another song pops into my head What good is sitting all alone in your room come here the music play come to the Jonifest old chums its only a Jonifest my chums and life is a Joniiiiiiiiii feeeessst! It's a freakin LOVE-IN! And you never know when or if or how but what if you didn't come .... and Joni showed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah think about that! Tomorrow a serious little piece on what the fest did for me - IF you all behave and I hear about an increase in reservations! Love to all my fest friends and all those I've yet to meet! Peace, Susan The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 20:45:41 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] april 22 (njc) In a message dated 4/23/03 7:21:50 AM, Murphycopy writes: << Silly BF! Jonifesters only have ambassadors their first year at JF. I was Walt's first and last ambassador, and nothing will ever change that! --Bob >> Yes, my dear, and i will forver be grateful at your patience with me ("What is his/her name again? -- and who is that is 'sceen name'?") -- but at my advanced age, my brains have turned to crap, and I'll still need a nanny and a shake rag -- not to mention at least two ambassadors (I had about 20 or 30 last year, in addition to you, dear smurphy). God bless you all, and many thanks for all the birthday wishes from everyone at jmdl. My typing is still too hit-and-miss to thank you all individually - -- but any day in which real e-mail outnumbers the offers of remortgaging the home i don't own, and offers to variously enhance my southern hemisphere (I thought at first it was my screen name that drew them, but I hear everyone gets them), is a wondrous day indeed!!! love (and more to come, soon, I swear -- yeah, promises, promises...), Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 12:55:28 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Unfortunately, I can't make it to Jonifest this year, due to a severe lack of funds (and it does cost me just a "little" more in travel expenses!), but I SO wish I could! But I'd like to ask a question. Is there anyone who's been to a Jonifest, who wishes they hadn't? No? I thought not! In fact the only bad thing about a Jonifest, is that at some point, you have to leave. In fact, I think it's fair to say that even those who have been apprehensive, have been blown away by the whole experience. There just aren't enough words to describe how great Jonifests are, so if you're sitting on the fence, get your butt off and make the commitment. You definitely won't regret it. Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:04:41 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? OK, are you all convinced, yet? How can you possibly not be looking for pennies under the cushions? Make your plans, fill out your forms and send in your deposits, pack your bags, and come join your community of brothers and sisters who are as diverse as a field full of wildflowers, yet somehow share the common ground of loving the music, words (except for Ashara, of course), tunings, and magic of Joni Mitchell. You have read the testimony from Wally, who has schlepped all the way from Argentina for goodness sake, and Mags who with Brian shared her honeymoon with 68 of us, and Lori who is willing to put up with our cahs pahked in Full Moon Yahd, and Golden Eggs Guzzi who is writing the soon-to-be NYT tell-all bestseller, and Patrick who is going to take us all on a forced march in the mountains (but only if you want to, because unlike the kind of camp you went to as a kid, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do), and the rest of the lot. Now, stop reading and take action. Just say Yes! And while you are saying yes, figure out something wonderful and magical to donate for the raffle/give-away. That's what helps fund the two most important web sites in the world - JoniMitchell.com and JMDL.com. This year the funds are going to JoniMitchell.com, and I'm thrilled to be spearheading - -with my able side-kick husband Alex - the effort. The very first time I got on the internet (December of 1996) I was told to type something in, and so I typed in "Joni Mitchell" and found JM.com. [How many of you have told the very same story? How many people are interested? WE ARE!, and that is why you must, must, must come to JoniFest. Everyone else looks at you like you're crazy or old, but not us. We understand. But, I digress.] So, please, give Ashara peace of mind by making up yours. Then dig a little deeper for the raffle. Then just try to wipe that smile off your face. I dare you. love, Maggie Boston/Cambridge, Massachusetts - -----Original Message----- From: magsnbrei [mailto:magsnbrei@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:33 PM To: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? what everyone said and more. The North East Joni Fest is a life altering most wonderful time and you wont regret it one bit. Songs of joy and peace, new friendships blossom, old friendships deepen...and who knows, you might even find a mate ;-) tis the perfect venue for the celebrating of birthdays as well as honeymoons ;-)))) The Full Moon resort, set in the Catskill Mountains of New York state is exquisite. Truly beauteous. And the staff is fantastic too. And the food and..and and.... :-)))) Music everywhere you turn...you can sing on stage if you want, or you can sing along if you want.,...jam on a porch or the lawn or the steps....attend a workshop or two.......eat delicious meals with your new found family, laugh til your belly aches. you can stay up all night and just keep on going into the light of the next day. The talent in this fine community is incredible. Imagine...high calibre music all around you everywhere you go. My only 'complaint' is that there is never enough time to talk to everyone!!!! Like Wally said, lots of opportunities to help out at the Fest itself in terms of volunteering to do anything from schlepping to setting up the stage..and on and on it goes. The Raffle is fantastic so be sure to dig down deep and bring a long a special something for the Give Away Table and/ or the Raffle. And buy your tickets once you get there!!!!! Maggie and Alex, our wonderful Raffle-ites promise to make this another great year for goodies. The sales of which help Les and Jim to continue their web sites. Because of all of their hard work, we are here. and not to mention all the behind the scenes gnomes, faeries, amazons, firebirds, and on it goes....it takes a village to make such an event happen !!!! Awesome Ashara does a lot of work out of the goodness of her heart, (much more than she will admit to) for all of us because she wants us to have fun, enjoy ourselves together and to continue to celebrate all the good things we've discovered together as a caring, loving, fantastic community. Thanks Ashes!!!! okay enough said for the time being.... how many more sleeps??? oh and btw, I hear there's going to be a zen yoga mistress lurking around the place this year ;-) Mags..... You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - - JM _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Yahoo! 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