From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #256 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 256 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- under the thumb of the maid and help me ["Lucy Hone" ] Permavine offer from CD Trader John @aol.com ["PAUL PETERSON" ] Re: Colin NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] april 22 (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] More questions NJC (Bruised Orange - John Prine) [OzWoman321@aol.com] Re: City slicker njc ["gene mock" ] njc movie reviews [vince ] LAST CALL--Vine Offer: Joni & James Taylor 10/29/70 London [CDTraderJohn@] Rebecca (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Colin NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Colin NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC [dsk ] Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" [Randy Remote ] Re: swishing chippendales SJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC [Murphycopy@aol.co] Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni [Howard ] Re: City slicker njc [FMYFL@aol.com] spoony's big adventure [Alison E ] Mighty Wind & F Mac njc [Randy Remote ] Re: njc movie reviews [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: njc movie reviews/"Heaven"/"Morvern"/Hazelwood [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: City slicker njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: City slicker njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: spoony's big adventure [Doug ] JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! [] Last Chance for Dark Cafe Days (fwd) [anne-smith@att.net] Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" ["kakki" ] Re: njc movie reviews [vince ] Re: City slicker - c*ckadoodledoo njc ["kakki" ] Re: City Slicker njc ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Re: City Slicker njc [hell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:19:51 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: under the thumb of the maid and help me That is the beauty of Joni's lyrics, isn't it. There are so many ways that each of us can read and interpret her. I have often thought that "being under the tumb of the maid" could also mean that you spend hours cleaning the place up just so that the maid won't think you are a total slut.....leading to the analagy that the person in the song is herded by the need to have a life that is totally closed to any form of criticism, .....keep those corners pegged down, have no dust and specks of fluff that may raise an eyebrow even from someone you pay to do exactly that for you .... Its the horrible feeling of being exposed to a strangers scrutiny... Anyway HELP ME Yes Azeem she does say "We love our loving, but not like we love our freedom".. Great sex but not going to commit are we..... She likes all the stuff that goes with the fun and freindship and fears the love aspect as it could lead to something that would ultimately self destruct.... It is a fantastic song.....just love it to bits and it jiggles about in my head sooo much... Anyway, have to go and walk that dog and have a breath of fresh air... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:37:04 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: RE: 'Under the thumb of the maid' now Rebecca (NJC) > I always read this line quite literally, as someone who feels so > powerless they are even pushed around by the hired help. Like Rebecca > and Mrs. Danvers. Hi Deb: Rebecca never appeared in the (Hitchcock) film nor had speaking lines in Daphne Du Maurier's novel. You must mean Mrs Danvers and Mrs De Winter (who was strangely not given a Christian name). Joseph in Manila (considers Du Maurier's "The Blue Lenses" as her most scary story ever) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:38:34 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC Dear Allon Joni List, John writing for Colin Andersson. Colin was taken into hospital yesterday (Tues) with heavy chest pains and is undergoing tests today to find out what happened and what treatment needed. He is in Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Kings Lynn. Likely to be there for a couple of days. I will be down loading mail till he gets back. When any news I will post it. John dsk wrote: >Well, excellent!!! Let me dip into my gold star box again! :-) > >And looks like I'll have to revise/rethink that second question. What >are the three (or more) words in the English language... (not nearly as >dramatic a premise as the ONE word)... or add the phrase "in a row" to >"3 pairs of letters"... or just find another briefly mind-boggling >question to ask sometime.... > >And as far as I know, the word "orange" is the only word that no other >word in English rhymes with. > >Randy, since you're 3 for 3, any ideas about the author of Mike's quotes? > >Debra Shea > > >Randy Remote wrote: > > >>dsk wrote: >> >> >> >>>1. What's the only word in the English language that does not rhyme with >>>another word? >>> >>> >>I suspect there are more than one, but "orange" for starters >> >> >> >>>2. What's the only word in the English language that has three pairs of >>>letters in it? >>> >>> >>committee >> >> >> >>>3. A gardener has 10 trees and wants to plant 5 rows of 4 trees each. >>>How does the gardener do that? >>> >>> >>(s)he plants them in a five-pointed star shape, with a tree at >>each point, and a tree where each line crosses. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Call for an Acronyms help guide njc --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > Nanananananana! I'm not listening- I'm not > > leeesteniiinnng1 (remember that one? fingers in > ears? > > making lots of noise to drown out what you just > don't > > want to hear?) > > You mean INL right! ;-) > > Victor I wouldn't know. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:35:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: under the thumb of the maid and help me --- Lucy Hone wrote: > That is the beauty of Joni's lyrics, isn't it. There > are so many ways that > each of us can read and interpret her. I have often > thought that "being under > the tumb of the maid" could also mean that you spend > hours cleaning the place > up just so that the maid won't think you are a total > slut..... My mother used to do that, leading me to the point where I am today - even if I could afford a housecleaner, I'd be afraid to have one come into my house (though I'm badly in need of one.) > leading to the > analagy that the person in the song is herded by the > need to have a life that > is totally closed to any form of criticism, > .....keep those corners pegged > down, have no dust and specks of fluff that may > raise an eyebrow even from > someone you pay to do exactly that for you .... Its > the horrible feeling of > being exposed to a strangers scrutiny... ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:58:50 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: 'Under the thumb of the maid' now Rebecca (NJC) Oops, of course you're right. I meant the SECOND Mrs. DeWinter and Mrs. Danvers. Speaking of scary, did you know that Du Maurier wrote "The Birds?" It's altogether different from the Hitchcock film, though. At 05:37 PM 4/23/2003 +0800, you wrote: >Rebecca never appeared in the (Hitchcock) film nor had speaking lines in >Daphne Du Maurier's novel. You must mean Mrs Danvers and Mrs De Winter >(who was strangely not given a Christian name). > >Joseph in Manila >(considers Du Maurier's "The Blue Lenses" as her most scary story ever) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:36:10 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: RE: 'Under the thumb of the maid' now Rebecca (NJC) > Oops, of course you're right. I meant the SECOND Mrs. DeWinter and Mrs. > Danvers. > > Speaking of scary, did you know that Du Maurier wrote "The Birds?" It's > altogether different from the Hitchcock film, though. Yep, she did. As much as I like Hitchcock, I like the Du Maurier story more. Same with "Don't Look Now". The story's final scene was so scary, I wonder how they filmed the cinematic version. I should watch that one. Julie Christie is up there in my books. By the way, the ending of Hitchcock's "Rebecca" was different from Du Maurier's. I somehow wanted Mrs Danvers to be victorious like in the novel. She seems more interesting than the second Mrs De Winter. Joseph in Manila np: Chuck Mangione "The Hill Where the Lord Hides" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:58:19 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: City slicker njc Kakki wrote: > I didn't know that, either, until I was sent off to visit an uncle's farm > one summer. I think they only keep the roosters around as an alarm clock Actually my friend, we keep them for many different reasons, or kept them in my case as I have relocated and no longer have any chickens. 1. They are very pretty as each has his own different coloration. 2. They protect the hens and alert them to danger. A good rooster, and not all are, will throw himself in the way of possible death to allow the hens to escape. 3. If one raises their own chickens then they are straight run and the extra males must be killed and they do make very good eating. 4. If you want to keep your flock going, then the eggs must be fertile and, thus, you have to keep a rooster. 5. I was such a sucker and a soft touch that I often couldn't kill all of them and had too many roosters running around. I always kept one large rooster and one bantam at least. 6. I kept em cause I liked em. Miss them very much. A farm boy. The eggs we buy in the stores are from hens that are never allowed outside, never touch the ground, and live their entire lives in a cage. When they stop laying, they butcher them and sell the meat. I always figured after a hen had layed her eggs for me all those years then she deserved to do nothing but have a good time and never killed them. Folks always laugh at me and my tales of my chickens but they were very dear to me and, believe it or not, each had its own distinct personality. And yes, many were very stupid but not all. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:50:10 -0400 From: "PAUL PETERSON" Subject: Permavine offer from CD Trader John @aol.com I'm ready. Sign me up. What do I do? Thanks for a great idea! Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:09:27 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Colin NJC In a message dated 4/23/2003 5:40:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: > John writing for Colin Andersson. Colin was taken into hospital > yesterday (Tues) with heavy chest pains and is undergoing tests today to > find out what happened and what treatment needed. John, thanks so much for letting us know about Colin's condition. Please tell him that we're all thinking about him, and wish him a speedy recovery. My healing powers are being sent across the pond. Take good care of him. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan aaker Subject: Joni Bootlegs I wonder if anyone could clear a few things up for me. I recently came across a bootleg called Alternative Hissing of Summer Lawns. What are the mixes? Are they early mixes? or did she re-record the record after a point? Any info would enhance an already fabulous listening experience. Thanks! BryanP.S. sorry if this has been covered already! n.p. Bill Frisell and the Intercontinental Quartet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 07:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Colin NJC Oh Dear - All my best wishes and healing light and energy to my brother Colin. And of course our love and concern to Colin and to you John - please do keep us in the loop. With much Love & Peace, Susan - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/23/2003 5:40:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: > > > John writing for Colin Andersson. Colin was taken into hospital > > yesterday (Tues) with heavy chest pains and is undergoing tests today to > > find out what happened and what treatment needed. > > John, thanks so much for letting us know about Colin's condition. Please > tell him that we're all thinking about him, and wish him a speedy recovery. > My healing powers are being sent across the pond. Take good care of him. > > Jimmy The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:21:50 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] april 22 (njc) Happy birthday, Walt! I hope it was a great one. (The BF is getting slow.) Looking forward to seeing you in July! The divine BF writes: << "i hope i WILL be your ambassador this year". >> Silly BF! Jonifesters only have ambassadors their first year at JF. I was Walt's first and last ambassador, and nothing will ever change that! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:06:21 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: More questions NJC (Bruised Orange - John Prine) Hello, All - Debra asked: > 1. What's the only word in the English language that does not rhyme with > another word? My answer 4 years ago would have been "orange" except... the amazing Dave Carter managed to make it work: << Professor come to burst my bubble, says that girl is bound for trouble Serves me solace in a paper cup But it looks a bit like agent orange and when he leaves he slams the door and Just about that time she phones me up >> From a 6/13/99 Music Matters Review interview: << In reference to bThe River, Where She Sleeps,b did you know that there is no rhyme in the English language for the word borange?b Dave: I was dared to do that at a songwriterbs party! We were doing this songwriter thing, going around in a circle writing a song and my friend Arlene Hale, who plays bass on the first album, set it up so that I would have to rhyme something with the word borange.b I took that problem home and I knew that there was probably some ridiculous thing that I could do to come up with a rhyme for it. [laughs] If people didnbt like the rest of the song at all theybd notice that there is a rhyme for borangeb and think itbs funny. Maybe that will be my footnote in the songwriting world, the guy who found a rhyme with orange! [laughs] >> If you're not already familar with his music, I strongly urge you to check it out - Dave died last July, but his "partner in all things" Tracy Grammer, is now touring (with Joan Baez, Richard Shindell, and solo), helping spread the word of Dave's lyric genius. The duo have three perfect CDs to their credit, and there are a few more planned from recorded but as yet unreleased material - look at website (www.daveandtracy.com) or e-me off-list for more info... Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.co m "Out of the city and down to the seaside To sun on my shoulders and wind in my hair But sandcastles crumble and hunger is human And humans are hungry for worlds they can't share My dreams with the seagulls fly Out of reach out of cry..." ~ Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:28:37 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: City slicker njc thanks mack for sticking up for roosters. and i would like to add fresh fertile eggs taste much much better than store bought. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mack watson-bush" To: "joni" Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:58 AM Subject: Re: City slicker njc > Kakki wrote: > > > > I didn't know that, either, until I was sent off to visit an uncle's farm > > one summer. I think they only keep the roosters around as an alarm clock > > Actually my friend, we keep them for many different reasons, or kept them in > my case as I have relocated and no longer have any chickens. 1. They are > very pretty as each has his own different coloration. 2. They protect the > hens and alert them to danger. A good rooster, and not all are, will throw > himself in the way of possible death to allow the hens to escape. 3. If one > raises their own chickens then they are straight run and the extra males > must be killed and they do make very good eating. 4. If you want to keep > your flock going, then the eggs must be fertile and, thus, you have to keep > a rooster. 5. I was such a sucker and a soft touch that I often couldn't > kill all of them and had too many roosters running around. I always kept > one large rooster and one bantam at least. 6. I kept em cause I liked em. > Miss them very much. A farm boy. The eggs we buy in the stores are from > hens that are never allowed outside, never touch the ground, and live their > entire lives in a cage. When they stop laying, they butcher them and sell > the meat. I always figured after a hen had layed her eggs for me all those > years then she deserved to do nothing but have a good time and never killed > them. Folks always laugh at me and my tales of my chickens but they were > very dear to me and, believe it or not, each had its own distinct > personality. And yes, many were very stupid but not all. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:50:43 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc movie reviews Last Friday took Gage to see "Bulletproof Monk." If you are taking a kid to a movie, a fine choice. Kind of a ninja movie that is far better thought out plot wise than Shanghai Nights and it gave us a new phrase: "It's not about anger. It's about peace." That is a fun phrase to say. Stayed home from work yesterday and today with bad sinus infection. When it bad is too bad that I can't even sit up, I watch dvds. The Ring: more plot holes and more disconnects than a Bush speech on economics. Igby Goes Down: One of the most interesting and droll movies I have seen in a while. Susan Sarandon is great and Kieren McCaulkin and Ryan Phillipe are wonderful as two brothers. The scene where Kieren sells drugs to his former art teacher was really funny to me in a non laugh out loud sort of way. "And what you are you doing with yourself now? Oh, that's right..." Drumline: I am a sucker for marching bands (love the U of Michigan Marching Band) and while the plot is somewhat predictable, it is done so well and so fresh and with such energy that I was very, very happy with this movie, my feel good ,movie of the day. Today's rentals: Rungu, the movie that the Ring was based on. Anything has got to be better than the Ring. Rabbit Proof fence - only because Azeem and Joseph in Manilla said to. Far From heaven - because Azeem and Joseph in Manilla said to The Crime of Padre Amaro - because I want to see more Mexican films Vince . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:53:27 EDT From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: LAST CALL--Vine Offer: Joni & James Taylor 10/29/70 London Please read this ENTIRE MESSAGE before responding to this offer. Please retain this e-mail for future reference. You will need it when you reoffer this Perma-Vine disc to the next recipient. I will accept at least six Perma-Viners who respond to this message with their complete name and mailing address, their promise to reoffer the vine disc promptly, and their promise to burn at least one copy for a burnerless member. Depending upon the responses I receive, I will attempt to designate discs by region (US, Canada, Europe, etc.) in order to prevent long postal delays between viners. However, if, when you reoffer, you do not get a response from within your region, you may offer to a JMDL member in any region. This is a Perma-Vine offer for the wonderful Joni Mitchell & James Taylor show which was recorded by the BBC on 10/29/70. It contains all the songs from the original BBC transcription disc, plus some additional Aircheck tracks from the same performance. In order to participate in this Perma-Vine you MUST be able to burn a copy of the vine disc for yourself (you may NOT keep the vine disc). You must then reoffer the ORIGINAL VINE DISC on JMDL and forward it onto the next recipient within a few days of your receipt. It must be reofferred exclusively on the JMDL list. Should a point come when there is NO response on JMDL after TWO postings, you may offer this Perma-Vine disc to another group but you MUST post that information on JMDL so others will know of the change. ******** NOTE: In addition to being able to burn a copy for yourself, YOU FURTHER AGREE to burn at least one copy for a burnerless JMDL member and offer it through a posting on the group. You may, if you desire, offer copies to more than one person. You may also trade this show, but only after you have forwarded the ORIGINAL vine disc to the next recipient. ******** This show was recorded at peak moments in both artists' careers -- Joni working on the songs that would become "Blue" and James having success with the recently released "Sweet baby James". This is a very memorable performance. Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni NOTE: This offer is being made as a Perma-Vine to ensure that all participants, no matter how far down the line, have the opportunity to obtain a clean, glitch-free copy of this wonderful show. If this offer goes well, I intend to offer more shows here in the future. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have! John Epstein CDTraderJohn@aol.com P.S. -- If anyone can provide me with cloned source discs, or very low generation copies, of early (pre '74) Joni show for future vines, I'd sure appreciate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:23:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Rebecca (NJC) what an unnerving child! how ever could she let the help get so cheeky! had i been the Second Mrs. DeWinters (who i always seem to turn out to be in the life of every one of my successive husbands), i would have managed the house servants with my accustomed iron fist instead of just running around all confused and simply impossibly slim in a useless little sweater. it is all right to be a silly girl who never had a debut when you are ABOUT to catch a mr. dewinters. after the wedding, take off your mask, girls, remove all portraits of the unforgettable late wife and PLEASE change the letterhead on the writing paper first thing after the wedding night. (never say note-paper, by the way -- very non-U). and wear sensible tweeds. wally, who knows all about being the 2nd mrs. dewinters someone wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, the ending of Hitchcock's "Rebecca" was different from Du Maurier's. I somehow wanted Mrs Danvers to be victorious like in the novel. She seems more interesting than the second Mrs De Winter. Joseph in Manila np: Chuck Mangione "The Hill Where the Lord Hides" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:26:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Colin NJC dear colin, get better soon! let john take good care of you. my good thoughts and prayers to both you and john. all my love, little brother, wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:40:19 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Colin NJC John, thank you for taking the time to write to the list and let us know what's going on with Colin. You can be certain that we're all wishing the best for him and sending good vibes ... God speed, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:14:46 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC mike pritchard wrote: > > Hi Debra, > Your original guess was better. You were half right then. Now you're totally > wrong. If you think about your original guess it will become clear which > half is right and which is not. Then you can take it from there. OK, one more time (and making use this time of Kakki's thinking cap :-): 1. Back to my first choice of Raymond Chandler 2. "The High Window" 3. Again, your quotes make me think of HOSL 4. I doubt if Joni's read this book, but she may have read something else by Chandler and come across similar images since his main character often observes the details of a scene and then makes some comment about how it doesn't look "lived in". Marlowe looks beneath the surface. He sees the grit. Of places. Of people. He'd squint an appreciative eye at blonde and leggy Joni. Maybe even start to smile. She'd speak. Brainy, too, he'd think. Blue-eyed trouble had come to call. > mike (who picked up Joan Didion's 'Slouching towards Bethlehem' for less > than a dollar this evening) A synopsis and review would be most appreciated. Then I can manage to never actually purchase a Joan Didion book and have more time to continue reading gritty LA detective stories... Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:18:19 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: City slicker njc Catherine McKay wrote: > Is it a case of chickens ovulating > outside their bodies? When the hell do the things get > fertilized then? Do chickens have sex? if not, why are > the bloody roosters always crowing and showing off? I've been keeping chickens for years. They do indeed have sex, only it is more like rape, the rooster grabs the hen by the back of the neck with his beak, and goes at it for a minute. The chicken composes herself, clucks a bit of indignation, and wanders off. Thus are the eggs fertilized, and if not collected, once in a while a hen will decide to 'set' on them-and defend them until they hatch. Without a rooster around, the hens still lay, but the eggs are infertile. I'm a softie, too, and keep my hens past their prime instead of killing and replacing them-after all those eggs, how could I? My chickens are Aracaunas and lay eggs in various shades of light green-instant Easter eggs. Some breeds are 'egg' breeds, some are 'meat' breeds, and some are both. Roosters are great alarm clocks if you like to wake up at 4 AM. Although you quickly get used to it and sleep through it unless they are loose and get right under your bedroom window. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:19:42 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" I almost said Christine....but, isn't this his second Jan? kakki wrote: > Great analysis Randy but: > > > another reference to Jan's death? > > Jan is his wife and quite alive and well! Christine is the one he lost. > Crosby has said that "Guinnivere" is about three different ladies - the > speculation is Christine, Joni and the other is a mystery not yet revealed. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:30:34 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: swishing chippendales SJC mike pritchard wrote: >> Hi Debra, Your original guess was better. You were half right then. Now you're totally wrong. If you think about your original guess it will become clear which half is right and which is not. Then you can take it from there.<< Debra then said: OK, one more time (and making use this time of Kakki's thinking cap :-): 1. Back to my first choice of Raymond Chandler 2. "The High Window" 3. Again, your quotes make me think of HOSL 4. I doubt if Joni's read this book, but she may have read something else by Chandler and come across similar images since his main character often observes the details of a scene and then makes some comment about how it doesn't look "lived in". Marlowe looks beneath the surface. He sees the grit. Of places. Of people. He'd squint an appreciative eye at blonde and leggy Joni. Maybe even start to smile. She'd speak. Brainy, too, he'd think. Blue-eyed trouble had come to call. > mike (who picked up Joan Didion's 'Slouching towards Bethlehem' for less > than a dollar this evening) A synopsis and review would be most appreciated. Then I can manage to never actually purchase a Joan Didion book and have more time to continue reading gritty LA detective stories... Debra Shea mike says Correct - The book is "The High Window" (filmed as "The Brasher Doubloon") and was written by Raymond Chandler. And I love the mini parody of Marlowe meets Mitchell... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:31:24 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC << mike pritchard wrote: > > Hi Debra, > Your original guess was better. You were half right then. Now you're totally > wrong. If you think about your original guess it will become clear which > half is right and which is not. Then you can take it from there. >> Could "half right" mean half of the guessed name (Raymond Chandler) is right? For example, could it be Raymond Carver? (Although I doubt if he had published much before "Hissing" was released.) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:40:07 +0100 From: Howard Subject: Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni Hi all You were right about the EBDGAD tuning for Guinevere. That's the one! Incidentally, Joni has used this same tuning on a few of songs: e.g. Sex Kills, Lead Balloon - in Joni notation these tunings are C73525 and D73525). That just means the lowest notes are C/D not E, but the relationship between the open string notes is the same. Guinevere is a GREAT song to play. I've seen a couple of magazine transcriptions, and they were both pretty good. The main "riff" that crops up in the verse is based on 022000 - just hammer on to the 2nd fret notes from the open strings (you probably already figured this out!). Howard P.S Sue - you're too generous with your praise (and I think your emails might be bad for my ego...) ;-) Susan McNamara wrote: > > Dear Bobsart: > > Guinnevere is a classy song, but I've never played it. I looked at > the two tabs on Olga and they both confer with the EBDGAD tuning. > Alas, there's no way to tell if this is right because the words > "Howard Wright" don't appear under the tabbed by listing. :-) > > I am copying this note to the Wanderer list to see if any of our > stalwart tuning experts want to chime in on this dilemma. > > Thanks, sue > > At 9:25 AM -0400 4/20/03, Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > > Following up on Lama's post: > > > > I have listened to CSN (the CD) a few times since Christmas, after > > not having listened in almost 30 years (I had the album, and played > > it to death for a couple of years after it came out in 1969). During > > that time, Guinnevere was not one of my favorites on the record, to > > say the least (but remeber, I quit on Joni's new work for a long, > > long time when I could not "get" THOSL or Hejira - 'ugh' for the > > umpteenth time). > > > > Anyway, I have now decided that I like this song the best on the > > record (with Wooden Ships a close second - and I have always loved > > the record). I think this is again because my ears have gotten > > better, finally. It occurs to me that this is a song that could hold > > its own in a collection of Joni's best work - high praise to David. > > And it makes me wonder if maybe David did have an influence on > > Joni's music. > > > > Can any of you guitar tab masters tell me what the tuning is for > > Guinnevere ? I will try fiddling with it in EBDGAD, on the off > > chance that that works. It does not sound like standard tuning to my > > ears, but I could easily be wrong. > > > > Bobsart > > > > Lama wrote > > > >> Did Joel show David open tunings? > >> > >> On the sleeve notes of a 1993 re-release of "Crosby, Stills and > >> Nash", Raymond Foye wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >From its hypnotic opening notes, David Crosby's "Guinnevere" > >> creates a space unlike any other in rock music. "When all my > >> friends > >> were listening to Elvis Presley, I was listening to 1950s West > >> Coast jazz," Crosby notes. Later, Crosby's divergent musical > >> sensibility was further inspired by a close association with Joni > >> Mitchell, whose unusual repertoire of guitar tunings heightened > >> his increasingly oblique musical sense, taking him another step > >> away from standard rock formulas. > >> > >> > >> Fellow musician Joel Bernstein recalls that for Crosby, "the > >> discovery of non-standard tunings was the opening the little door > >> in > >> 'Alice in Wonderland'." By literally rearranging the tones on his > >> guitar (the tuning is EBDGAD), Crosby tapped into a creative > >> well-spring that produced "Deja Vu" and "Song With No Words," > >> within a very short space of time.>>>>>>>> > >> > >> checking in from the NJC digest, > >> Lama > > > > -- > > > Susan McNamara > Assistant to the Dean of Students > Cornell University > 401 Willard Straight Hall > Ithaca, NY 14853 > Voice: (607) 255-1115 > FAX: (607) 255-8082 > E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:05:52 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: City slicker njc In a message dated 4/23/2003 3:54:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > the rooster grabs the hen by > the back of the neck with his beak, and goes at it for a > minute. That's what I call a premature ecluckulation :~) Happy Administrative Professionals Day! (that's so much better than secretary's day) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:29:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: spoony's big adventure hi all, got some joni content fer ya... one of my radio listeners showed up at the radio station this morning with a joni treat... he burned some joni stuff off an old album called the Warner/Reprise Record SHow, circa 1969. it has a couple of joni cuts on it, including "My American Skirt," fiddle and the drum (which I think is the album cut), and a story called "Spoony's Wonderful Adventure", about Ian & Sylvia's son. it's too cool! does anyone else have it? i'd be happy to copy for people, or send it to bob and have him include it on something else worthwhile. bye! alison e. in slc np: marc cohn The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:47:33 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Mighty Wind & F Mac njc On TV WED NBC Tonight Show w/Leno-Fleetwood Mac THURS Trio 1:30PM EST Nirvana Concert NBC Tonight Show w/Leno-Fleetwood Mac-again CBS Late Night w/Letterman-The Folksmen (Guest etc) (rerun) SAT FLIX 12 noon EST movie How I Won The War starring John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:56:24 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: njc movie reviews In a message dated 23/04/2003 17:51:36 GMT Daylight Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << Far From heaven - because Azeem and Joseph in Manilla said to >> Whoaah, Vince! I haven't seen Far From Heaven, and wouldn't even give it an "it's probably good based on previous form" sort of pre-recommendation, as I *hated* Todd Haynes's last film, Velvet Goldmine, with a vengeance. Everything I've read and seen about Far From Heaven suggests that I'm unlikely to like it, although of course that could easily change. Azeem in London NP: Die Lady Di (name of band, honestly!) - House of Come from a very strange 3 CD compilation on Dressed To Kill Records called Femme Fatale, which purports to be a history of women in music. In fact it's a bizarre mix of old classics (It Might As Well Rain Until September, Angel Of The Morning, My Baby Just Cares For Me, etc); out-of-left-field choices by Nico, Marianne Faithfull, June Tabor; indie hopefuls like Brix Smith, Tracey Thorn and Michelle Shocked; *total* unknowns like Lucy Cotter, IV Webb, Chloe LeFay, etc; and, closing the last CD, the mind-boggling prospect of Lee Hazelwood's lubricious Some Velvet Morning as interpreted by shock-goth performance artiste Lydia Lunch! I can hardly contain my excitement... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:17:59 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc movie reviews/"Heaven"/"Morvern"/Hazelwood Azeem writes: << the mind-boggling prospect of Lee Hazelwood's lubricious Some Velvet Morning as interpreted by shock-goth performance artiste Lydia Lunch! I can hardly contain my excitement... >> I can't wait to see how this song is used in "Morvern Callar," which is supposed to be released around here any moment. It's such a weird song . . . but in a good way. As far as "Far from Heaven" goes, I liked it for Juliana Moore. I thought it would be better, but it's okay. One thing that drove me crazy was all the "mistakes" in it. For example, upper-middle class men wearing their hats inside office buildings in the late 50s or early 60s. Dennis Quaid (sorry Paz) wears his right into his office! Doesn't anyone research stuff like this anymore? I can understand maybe the costume designer and the director missing this, but the entire crew?! --Bob, who makes mistakes ALL the time, but doesn't like them in movies ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:20:44 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: City slicker njc Gene wrote: and i would like to add fresh > fertile eggs taste much much better than store bought. You're so right Gene. As a throwback to an earlier time I was privy to that country goodness. Free range eggs are full of taste and oft are a shock to those who have only eaten the store bought kind. The yolks are dark yellow and have a stronger flavor. We always prepared them in bacon grease which brought that flavor out perfectly. As a teenager our chickens had the run of the proximal alfalfa field back in the Texas Panhandle. They ate so much of the stuff that the yolks literally turned green. True green eggs though rarely with ham. Gene, I, too, raised Araucanas for a time. My mother told me that their eggs were purported to be of a lower cholesterol count than your average egg. Most were pale green and, rarely, we would be treated with one that was a very pastel pink. The shells I write of. Along with the enriched taste of your free chicken egg is their meat which beats the heck out of that stuff sold in stores. We wouldn't even have to season it, so full of flavor it was. The only downside was having to butcher the poor things which was always hard. When younger we would dip them in hot water and pluck the feathers. Yuck! What a stench. Later on, after the warnings about fat, we would simply skin them. Hope to have more soon if I can talk Tod into it. Anyway, thanks for the thread. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:24:25 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: City slicker njc >I always figured after a hen had layed her eggs for me all those >years then she deserved to do nothing but have a good time and never killed >them. Just another reason why I like you so much. I try to buy free range eggs. >believe it or not, each had its own distinct >personality. Kind of like the JMDL?! Writing you a long one tonight. Happy B-day Walt! I hope you are well. Bree >mack _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:22:09 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: spoony's big adventure I have that album. In the liner notes it says that those clips are from the Carnegie Hall concert (1969), which I would love to have on CD. Someone somewhere has a copy. Where is "slc" ? Doug Alison E wrote: >hi all, got some joni content fer ya... >one of my radio listeners showed up at the radio >station this morning with a joni treat... >he burned some joni stuff off an old album called the >Warner/Reprise Record SHow, circa 1969. it has a >couple of joni cuts on it, including "My American >Skirt," fiddle and the drum (which I think is the >album cut), and a story called "Spoony's Wonderful >Adventure", about Ian & Sylvia's son. it's too cool! >does anyone else have it? i'd be happy to copy for >people, or send it to bob and have him include it on >something else worthwhile. >bye! >alison e. in slc >np: marc cohn >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo >http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:50:08 -0400 From: Subject: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! I thought someone with recording credentials would take this but no one has. (Kate? RR? Paz?) As a reader of the high-fi magazines 20 years ago and the audiophile magazines for the last 10 years, I'll say, "Yeah." Here's how it works: You take a mono recording and patch it into the board. With a knob that acts like a balance control, you can control the loudness of the track in the apparent mix. With the knob fully Right, it's all in the Right speaker. If it's equally loud in both channels, it sorta sounds like it's in the middle. So, you can take a mono recording of a passing train and "pan" it from right-to-left but it's not gonna sound as real as if you simply record a train in stereo to begin with. DUH! I would bet a week's salary that the name "pan" comes from film. When they rotate the camera it's called a "pan". As in, "We'll pan the Grand Canyon, right to left, and stop on Claudia Schiffer contemplating a Red Delicous apple with a wry smile." Lama Susan said,>> Ken thanks for bringing this one up and liked your term "pan" - whether its correct or not - it's perfect for my taste.>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:07:51 +0000 From: anne-smith@att.net Subject: Last Chance for Dark Cafe Days (fwd) Hope you can make it. :)Anne Sheridan Smith - ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: Rdalindley@aol.com To: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Last Chance for Dark Cafe Days Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:29:01 EDT One last chance to see Dark Cafe Days: Foiled Again sings Joni Mitchell [Unable to display image] This Sunday the 27th @ 9:00 PM Come check it out - or come see it again! Bring several of your friends! Please. Here's what the critics said: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES: "Highly Recommended. . If there is a group performing tighter, more intricate harmonies, I haven't heard them." GAY CHICAGO MAGAZINE: ". . .the depth of Mitchell's work and the suppleness of Foiled Again's tight harmonies, along with each of their individual vocal power, combine for a richly textured and warmly nuanced hour of musical wonderment that will certainly rank as one of this year's best creations. (****)" CABARET HOTLINE ONLINE: "With great vocal harmonies and wonderful material, Foiled Again will send you home with a smile on your face." Come check it out! It's the perfect way to end the weekend. Call for reservations: 773.278.1830 Davenport's Piano Bar + Cabaret 1383 N Milwaukee Foiled Again is: Allison Bazarko Rob Lindley Anne Sheridan Smith with Mike Descoteaux on piano [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of joni card copy.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:16:08 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" > I almost said Christine....but, isn't this his second Jan? Randy - They have been together for so long and have both gone through 8 1/2 lives that I think she is kind of the "second" (new sober lifetime) Jan. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:31:14 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc movie reviews Sorry Azeem, I think of good movie choices and your name is one that comes to mind. And I just loved the movie - well, maybe not loved, but I sure was engrossed. The style was one thing and it sure hot the genre hard - and the plot was really good, one of the few movies that had me at least a bit surprised here and there and very interested in what would come next. I was - engrossed in a way that I seldom am in a movie. Not what I was expecting at anything I had heard about it. Sorry again, I never heard of Velvet Goldmine by the way. If you hated it I would probably hate it too, but not as much as I hated the Ring and not nearly as much I hate Kangaroo Jack. I am about to watch Ringu, the Japanese movie that the Ring was based on. I have high hopes that the original was better because it was an interesting concept but horrendously delivered in the Ring. . Vince AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 23/04/2003 17:51:36 GMT Daylight Time, > revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > > << Far From heaven - because Azeem and Joseph in Manilla said to >> > > Whoaah, Vince! I haven't seen Far From Heaven, and wouldn't even give > it an "it's probably good based on previous form" sort of > pre-recommendation, as I *hated* Todd Haynes's last film, Velvet > Goldmine, with a vengeance. Everything I've read and seen about Far > From Heaven suggests that I'm unlikely to like it, although of course > that could easily change. > > Azeem in London > > NP: Die Lady Di (name of band, honestly!) - House of Come from a very > strange 3 CD compilation on Dressed To Kill Records called Femme > Fatale, which purports to be a history of women in music. In fact > it's a bizarre mix of old classics (It Might As Well Rain Until > September, Angel Of The Morning, My Baby Just Cares For Me, etc); > out-of-left-field choices by Nico, Marianne Faithfull, June Tabor; > indie hopefuls like Brix Smith, Tracey Thorn and Michelle Shocked; > *total* unknowns like Lucy Cotter, IV Webb, Chloe LeFay, etc; and, > closing the last CD, the mind-boggling prospect of Lee Hazelwood's > lubricious Some Velvet Morning as interpreted by shock-goth > performance artiste Lydia Lunch! I can hardly contain my excitement... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:31:21 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: City slicker - c*ckadoodledoo njc Mack, What a sweet story of the country life! I'm not crazy about eggs but you and Randy's descriptions of the great tasting pale green and pink pastel ones has me reconsidering ;-) I know some people who live here in a semi-rural area and they have always kept a few varieties of roosters (but no chicks) around because they are so pretty. I think some people actually collect different kinds just because they are cool. Is that just a "city" thing or are there other people who collect them kind of like keeping exotic birds? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:07:56 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: City Slicker njc I have always 'known' (ie somebody told me when I was very young) that the chicken eggs we eat are usually not fertilised, so I presume that hens just keep coming up with the eggs no matter what. I've never stopped to think what a strange thing that is though. I take another step back and wonder at the strangeness of eating the fried, unfertilised ova (if I may use that word) of flightless birds. Guess it don't pay to think too much anyhoo. Martin in Lodon. > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:21:00 EDT > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > Subject: City slicker njc > > I was in the country over the Easter week, enabling me to remember what trees > look like. It was brought home to me just how much of a townie I am: I > hadn't realised that hens lay eggs regardless of whether there's a rooster in > town. Am I the only one who didn't know that?? > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: Re: City Slicker njc Martin wrote: > I have always 'known' (ie somebody told me when I was very young) that > the chicken eggs we eat are usually not fertilised, so I presume that > hens just keep coming up with the eggs no matter what. I've never > stopped to think what a strange thing that is though. I take another > step back and wonder at the strangeness of eating the fried, > unfertilised ova (if I may use that word) of flightless birds. > >Guess it don't pay to think too much anyhoo. Yeah, I guess not. I want to know who first watched a chicken laying an egg and thought, "Wow, I bet THAT tastes good!" I remember a neighbour when I was young, cracking an egg (luckily into a cup) and finding a baby chicken, albeit not in very good shape! And this was back in the days when battery farms were still the accepted norm. I guess the rooster snuck into the barn one night.... or one of those chickens was hiding something! Hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #256 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)