From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #258 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 258 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: City Slicker njc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC ["Chris Marshall" ] RE: 'Under the thumb of the maid' now Rebecca (NJC) ["mike pritchard" ] RE: Re: City Slicker njc ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: njc movie reviews [] RE: 'Under the thumb of the maid' now Rebecca (NJC) [] re: City Slickers njc ["Tamsin Lucas" ] Re: 'under the thumb of the maid', now Rebecca NJC ["mike pritchard" >>>>NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: case of u by K williams ["kerry" ] Re: Rebecca NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: City Slicker njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: blue - ink of/on a pin ["chuty001" ] Re: blue - ink of/on a pin -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: blue - ink of/on a pin ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Headphones and chickens UM>>>>>NJC [dsk ] Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? ["Lori Fye" ] Wendy Waldman fans? [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: joni's "nervous breakdown," shamans & acronym problems [dsk ] Re: City Slickers, NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: City slicker - c*ckadoodledoo njc [Randy Remote ] Re: colin (njc) ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: City Slicker njc Hell said... > >Yeah, I guess not. I want to know who first watched a chicken laying an egg and thought, "Wow, I bet THAT tastes good!"<< Martin in London added >>And who ever thought of CHEESE for goodness sake! Leave that milk until it's gone solid with mold, then eat it....mmmmm mouthwatering :)<< And it was a brave (wo)man who first tasted an oyster. mike in bcn (who eats lots of suspicious looking seafood) NPIMH The Oyster Band - Coal not Dole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:12:39 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC >>So, you can take a mono recording of a passing train and "pan" it from right-to-left but it's not gonna sound as real as if you simply record a train in stereo to begin with. DUH! I would bet a week's salary that the name "pan" comes from film. When they 'rotate' the camera it's called a "pan". << Hi Lama, I'm not so sure that 'rotate' is the right term here (emphasis in Lama's text is mine). If we use the face of a clock as the image in the camera viewer, then to 'tilt' would be moving the focus from the number 12 to the number 6, and vice versa. To 'pan' would be to move the focus from 9 to 3 or vice versa, and to 'zoom' would be to close in on one part of the clock, let's say for example the centre where the hands are attached. To 'rotate', as I see it, would be to move the camera lens in such a way that the 12 would be at the bottom of the screen. Sorry to be so picky, but to me 'rotate' suggests a clockwise movement, like the winding of a clock with a key or the rotation of a wheel, rather than a horizontal movement, which I understand to be a pan. mike in bcn NP Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:15:12 -0500 From: David Sadowski Subject: Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC I assume "pan" is short for panorama. mike pritchard wrote: >>>So, you can take a mono recording of a passing train and "pan" it from >>> >>> >right-to-left but it's not gonna sound as real as if you simply record a train >in stereo to begin with. DUH! > >I would bet a week's salary that the name "pan" comes from film. When they >'rotate' the camera it's called a "pan". << > >Hi Lama, >I'm not so sure that 'rotate' is the right term here (emphasis in Lama's text >is mine). If we use the face of a clock as the image in the camera viewer, >then to 'tilt' would be moving the focus from the number 12 to the number 6, >and vice versa. To 'pan' would be to move the focus from 9 to 3 or vice versa, >and to 'zoom' would be to close in on one part of the clock, let's say for >example the centre where the hands are attached. To 'rotate', as I see it, >would be to move the camera lens in such a way that the 12 would be at the >bottom of the screen. Sorry to be so picky, but to me 'rotate' suggests a >clockwise movement, like the winding of a clock with a key or the rotation of >a wheel, rather than a horizontal movement, which I understand to be a pan. >mike in bcn >NP Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:32:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: astrology news njc on april 26 mercury will turn retrograde AGAIN, this time until may 20. you know what that means. make back-up copies of everything, don't sign any contracts, keep track of small but important things such as keys and appointment books, be extra careful with what you say and how you say it because static is in the air and be ready for annoying delays. on the other hand, this period is propitious for revisiting old issues, re-negotiating agreements made in the past and calling your grandmother if you haven't spoken to her in ages (provided she's still alive, of course). for more information on mecury retrograde and its effects on your sign go to http://www.astrologyzone.com/ and click on your sign. non-believers: disregard message. wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:43:17 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! NJC Mike P wrote:- > I'm not so sure that 'rotate' is the right term here > Sorry to be so picky, but to me 'rotate' suggests a > clockwise movement, like the winding of a clock with a key or > the rotation of a wheel, rather than a horizontal movement, > which I understand to be a pan. How about 'swivel'? I can just here the director now... "And.... SWIVEL!" :-) (Technically, I guess rotate *does* work, we just have to consider the plane in which the rotation is taking place...) Back to lurk mode then... - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:52:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: case of u by K williams has anybody listened to a version of case of you by one keller williams? wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:34:48 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: 'Under the thumb of the maid' now Rebecca (NJC) Deb said >> I always read this line quite literally, as someone who feels so powerless they are even pushed around by the hired help. Like Rebecca and Mrs. Danvers.<< Joseph in Manila replied >>Hi Deb: Rebecca never appeared in the (Hitchcock) film nor had speaking lines in Daphne Du Maurier's novel. You must mean Mrs Danvers and Mrs De Winter (who was strangely not given a Christian name).<< now mike says... I seem to recall reading somewhere that the second Mrs De Winter's first name was Charlotte. No more details come to mind. I must read the book again as I don't recall if Rebecca killed herself or whether Max, in fact, killed her. Can anyone save me from reading 400 pages? Maybe the responsibility for her death is treated ambiguously? In another post, Joseph said >>Yep, she did. As much as I like Hitchcock, I like the Du Maurier story more. Same with "Don't Look Now". The story's final scene was so scary, I wonder how they filmed the cinematic version. I should watch that one. Julie Christie is up there in my books.<< This is a very good film, IMHO, and the ending is very well done. The scariest thing though is Donald Sutherland's haircut... mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:38:40 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Re: City Slicker njc Martin wrote: > And who ever thought of CHEESE for goodness sake! Leave that milk until it's > gone solid with mold, then eat it....mmmmm mouthwatering :) Oooh, yeah, and blue cheese where you can actually SEE the mould. Or camembert and brie (which I LOVE) where the inside is so "rotten" it's gone runny! Continuing this thread..... Who accidentally dropped some wood ashes into some melted animal fat, left it to congeal, then thought "I'll rub this on my body - it will make me really clean!" (Soap, in case anyone's wondering...) Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:48:47 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Re: City Slicker njc Off on a tangent slightly... planes. Not the little cessna type jobbies, or ultralights/microlights, or gliders, but big motherhubbard 747 jumbo jets. How the *hell* does that work? Who was it that looked appraisingly at a little plane one day, then went home to find several large sheets of paper and a pencil or two? There's a big motorway road that rings London, next to which is Heathrow airport. So you're hammering along the road at, er, a resonable pace, and one of these beaties lumbers overhead, seemingly doing only about 10 miles per hour faster than you are. They're normally so low you feel like you could reach through the sunroof and touch the landing gear. It never fails to amaze me that people could build something that big and then, audaciously, manage to get the thing to *take off*, and then, if you please, get it to *stay up there*. (Not to mention landing too.) - --Chris (quite well aware of the physical principles behind all this stuff, yet still amazed that it all works) PS. Anyone heard the George Carlin sketch about planes and airports? Too funny... PPS. Sorry for blatant thread drift... > Continuing this thread..... Who accidentally dropped some > wood ashes into > some melted animal fat, left it to congeal, then thought > "I'll rub this on > my body - it will make me really clean!" (Soap, in case anyone's > wondering...) > > Hell > ___________________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be great > audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:49:03 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: njc movie reviews Hi Vince! Nice to hear from you again. Hope you are okay, health-wise and other-wise. :) > The Ring: more plot holes and more disconnects than a Bush speech on > economics. The Hollywood version of _The Ring_ is not really a bad film especially when you haven't watched the original Japanese films it was based on. I watched the three _Ring_ movies and the Hollywood version was able to show parts of _Ring 2_ and _Ring 0_ to best effect. The Hollywood version is like an idiot's guide to understanding the _Ring_ trilogy and if we based things on that alone, it quite provided the needed escapist entertainment. > Rungu, the movie that the Ring was based on. Anything has got to be > better than the Ring. One of the attractions of _Ringu_ is that nobody has heard of these Japanese actors before plus the allure of something foreign really can raise the scare quotient a notch higher. But I agree, this film is certainly better than _The Ring_ starring Naomi Watts (soon to be seen in the Merchant-Ivory film _Le Divorce_), and although I don't want to spoil your enjoyment of this film, the things that scared me the most were not the ones involving televisions but ordinary pictures that looked scarier because of what it tried to convey. > Rabbit Proof fence - only because Azeem and Joseph in Manilla said to. > Far From heaven - because Azeem and Joseph in Manilla said to Thanks for remembering me in the context of movies. Philip Noyce's _Rabbit Proof Fence_ will anger you, or will assail you, or touch you deeply. There's just no middle ground. One thinks about cruelties all the time but the perpetuation of something inhuman under the name of nationhood as shown in the film really almost made me cry. _Amistad_ did that to me once. You've got to watch _Far From Heaven_, Vince. If you won't like it, at least take a look at how Todd Haynes used Douglas Sirk's films in the 1950s as visual backdrop for this film. It can off-put at first, but there is something closely approximating reward in the end of the movie. Julianne Moore is a master of subtlety and here, she delivered a performance similar to the one she did with Haynes, called _Safe_. Dennis Haysbert and Dennis Quaid were really good as alternative men in her life. But indie queen Patricia Clarkson is the one to watch here. > The Crime of Padre Amaro - because I want to see more Mexican films I don't know how you will react to this film considering your vocation is being examined here, Vince. When I watched this film here in Manila, half of the people clapped in the end and the other half were angry at the portrayal of Catholic priests and the whole ideological framework R. catholicism represented. The Philippines is 90% Roman Catholic and I can quite understand the uneasiness some felt when something so holy was given a treatment so irreverent and iconoclastic. I didn't quite like the film, not because of its topic (any opportunity to critically examine Catholicism for me is always welcome... can't wait for _The Magdalene Sisters_) but because it was not done well, dammit. Here's the perfect opportunity to give a realistic picture of the abuses of the men in cloth and justify why those things have to happen, but the film just didn't convey that well. Although I want the film to end the way it did, I was wishing that it would have been done better. The director seems quite uneasy it had to tell that story and glosses up some parts as if to pacify certain sectors. Other than the controversial topic it delved in, I was quite surprised it was nominated for the Best Foreign Language Film in the Oscar. But then let us remind ourselves that _LIfe Is Beautiful_ won in 1997 over _Central Station_. Joseph in Manila > Vince > > > > > . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:59:21 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: RE: 'Under the thumb of the maid' now Rebecca (NJC) > now mike says... > > I seem to recall reading somewhere that the second Mrs De Winter's first > name was Charlotte. No more details come to mind. I must read the book > again as I don't recall if Rebecca killed herself or whether Max, in > fact, killed her. Can anyone save me from reading 400 pages? Maybe the > responsibility for her death is treated ambiguously? SPOILERS ALERT! No name, Mike. That much I am definite. In fact when Daphne Du Maurier was asked that question before she died in 1989, she said that its one of the allure of the film. To not name the central character and just live in the shadow of the mysterious Rebecca. And Rebecca had cancer, yes? She knew about it and taunted Max that she's pregnant. Max's enraged action accidentally killed Rebecca -- which is what she wanted all along so she can frame Max even if she is dead already. Laurence Olivier as Max is just to righteous and exuded the right amount of Heathcliff-mystery that its almost inconceivable for this guy to be behind bars and not have a happy ewnding with Joan Fontaine's Mrs De Winters. > In another post, Joseph said >>>Yep, she did. As much as I like Hitchcock, I like the Du Maurier story >>> more. > Same with "Don't Look Now". The story's final scene was so scary, I > wonder how they filmed the cinematic version. I should watch that one. > Julie Christie is up there in my books.<< > > This is a very good film, IMHO, and the ending is very well done. The > scariest thing though is Donald Sutherland's haircut... Thanks, Mike. I'd better watch this one. I always find the Sutherland senior a tad creepy, even in _Disclosure_. But the much ballyhooed scene was the realistic sex scene he had with Julie Christie, right? Still on Daphne Du Maurier, I remembered how much I also enjoyed her _Jamaica Inn_ novel. Heard that the film version starred Sir Michael Redgrave. Joseph in Manila ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:08:31 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Re: City Slicker njc Chris wrote: > It never fails to amaze me that people could build > something that big and then, audaciously, manage to > get the thing to *take off*, and then, if you please, > get it to *stay up there*. (Not to mention landing too.) > > PPS. Sorry for blatant thread drift... I happen to LIKE thread drift - it keeps thing interesting! Otherwise we'd have to talk about that Mitchell woman all the time ;o).... I've thought the same thing about planes. It makes you wonder what the Wright brothers would say if they could see a jumbo jet. Although it probably couldn't be repeated in polite company..... something along the lines of: "$#&% me, Orville! Look at the $#&%-ing size of that $#&%-ing thing!!!!" I've also thought the same thing about boats, particularly those huge oil tankers. How do those things float? Not only are they made of metal, and HEAVY metal, they also fill the inside (that's supposed to help it float) with liquid? And what about bumble-bees? Aerodynamically, it's been proven that they could never fly! Hell - who also knows the physical principles (I even studied Physics, damn it, and I passed!) ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:15:56 +0000 From: "Tamsin Lucas" Subject: re: City Slickers njc Went up to visit the auld father for Easter and he and his wife have just got two hens - they are wonderful - I was lying in the garden in a hammock listening to their little clucking noises - really lovely and relaxing. They layed their first egg on easter Sunday which seemed very sweet of them :) _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:25:30 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: 'under the thumb of the maid', now Rebecca NJC Joseph said >>Laurence Olivier as Max is just to righteous and exuded the right amount of Heathcliff-mystery that its almost inconceivable for this guy to be behind bars and not have a happy ending with Joan Fontaine's Mrs De Winters.<< Reading Chapters 19 to 21 of Rebecca seems to suggest quite strongly that Maxim did kill Rebecca. If I remember correctly, in the film the inquest into Rebecca's death is abandoned when Mrs De Winter faints in court. She faints because she is on oath and knows that Max is guilty but cannot bring herself to say so. There are obviously strong social class elements here (the deferential behaviour of the magistrate towards the aristocracy etc) but also a very strong misogynistic streak. OK, Rebecca was, shall we say, too promiscuous for her husband's taste, but does this justify her murder? And for the second Mrs De Winter to condone Max's action (or at least not criticise it) leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth. So much for female solidarity. There are many interesting things in the book and the film but the misogyny is the most interesting for me. >>I always find the Sutherland senior a tad creepy, even in _Disclosure_. But the much ballyhooed scene was the realistic sex scene he had with Julie Christie, right?<< Sex Sells Everything, Joseph, as we all know. >>Still on Daphne Du Maurier, I remembered how much I also enjoyed her _Jamaica Inn_ novel. Heard that the film version starred Sir Michael Redgrave.<< I think not, Charles Laughton was the male lead to Maureen O'Hara's female one. There was also a TV version but with Jane Seymour... mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:21:06 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Headphones and chickens UM>>>>>NJC WEll the headphones theme has brought back some memories for me... I 1975 I bought the WHAT HI-FI reccommended system.... Pioneer PL12D deck with Shure M75 EJ (series 2) cartridge The Rotel RX202 receiver AMplifier A Sansui AU101 pre-amp seems to figure in here somewhere too but that may have been a hang over from a previous system... The Akia GXC36D tape deck and a pair of KOS Pro 6 headphones All set up and BLUE on the turntable and lying on the floor with headphones on with the volume controls on the headphones way up high and the volume on the amp up high too and I waited for the hiss and rumble of the stylus in the opening grooves to ease into the first few notes of "All I want" to kick in...... WHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I nearlly blew my head off with the volume and so all that the people in the flat down stairs heard was my shout of alarm as my eardrums nearly blew...THE PAIN!!!!! There was a sudden hammering on my door and my downstairs neighbours (very sweet Vietnamese people) wandering if "you ok missy".. When I explained what had happened the guy said "oh no you need turn down sound on amp then turn up sound on headphones or you blow ears off......what you listening to?" "Joni Mitchell....BLUE"..........I seemed to be shouting very loudly for some reason.... A slow smile spread on his face and he said "yeah nice guy, very sexy" NOW CHICKENS......... Rule one, do not put headphones on chickens.... sorry cross thread there.... WE used to keep chickens when I was little and lived near Plymouth in Devon.. The whole thing about daily eggs has been explained so we don't need another explanation of that.... I had a Rhode Island Red hen, called Christmas Knickers. She was called this as she had no tail feathers and my granny was always saying she would knit it some for Christmas.... Any way CK and I had quite a friendhsip and she would follow me around the house and sit on my lap when I read a book, and one night when I went up to bed she had sneaked into the house and was roosting on my bed end... I liked her a lot and her eggs were the really best, huge brown things with a yolk the colour of daffodill stamens.... Having hens was an introduction to me of the way that aminals are part of our food chain... So Cruskin, Mrs Magoo, Flatfoot and Marigold, Charlotte Chaplin, Belinda and Aurora.... all ended up on the table... sadly CK "flew away one day" and was replaced with Mrs Black who also "flew away one day" and a whole succession of chickens that were my friends always "flew away" and were missed until their replacement was in the run!!! Years later I realised that my mother and father had arranged for all my feathered friends to be "despatched" the same as the others but could not bear to tell me..... So I ate each one of them and was none the wiser and do not feel any sort of betrayal or sadness for their loss and chicken remains one of my favourite meats..... Ah well such is the fickleness of childhood. I will say that our hens had a damned good life whilst they were with us though, free range of two acres of land, Chicken food, scraps, a fantastic henhouse and names that probably made them cringe... Good day to you all from a very bleak England from Lucy, whose car has gone in for major surgery and may well not recover without the use of my sadly depleted funds!!! Poor old Artie the Renault Estate car, 9 years old, 130,000 MILES on the clock and I have driven every one of those miles.... Here is hoping for it not being something too expensive!!! Take care all Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:05:56 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: case of u by K williams Yep! My niece discovered that one and I sent it along to the Covers King! (Keller has also done a cover of For Free.) Kerry - ----- Original Message ----- From: Wally Kairuz To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 3:52 AM Subject: case of u by K williams > has anybody listened to a version of case of you by one keller williams? > wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:07:37 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Rebecca NJC >>If I remember correctly, in the film the inquest into Rebecca's death is abandoned when Mrs De Winter faints in court. She faints because she is on oath and knows that Max is guilty but cannot bring herself to say so.<< Errr, I did not remember correctly. It was in fact Max who was giving evidence and his wife's faint leads to the adjournment, thus saving him from answering the vital question of the happiness of the marriage, vital in terms of motive for murder. As Joseph says, the book and the film end differently but that's nothing new. mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:22:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: City Slicker njc Hell asks: << Who accidentally dropped some wood ashes into some melted animal fat, left it to congeal, then thought "I'll rub this on my body - it will make me really clean!" >> Wally. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:39:01 -0400 From: "chuty001" Subject: Re: blue - ink of/on a pin - ----- Original Message ----- From: "magsnbrei" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: blue - ink of/on a pin > on the album covers, CD covers as well as the lyrics book, Joni Mitchell The Complete Poems and Lyrics , the line is as follows: ink OF a pin and it sounds to us like , and has always sounded like.... ink ON a pin so which is it? anyone know? note taken: on the Blue album cover, the lyrics are not hand written by Joni as she has done on some of the others. mags and brian > > You open my heart, you do. > Yes you do. > - JM > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > Hi Mags Ink on a pin underneath the skin (as in tattoos) is what I've always thought. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:44:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: blue - ink of/on a pin -- NJC Mags asks: << the line is as follows: ink OF a pin and it sounds to us like , and has always sounded like.... ink ON a pin so which is it? >> I believe Ashara cleared that up a week or so ago. It's "In Clonapin." I forget what Clonapin is, though. I think it's either a suburb in Connecticut (now THAT'S redundant!), or a 60s-era antidepressant. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:07:49 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: blue - ink of/on a pin > ink OF a pin and it sounds to us like , and has always sounded > like.... ink ON a pin so which is it? Since the first line of the song is "Blue songs are like tattoos" I'd bet it's "ink on a pin" (underneath the skin) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:14:56 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Headphones and chickens UM>>>>>NJC Lucy Hone wrote: > > .... Having hens was an introduction to me of the way that aminals are > part of our food chain... So Cruskin, Mrs Magoo, Flatfoot and Marigold, > Charlotte Chaplin, Belinda and Aurora.... all ended up on the table... ... which reminds me of a family trip to my grandparents in North Carolina and my sisters running full out into the house screeching how my grandmother was a murderer! They'd just witnessed her killing a chicken for dinner, and she was acting so nice, saying here chicky chicky to get one to come near enough for her to grab... that seemed to be the part that bothered them the most. And then she swung it around and... their description was so graphic and distress so real... so an hour later when we're all sitting along one side of the dinner table, we just kept passing along that big platter heaped with fried chicken every time it came around. And my grandmother at the end of the table chomping on a piece of chicken kept saying, you young'uns aren't hungry? No ma'am. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:17:48 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Hi Everyone! Here is the list so far of Jonifest 2003 attendees. As you can see, there are many, many people missing from this list. Are you one of them? Are you planning on attending the Best Ever Happening Thang in 2003?? If so, please get your deposits, checks, forms, in to me as soon as possible. As you can see, there are only 37 names on this list. According to the contract that I signed with Full Moon, I have to pay them for 60 people, whether 60 show up or not. If this number isn't met, I will have to pay out of my own pocket. Trust me, that will not make me happy, and it will mean the end of Jonifest. Since we had almost 70 people attend last year, and there is usually at least a 15% increase every year, I signed the contract with them in good faith. Please sign up now if you are planning on attending this year. There are lots of great surprises and it promises to be a GREAT fest, per usual. Perhaps those that have attended in the past could speak up and vouch for that sentiment? Also, there are many people who need assistance this year, and the scholarship fund is low. If you can afford to help your fellow Jonifesters out this year in any way, please consider donating to the scholarship fund. Bette Benedict (mcbette@webtv.net) - Lambertville, NJ Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas Walt Breen (bigwaltinsf@aol.com) - San Francisco, CA Sue Cameron (scam1@freeway.net) - Alanson, MI Chuck Eisenhardt (chuck@chucke.net) - Arlington, MA Lori Fye (lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com) - Silver Spring, MD Stephen Epstein (frasere@intergate.ca) - Vancouver, British Columbia Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ Susan Guzzi (groovchacha@yahoo.com) - Chicago, IL Barbara Hindley (barbh@bhindley.com) - Arlington, MA Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ Robert Holliston (roberto1011@hotmail.com) - Victoria, British Columbia Les Irvin (les@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO jody johnson (johnsonjs@earthlink.net) - Portsmouth, NH Nikki Johnson (stealth@voicenet.com) - Philadelphia, PA Ed Jordan (EDWARDJORDAN1@AOL.COM) - ft. myers, fl Wally Kairuz (wallykai@fibertel.com.ar) - BUENOS AIRES, CAPITAL Alex Krutsky (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA Patrick Leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny JIM LHOMMEDIEU (jlamadoo@yahoo.com) - COVINGTON, KY Barbara Little (balittle@ptd.net) - Tafton, PA Chris Marshall (chris@hatstand.org) - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire Catherine McKay (Anima_Rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA John Moore (jmoore@esva.net) - Chincoteague, VA Bob Murphy (murphycopy@aol.com) - Watertown, MA Michael Paz (michael@pyramidaudio.net) - Destrehan, La Lieve Reckers (reckersl@ebrd.com) - London, United Kingdom Anne Sandstrom (anne@sandstrom.com) - Waltham, MA Claudia SanSoucie (claud9@comcast.net) - Baltimore, MD Cindy Scaglione (cscag333@aol.com) - Tampa, FL Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Jimmy Stewart (FMYFL@AOL.COM) - Ft. Myers, FL Stephen Toogood (stjf@hatstand.org) - St. Leonards On Sea, East Sussex John van Tiel (johnvantiel@home.nl) - Delfzijl, The Netherlands Cindy Vickery (cindyvickery@yahoo.com) - Birmingham, Alabama Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:04:39 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Ashara sez: > There are lots of great surprises and it promises to be a GREAT fest, > per usual. And she's right! > Perhaps those that have attended in the past could speak up and vouch > for that sentiment? I can and I will, but first, a complaint: there are entirely too many people from Massachusetts coming to this year's JoniFest! Driving their "cahs" and drinking at the "bahs" and outside at night staring at the "stahs" -- I tell you, I'll be running around trying to find people who can properly say "R" at the end of a word! j/k, of course. ; ) If you've been to a JoniFest before, you know what you'll miss if you don't attend this year's. Especially if you attended last year, you know that everything about having the fest at the Full Moon (http://www.fullmooncentral.com/intro.html) is just SO EXCELLENT -- the mountains, the trees, the grounds, the performance space, the cabins, the common areas, the secluded areas, the food, the food, the incredible FOOD, the music, the music, the beautiful and amazing MUSIC, the wonderful FRIENDS, old and new -- it's all there to be enjoyed for a nice long weekend. Kerry, wasn't it you who said, "JoniFest is like camp for grown-ups"? Several of us have been working on getting the photos from last year's Fest on the JMDL website, but meanwhile, drop by Chris Marshall's site and have a look at some of the pictures there (copy and paste link to your browser if it breaks here): http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/view_album.php? set_albumName=usjonifest2002 (Thanks, Chris!) I have more to say, but work calls ... Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:05:38 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni's "nervous breakdown," shamans & acronym problems Can someone help me find the quotation from Joni -- which may have been connected to the recent PBS show -- in which she says something about going to Canada before "For the Roses" (FtR, for Catherine!) and having what some people would call a nervous breakdown, but Native Americans would have called a "_?_." I thought I had saved the quotation, but now I can't find it. (It's probably with my keys somewhere!) And speaking of acronyms, I am reading "White Teeth" by Zadie Smith. (I noticed on PBS last night that it is going to be -- I think -- a miniseries beginning May 11.) Anyway, in the book there is a Muslim group called "Keepers of the Eternal and Victorious Islamic Nation." Whenever the name is mentioned, someone always says, "KEVIN?" And the response is always something like, "We are aware we have an acronym problem." So of course I think of you all . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:18:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? About people from Massachusetts, Lori writes: << I tell you, I'll be running around trying to find people who can properly say "R" at the end of a word! >> People from Massachusetts DO put Rs at the ends of words, Lori! Unfortunately, it's usually words like Cuba (Cuber) and idea (idear). But Massachusetts is probably one of the most intelligent states in the US -- there, I said it! -- so it's no wondah that so many of us here love Joni! I went to my first Jonifest in 2000 and I'd never miss another, so I would encourage EVERYONE to check it out. I was new to the list when I first went to the fest and frankly, getting together with a bunch of people I only knew from the Internet is not something I would usually have done. BUT I AM GLAD I DID IT! And you will be, too! So get on over to JMDL.com and check out previous fests and then sign up. After all, where else are you going to find such a big group of loving, intelligent and fun-loving people who, like you, also happen to know the words to just about every Joni song ever written! See you there, I hope! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:20:56 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? > Kerry, wasn't it you who said, "JoniFest is like camp for grown-ups"? > And this is suppose to get me excited? NP: Don Henley; Boys of Summer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:29:02 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: City Slickers, NJC Hello Just came back from the U.S. where I met with Marcel and Kakki. I'm just catching on the current JMDL train: My egg shop at the market sells both white and brown eggs. Does it have anything to do with one kind being fertilized and not the other? Which is healthier to eat? Do you see any benefit to eating "organic" eggs? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:34:23 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? > And this is suppose to get me excited? Yes, darn it! I don't care if you spend all of your free time as a camp counselor, Craig!! Get thee butt to JoniFest this year!!!!!!! : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:41:37 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: The Positive Side of Life , njc The positive side of life... Living on earth is expensive, but it does include a free trip around the sun every year. How long a minute is depends on what side of the bathroom door you're on. Birthdays are good for you; the more you have, the longer you live. Happiness comes through doors you didn't even know you left open. Ever notice that the people who are late are often much jollier than the people who have to wait for them? Most of us go to our grave with our music still inside of us. If WalMart is lowering prices every day, how come nothing is free yet? You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person. Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once. Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened. We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names,and all are different colors...but they all exist very nicely in the same box. A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour. Have an awesome day, and know that someone who thinks you're great has thought about you today! And that person is me Please don't keep this message to yourself...send it to all those who mean so much to you. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:48:18 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Wendy Waldman fans? There's no NJC tag, so I'll start with the Joni content. When Wendy Waldman used to come to Boston to play Passim, she'd always be interviewed on local folk radio. She's a pretty accomplished dulcimer player, but the entire interview was usually about how Wendy was inspired by Joni's playing on Blue to start playing dulcimer. I think I recall that she had a dulcimer made for her by Joellen, the same woman who made one of Joni's dulcimers. So, are there any other Wendy Waldman fans out there? Does anyone have the first album, that had Gringo en Mexico on it? (most of that album is available on a collection CD - but I really want to hear the song about spring.) and in the trivial trivia category, I actually bought a Don Johnson (Miami Vice) album because it contained a Wendy Waldman song I'd never heard. That's desperation - - especially considering I never understood his popularity... although now that I think of it, the album wasn't completely horrible... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:55:50 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: joni's "nervous breakdown," shamans & acronym problems Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Can someone help me find the quotation from Joni -- which may have been > connected to the recent PBS show -- in which she says something about going > to Canada before "For the Roses" (FtR, for Catherine!) and having what some > people would call a nervous breakdown, but Native Americans would have called > a "_?_." Ok, if I must, I'll watch the tape again... I think SC is what you're looking for, Bob. From the PBS show: "I was going down and with that came a tremendous sense of knowing nothing. Western psychology might call it a nervous breakdown, but in certain cultures they call it a shamanic conversion. I read nearly every psychological book I could get my hands on and threw them all against the wall basically. But depression can be the sand that makes the pearl. Most of my best work came out of it. If you get rid of the demons and other disturbing things, if you get rid of them then the angels fly off, too. So there is a possibility in that mire of an epiphany." What a WW! Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:52:43 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: City Slickers, NJC In a message dated 4/24/2003 12:27:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > Do you see any benefit to eating "organic" eggs? > I eat everything organic as much as possible. The food that is fed to the hens of non-organic eggs contain antibiotics and other things to help insure they do not get sick and also contaminate other hens. As Mack said, "The eggs we buy in the stores are from hens that are never allowed outside, never touch the ground, and live their entire lives in a cage." They, and their eggs, are mass produced and the only concern is that they get the product out quickly, with no thought to the non-humane treatment to the animals. Organic eggs are predominately from hens who are "free-range" (to make sure they are free range, check the packaging), in other words, they run around the farms instead of being cooped up in a cage, never to see the light of day. They are fed grains that are not contaminated with antibiotics and other things. Ugh. Don't get me started. Great posts Mack, Lucy, Randy and others on raising chickens. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:58:15 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's "nervous breakdown," shamans & acronym problems -- NJC now Thanks, Debra! I really do appreciate your fast response. Now . . . what exactly is the meaning of life? Also, "WW?" Wonder Woman? Wise Woman? Willy Wanker? --Bob, having another AP! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:19:49 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: joni's "nervous breakdown," shamans & acronym problems --NJC now My pleasure. Your second guess is what I had in mind. The first would work, too, except then I picture Joni dressed in certain clothing. There's a cape involved. ... having another... apple pie? That's taking American patriotism to dangerous extremes. Perhaps our list of acronyms needs expanding. Debra Shea NP: Joni singing Stay in Touch, which is the background on the tape to a discussion about Joni finding her daughter, so maybe the song's not about that Donald guy... Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks, Debra! I really do appreciate your fast response. > > Now . . . what exactly is the meaning of life? > > Also, "WW?" Wonder Woman? Wise Woman? Willy Wanker? > > --Bob, having another AP! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:20:38 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Wendy Waldman fans? Not only am I a fan but I booked her for a concert when I was producing campus concerts back then. It was her, a big steinway and 300 folks in a building specially built to house a gamelon orchestra and its performances. she did two shows. Really great stuff. I had that album - not sure if I still do. Eric - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Wendy Waldman fans? > There's no NJC tag, so I'll start with the Joni > content. When Wendy Waldman used to come to Boston to > play Passim, she'd always be interviewed on local folk > radio. She's a pretty accomplished dulcimer player, but > the entire interview was usually about how Wendy was > inspired by Joni's playing on Blue to start playing > dulcimer. I think I recall that she had a dulcimer made > for her by Joellen, the same woman who made one of > Joni's dulcimers. > > So, are there any other Wendy Waldman fans out there? > Does anyone have the first album, that had Gringo en > Mexico on it? (most of that album is available on a > collection CD - but I really want to hear the song > about spring.) > > and in the trivial trivia category, I actually bought a > Don Johnson (Miami Vice) album because it contained a > Wendy Waldman song I'd never heard. That's desperation > - especially considering I never understood his > popularity... although now that I think of it, the > album wasn't completely horrible... > > lots of love > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:14:35 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: City Slickers, NJC Ashara wrote: > Organic eggs are predominately from hens who are "free-range" (to > make sure they are free range, check the packaging), in other words, > they run around the farms instead of being cooped up in a cage, never > to see the light of day. Last May, Mary and I visited a long-time friend of hers who lives north of Seattle. Fran has about 12 acres upon which she boards and raises a variety of animals, including about a dozen exotic hens and a couple of exotic roosters. They are all different and some of the most beautiful birds I've ever seen. They're free range and fed organic grains, and they seem to be very, very happy. The chickens lay eggs that Fran sells, and she says the eggs are all sorts of colors. I also try to buy organic -- and free range -- whenever possible. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:20:41 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: City slicker - c*ckadoodledoo njc kakki wrote: > Is that just a "city" > thing or are there other people who collect them kind of like keeping exotic > birds? I used to live near a guy that had dozens of varieties of all shapes, colors, and sizes, and took them to shows. Some of them were very far out. I had a pair of golden pheasants that I bought at the local feed store for $20 simply because they were so beautiful. Catherine McKay wrote: > > What's a bantam? A ca... er, "fixed" male? It's a variety, that, over time, has been bred down to be a miniature. Some of the bantam roosters are really cool. Not to be confused with a 'banty', which is a mutt in chickenese. Laurent Olszer wrote: > My egg shop at the market sells > both white and brown eggs. > Does it have anything to do with one kind being fertilized and not the other? No, it's a genetic thing, some varieties lay white, some brown (or green) > Which is healthier to eat? While many presume that brown eggs are healthier, I have read that, under the shell, they are the same. My neighbor says our green eggs taste better, but to me they seem the same. > Do you see any benefit to eating "organic" eggs? As Ashara said, commercial hens are fed antibiotics and live in not-nice conditions, so presumably those things could get passed on to the eggs. To be truly organic, the hens would have to be fed organically grown feed which is more expensive. "Naturally fed" would be the in-between. Look for eggs with deep orange yolks as these birds probably get their share of greens in their diet. As Forrest Gump said, "that's all I have to say about that" RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:54:25 +0100 From: colin Subject: colin This is typed by John for Colin. Thank you all for your kind wishes. i am at home now. in pain but relieved. it would seem that i have a problem with my neck and not my heart. had x rays today. trapped nerve or arthritis. probably related to all my knitting and sewing and pc work and posture. i am getting old. your messages were very much appreciated. colin xoxoxo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:01:01 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: colin (njc) > i am getting old. That's ALL? Oh hell, Colin -- let's all grow old TOGETHER!! Glad you're home and on the mend. Love, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:05:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? i am FLABBERGAST!!!!!!! i thought that by this time we'd be MILLIONS and that ashara would be exercising her bargaining power by forcefully feeding us tofu breakfast, dinner and tea. folks, READ MY LIPS: short of a cruise around the world, there is no other place in the world where you can meet such diverse, talented and friendly people all together and ready to share. ok, that was too long to read from my lips, so read it to yourselves and OUT LOUD. last year was one of the saddest years in my life. in one of those bouts in which my country periodically ceases to exist just before its next economic boom, i was unable to attend the fest. the sorrow, the utter desperation for not BEING THERE with all the beautiful people, listening to their great renditions of joni's songs (or of whatever material that crossed their minds) and spending time with friends i see only ONCE a year was devastating. don't let it happen to you. in my case, the collapse of a country's economy kept me from going (nothing else could have!). most of you aren't that darned unlucky so what ever could be your excuse NOT to send your deposits and pledges? baby, would you miss all the bull sessions, the divine madness that one knows only in the company of fellow jonifreaks, the opportunity to spend hour after hour doing only pleasant things and yakking and taking naps? jonifests are not only about music. you may be the most accomplished musician or merely an amateur like me. well, we both get a chance to delight our audiences. you may want just to listen. you're welcome to it. you may want NEVER to set foot in any of the musical events. well, sure! there are a million fun things to do. at the risk of repeating myself, i demand again that you READ MY LIPS: jonifests are about US and our love for joni and for one another. all the rest is just to keep organization-freak ashara busy and happy. workshops, concerts, late-night talking or partying or both, meeting your best friend on the list for the first time, the mighty mighty mighty vibes that come from synergizing with a whole lot of joni worshippers from all over the place, SPENDING TIME WITH ME, for god's sake, and more, so much more that i could never fit into this message. every jonifest i have attended has been a frigging life-changing experience. it brought people and experiences to my life that i could never have been exposed to anywhere else. don't miss this chance. a jonifest takes time, effort and money to organize. ashara and her aides burn irreplaceable brain cells every year to get it together. raffle items are needed. volunteers for certain activities are needed. money for the scholarship funs is need. most of all, DEPOSITS and about 25 more attendees ARE NEEDED. folks, we're almost there. do it now! i guarantee you'll never regret you've decided to join us. love, wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 24 de Abril de 2003 12:18 p.m. Para: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com; NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Jonifest 2003- Is your name on here?? Hi Everyone! Here is the list so far of Jonifest 2003 attendees. As you can see, there are many, many people missing from this list. Are you one of them? Are you planning on attending the Best Ever Happening Thang in 2003?? If so, please get your deposits, checks, forms, in to me as soon as possible. As you can see, there are only 37 names on this list. According to the contract that I signed with Full Moon, I have to pay them for 60 people, whether 60 show up or not. If this number isn't met, I will have to pay out of my own pocket. Trust me, that will not make me happy, and it will mean the end of Jonifest. Since we had almost 70 people attend last year, and there is usually at least a 15% increase every year, I signed the contract with them in good faith. Please sign up now if you are planning on attending this year. There are lots of great surprises and it promises to be a GREAT fest, per usual. Perhaps those that have attended in the past could speak up and vouch for that sentiment? Also, there are many people who need assistance this year, and the scholarship fund is low. If you can afford to help your fellow Jonifesters out this year in any way, please consider donating to the scholarship fund. Bette Benedict (mcbette@webtv.net) - Lambertville, NJ Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, Texas Walt Breen (bigwaltinsf@aol.com) - San Francisco, CA Sue Cameron (scam1@freeway.net) - Alanson, MI Chuck Eisenhardt (chuck@chucke.net) - Arlington, MA Lori Fye (lrfye@lrfye.lunarpages.com) - Silver Spring, MD Stephen Epstein (frasere@intergate.ca) - Vancouver, British Columbia Jenny Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Shutesbury, MA Brian Gross (briangross@rocketmail.com) - Woodbury, NJ Susan Guzzi (groovchacha@yahoo.com) - Chicago, IL Barbara Hindley (barbh@bhindley.com) - Arlington, MA Mags Holden-Gross (magsnbrei@yahoo.com) - Woodbury, NJ Robert Holliston (roberto1011@hotmail.com) - Victoria, British Columbia Les Irvin (les@jmdl.com) - Colorado Springs, CO jody johnson (johnsonjs@earthlink.net) - Portsmouth, NH Nikki Johnson (stealth@voicenet.com) - Philadelphia, PA Ed Jordan (EDWARDJORDAN1@AOL.COM) - ft. myers, fl Wally Kairuz (wallykai@fibertel.com.ar) - BUENOS AIRES, CAPITAL Alex Krutsky (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA Patrick Leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny JIM LHOMMEDIEU (jlamadoo@yahoo.com) - COVINGTON, KY Barbara Little (balittle@ptd.net) - Tafton, PA Chris Marshall (chris@hatstand.org) - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire Catherine McKay (Anima_Rising@yahoo.ca) - Etobicoke, ON Maggie McNally (mm@celebrityseries.org) - Cambridge, MA John Moore (jmoore@esva.net) - Chincoteague, VA Bob Murphy (murphycopy@aol.com) - Watertown, MA Michael Paz (michael@pyramidaudio.net) - Destrehan, La Lieve Reckers (reckersl@ebrd.com) - London, United Kingdom Anne Sandstrom (anne@sandstrom.com) - Waltham, MA Claudia SanSoucie (claud9@comcast.net) - Baltimore, MD Cindy Scaglione (cscag333@aol.com) - Tampa, FL Ashara Stansfield (AsharaProducLLC@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Jimmy Stewart (FMYFL@AOL.COM) - Ft. Myers, FL Stephen Toogood (stjf@hatstand.org) - St. Leonards On Sea, East Sussex John van Tiel (johnvantiel@home.nl) - Delfzijl, The Netherlands Cindy Vickery (cindyvickery@yahoo.com) - Birmingham, Alabama Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #258 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)