From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #248 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 248 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Simple Twist of Fate (Bob Dylan) [OzWoman321@aol.com] RE: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc [colin ] When I Was a Boy (Dar Williams) njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Can anyone lend a copy of WOHAM? [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Pazfest now available on CDBaby [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: FW: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: OVA njc ["Lori Fye" ] Paradise Lost, and raiding my dad's tape collection ["Emily Griskavich" <] Paradise Lost, and raiding my dad's tape collection ["Emily Griskavich" <] Apologies (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Apologies (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Apologies (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] I got yer Joni content right here! [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: I got yer Joni content right here! ["Maggie McNally" ] re: can anyone lend me a copy of WOHAM? [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Re: OVA njc [] Re: OVA njc ["Lori Fye" ] Woman Of Heart & Mind DVD [Bob Shemkovitz ] Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind DVD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [Les Irvin ] Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind DVD [Bob Shemkovitz ] RE: NJC, RE: OVA njc ["Heather" ] Re: OVA njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Re: OVA njc [] Re: OVA njc ["Lori Fye" ] RE: NJC, [Catherine McKay ] Re: OVA njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc [colin ] Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) [colin ] Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: OVA njc [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: OVA njc ["theodore" ] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: not about OVA, Heather is now SHAME-FREE njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: not about OVA, Heather is now SHAME-FREE and I am not njc [Murphycopy] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:29:38 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Simple Twist of Fate (Bob Dylan) Hello, All - Azeem stated: > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:48:48 EDT > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > Subject: Re: When I Was a Boy (Dar Williams) njc > > It's pretty risky calling your album When I Was A Boy, this also being the > title of one of the half dozen greatest albums made in the 90s. Jane > Siberry's masterpiece is a very hard act to follow. Nobody would be > foolish > enough to call an album Astral Weeks, or Hounds Of Love, or Oops I Did It > Again, now would they? I just did a bit of research on this: Dar's album, The Honesty Room, which included the *song* When I Was a Boy, was orginally released in 1993 on Dar's own label and then picked up by Waterbug Records before being released in 1995 on Razor & Tie. Jane Siberry's *album*, When I Was a Boy (with no song of the same name), was also released in 1993. This looks to be a simple case of coincidence - scroll about halfway down in the following link (http://darwilliams.net/FAQ.html), and it says the same thing. What's that old saying? - great minds think alike? :-) Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "Sometimes the truth is like a second chance..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:37:55 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) Anne wrote:- > When I am personally offended by a post or thread, I > just press Delete, as I did with the OVA thread. BUT, > some folks on this list might not be that lucky. Some > companies screen incoming emails for certain words. The > contents of the OVA thread would be grounds in some > corporations for dismissal of the recipient. Through the course of security training work that I do, it's clear that most big companies here in the UK would not even now tolerate work e-mail subscriptions to a list such as this, regardless of content. The line taken is that its misuse of company resources (both IT resources and time on the part of the employee) since it's not work-related. As a rule of thumb: if you're not allowed to get to Hotmail or Yahoo mail or whatever from your work desk, you probably shouldn't be subscribed to the Joni list at your work e-mail address. If you can do Hotmail/Yahoo mail from your desk, subscribe to the list there and ditch the work sub. Much less ammo for clueless pointy-haried-boss types... Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:48:26 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc kerry wrote: >. > >I'm a little confused because I don't remember endless threads about male >body parts. > you aren;'t the only one kerry. perhaps we went to sleep..... >Wasn't most of the discussion about sex between children and adults?!? > >Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:53:58 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc > Where's your moral outrage in those cases? > > > I reserve that particular energy for serious stuff like war, abuse, murder, oppression etc I have niether time nor inclincation to get my knickers in a twist over vulgarity..... Vulgarity paels into isignificance comapred to the evils of this world. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:23:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: When I Was a Boy (Dar Williams) njc this is the name of her song, but not of the album.. www.katebennett.com "Lyrically, it's a work of art overall. Brilliant writing, absolutely." Indie-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:24:44 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: FW: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) Sorry Anne , I got carried away. I thought the game was to be as rude as possible. So I just went huge, really the whole thing was meant to be obviously offensive and lame. A caricature of lameness and hence funniness sort of rides the coat tails. I guess some people don't recognize comedy even when it smacks them across the chops, grabs them by the feet, flips them upside down, shakes all the fillings out of their heads, and takes their American Express card on a shopping spree ... remember laughter people? Does anyone remember laughter? Where are the clowns? Is it a tragedy of correctness, Ted "tears of a clown" Friedman - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of anne@sandstrom.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:55 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) When I am personally offended by a post or thread, I just press Delete, as I did with the OVA thread. BUT, some folks on this list might not be that lucky. Some companies screen incoming emails for certain words. The contents of the OVA thread would be grounds in some corporations for dismissal of the recipient. Plese be considerate when posting and keep this fact in mind. (I'm not suggesting censorship, just thoughtfulnees towards the other members of the JMDL.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:02:24 +0100 From: "Yensen, Stephen" Subject: Re: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) Actually, I had a verbal warning from my IT department yesterday :-( Sometimes the posts here make me feel I want to physically vomit - but I'm still hanging on, but only just. Going to "Joni-only" isn't likely to make much difference - sometimes NJC is withheld from the message header - deliberately or otherwise. If Joni herself read this list I think she'd be appalled at all the bullsh*t ... Anne sez: When I am personally offended by a post or thread, I just press Delete, as I did with the OVA thread. BUT, some folks on this list might not be that lucky. Some companies screen incoming emails for certain words. The contents of the OVA thread would be grounds in some corporations for dismissal of the recipient. Plese be considerate when posting and keep this fact in mind. (I'm not suggesting censorship, just thoughtfulnees towards the other members of the JMDL.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:37:42 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) > Sometimes the posts here make me feel I want to physically > vomit - but I'm > still hanging on, but only just. Going to "Joni-only" isn't > likely to make > much difference - sometimes NJC is withheld from the message header - > deliberately or otherwise. That's pretty rare these days: so realistically, it'd make a huge difference if you're concerned about this stuff at work. As you should be working where you do: big companies are increasingly less and less understanding about personal use of things like e-mail. They don't see it as an analogue of the phone system any more. > If Joni herself read this list I think she'd be appalled at > all the bullsh*t I don't think so, actually. "All the bullsh*t" is kinda harsh when you can divide content up into three or four broad-brush categories:- 1. Joni content 2. Music content but not about Joni 3. Other content (random but inoffensive) 4. Stuff that's actually mananged to offend folk 4 is something that does indeed happen, but most stuff that's genuinely been really offensive has been either (a) politics (and we've just about got that dealt with now) or (b) humour gone wrong. In both cases neither is usually a genuine desire to offend people. So I rather think that the bullsh*t gets overwhelmed by the other stuff... Regards, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) --- Chris Marshall wrote> > Through the course of security training work that I > do, > it's clear that most big companies here in the UK > would not even now tolerate work e-mail > subscriptions > to a list such as this, regardless of content. The > line taken is that its misuse of company resources > (both IT resources and time on the part of the > employee) > since it's not work-related. > > As a rule of thumb: if you're not allowed to get to > Hotmail > or Yahoo mail or whatever from your work desk, you > probably > shouldn't be subscribed to the Joni list at your > work > e-mail address. If you can do Hotmail/Yahoo mail > from your > desk, subscribe to the list there and ditch the work > sub. > Much less ammo for clueless pointy-haried-boss > types... This is the policy where I work. There are people who circumvent the usual log-on protocols in the morning who do manage to access Hotmail and so on. When they're caught they're either seriously reprimanded or fired, depending on circumstance, severity and, oh yes, seniority. I used to sub to the jonilist at work too, just to keep up with the postings, but had to uns*b because I got a fright one day when I got a message from ITSecurity about a possible virus through smoe. My boss may not have pointy hair, but she has pointy fingernails and she's very fussy about getting as much efficiency out of her staff as she can, so she simply doesn't tolerate anything on one's PC (or cubicle) that looks remotely like fun. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:23:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc So it wasn't just me then. There are threads that could be offensive to some, in their own way. There's a lot of very, er, interesting subjects that come up on this list, that's for sure! Not everything is to my taste, but so what? There are days I'd find something funny that I might find totally offensive the next day. I usually mull it over before deciding whether to respond or not; by which time someone else has already done the dirty work for me. So I hook my feet back into the fencerail and prepare to set a spell. --- colin wrote: > kerry wrote: > > >. > > > >I'm a little confused because I don't remember > endless threads about male > >body parts. > > > you aren;'t the only one kerry. perhaps we went to > sleep..... > > >Wasn't most of the discussion about sex between > children and adults?!? > > > >Kerry ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:26:06 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Can anyone lend a copy of WOHAM? My friend, who's writing a college term paper about JM (among others), accidentally erased her American Masters videotape. Can she get a copy from anyone on JMDL? Of course she will reimburse for copying and postage. The sooner the better. Please reply to me and I will put the two of you in contact. Thank you sincerely, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:08:47 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP In a message dated 4/17/2003 1:56:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@vzavenue.net writes: > Gotta wonder what magic water > was in the pipes of that Brill Building. There was a great Vanity Fair article about the Brill building writers in last year's "Music" issue. It truly was an incredible lot of talent, even if they were intentionally striving to appeal to commercial means - they did it with such success! The roster of talent was pretty amazing; Goffin/King, Paul Simon, Neil Diamond, Neil Sedaka, Bacharach/David, Doc Pomus, Lieber/Stoller, etc. And Kakki, I'm sure you know that Becker/Fagen attempted to be Brill Building writers, but nobody knew what to make of their angular, inside-out songs, so they were "forced" to record them on their own. Thank the gods for that! :~) (New SD release delayed to June, and a TOUR in '03 as well!!) A Joni connection...besides singing on Carole King's 'Tapestry', she recorded "You're So Square" by Leiber & Stoller. Bob NP: "Big Yellow Taxi", George, WA 5.16.98 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:13:21 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) In a message dated 4/17/2003 4:02:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, stephen.yensen@siemens.com writes: > Going to "Joni-only" isn't likely to make > much difference - sometimes NJC is withheld from the > message header - > deliberately or otherwise. You'd be surprised, Stephen...when I was J-O, I missed lots of threads that I was glad to have missed, and only had a couple NJC posts that weren't marked as such. But if you want to make a difference, the best thing to do is CONTRIBUTE...that way you can help steer the conversation directly, or at least help to dilute the vomit-inducing bits. Bob NP: "Facelift" 5.16.98 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:03:57 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Pazfest now available on CDBaby In case you don't have it yet: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/pazfest It's listed there as of today...and if you haven't used CDBaby, it couldn't be more user-friendly! Many ways to buy, including Paypal, and the service is UNBELIEVABLY fast. Oh, and scroll down on the web page, and you'll be able to read reviews from Ms. McKay, Mr. Sapp, & some other guy. ;~) Bob NP: "Black Crow", from PWWAM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:08:02 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: FW: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) Ted..I like the kind of humor that I could take me wee little grandmother to. ;-) No ..I'm not a prude..but most great comics will tell you that for something to be funny it has to have a element of truth. The OVA thing started out funny..sort of.. because isn't there a self-help group for every thing under the sun? I don't know if you were specifically referring to the list when you wrote: "remember laughter people?" This list laughs all the time...maybe you were writing about the general public? IF you haven't noticed there are several people here that could possibly make their living doing comedy..writing it for others..standup? All this in my IMHO. I think of Joni with her great funny stories..off the top of my head..when she told about the lady who knocked on her cabin door while she was knitting. Why was this funny? Because again... the element of truth. (and Joni has a flair for storytelling....must not forget that) Take care.. Bree PS. Kenny B.. did you catch Tod on Letterman? >I guess some people don't recognize comedy even >when it smacks them across the chops, grabs them by the feet, flips them >upside down, shakes all the fillings out of their heads, and takes their >American Express card on a shopping spree ... remember laughter people? >Does anyone remember laughter? Ted "tears of a clown" Friedman > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:35:13 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: Rickie On KPFK njc For Rickie Lee Jones fans in the L A vicinity: newsletter@rickieleejones.com wrote: > The following message is an announcement from the Rickie Lee Jones > Web Site. > > If you live in the Los Angeles area, be sure to tune in to the KPFK > interview with Rickie 90.7 FM on Thursday, April 17th at 5:00 PM. > > We just discovered a box of X-Large Zoo Tunes T-shirts. If you missed > out when they were first available, now is your chance to pick one > up. Just click on the "Bootlegs" link on Rickie's home page at > http://www.rickieleejones.com. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > How to use this mailing list: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > You received this e-mail newsletter because you signed up for it at > the Rickie Lee Jones Web Site. To remove yourself from this list, > please visit http://www.rickieleejones.com and follow the > instructions. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:47:27 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: OVA njc Jim wrote, of discussions of body parts of the "private" variety: > I for one, am appalled that these are perpetually tolerated. They're > not even discussed. Where's your moral outrage in those cases? Okay, it's a little bit "Beavis and Butthead-y" to discuss tallywackers and quidiquats (the words I was taught as a child) in this form -- or any forum other than one specifically designed for such discussion. But "moral outrage"? C'mon, Jim. I save my moral outrage for pedophiles, rapists, killers, and members of the War Machine. Lori Next on my "to read" list: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /1580050751/qid=1050590591/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-7604705-7443154? v=glance&s=books&n=507846 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:49:23 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: Paradise Lost, and raiding my dad's tape collection Dear Gordon, I'm from midwestern America and just about everyone I know pronounces it "pear-a-dice" like the fruit at the beginning. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard it "pah-rah-dice." When I had an internship in London, our program coordinator was Scottish, and he pronounced a number of words very differently than us Americans were used to. In fact, one time at an internship group meeting, he kept asking us what "fruSTRAted us" and none of the Americans could understand him! Finally, after he said it three times, I told my colleagues, "He means 'FRUstrated,'" and they all said, "Ohhhh..." In other news, I recently came home for Easter prepared to steal my dad's tape of "Court and Spark" to accompany the tape of HOSL I stole from him in March. (He recently got a car with a CD player and is allowing my sister and me to take any tapes we want.) I put "Court and Spark" into my mom's boombox as I was getting dressed this morning and found it was worn out, so I threw it away! : ( I finished getting dressed to the tune of CSN's "Daylight Again," which was pretty good. I think dad still has a vinyl copy of "Court and Spark" in the basement that I can copy. I'll have to go spelunking after I finish my e-mail. - -Emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:49:23 -0500 From: "Emily Griskavich" Subject: Paradise Lost, and raiding my dad's tape collection Dear Gordon, I'm from midwestern America and just about everyone I know pronounces it "pear-a-dice" like the fruit at the beginning. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard it "pah-rah-dice." When I had an internship in London, our program coordinator was Scottish, and he pronounced a number of words very differently than us Americans were used to. In fact, one time at an internship group meeting, he kept asking us what "fruSTRAted us" and none of the Americans could understand him! Finally, after he said it three times, I told my colleagues, "He means 'FRUstrated,'" and they all said, "Ohhhh..." In other news, I recently came home for Easter prepared to steal my dad's tape of "Court and Spark" to accompany the tape of HOSL I stole from him in March. (He recently got a car with a CD player and is allowing my sister and me to take any tapes we want.) I put "Court and Spark" into my mom's boombox as I was getting dressed this morning and found it was worn out, so I threw it away! : ( I finished getting dressed to the tune of CSN's "Daylight Again," which was pretty good. I think dad still has a vinyl copy of "Court and Spark" in the basement that I can copy. I'll have to go spelunking after I finish my e-mail. - -Emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:48:37 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Apologies (NJC) I suppose I should take my own advice and take a nice deep breath, and maybe chant an OM or two before posting. I don't post often, and when I do, I try to temper my words accordingly. I was so appalled at what I was reading, I reacted quickly to Ted's post, and overracted by including Lama and Heather in my outrage. Mea Culpa. Sometimes I just get so fed up with some of the stuff on the list, it makes me want to scream. I am personally offended by lots of things that go on here, *including* the male discussions about body parts. The outrage was not because it was about a *woman's* body part, but because I felt it went too far. There are many posts here that I find offensive and just because I am silent, doesn't mean I am not taken back by them, or upset by them. Perhaps I have a soul that is too sensitive, but if I were to join the list today, I would get out of here faster than I could click un*sub. And the sad part is, I would miss a wonderful community of caring and intelligent people that share my love of Joni. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:58:26 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Apologies (NJC) Oh honey ... Love means never having to say you're sorry. "Yes I do, I love you!" All of you. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:07:25 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Apologies (NJC) Ashara wrote: << Perhaps I have a soul that is too sensitive >> Dearest Ashara, After I wrote the "Amelia" parody that offended you, I thought that you were somewhat of a prude. But as I have gotten to know you, I think that you're one of those rare people who has a profound respect for humanity, and who can't tolerate people being belittled or rudely treated in any way. As we used to say in our yearbooks -- Don't ever change! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:17:09 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: I got yer Joni content right here! Trinity Rep in Providence, Rhode Island, is one of the US's most respected regional theaters. The resident director (or whatever the head creative guy is called in a theater) is Oscar Eustis, who worked with Tiny Kirshner to create "Angels in America." When I lived in Providence I saw "Angels" and other plays there, and Trinity really is top notch. So I was very pleased today to read the following: "Celebrating its 40th anniversary season, the Providence-based troupe will introduce a new musical revue, Songs of Innocence, Songs of Experience, featuring the work of Stephen Sondheim, Joni Mitchell, Gershwin, John Prine and others. Amanda Dehnert handles direction and musical direction for the project. " You can read the whole story at: < http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/playbill/20030415/en_playbill/7 8990 > Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:23:39 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: I got yer Joni content right here! Well, I'm thinking road trip! But Bob, I couldn't get to the document when I tried it today. Maggie Boston/Cambridge Massachusetts -----Original Message----- From: Murphycopy@aol.com [mailto:Murphycopy@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:17 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: I got yer Joni content right here! Trinity Rep in Providence, Rhode Island, is one of the US's most respected regional theaters. The resident director (or whatever the head creative guy is called in a theater) is Oscar Eustis, who worked with Tiny Kirshner to create "Angels in America." When I lived in Providence I saw "Angels" and other plays there, and Trinity really is top notch. So I was very pleased today to read the following: "Celebrating its 40th anniversary season, the Providence-based troupe will introduce a new musical revue, Songs of Innocence, Songs of Experience, featuring the work of Stephen Sondheim, Joni Mitchell, Gershwin, John Prine and others. Amanda Dehnert handles direction and musical direction for the project. " You can read the whole story at: < http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/playbill/2003041 5/en_playbill/7 8990 > Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:42:12 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: FW: Presidential Address - Potential Axis of Evil Located - America's Funny Man Still At Large - NJC While some of you "leftists," and "radicals," seem to think that the security of our great nation is a laughing matter, let me assure you that I find no humor in having to report that indeed into our very homes an evil lurker has made his vile, filthy, dung strewn nest. Here he lay, in the very bastion of free thought and virtuous conviviality stroking his scab riddled, uncircumcised, pus filled, terror syringe of lies, innuendo and double entendre, besmooching the wholesome bed of democracy with the devil's seed of unrestrained vulgarity. LOL indeed Fye, LOL while you still can ... I cannot and will not, I take no joy in the grim and terrible mission I have sworn to complete, do or die, LOL and think of your merry and idealistic Theodore as he fearless brandishes the sword of man's truest desire, thick and curved as a scimitar, at the cavernous, foul, bloody pit of combat, that not even the victorious return from unchanged. Never forget! Ted - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Fye [mailto:lori@lrfye.lunarpages.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:33 AM To: theodore Subject: Re: FW: Presidential Address - Potential Axis of Evil Located - America's Funny Man Still At Large - NJC LOL, Theodore! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:41:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fw: Rickie On KPFK njc And you can listen to it online at: http://www.kpfk.org/ Today 5PM PST Mark or Travis wrote: > For Rickie Lee Jones fans in the L A vicinity: > > newsletter@rickieleejones.com wrote: > > The following message is an announcement from the Rickie Lee Jones > > Web Site. > > > > If you live in the Los Angeles area, be sure to tune in to the KPFK > > interview with Rickie 90.7 FM on Thursday, April 17th at 5:00 PM. > > > > We just discovered a box of X-Large Zoo Tunes T-shirts. If you > missed > > out when they were first available, now is your chance to pick one > > up. Just click on the "Bootlegs" link on Rickie's home page at > > http://www.rickieleejones.com. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > How to use this mailing list: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > You received this e-mail newsletter because you signed up for it at > > the Rickie Lee Jones Web Site. To remove yourself from this list, > > please visit http://www.rickieleejones.com and follow the > > instructions. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:11:01 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: re: can anyone lend me a copy of WOHAM? Thanks to all who have responded or plan to respond to this request. Bob Muller is going to help me out. Stephanie and I appreciate the generosity of you all. DL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:36:59 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: OVA njc This is a stage direction: Let me get this straight, Lori. You're not complaining about dick jokes on the JMDL. You're complaining that I wrote "moral outrage" when 'repulsed' might have been a more descriptive clause. Is that right? Here's a bit of free advice: Pick your battles. But thanks for marking my paper, teach. Lama > From: "Lori Fye" > Okay, it's a little bit "Beavis and Butthead-y" to discuss tallywackers > and quidiquats (the words I was taught as a child) in this form -- or > any forum other than one specifically designed for such discussion. > > But "moral outrage"? C'mon, Jim. > > I save my moral outrage for pedophiles, rapists, killers, and members > of the War Machine. Jim wrote, of discussions of body parts of the "private" variety: > > I for one, am appalled that these are perpetually tolerated. They're > > not even discussed. Where's your moral outrage in those cases? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:03:58 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: OVA njc > You're not complaining about dick jokes on the JMDL. You're > complaining that I wrote "moral outrage" when 'repulsed' might have > been a more descriptive clause. Is that right? Jim, I wasn't complaining at all. I think dicks ARE a joke, be they penes, people who behave like jackasses, or the vice president of the U.S. I simply disagreed with the way your phrased your disgust. I thought the words were too strong, that they smacked of overreaction. Just my rarely humble opinion. But I really wasn't trying to grade your post, or pick a fight. Yes I do, I love you. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:14:14 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Woman Of Heart & Mind DVD I just went to the Amazon.com site. They now list the DVD of Woman Of Heart & Mind for sale. They show a list price of 19.98, but their price is 14.99. It will be released on June 3. Amazon.com also has Shadows & Light in DVD; and Painting With Words & Music in both DVD and VHS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:22:46 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind DVD In a message dated 4/17/2003 2:14:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, bshemkovitz@bozzutos.com writes: > Amazon.com also has Shadows & Light in DVD; and Painting > With Words & Music > in both DVD and VHS. But the availability of the S&L DVD looks questionable...plus it's about $20 more than the Singapore guy charges through ebay - and he ships in a FLASH. I guess you can go either way but it looks like a no-brainer to me. But thanks for the alert on the WOHAM DVD...I'm anxious to see it in that format. Bob NP: "Woodstock", Chicago, IL 10/25/98 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:56:45 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC At 4/16/2003 05:25 PM, Randy Remote wrote: >It was definitely 478. But the larger controversy was about whether >it was really an accident in the first place....various theories have been >offered including inebriation, computer rage, muscle spasms, and >flagrant abuse of power. No, some of us are not going to forget! You know... I rarely post but when I do... I like to make a statement! It was definitely a flagrant abuse of power. My next abuse will entail 500 (!) posts on a subject such as OVA... any day now. Les, who keeps getting rejected from membership on the LIDL. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:11:14 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Woman Of Heart & Mind DVD on 4/17/03 3:22 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > But the availability of the S&L DVD looks questionable...plus it's about $20 > more than the Singapore guy charges through ebay - and he ships in a FLASH. > > I guess you can go either way but it looks like a no-brainer to me. > > But thanks for the alert on the WOHAM DVD...I'm anxious to see it in that > format. > > Bob > > NP: "Woodstock", Chicago, IL 10/25/98 My aversion to ebay is based on personal experience. I had a bad experience last year trying to buy another disc from an Ebay seller, also from Singapore. Don't know if it's the same guy you're referring to, and I eventually got my money refunded by my credit card company, but only after some effort on my part, so I'm wary of them ever since. In any event I can't recommend ebay. I've bought lots of books & discs from Amazon, and never had any problem with them. I do agree about the price on the Shadows & Light disc, but I still feel more comfortable dealing with a company that I view as more reputable. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:44:25 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: NJC, RE: OVA njc well well. why oh why do you leave the oh so horrible OVA in the subject header all this time???? those who are on this list at work (shame shame)should have gotten a slew of OVA e-mails by now thereby getting them in deeper trouble. heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 7:23 AM To: colin; kerry Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc So it wasn't just me then. There are threads that could be offensive to some, in their own way. There's a lot of very, er, interesting subjects that come up on this list, that's for sure! Not everything is to my taste, but so what? There are days I'd find something funny that I might find totally offensive the next day. I usually mull it over before deciding whether to respond or not; by which time someone else has already done the dirty work for me. So I hook my feet back into the fencerail and prepare to set a spell. --- colin wrote: > kerry wrote: > > >. > > > >I'm a little confused because I don't remember > endless threads about male > >body parts. > > > you aren;'t the only one kerry. perhaps we went to > sleep..... > > >Wasn't most of the discussion about sex between > children and adults?!? > > > >Kerry ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: OVA njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > Okay, it's a little bit "Beavis and Butthead-y" to > discuss tallywackers > and quidiquats Quidiquats? LOL! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 18:51:30 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: OVA njc Okay, I love you too, Lori. In addition, with this post you've missed my point three times in a row. I'm done. Lama PS, I still love you though. > From: "Lori Fye" > > You're not complaining about dick jokes on the JMDL. You're > > complaining that I wrote "moral outrage" when 'repulsed' might have > > been a more descriptive clause. Is that right? > > Jim, I wasn't complaining at all. I think dicks ARE a joke, be they > penes, people who behave like jackasses, or the vice president of the > U.S. > > I simply disagreed with the way your phrased your disgust. I thought > the words were too strong, that they smacked of overreaction. Just my > rarely humble opinion. But I really wasn't trying to grade your post, > or pick a fight. > > Yes I do, I love you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:55:18 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: OVA njc > In addition, with this post you've missed my point three times in a > row. I'm done. No fair!! Please, what was your point? Hating not knowing and being foolish besides, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:00:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC, --- Heather wrote: > well well. why oh why do you leave the oh so > horrible OVA in the subject > header all this time???? those who are on this list > at work (shame > shame)should have gotten a slew of OVA e-mails by > now thereby getting them > in deeper trouble. Errr, because, like Everest, it was there (?) I usually don't pay much attention to the subj line, since it rarely has anything to do with the post contained thereunder. Except for the njc part. Things have been nasty at work all week, and nasty (in a stranger than the usual nasty) on the list as well. Is it the full moon or what? Thank god that's over. The full moon that is. I'm hoping the rest is too, but what do I know? ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:00:01 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: OVA njc > No fair!! Please, what was your point? > > Hating not knowing and being foolish besides, > Lori I think it was lost in the OV....... sorry, couldn't resist..:~} Victor, going to see Beth Wood and Danielle Howle tonight NP: Rush "Dreamline" Victor Johnson waytoblu@mindspring.com Look for the new album "Parsonage Lane" this spring! Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:03:04 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) What do you think "pool hall pitches" refers to? Come-ons to girls in pool halls? I'm sure I dunno. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:06:15 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc Would someone please forward me all those dick jokes I have missed? I feel left out and so want to join in being offended.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 00:07:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) no idea. i thought it was pool hall pictures-ie crappy prints. Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >What do you think "pool hall pitches" refers to? > >Come-ons to girls in pool halls? > >I'm sure I dunno. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:19:29 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: I's A Muggin' (njc) Is the book title "Tonight at Noon?" May be the name of one of Mingus's jazz works. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc --- colin wrote: > Would someone please forward me all those dick jokes > I have missed? I > feel left out and so want to join in being offended.... Colin, you're such a... dick! ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > What do you think "pool hall pitches" refers to? > > Come-ons to girls in pool halls? > > I'm sure I dunno. LAHM That's what is means to me. But then again, maybe those aren't even the right words. Aren't people that hang around in pool halls supposed to be kind of slick and unwholesome, the kind of people you wouldn't want your daughter hanging out with? (Trouble! That starts with T and that rhymes with P and that stands for POOL!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:27:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC --- Les Irvin wrote: > Les, who keeps getting rejected from membership on > the LIDL. Would you really want to be in any club that would accept you as a member? (No! Not THAT kind of member!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:28:39 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) Maybe "he" was a big fan of The Hustler (starring Paul Newman, Piper Laurie, George C. Scott and Jackie Gleason.) LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:30:40 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: hissing of the summer lawns (Mondegreened) (NJC) If you don't want your daughter hanging out with slicks, you're probably "fading in a suburban room." LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:39:41 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: Re: OVA njc Very interesting topic, because what is repulsion? The physical manifestation of fear and mistrust of things foreign to our sense of decency? And decency? What one requires to maintain a healthy state of purity in the interest of presenting one's self to others and being accepted as legitimate, truthful, deserving of the all the positives within ourselves being reflected in the eyes we search for permission to get out of the cold. Part and parcel of maintaining decency could be keeping certain bodily parts not only under wraps, "indecent exposure," but, out of what is considered normal everyday conversation. I would argue that moral outrage is more accurate a term because the offending appendage is only being conjured in writing after the fact. Really what you are after is a consensus that your tendency towards being repulsed will be observed. Repulsion is the initial blech, the turning away. I would also argue that repulsion can occur even when our morals are not up for grabs. Certain places people eat grubs, in America we do not. The same protein exists in grubs that is in cow. Watching someone eat grubs may even repulse to the point of vomiting. However the cry may never go out that no grubs be eaten in your particular environment or while you are trying to eat. Or that people not discuss the eating of grubs on a discussion list that is sent around to people who you have reason to suspect suffer the same repulsion at the topic. The male appendage and its frequent occurrences as either a subject of humor, or, topic of affection repulses you. The fallout we are seeing is your moral outrage at being subjected to this repulsion, right, here in your momma's kitchen by others who do not share your same sense of morality. I would also say that the attempt to at least have others accept or respect your sense of morality is territorial pissing. The outrage, what is perpetually tolerated is this creeping cross the line by a bunch of queers, and, furthermore if you can't be swayed to stop by appeals to decency then we shall unleash the "see how you like it precision guided vagina joke bomb." Take that! Advice: you can pick your battles and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's battles A pawn in your game, Ted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of jlamadoo@fuse.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:37 AM To: Lori Fye; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Re: OVA njc This is a stage direction: Let me get this straight, Lori. You're not complaining about dick jokes on the JMDL. You're complaining that I wrote "moral outrage" when 'repulsed' might have been a more descriptive clause. Is that right? Here's a bit of free advice: Pick your battles. But thanks for marking my paper, teach. Lama > From: "Lori Fye" > Okay, it's a little bit "Beavis and Butthead-y" to discuss tallywackers > and quidiquats (the words I was taught as a child) in this form -- or > any forum other than one specifically designed for such discussion. > > But "moral outrage"? C'mon, Jim. > > I save my moral outrage for pedophiles, rapists, killers, and members > of the War Machine. Jim wrote, of discussions of body parts of the "private" variety: > > I for one, am appalled that these are perpetually tolerated. They're > > not even discussed. Where's your moral outrage in those cases? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:53:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: OVA njc In a message dated 4/17/2003 7:46:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, theodore@buckfush.org writes: > Advice: you can pick your battles and you can pick your friends, but you > can't pick your friend's battles > I'd always heard it was "you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:05:33 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: RE: OVA njc This phrase while once common has fallen out of use. Mutual or consensual nose picking is a tradition in some circles and used as a way of expressing solidarity, reaffirming ties of religion and blood. Out of respect for those people who seek solace in the ritual cleansing of another's nasal passages, it is very relaxing, I decided to not include the nose in my advice to lama guy. Ted - -----Original Message----- From: FMYFL@aol.com [mailto:FMYFL@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:54 PM To: theodore@buckfush.org; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: OVA njc In a message dated 4/17/2003 7:46:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, theodore@buckfush.org writes: Advice: you can pick your battles and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's battles I'd always heard it was "you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:17:12 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC Les writes: > Les, who keeps getting rejected from membership on the LIDL. Maybe that's just as well, Les. I joined the BMDL and you wouldn't believe what they're discussing there! Makes much of the conversation that goes on here look like kiddie talk, which I guess it often is. It ain't ova 'til the fat lady sings. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:17:14 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC Les writes: > Les, who keeps getting rejected from membership on the LIDL. Maybe that's just as well, Les. I joined the BMDL and you wouldn't believe what they're discussing there! Makes much of the conversation that goes on here look like kiddie talk, which I guess it often is. It ain't ova 'til the fat lady sings. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:20:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: not about OVA, Heather is now SHAME-FREE njc In a message dated 4/17/2003 7:00:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > Victor, going to see Beth Wood and Danielle Howle tonight Danielle Howle is great, Victor - she's from Columbia, SC. I've seen her a couple times, she did "Woodstock" the first time I saw her and introduced as a song from "The Mother of us all". Bob, going to see Kelly Joe Phelps in a SMALL club Saturday NP: The Film Studio Orchestra, "The Circle Game" (so cheesy you could spread it on a Ritz) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:23:24 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: not about OVA, Heather is now SHAME-FREE and I am not njc Victor writes: > Victor, going to see Beth Wood and Danielle Howle tonight I often Howle when I see Wood. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 20:59:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC In a message dated 4/17/03 8:18:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Maybe that's just as well, Les. I joined the BMDL and you wouldn't believe > what they're discussing there! Makes much of the conversation that goes on > here look like kiddie talk, which I guess it often is. > > It ain't ova 'til the fat lady sings. > I joined the "Greasy Lake" u should see the threads going on over there...take a look at the I gotta pee thread....it's not what u think...they've got these hysterical avatars goings on over there... rosie in weird nj In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #248 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)