From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #255 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 255 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! ["Yensen, Stephen" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #254 Nina simone [Chorando6@aol.com] The second song on Court & Spark [AzeemAK@aol.com] RE: "Under the thumb of the maid" [Deb Messling ] Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! [Susan Guzzi ] Re: NJC -- Nina Simone, RIP -- "High Priestess of Soul" today [Murphycopy] Re: Call for an Acronyms help guide [FMYFL@aol.com] Case of You/Prince [anne-smith@att.net] Vine Offer: Joni & James Taylor 10/29/70 London [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" JC ["Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" ] CORRECTED Vine Offer: Joni & James Taylor 10/29/70 London [CDTraderJohn@a] CSN first album, CSN "Daylight Again" and "Court and Spark" ["Emily Grisk] More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC [dsk ] Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC [dsk ] Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC ["mike pritchard" ] City slicker njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Stryngs ~ 'The Thrill Of Maintaining Momentum' NJC ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Re: City slicker njc [hell ] Re: City slicker njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Joni mentions in "Performing Songwriter," "The New York Times" ["Timothy ] Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC ["kakki" ] Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" ["kakki" ] Trouble child - peacocks, maids, etc. [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:18:50 +0100 From: "Yensen, Stephen" Subject: Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! Actually, I never listen to her any other way. Get yourself a pair of the highest quality headphones you can afford. You won't regret it! Sennheiser's HD 280 Professional headphones are excellent! Cheers, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:23:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" Mark or Travis wrote: >Stephen Toogood wrote: > > >>I always though that the maid referred to a nurse in the sterilized >>room. >> >>Steve T >> >> >> > >This has always been my take on it. > > >The second verse gives more glimpses of this guy's illness. He feels >alone & unloved. People come & go and nothing lasts or turns out >right. He feels his humanity slipping away. Everyone he knows is >either critical of him or wants something from him. He breaks. Like >the waves at Malibu. > i think your take is very plausible.I just wouldn't describe it as an 'illness'. It seems to natural response to the pressures he is under(or she). If someone is being forced to be soemthing they are not, if their self is under such threat, then they will react. Labelling it as illness is part of the power play. imo. bw colin > >That's what I think, anyway. > >Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:54:38 EDT From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2003 #254 Nina simone Bless nina. My Father always promised me we would live in france. Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:58:29 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: The second song on Court & Spark If memory serves, I don't want to use the "H" word in the heading... Anyway, what with all this talk of Trouble Child, what can I do but go back to C&S, and something that I've been aware of for a while, and which I find increasingly fascinating. Is it just me, or does Joni rather swallow the words "but not" on the last line of each verse ("but not like you/we love your/our freedom"), each time she sings it? I think this could be a brilliantly subtle device: the line doesn't change radically in meaning if those two words are left out; this reading would suggest that lovin' and freedom are equally attractive. Those two words, "but not", add a piquancy and shift the balance, to make it clear that freedom is actually the priority for Joni and her feckless lover. Letting my imagination, run away, I can just about imagine that Joni sang the line that way to fool listeners, or at least so that they didn't fully "get" the line first time; people covering the song might miss it too, so that Joni, sitting in the corner unnoticed, could give her companion a conspiratorial wink. It's like one of those little signs that painters put in a painting to make it harder to counterfeit their work. Ah, I believe that the exquisite arrangements and singing on this album have allowed me to pay less attention to the lyrics on the whole album, which are as brilliant as on the two albums that followed it. Azeem in London NP: Twisted (which sounds a little irritating now after what has gone before, despite her superb vocals and the ironic light the song throws on Trouble Child0 PS Why isn't there a credit for "acoustic guitar" in the musician name-checks? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 06:58:29 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: "Under the thumb of the maid" I always read this line quite literally, as someone who feels so powerless they are even pushed around by the hired help. Like Rebecca and Mrs. Danvers. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: JONI ON HEADPHONES!! A WHOLE NEW WORLD!! Hey Ken! I think "Car On A Hill" is a GREAT jazz tune. And although Joni had been edging that way in earlier pieces, this is the one that announces her arrival. The opening bars musically & instrumetally are classic jazz. The lyrics are uncharacteristically simplstic, as far as our Joan goes. And I think Joni's singing is as easy and naturally jazzy as it had been up till then. Also, think of other great jazz singers doing this song - Nina Simone for one. Sorry we won't get to hear that one. I also love the "pan" as it goes in one ear and out the other ... putting a rare positive outlook on that terminology. I think this song would make another great standard and if not a standard, then I would love to hear more jazz efficianados cover this ... of the great ones left. This also is one of those I hear, not only at "Starbucks" but in my local chain supermarkets - AND often I might add! Ken thanks for bringing this one up and liked your term "pan" - whether its correct or not - it's perfect for my taste. Peace, Susan - --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > Car On A Hill's doppler effects are wonderful, Kev! And as the tones bend > and fall away, the effect is further enhanced by the sound moving from one > ear to the other, a technique that I think is called a "pan" in recording > lingo. (Does anyone know if that is the correct term?) > > When you listen to FTR in headphones, you can hear Joni's nails tapping > against the ivory keys during the instrumental break on Let the Wind Carry > Me, and again on Judgment of the Moon and Stars. Don't you just love those > surface noises? > > Has anyone noticed the little "whooooo" Joni gives at the very close of Two > Grey Rooms? I just noticed this the other day and I have been listening to > that record since the day it was released! > > Ken The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2040 05:59:23 +0000 From: emil thompson Subject: Call for an Acronyms help guide Ok maybe I'm just a bit slow or something but it takes me feckin ages to figure out what song or album some of them are referring to : STAS what is that ? could someone point me to a definitive list of them . Forgive me for being such a philistine. best emil A.F.A (another friggin acronym). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:30:23 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- Nina Simone, RIP -- "High Priestess of Soul" today Catherine writes: << She probably had the nerve to die just before deadline (the paper's that is.) Obits with a lot more information will be forthcoming. >> Right you are, Catherine. Here's today's obit form the same source: Jazz Great Nina Simone Dies at 70 By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY The Associated Press Monday, April 21, 2003; 10:18 PM NEW YORK - Nina Simone, whose deep, raspy, forceful voice made her a unique figure in jazz and later helped chronicle the civil rights movement, died Monday at her home in France, according to her personal manager. She was 70. Clifton Henderson, who was at Simone's bedside at her death, said she died of "natural causes" in her sleep after a long illness. He refused to provide the name of the town where she lived. "She inspired other singers to do what they believed in," Henderson said, saying the musician would also be remembered for her activism. "She'll definitely be looked at as a civil rights movement leader." Norah Jones, India.Arie, Peter Gabriel, Sade and Aretha Franklin, who rerecorded one of Simone's most famous songs, the anthem "To Be Young, Gifted and Black," were among the artists who cited her as an influence. "She was ahead of her time as a concert-level piano player who sang, wrote and spoke her mind," India.Arie wrote in an email to The Associated Press. "I aspire to be more like her." Born Eunice Kathleen Waymon in 1933 in North Carolina, Simone was one of eight children in a poor family. She began playing the piano at age 4 and was classically trained, attending the Juilliard School in New York for one year. She had hoped to attend the prestigious Curtis Institute of Music in Philadelphia, but was rejected - one of many disappointments she would attribute to racism. She turned to singing jazz and popular music as a way to make money, performing in nightclubs in Philadelphia and Atlantic City, N.J. In the late 1950s Simone recorded her first tracks, including "Plain Gold Ring" and "Don't Smoke in Bed." But she gained fame in 1959 with her recording of "I Loves You Porgy," from the opera "Porgy & Bess." Simone later wove the turbulent times of the 1960s into her music. In 1963, after the church bombing that killed four young black girls in Birmingham, Ala., and the slaying of Medgar Evers, she wrote "Mississippi Goddam," whose searing lyrics included the lines: "Oh but this whole country is full of lies, You're all gonna die and die like flies." After the killing of The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., she recorded "Why? The King of Love Is Dead." "That's what separated Nina from the other singers," friend and jazz concert promoter George Wein told the AP on Monday. "Nina took civil rights and the movement, the fight to another level, and made it part of her persona." In a 1998 interview, Simone blamed racism in the United States for her decision to live abroad, saying that as a black person, she had "paid a heavy price for fighting the establishment." She left the United States in 1973 and lived in the Caribbean and Africa before settling in Europe. She didn't return to the United States until 1985 for a series of concerts. Wein said she was extremely bitter. "She was a black woman who never could relate to the position of what it was to be black in America. She couldn't understand it," he said. "She was an unhappy person." Simone enjoyed perhaps her greatest success in the 1960s and '70s, with songs such as "I Want a Little Sugar in My Bowl" and "Four Women," a song about four black woman with varying skin colors and lifestyles. One of the verses reads, "My skin is brown-And my manner is tough-I'll kill the first mother I see ... What do they call me? My name is PEACHES." Though she was a gifted songwriter, Simone also recorded songs from artists as diverse as Leonard Cohen and the Bee Gees and made them her own. Perhaps one of her more popular covers was her version of "House of the Rising Sun." While she had a regal presence onstage, she could often be temperamental; she had a reputation for chewing out audience members who interrupted her performances with conversation or loud drinking or talking. "As an entertainer, she had the world in her hands, but she never knew how to grab it," said Wein. Sometimes called "High Priestess of Soul," she remained a top concert draw in her later years. However, she was quite frail. At a 2001 concert at Carnegie Hall, she had to be helped to the stage, and was later seen sitting backstage in a wheelchair. Yet Wein called the performance, which ran a little over an hour, one of her greatest. Fans wildly applauded every song, and demanded an encore after she left the stage - to which Simone responded by returning and shouting, "Go home!" "This was one of the most amazing evenings I had ever seen in my years," he said. Simone, who was divorced twice, is survived by a daughter, Lisa - a singer who goes by Simone. She's starring in Broadway's "Aida" and has recorded with the group Liquid Soul. ) 2003 The Associated Press ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:14:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Call for an Acronyms help guide emil writes: > STAS > what is that ? could someone point me to a definitive list of them . > Here's the list that Les sends you when you first sub to the list. Of course people have added there own since then. {{{Catherine, this is for you too :~) }}} Happy Earth Day! Jimmy NJC - No Joni Content SJC - Some Joni/Small Joni Content VLJC - Very Little Joni Content IMHO - In My Humble Opinion (sometimes IMO) BTW - By The Way LOL - Laughing Out Loud ROTFL - Rolling On the Floor Laughing NP - Now Playing jimdle - a list member STAS - "Song To A Seagull" LOTC - "Ladies of the Canyon" FTR - "For The Roses" C&S - "Court and Spark" MOA - "Miles of Aisles" THOSL - "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" DJRD - "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" SAL - "Shadows and Light" WTRF - "Wild Things Run Fast" CMIARS - "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm" DED - "Dog Eat Dog" NRH - "Night Ride Home" TI - "Turbulent Indigo" TTT - "Taming the Tiger" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:34:33 +0000 From: anne-smith@att.net Subject: Case of You/Prince I have just listened to "A case of you" by Prince. Fabulous , he pares down the lyrics to a minimalist level and sings it with so much soulfulness. Better than Joni's version. No , what could be she sings this song so well, but 10/10 for a great re work . Does anyone have a view on this one ? Best wishes, Paul Headon From Wales Hey Paul, I have no opinion because i've never heard it. What album is it on? i love Prince and am not surprised that his version is so moving. Have a great day, Anne Sheridan Smith From Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:23:25 EDT From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: Vine Offer: Joni & James Taylor 10/29/70 London Please read this ENTIRE MESSAGE before responding to this offer. Please retain this e-mail for future reference. You will need it when you reoffer this Perma-Vine disc to the next recipient. This is a Perma-Vine offer for the wonderful Joni Mitchell & James Taylor show which was recorded by the BBC on 10/29/70. It contains all the songs from the original BBC transcription disc, plus some additional Aircheck tracks from the same performance. In order to participate in this Perma-Vine you MUST be able to burn a copy of the vine disc for yourself (you may NOT keep the vine disc). You must then reoffer the ORIGINAL VINE DISC on JMDL and forward it onto the next recipient within a few days of your receipt. It must be reofferred exclusively on the JMDL list. Should a point come when there is NO response on JMDL after TWO postings, you may offer this Perma-Vine disc to another group but you MUST post that information on JMDL so others will know of the change. ******** NOTE: In addition to being able to burn a copy for yourself, YOU FURTHER AGREE to burn at least one copy for a burnerless JMDL member and offer it through a posting on the group. You may, if you desire, offer copies to more than one person. ******** This show was recorded at peak moments in both artists' careers -- Joni working on the songs that would become "Blue" and James having success with the recently released "Sweet baby James". This is a very memorable performance. Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni NOTE: This offer is being made as a Perma-Vine to ensure that all participants, no matter how far down the line, have the opportunity to obtain a clean, glitch-free copy of this wonderful show. If this offer goes well, I intend to offer more shows here in the future. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have! John Epstein CDTraderJohn@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:30:50 -0400 From: "Lama-Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" JC I thought this song is about being in therapy. If you read the words, there's a lot of medical imagery. For "maid" I think metaphorically: Psycho-therapy under the control of a woman who straightens up and helps to put things in order. Joni's usually more literal than that though. Two cents, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:35:57 GMT From: Ruth Davis Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" The phrase "under the thumb of the maid" also makes me think of the line from Sire of sorrow, "but now the janitors of shadowland flick their brooms at me." Like the subject of the song is so beat and so low that anyone can take potshots at him/her. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:32:49 EDT From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: CORRECTED Vine Offer: Joni & James Taylor 10/29/70 London Obvious(?) lesson of the day: Don't hit the send button until you've COMPLETED your message! (see third + sixth paragraph, and P.S. for changes) Please read this ENTIRE MESSAGE before responding to this offer. Please retain this e-mail for future reference. You will need it when you reoffer this Perma-Vine disc to the next recipient. I will accept at least six Perma-Viners who respond to this message with their complete name and mailing address, their promise to reoffer the vine disc promptly, and their promise to burn at least one copy for a burnerless member. Depending upon the responses I receive, I will attempt to designate discs by region (US, Canada, Europe, etc.) in order to prevent long postal delays between viners. However, if, when you reoffer, you do not get a response from within your region, you may offer to a JMDL member in any region. This is a Perma-Vine offer for the wonderful Joni Mitchell & James Taylor show which was recorded by the BBC on 10/29/70. It contains all the songs from the original BBC transcription disc, plus some additional Aircheck tracks from the same performance. In order to participate in this Perma-Vine you MUST be able to burn a copy of the vine disc for yourself (you may NOT keep the vine disc). You must then reoffer the ORIGINAL VINE DISC on JMDL and forward it onto the next recipient within a few days of your receipt. It must be reofferred exclusively on the JMDL list. Should a point come when there is NO response on JMDL after TWO postings, you may offer this Perma-Vine disc to another group but you MUST post that information on JMDL so others will know of the change. ******** NOTE: In addition to being able to burn a copy for yourself, YOU FURTHER AGREE to burn at least one copy for a burnerless JMDL member and offer it through a posting on the group. You may, if you desire, offer copies to more than one person. You may also trade this show, but only after you have forwarded the ORIGINAL vine disc to the next recipient. ******** This show was recorded at peak moments in both artists' careers -- Joni working on the songs that would become "Blue" and James having success with the recently released "Sweet baby James". This is a very memorable performance. Here is the track information: 1) That Song About the Midway Joni 2) The Gallery Joni 3) Rainy Day Man James 4) Steamroller Blues James 5) The Priest Joni 6) Carey Joni 7) Carolina in My Mind James 8) California Joni + James 9) For Free Joni + James 10) The Circle Game Joni + James 11) You Can Close Your Eyes Joni + James 12) Hunter Joni 13) River Joni 14) My Old Man Joni 15) A Case of You Joni 16) Carey (unedited intro) Joni NOTE: This offer is being made as a Perma-Vine to ensure that all participants, no matter how far down the line, have the opportunity to obtain a clean, glitch-free copy of this wonderful show. If this offer goes well, I intend to offer more shows here in the future. I hope you enjoy it as much as I have! John Epstein CDTraderJohn@aol.com P.S. -- If anyone can provide me with cloned source discs, or very low generation copies, of early (pre '74) Joni show for future vines, I'd sure appreciate it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 19:51:18 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: CSN first album, CSN "Daylight Again" and "Court and Spark" I found the first CSN album in my dad's tape collection when I was a junior in high school and borrowed it until I moved out. When I did move out, I went to Best Buy and bought my own CD of it. That was almost four years ago and I still listen to it often. "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" is my favorite, but "Guinnevere" is also excellent. I decided not to bring his copy of "Daylight Again" back with me. It was a little too adult-contemporary for me. However, I really loved "Too Much Love to Hide" and "Since I Met You," even though their lyrics are really trite. Dad also copied "Court and Spark" for me, and it's excellent. "Raised on Robbery" is my favorite. - -Emily ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:43:24 -0400 From: dsk Subject: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC kakki wrote [about Joan Didion's "Slouching Toward Bethlehem"]: > > It was written in 1968. I have only looked through it, too, and read some > of her short stories over the years. It sure sounds like her but Mike tells > me I am incorrect! Oh, good, then I have a few more decades in which to get around to reading Ms. Didion... > So it's back to the thinking cap ;-) And I'm back to thinking Mike's quotes are the observations of some hard-boiled gritty LA detective character, maybe Lew Archer. So after Raymond Chandler, my next leap of a guess is something by Ross MacDonald, maybe "The Drowning Pool" (an answer influenced by the HOSL photo of Joni in her swimming pool, even though she's having a dandy time and not drowning... but there IS an LA pool involved). Since the (Easy) answer to Mike's question is still a mystery to me (no, no, don't tell me!), here are some other mind-bogglers (to pass the time while waiting for Joni to write and record her new tunes): 1. What's the only word in the English language that does not rhyme with another word? 2. What's the only word in the English language that has three pairs of letters in it? 3. A gardener has 10 trees and wants to plant 5 rows of 4 trees each. How does the gardener do that? Debra Shea, about to put on those Irish McCabes again and risk going crazy... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:49:34 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC In a message dated 4/22/2003 2:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > 2. What's the only word in the English language that has three pairs of > letters in it? > > BOOKKEEPING? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:59:02 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC Yes! I was thinking bookkeeper, but your form of the word works also (so there are two words...). I now virtually and with great honor present you with your gold star for the day... Debra Shea KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/22/2003 2:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > > > 2. What's the only word in the English language that has three pairs of > > letters in it? > > BOOKKEEPING? > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:12:24 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: RE: "Under the thumb of the maid" Mark E: I never tried to analyze the song until T'log. I agree with Mark's take on it. Plus this line: "Dragon shining with all values known Dazzling you-keeping you from your own Where is the lion in you to defy him " I see the dragon as hallucinations or delusions which trouble child can't defy. But now I see this kind of Chinese New Year thing going on: dragons, lions :~) peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:12:59 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" In a message dated 4/22/2003 3:07:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, davidsapp@peoplepc.com writes: > I see the dragon as hallucinations or delusions which trouble child can't > defy. But now I see this kind of Chinese New Year thing going on: dragons, > lions :~) > David Crosby is a Leo !!! Joni, would you please return my phone call and tell me who "Trouble Child" is about? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:15:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC dsk wrote: > > 1. What's the only word in the English language that does not rhyme with > another word? I suspect there are more than one, but "orange" for starters > > 2. What's the only word in the English language that has three pairs of > letters in it? committee > > > 3. A gardener has 10 trees and wants to plant 5 rows of 4 trees each. > How does the gardener do that? (s)he plants them in a five-pointed star shape, with a tree at each point, and a tree where each line crosses. > > > Debra Shea, > about to put on those Irish McCabes again and risk going crazy... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:27:47 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" re: Trouble Child Some things that point to Crosby: "dragon shining with all values known" could refer to opiates- a common reference "where is the lion in you to defy 'em" Crosby is a Leo and looks like one! "the peacock is afraid to parade" Peacock image in Guinnevere "under the thumb of a maid" could refer to Crosby's inability to get past the death of his lady. Could also be an oblique reference to drugs. "Lady" is a nickname for cocaine, which he was involved with (to put it mildly) "the waves at Malibu" "a river of changing faces looking for an ocean" the ocean figures heavily in Crosby's life and songs "why does it come as such a shock to know you really have no one" another reference to Jan's death? The song does seem to refer to someone hospitalized, I don't know if this relates to Crosby's history or not. It's been years since I read the book. Sherlock Remote. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:39:10 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC Well, excellent!!! Let me dip into my gold star box again! :-) And looks like I'll have to revise/rethink that second question. What are the three (or more) words in the English language... (not nearly as dramatic a premise as the ONE word)... or add the phrase "in a row" to "3 pairs of letters"... or just find another briefly mind-boggling question to ask sometime.... And as far as I know, the word "orange" is the only word that no other word in English rhymes with. Randy, since you're 3 for 3, any ideas about the author of Mike's quotes? Debra Shea Randy Remote wrote: > > dsk wrote: > > > 1. What's the only word in the English language that does not rhyme with > > another word? > > I suspect there are more than one, but "orange" for starters > > > 2. What's the only word in the English language that has three pairs of > > letters in it? > > committee > > > 3. A gardener has 10 trees and wants to plant 5 rows of 4 trees each. > > How does the gardener do that? > > (s)he plants them in a five-pointed star shape, with a tree at > each point, and a tree where each line crosses. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:38:35 -0700 From: Rick Subject: Blender's 500 The current Blender magazine has a list of "The 500 CDs you must own before you die." Joni made the cut with "Blue" and "Court And Spark". However, in the accompanying article "13 CDs to not touch with a ten-foot pole" she also scores with "Travelogue". Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:20:59 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC dsk wrote: > Randy, since you're 3 for 3, any ideas about the author of Mike's quotes? No, I will quit while I'm ahead. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:25:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: I'll be seeing you NJC hey all, checking in to say hello, and let all the nyc jmdlers know that i'll be in town from april 26th to may 4th for work with some play time if anybody wants to get together. email me off list. happy birthday to all the birthday kids i've missed lately, too, like ann (great news about your health, by the way, too!) and crap i can't remember others but i know there have been some! love and stuff, alison e. in slc np: jack neilson (thanks pazzy) The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:53:26 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC Hi Debra, Your original guess was better. You were half right then. Now you're totally wrong. If you think about your original guess it will become clear which half is right and which is not. Then you can take it from there. mike (who picked up Joan Didion's 'Slouching towards Bethlehem' for less than a dollar this evening) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dsk" To: "kakki" Cc: ; "mike pritchard" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:43 PM Subject: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC > kakki wrote [about Joan Didion's "Slouching Toward Bethlehem"]: > > > > It was written in 1968. I have only looked through it, too, and read some > > of her short stories over the years. It sure sounds like her but Mike tells > > me I am incorrect! > > Oh, good, then I have a few more decades in which to get around to > reading Ms. Didion... > > > So it's back to the thinking cap ;-) > > And I'm back to thinking Mike's quotes are the observations of some > hard-boiled gritty LA detective character, maybe Lew Archer. So after > Raymond Chandler, my next leap of a guess is something by Ross > MacDonald, maybe "The Drowning Pool" (an answer influenced by the HOSL > photo of Joni in her swimming pool, even though she's having a dandy > time and not drowning... but there IS an LA pool involved). > > Since the (Easy) answer to Mike's question is still a mystery to me (no, > no, don't tell me!), here are some other mind-bogglers (to pass the time > while waiting for Joni to write and record her new tunes): > > 1. What's the only word in the English language that does not rhyme with > another word? > > 2. What's the only word in the English language that has three pairs of > letters in it? > > 3. A gardener has 10 trees and wants to plant 5 rows of 4 trees each. > How does the gardener do that? > > Debra Shea, > about to put on those Irish McCabes again and risk going crazy... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:21:00 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: City slicker njc I was in the country over the Easter week, enabling me to remember what trees look like. It was brought home to me just how much of a townie I am: I hadn't realised that hens lay eggs regardless of whether there's a rooster in town. Am I the only one who didn't know that?? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 23:35:20 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Stryngs ~ 'The Thrill Of Maintaining Momentum' NJC This is my review of the Stryngs album which I've been listening to constantly, for a few months now. The band are:- Sarah Stringer (Strings) ~ Vocals & Lyrics Martin Giles (our very own) ~ Acoustic Guitar, Piano, Backing Vocals & Music Chris Marshall (also our very own) ~ Fretted & Fretless Bass Such original poetry that is both sophisticated and emotional: "She had the face of an elderly child, and a mind muddied by the feet of angels and demons in a bloody tug-of-war" (from 'Handful Of Pills/Armful Of Peace) sung with so much conviction. A lovely voice that really hovers on the low notes. Strings is a good story teller too, which is proven on 'Franks Song'; a heart breaking true story that can make you cry. The music here is also superb and very well played. Martin sounds some very interesting guitar chords with a variant of different styles; the playing on 'Trick Of The Light' is super smooth. Chris, really shows how bass can sound with his very distinctive style, and really rocks especially on 'That Night' (The first line on that track alone is pure poetry: "That night the artist drew conclusions"). And not to forget Anna McElligot who plays violin on most of the tracks which soars up and down beautifully. This is demonstrated very well on 'Ivory White Alibis'. The reoccurring theme through out the album seems to be self worth and believing in yourself. The most uplifting song 'Convince' highlights this: "You're worth the ground you stand on; and you're worth the air that you breathe; worth the effort of your mother's troubled labour; worth every smile you receive." If you like music that comes from the heart and mind (well you obviously do), I recommend this. Check out stryngs.com Steve T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Call for an Acronyms help guide njc --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > emil writes: > > > STAS > > what is that ? could someone point me to a > definitive list of them . > > > > Here's the list that Les sends you when you first > sub to the list. Of course > people have added there own since then. > {{{Catherine, this is for you too :~) > }}} Nanananananana! I'm not listening- I'm not leeesteniiinnng1 (remember that one? fingers in ears? making lots of noise to drown out what you just don't want to hear?) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:21:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: "Under the thumb of the maid" --- "J.David Sapp" wrote: > > I see the dragon as hallucinations or delusions > which trouble child can't > defy. But now I see this kind of Chinese New Year > thing going on: dragons, > lions :~) Funny you should mention that. I was thinking of Chinese New Year too and wondering whether the TC was born in a year of the dragon. I think of the Maid as being something more symbolic, and not "la bonne" who cleans the room. To me, the Maid is perhaps the virginal, well-behaved meek adn mild, side of the TC currently controlling the other rowdier aspects of TC's personality (with the aid of Rx drugs, of course.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: City slicker njc --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I was in the country over the Easter week, enabling > me to remember what trees > look like. It was brought home to me just how much > of a townie I am: I > hadn't realised that hens lay eggs regardless of > whether there's a rooster in > town. Am I the only one who didn't know that?? > This is something I only became aware of myself not that long ago. I don't really get it though. Are there any chicken farmers on the list? We've had beekeepers, so who knows? Is it a case of chickens ovulating outside their bodies? When the hell do the things get fertilized then? Do chickens have sex? if not, why are the bloody roosters always crowing and showing off? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: hell Subject: Re: Re: City slicker njc Catherine wrote: > This is something I only became aware of myself not > that long ago. I don't really get it though. Are there > any chicken farmers on the list? We've had beekeepers, > so who knows? Is it a case of chickens ovulating > outside their bodies? When the hell do the things get > fertilized then? Do chickens have sex? if not, why are > the bloody roosters always crowing and showing off? Without getting too graphic, female humans "lay eggs" once a month, and they're usually unfertilised..... and I could mention a similarity between roosters and human males showing off, but I won't! All this reminds me of a joke, though. A man walks into a bar, and sees an attractive woman. He walks up to her and delivers his "best" pick-up line, "So, how do you like your eggs in the morning?" Her reply: "Unfertilised." Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:49:25 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: City slicker njc Catherine asks: << Do chickens have sex? >> Yes. That's why they're alway crossing roads. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:39:41 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni mentions in "Performing Songwriter," "The New York Times" "Performing Songwriter" has shown up at my local newsstand for the first time in the form of the March/April 2003 issue (it is published 8 times a year). One of the articles is about Larry Klein, and is billed on the cover "Larry Klein and the production secrets of Joni Mitchell," and in the index, "Klein on 20 years of working with musicians including Shawn Colvin and Joni Mitchell." The Tools of the Trade department page on Guitars features larry Carlton, and includes: " ... he points to a song from one of his most memorable sessions, Joni Mitchell's 'Court and Spark.' Carlton says, 'I think there's a very good example of how to think like an arranger. When Joni sings, "Help me, I think I'm falling," I do a rake across the strings, and it makes her next phrase - -- "in love again" -- really cool becuse she has a chrod to sit down on.' " And one of the Features (the Klein piece is a Feature, too) is "Rosanne Cash, the Voice of a Writer." Rosanne lists five albums as essention listening: "Blue" (Joni Mitchell), "With the Beatles" and "Revolver" (both: Beatles), "The Essential Johnny Cash" (Johny Cash) and "Kind of Blue (Miles Davis). The Sunday, April 13, New York Times, Section 2, Arts and Leisure, contained a review -- by David Hajdu, author of "Positively 4th Street" (the book about Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Mimi Baez Farina and Richard Farina) -- of "A Mighty Wind," a mockumentary which does for folk music what "Spinal Tap" did for heavy-metal rock. Hajdu's review describes the three musical groups depicted in the movie and their real-life prototypes, and then names three waves of authentic musicians in the folk scene whom the movie doesn't acknowledge. Joni is among those in the third wave (along with Dylan, Baez and others). Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:43:34 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: More questions (was Re: swishing chippendales) NJC O.K. I flunked but for extra credit I will prepare an essay on how the pool paintings of David Hockney also partly inspired Joni's work on HOSL. (splash) Kakki, secretly harboring a desire to be the next Raymond Chandler ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:46:21 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: City slicker njc I didn't know that, either, until I was sent off to visit an uncle's farm one summer. I think they only keep the roosters around as an alarm clock ;-) Kakki >I hadn't realised that hens lay eggs regardless of whether there's a rooster in > town. Am I the only one who didn't know that?? > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:55:30 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: "Under the thumb of the maid" Great analysis Randy but: > another reference to Jan's death? Jan is his wife and quite alive and well! Christine is the one he lost. Crosby has said that "Guinnivere" is about three different ladies - the speculation is Christine, Joni and the other is a mystery not yet revealed. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Trouble child - peacocks, maids, etc. Further to my speculation about the "peacock" and the "maid" as archetypes of some kind, possibly Jungian or Tarot-related, I did a search and came up with a few things to support this (even if Joni didn't mean it this way, it's still kind of cool): Juno (in the Roman mythology, or Hera in the Greek) was both the sister and the wife of Jupiter (or Zeus in Greek) (talk about family ties). She is, among other things, the goddess of marriage. Her favourite bird was the peacock - according to fable, the peacock asked Juno to make him special so he'd stand out from the other birds. Juno granted his wish by giving him the beautiful tail feathers we all know. In return, however, the peacock had to give something up - his ability to fly as other birds could. In a Tarot deck is a card called the High Priestess. She is often represented by the Egyptian goddess Isis, or the Greek Artemis - Artemis is a huntress and a virgin. In some Tarot decks, instead of Artemis, the goddess Juno is used to symbolize the High Priestess. Tarot uses archetypes and symbols. So does Jung. If the peacock is afraid to parade, maybe it's because the maid (Juno) keeps him on a short leash (nice tail, no can fly.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:59:46 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Call for an Acronyms help guide njc > Nanananananana! I'm not listening- I'm not > leeesteniiinnng1 (remember that one? fingers in ears? > making lots of noise to drown out what you just don't > want to hear?) You mean INL right! ;-) Victor Victor Johnson waytoblu@mindspring.com Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 00:12:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: april 22 (njc) WELL YES THE BF MAY BE FORGETFUL TOO. SHUT UP. ok. (trumpets and lesser fairies get ready please) the BF magnificent in all its GLORY and FORGETFULNESS wishes to address the jmdl: the BF says: NOW HEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAR THIS: H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG BIG WALT!!!!!!!!!! (message from wally has been inserted. message reads: "i hope i WILL be your ambassador this year". end of message.) mortals salute big walt NOW. BF flutters away. lesser fairies shall pick up the pieces, please. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #255 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)