From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #259 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 259 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- sisotowbell lane [Wiloboy@aol.com] Re: blue - ink of/on a pin -- NJC [Catherine McKay ] Jonifest! [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? [magsnbrei ] Re: Re: Re: City Slicker njc [hell ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? [Alison] Fw: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni Bootlegs ["Dave" ] Jonifest 2003 Logo Contest Reminder [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] JoniFest and politics? ["Lori Fye" ] Acronyms NJC (The Pointless, Yet Poignant, Crisis of a Co-Ed - Dar Williams) [OzWoman321@ao] Please pardon my plug (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Joni/James Perma-Vine #1 Recipients [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] Today in History: April 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: April 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:08:08 -0400 From: Wiloboy@aol.com Subject: sisotowbell lane I seem to remember someone bringing up Sisotowbell Lane a few weeks ago. This may have been covered already, I came across it in the archives (Interview with Gene Shay, Sept. 68) Joni: "Sisotowbell Lane" means "somehow in spite of trouble ours will be everlasting love." And I just took a thought and then kept working it until the vowels made a nice-sounding word, you know. At that point in her life an everlasting love seemed to be on her mind. In some ways maybe she does share an everlasting love with Nash and Klien??? Lama wrote: "I've thought this chick had a spark 3 decades ago. Now I've thought that about LOTS of songwriters but she keeps framing the spark in different ways and magically, almost every album seems fresh somehow. I almost never catch her using the same trick over again. It's uncanny really." soooo true. That's why we love her. She just keeps push and a push and a push and a pushin on... Did Nyro write that about Joni? ...Anyway it's great for us that she had this need to keep breaking new ground, combining new sounds, pushing it to the limit to see where the music would take her, and in turn take us. Where next Joan? Wil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: blue - ink of/on a pin -- NJC --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Mags asks: > > << the line is as follows: ink OF a pin and it > sounds to us like , and has > always sounded like.... ink ON a pin so which is > it? >> > > I believe Ashara cleared that up a week or so ago. > It's "In Clonapin." I > forget what Clonapin is, though. I think it's either > a suburb in Connecticut > (now THAT'S redundant!), or a 60s-era > antidepressant. There is a drug called Clozapine - so you're close, or is that cloze? (and not to be confused with clothes-pin with an Italian accent either.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Kerry, wasn't it you who said, "JoniFest is like > camp for grown-ups"? Whoever did say it, that's exactly right. It's music camp for big kids. I do not plan to miss it this year (I didn't plan to miss it last year, but them's the breaks.) Catherrrrrine in Torrrronto (aka SARS Central.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:46:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? --- Lori Fye wrote: > > And this is suppose to get me excited? > > Yes, darn it! I don't care if you spend all of your > free time as a > camp counselor, Craig!! Get thee butt to JoniFest > this year!!!!!!! > > : ) Ironic. As a kid, I hated camp the only time I ever went. As an immature but still old person, I'm looking forward to it. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:20:04 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Re: City Slicker njc In one of Jean Auel's novels, (set around 10,000 years ago, about the Cro Magnon people in Northern Europe) she describes how somebody noticed that the fat that dripped from the previous night's spitted carcass had dropped into the embers and congealed with the wood ash. They had got it on their hands by accident. When they tried to wipe it off they found that it cleaned the skin... I suppose it's feasable. Of course, if this was the cheese experimenter, he/she might well have tried to eat the 'soap'. Bleaughh :-! Martin in London. Hell wrote.. > > Continuing this thread..... Who accidentally dropped some wood ashes into > some melted animal fat, left it to congeal, then thought "I'll rub this on > my body - it will make me really clean!" (Soap, in case anyone's > wondering...) > > Hell > ___________________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be great > audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:31:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Jonifest! I too would like to tell you about my Jonifest experience - but I am writing a book on the experience - yes a book full of memories and dreams come true! So you'll have to reserve your copy at AMAZON.COM well of course! Perhaps in the next few weeks I can tempt you with excerpts from MY upcoming book "Guzzi Does The Garden." You've read Anais Nin, Ayn Rand, Virginia Wolf, Erma Bombeck well this is all those rolled into one - or you can WRITE YOUR OWN BOOK! Get thee to the Jonifest! A non Joni song comes to mind as I sit here ..... (remember the Supremes?) Hey Joan look at me I can see the reality 'Cause the fest just shook me, took me, outta my world I woke up Suddenly I just woke up to the Happening! Ahh yes IT truly is a happening girls and boys, so Oh man another song pops into my head What good is sitting all alone in your room come here the music play come to the Jonifest old chums its only a Jonifest my chums and life is a Joniiiiiiiiii feeeessst! It's a freakin LOVE-IN! And you never know when or if or how but what if you didn't come .... and Joni showed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah think about that! Tomorrow a serious little piece on what the fest did for me - IF you all behave and I hear about an increase in reservations! Love to all my fest friends and all those I've yet to meet! Peace, Susan The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? what everyone said and more. The North East Joni Fest is a life altering most wonderful time and you wont regret it one bit. Songs of joy and peace, new friendships blossom, old friendships deepen...and who knows, you might even find a mate ;-) tis the perfect venue for the celebrating of birthdays as well as honeymoons ;-)))) The Full Moon resort, set in the Catskill Mountains of New York state is exquisite. Truly beauteous. And the staff is fantastic too. And the food and..and and.... :-)))) Music everywhere you turn...you can sing on stage if you want, or you can sing along if you want.,...jam on a porch or the lawn or the steps....attend a workshop or two.......eat delicious meals with your new found family, laugh til your belly aches. you can stay up all night and just keep on going into the light of the next day. The talent in this fine community is incredible. Imagine...high calibre music all around you everywhere you go. My only 'complaint' is that there is never enough time to talk to everyone!!!! Like Wally said, lots of opportunities to help out at the Fest itself in terms of volunteering to do anything from schlepping to setting up the stage..and on and on it goes. The Raffle is fantastic so be sure to dig down deep and bring a long a special something for the Give Away Table and/ or the Raffle. And buy your tickets once you get there!!!!! Maggie and Alex, our wonderful Raffle-ites promise to make this another great year for goodies. The sales of which help Les and Jim to continue their web sites. Because of all of their hard work, we are here. and not to mention all the behind the scenes gnomes, faeries, amazons, firebirds, and on it goes....it takes a village to make such an event happen !!!! Awesome Ashara does a lot of work out of the goodness of her heart, (much more than she will admit to) for all of us because she wants us to have fun, enjoy ourselves together and to continue to celebrate all the good things we've discovered together as a caring, loving, fantastic community. ! Thanks Ashes!!!! okay enough said for the time being.... how many more sleeps??? oh and btw, I hear there's going to be a zen yoga mistress lurking around the place this year ;-) Mags..... You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:30:53 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni/Dylan boot somewhere out there I was reading through a list of recent bootleg CDs and came across a live CD of Dylan's Rolling Thunder Revue that contains 3 songs by Joni. The name of the European CD is "A Dark Night on The Spanish Stairs: The Rolling Thunder Revue" Rattlesnake Records RS062/63. This is an audience recording from Augusta, Maine, 11/26/75. Disc one starts off with Joni doing Edith, Coyote, and Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. The rest of the disc is Dylan, also Baez and McQuinn. Here is a web page with a pic of the cover and track listing: http://www.angelfire.com/wa/monicasdude/697.htm Here is an excerpt of a Dylan fan's description: My favorite Rolling Thunder boot (although Satisfied Man, Knight of the Hurricane, and Hold the Fort For What It?s Worth are the only other shows I?ve heard, along with the compilation Acoustic Thunder). Sound quality rates a B, as it?s a bit thin, but it?s clear with good balance and separation, and the right mix of audience (who are attentive and very appreciative). Joni opens with three gems (?I want to lay three new movies on you...it?s like seeing a picture show for the first time,? she says nervously), giving way to Bob and the big band for seven. Apparently Dylan fans have this show for trading. Hopefully sometime it will surface and we can circulate it around. This led me to a description of a different show form the Rolling Thunder tour. There is a NY Times article about it in the jmdl library, but this gives more details, and more about Joni's part: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=joni+mitchell+rolling+thunder+group:rec.music.dylan&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=rec.music.dylan&selm=2985038759.2.p00518%40psilink.com&rnum=8 an excerpt: ...When Bob walked into the Correctional Institution for Women that December [8] afternoon in 1975, Luckily, Roberta Flack had been invited to join the ensemble -- otherwise, they might have touched off a prison riot. The inmates couldn't relate at all to Joni Mitchell's creamy white pastorales. Two minutes into her set, hoots and catcalls sailed up over the makeshift stage, thawing Joni's icy composure. That tomcat face of hers puckered into a wicked sneer. "We came here to give you love," she lectured them. "If you can't handle it, that's your problem." Rob Stoner remembers: "Talk about wrong moves - -- that warmed-over Sixties shit was the worst thing she could have said to them. It was like that chick on _Romper Room_ -- 'Do-Bee says: Respect your visitors!' I mean, you could see guys giving each other looks that said, 'Throw that bitch out here and we'll teach her a thing or two about _clouds_'" It was Allen Ginsberg, of all people, who recaptured the audience's heart. ...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: Re: Re: City Slicker njc Martin wrote: > In one of Jean Auel's novels, (set around 10,000 years ago, about the > Cro Magnon people in Northern Europe) she describes how somebody noticed > that the fat that dripped from the previous night's spitted carcass had > dropped into the embers and congealed with the wood ash. They had got it > on their hands by accident. When they tried to wipe it off they found > that it cleaned the skin... I suppose it's feasable. OK, I'm guilty - that book (Plains of Passage) is actually what made me think of it! But I also thought it was feasible that it was "discovered" that way. I mean, it's really not something that you'd do on purpose, especially considering that the liquid leached from the ashes (lye) is extremely caustic, and not something you'd want to go sticking your hands in! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? yeah, what she said. plus you might find a husband. didn't work for me, though...ashara STOLE mine! hee hee. ;-) seriously, though, i do plan to go this year even though i have been slacking about getting my materials in. i have been waiting to see if its going to conflict with a conference I have to attend this fall. looks at this point like it won't, so i do plan to attend! and i do plan to send in my deposit very soon, ash, I SWEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! everybody go! its worth it just to see the look on people's faces when they hear smurph do ethel! or is it ethel doing smurph? not to mention ed doing bette midler! "harry, get off my back!" plus jimmy won't have a hernia this year! whoo hoo! no more driving the pimpmobile 20 feet to get jimmy up the hill to the room! this year, we'll make him pay us for piggy back rides...are you in smurph??? alison e. in slc. - --- magsnbrei <> wrote: > what everyone said and more. The North East Joni > Fest is a life altering most wonderful time and you > wont regret it one bit. Songs of joy and peace, new > friendships blossom, old friendships deepen...and The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:12:11 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Fw: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:50:08 -0400 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu To: mike pritchard Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC Hi Mike. This is the kind of discucssion about semantics that we do among computer geeks and camera geeks all the time. Yes, you are correct in that I intended to say that "pan" means you keep the movie camera level to the horizon. For example, I intend to say that a movie shot might show the beginning of a stationary railroad train, and during the [pan], it would show each car of the train in succession, ending with the caboose. If you think of a camera on a tripod, there's a column that goes straight down, like the hinge on a door. In physics class in the middle of the USA, we would have said, "In this shot we will turn the camera to the left, rotating it around the *vertical axis*." I am sure we both agree on "pan" and the word "rotate" was the problem. All the best, Lama now playing: The Preservation Hall Jazz Band in early stereo From: mike pritchard Hi Lama, I'm not so sure that 'rotate' is the right term here (emphasis in Lama's text is mine). If we use the face of a clock as the image in the camera viewer, then to 'tilt' would be moving the focus from the number 12 to the number 6, and vice versa. To 'pan' would be to move the focus from 9 to 3 or vice versa, and to 'zoom' would be to close in on one part of the clock, let's say for example the centre where the hands are attached. To 'rotate', as I see it, would be to move the camera lens in such a way that the 12 would be at the bottom of the screen. Sorry to be so picky, but to me 'rotate' suggests a clockwise movement, like the winding of a clock with a key or the rotation of a wheel, rather than a horizontal movement, which I understand to be a pan. mike in bcn NP Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:03:19 -0500 From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Joni Bootlegs I just got this one recently (downloaded from the P2P thing Les set up) and I really enjoy it. So how do I hook up with this P-2-P? "Just when you're thinkin' you've finally got it made Bad news comes knockin' at your garden gate..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When you don't know where you're going, you have to stick together just in case someone gets there." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:13:18 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003 Logo Contest Reminder Only 4 more days to get a logo in, if anyone is interested. Anyone? Anyone? Buller? Anyone? I only have entries from one person so far. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:44:38 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: JoniFest and politics? [We interrupt your regular programming ...] Ashara and I were chatting this afternoon about this year's Fest and about JoniFests in general and we agreed that, unlike the discussion list, political subjects don't seem to come up in conversations at Fests. While I can't speak for everyone, I've attended two Fests (2001 and 2002), and the most political thing I ever heard was Kay and Alison singing "The Fiddle and the Drum" last year. (Which was beautiful - do it again!) I believe everyone is just too busy having fun (and shining like the sun) and singing and laughing it all away at all the impromptu whatevers to think about (let alone discuss) anything too serious or unsettling. It's a chance to "escape" and RELAX, and we do a lot of that at Fest! So, while political topics often generate a lot of "heat" here in cyberspace, if you're concerned that you'll hear a lot of "bunk" about [fill in the blank], forget about that. COME TO JONIFEST!! Lori, whose belly still remembers me laughing until it hurt at "The Ganja Line" - sung to the tune of "The Jungle Line" - oh, you had to be there! So - BE THERE!! [You may now return to normal JMDL discussions, already in progress.] : ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:13:39 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Acronyms NJC (The Pointless, Yet Poignant, Crisis of a Co-Ed - Dar Williams) Hello, All - Bob said: > And speaking of acronyms, I am reading "White Teeth" by Zadie Smith. (I > noticed on PBS last night that it is going to be -- I think -- a miniseries > > beginning May 11.) Anyway, in the book there is a Muslim group called > "Keepers of the Eternal and Victorious Islamic Nation." Whenever the name > is > mentioned, someone always says, "KEVIN?" And the response is always > something > like, "We are aware we have an acronym problem." So of course I think of > you > all . . . > ...which made me think of the following verse from The Pointless, Yet Poignant, Crisis of a Co-Ed by Dar Williams - enjoy! << Well sometimes, life gives us lessons sent in ridiculous packaging, And so I found him in the arms of a Student Against the Treacherous use of Fur, And he gave no apology, he just turned to me, stoned out to the edge of oblivion, He didn't pull up the sheets and I think he even smiled as he said to me, "Well, I guess our dreams went up in smoke." And I said, No, our dreams went up in dreams, you stupid pothead, And another thing, what kind of a name is Students Against the Treacherous Use of Fur? Fur is already dead, and besides, a name like that doesn't make a good acronym. >> :-) Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "And they gave me sticks and rocks and stars and all that I could hold, I had the blessings, a moment of peace even when the night ends..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:56:21 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Please pardon my plug (njc) Dear friends, comrades, and the disaffected: In times like these we need more music, more poetry. Which is why I urge you to replenish your supplies at this splendid event. You'll be glad you did. Chicago Jazz Composers Collective presents: LLOYD BRODNAX KING - Songs of Love and Domesticity and FRED SIMON - Songs Without Their Words Lloyd Brodnax King: flute, voice Fred Simon: piano Jim Gailloreto: saxophone David Onderdonk: guitar Larry Kohut: bass Tom Hipskind: drums Sunday, April 27, 2003 2-4 PM Green Mill, 4802 N. Broadway, Chicago, IL (773) 878-5552 ***WHAT'S SO FUNNY 'BOUT PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING?*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:30:38 EDT From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Joni/James Perma-Vine #1 Recipients Hi all, Well, I've decided to take 8 people (instead of 6) to kick off this first Perma-Vine. The 8 initial recipients should refer to my original announcement for details. I had originally intended to earmark specific discs for certain regions but, since most responses came from the US, I have decided that all discs should be shared worldwide on subsequent offerings. I apologize to those who responded that I could not accommodate on this first leg, but be patient because shortly these 8 individuals will be re-offering this incredible show to 8 others who can burn copies for themselves, and who will then re-offer the original disc to others. Those of you without burners will also have an opportunity to receive a copy of this tremendous show as each recipient will be offering to burn at least one copy for those who are burnerless -- so have faith! The first recipients are: Ken Harvey KJHSF@aol.com Ohio Stu Rutherford stuart.rutherford@hct.ac.ae Abu Dhabi Brian Symes(?) BRIANASYMES@aol.com Oregon Paul Peterson ppeterson4@nyc.rr.com New York Robert Argento robert@argento.se Florida/Sweden Rick Burneson rb.housa@ix.netcom.com California Laura Oppermann est86mlm@ameritech.net Illinois William Burnworth cspringj@earthlink.net Louisiana I will begin mailing these discs within the next day or two. Re-offerings should begin to appear on JMDL within about one week. To avoid confusion, I have posted the Perma-Vine rules below. Enjoy, John in Massachusetts PERMA-VINE RULES: 1) When you receive your Perma-Vine disc you must MAKE COPIES FOR YOURSELF and re-post an offer on JMDL. You will forward the ORIGINAL DISC onto the next recipient (you may NOT keep the original Perma-Vine disc). This method ensures that all participants can get a clean, glitch-free copy of this show directly off the original disc. 2) You must re-post your offer of this vine only to JMDL. If, after two postings within 48 hours, there is no response, you may then, and only then, post the Perma-Vine offer to another group, but you MUST post an announcement to JMDL indicating which group you have transferred this Perma-Vine to. 3) By requesting these Perma-Vine discs, you have agreed to make this show available to those who are unable to burn copies for themselves (and, thus, cannot participate directly in this Perma-Vine). You agree to post an offer(s) on JMDL for at least one burnerless individual as soon as you have forwarded the original Perma-Vine disc onto the next recipient. You may B+P or trade this to as many as you like AFTER you have forwarded the Perma-Vine discs onto the next recipient. 4) You further agree to keep the Perma-Vine disc in your possession no longer than 72 hours before re-offering. 5) Lastly, you agree to ENJOY this music immensely! Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:03:19 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 25 1969: Joni headlined at New York City's Fillmore East, performing two shows at 8 and 11:30 PM. Also on the bill was Taj Mahal. - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:03:19 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 25 On April 25 the following item was published: 2000: "Joni Holliday" - Chicago Maroon (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=502 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #259 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)