From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #247 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 17 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 247 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fwd: OVA njc [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: OVA njc [Randy Remote ] Re: I's A Muggin' [Randy Remote ] Re: A Mighty Wind (NJC) [Randy Remote ] RE: Was cinnamon rolls, now Apple turnovers and NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Today in History: April 16 [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: When I Was a Boy (Dar Williams) njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Exxon Blue [Wiloboy@aol.com] Re: When I Was a Boy (Dar Williams) njc [Scott Price ] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP ["hell" ] ****JONI AND JAMES**** [] NJC, RE: OVA njc [] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC -- Little OVA [Murphycopy@aol.com] FW: Presidential Address - Potential Axis of Evil Located - America's Funny Man Still At Large - NJC ["theo] Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc ["kerry" ] OVA - a practical consideration (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: Joni and James [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= ] Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Today in History: April 17 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Today's Library Links: April 17 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: A Mighty Wind (NJC) ["kakki" ] RE: OVA njc ["Ross, Les" ] Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP ["kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:31:32 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Fwd: OVA njc and i agree with all the negatives! Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id MAILINZD44-380c3e9d648d1ec; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:11:27 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (v92.16) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD24-39c3e9d647b31d; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:11:08 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3GEAMO6014198 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3GEAMNj014197 for joni-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web20101.mail.yahoo.com (web20101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.38]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h3GEAIO6014183 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20030416141018.99857.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.229.50.5] by web20101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:10:18 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: magsnbrei Subject: Re: OVA njc To: AsharaJM@aol.com, joni@smoe.org In-Reply-To: <172.193835d2.2bceb980@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MIME_BOUND_DIGITS_5,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, SPAM_REDIRECTOR,SUPERLONG_LINE version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: magsnbrei Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) thanks Ashara and Bob for speaking out. A great big ME TOO here. Ted, this kind of post is completely uncalled for . Ive never seen anything like this ever, on the jmdl, in the three years that Ive been part of this community. Sure, we may disagree on issues but this was WAY over the top. This post of yours was completely offensive , inappropriate and insulting. NOT funny!!!!!!!!!! a very angry Mags. You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:45:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: OVA njc In bad taste? Yes. Funny? Not really. Appropriate? Probably not. Offensive, massively disgusting? Jesus, please, have you never been to a comedy club? We've been bombing people, for God's sake. Get a little perspective. Just my opinion... RR, preferring a group apology to the world from Bush > It seems I didn't make it clear enough as to what I meant here. I found the > OVA post offensive like many others here did and I expect Ted will make a > group apology that I will except. > > Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:00:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: I's A Muggin' The person who said that it is not plagarism if you don't have 7 notes in a row was wrong, although it's a common misconception. I suspect that the definition below is incorrect, as well. Each case is weighed separately, otherwise you wouldn't have these big trials ala George Harrison. I can guarantee you if you used the last six notes in Yesterday as part of your song (and it was successful) you would be getting a call from Mr. McCartney's lawyer (and Ms. Lennon's, in that order ; ) ) Also you cannot 'sample' any part of a recording-even one second-without getting the permission of the owner. Bottom line, there are no hard and fast rules about plagarizing music. Photos are copyrightable as works of art and cannot be used without the owner's permission. Painting someone's photograph gets into a gray(scale) area. In the case of the Mingus painting, Joni could easily and credibly say it was from memory or another photograph because there was nothing really unique about the photo. The tilt of his head and expression, he's done that a million times. If she had copied something unique that undeniably linked the two (some kind of wallpaper, or ?) maybe legally she could be challenged. RR quiltbear wrote: > When I was in school for Commercial and > Advertising Art (a very long time ago), I was > taught that it was alright to use another's work > if you made five (5) changes in it. > > >From what I understand about copyrights,original > work is protected. Permission should always be > obtained before using it, and I would think > credit should be given for its use. > > --Nancy-IA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:10:01 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A Mighty Wind (NJC) Jerry Notaro wrote: > Got a great review from Gene S. this morning on the Today Show. I loved > Waiting for Guffman, but was bored with Best In Show. But never with > Parker Posey. Ditto on Ms. Posey. Looking forward to "Mighty Wind"-most likely not until it makes it to video, though. Guest, Shearer and McKeon were on MAD TV last week, doing a song about some mining disaster. It was tongue in cheek enough that most people probably did not get that it was a put-on. Spinal Tap rules! (I know it was directed by Rob Reiner, not Guest). Guffman was pretty good. I felt let down by Best in Show, but watched it a second time and enjoyed it much more. Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara were especially funny. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:15:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Was cinnamon rolls, now Apple turnovers and NJC ken, what do you mean? of course it says "go diva"! i once ate a whole wedding cake. i was 10 and i was spending the day with some friends who had a confectioner's shop and they had just finished a wedding cake for a client. my mother had given me no breakfast that day because she thought i would have so much to eat with these friends since they always had all kinds of cakes and pastries in their kitchen (frankly, my mother was just lazy). when i got to their house they had already had breakfast and i was embarrassed to ask for food. when lunch time came, we were all up in our tree house, so my friend's mother fixed the tiniest sandwiches ever because we were all going to a birthday party in the afternoon and she thought we were going to gorge like horses and she wanted us to have a light meal. there were barely enough sandwiches to go around and i had only half a piece of the smallest slice of cheese i had ever seen in my life. before the party we were all ordered to have a short nap (this family took naps!). it was more than i could bear. while everybody was sleeping i went down to the shop, took the wedding cake and practically swallowed it whole. this act of mine created a major conflict between our two families. my parents were obliged to pay for the cake, which was ever so EXPENSIVE, the confectioners had to buy a cake from a competitor to be able to deliver it on time that day, i acquired a terrible reputation as a houseguest, and i wasn't asked to any birthday or house parties for ages. the cake was awful, by the way. lots of candied fruit, which i utterly hate, and no fondant, which i adore. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:34:52 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: OVA njc > preferring a group apology to the world from Bush Right on!!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:43:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 Les wrote: > 1968: Joni began a two-week engagement in Canada's best-known coffeehouse, > the "Riverboat", in Toronto's Yorkville Village. > More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=643 > Actually Today in History : April 16th, 2002 Les sent us this one post 479 times. LOL Remember everybody??? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:48:48 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: When I Was a Boy (Dar Williams) njc It's pretty risky calling your album When I Was A Boy, this also being the title of one of the half dozen greatest albums made in the 90s. Jane Siberry's masterpiece is a very hard act to follow. Nobody would be foolish enough to call an album Astral Weeks, or Hounds Of Love, or Oops I Did It Again, now would they? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:51:28 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP In a message dated 16/04/2003 18:06:26 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << A great tune, also done to good effect by Grand Funk. Eva Boyd was Goffin/King's babysitter, and a friend of Carole's said that she was so good that she could even write her babysitter a hit. So she did. At least that's the legend. >> There was also an urban myth floating around, was there not, that it was actually Carole King herself who sang The Locomotion. Can't think why that would be, or if many people believed it at the time. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:54:32 -0400 From: Wiloboy@aol.com Subject: Re: Exxon Blue jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: >"It's possible she updated it to Exxon, then complimented it with another color/danger: "radiation rose"."< color/danger, good point Lama, I like that. >"Remember "Just Like This Train"? I think "fold-up sink" began as "fold-up seat". I think she changed it to get the rhyme."< Joni very well may have if she was riding in Economy... but if she was riding the train mentioned on 1800GoRail's page... "Moving along to the standard sleepers the downfalls of this is that byesb it is a nice room of your own for privacy and some nice extra ammenities. You should be aware that the fold up toilet is not the easiest thing to use since this isnbt the biggest room and itbs the size of a large closet probably. The sink folds down , everything is quite compact." I do agree with you though, Joni plays with words and can come up with some amusing and fun lines sometimes by not always using the word you would expect her to use. Wil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:19:52 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: When I Was a Boy (Dar Williams) njc At 05:48 PM 4/16/2003 -0400, AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >It's pretty risky calling your album When I Was A Boy, this also being the >title of Jane Siberry's masterpiece From the FAQs at http://darwilliams.net/FAQ.html Q: What does Jane Siberry's album "When I Was A Boy" have to do with Dar's song of the same name? A: Not much. Jane's album and Dar's song were written at about the same time, independent of each other. - -Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:24:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC In a message dated 4/16/2003 5:44:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Actually Today in History : April 16th, 2002 > Les sent us this one post 479 times. LOL Remember everybody??? > Yes, and all of us on the LIDL have been talking about it all day! :~) Only there's some controversy about whether it was 479 or 478... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:32:38 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC In a message dated 4/16/2003 6:25:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Yes, and all of us on the LIDL have been talking about it all day! :~) > There's a Les Irvin Discussion List, and I didn't know about it ?!?!? I knew he was a musical genious and has more hits than Lionel Richie, but I didn't know about the discussion list. Oh I want to join. I've met this wonderful man 4 times, and I have more gossip on him than Melissa Rivers does :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:01:35 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP Bob wrote: > << A great tune, also done to good effect by Grand Funk. Eva Boyd was > Goffin/King's babysitter, and a friend of Carole's said that she was so good > that she could even write her babysitter a hit. So she did. At least that's > the legend. >> And Azeem wrote: > There was also an urban myth floating around, was there not, that it was > actually Carole King herself who sang The Locomotion. Can't think why that > would be, or if many people believed it at the time. The first is definitely urban myth. According to Carole (from a documentary I have): "We just had Louise at the time, and it got to the point where we were spending a lot of time in the studio making demos. And I used to bring Louise to the studio in her little play-pen, and she'd rock and roll - which she is still doing to this day, on her own! And you know, it got kind of hard to be doing both, so Little Eva came to stay with Louise. The only difference between the true story, and the story as it had been circulated, was that people had the impression that she was pushing a broom around the kitchen one day singing, and we heard her sing and said, "Stop! We must record that voice!" But the fact of the matter is, we knew that she could sing when she came to us, and it was only a matter of time before we were gonna have her sing on some of our demos." But there might be "some" truth to Azeems post, since she goes on to say (before playing the song): "It is little known - I was one of the background voices!" So she did sing on The Locomotion! Actually that documentary is pretty interesting - she talks about the song-writing process, and how Don Kirschner (sp?) would come in and say "We must find the next Drifters hit!" and they'd go off to their little song-writing booths. The opening lines to several songs (she plays them as she talks) are remarkably similar though, I guess because they're writing to a "formula". She says they would take hit songs and turn them upside-down and inside out. She plays the opening lines from Take Good Care Of My Baby and It Might As Well Rain Until September, and they're almost identical! She laughs and says "Sometimes we went a little too far in copying - from ourselves!" She also talks about writing You've Got A Friend. She said that contrary to popular opinion, she didn't write it "for" James Taylor - although she certainly felt that way about him. But she's the first to admit what a great song it is, because she doesn't feel that she wrote it - she says she feels it was written "through" her. She just sat down at the piano one day and it came to her, completely effortlessly. Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Home Page - NEW & IMPROVED! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:02:32 -0400 From: Subject: ****JONI AND JAMES**** Cool. Your friend can help us out then, with the alternate bands doing the MINGUS tracks. Or maybe more coffeehouse tapes? Heartlessly hoping, Lama .. my friend said that Joni sent it to him from her personal collection but hes full of sh**..But a great friend indeed ;) I reccomend ! this highly I know that alot of you may have it but if not try and find it..Its really really good....Hope you all have a fine day...<> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:28:38 -0400 From: Subject: NJC, RE: OVA njc If making jokes about female body parts is offensive, so is making jokes about male body parts. I said I was disgusted by the unending posts about male body parts. I said that a corresponding thread about women would cause a ruckus. It did. I urge all of you who are offended by the "OVA" thread to be EQUALLY vocal about the threads about male body parts. You guys are making my argument for me! I for one, am appalled that these are perpetually tolerated. They're not even discussed. Where's your moral outrage in those cases? C'mon, JMDLers. Take your list back. If it's bad for the goose, it's bad for the gander, eh? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:25:49 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/16/2003 5:44:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com > writes: > > > Actually Today in History : April 16th, 2002 > > Les sent us this one post 479 times. LOL Remember everybody??? > > > > Yes, and all of us on the LIDL have been talking about it all day! :~) > > Only there's some controversy about whether it was 479 or 478... > It was definitely 478. But the larger controversy was about whether it was really an accident in the first place....various theories have been offered including inebriation, computer rage, muscle spasms, and flagrant abuse of power. No, some of us are not going to forget! (name witheld) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:33:21 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- Little OVA Mrs. Cameron writes: > Sorry, I couldn't resist. Apologies to all that I may have just offended, those who I have offended in the past, and > those that I will offend in August. A big ME TOO to that! And you know, Mrs. Cameron, teachers aren't supposed to instigate innocents like me to be bad, but that's exactly what you have just done. So I hope that someone somewhere is giving me credit for refraining from writing the hilarious and offensive parody the above subject line has made spring into my dirty mind. - --Bob NPIMH: C'mon, baby, pass the lubin' lotion . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:46:09 -0700 From: "theodore" Subject: FW: Presidential Address - Potential Axis of Evil Located - America's Funny Man Still At Large - NJC "You'll get an apology out of me when you pry it from cold dead fingers!" - states America's Funny Man, Neil Hamburger as he was questioned today regarding a very crude post that has some discussion list members calling for President Bush's resignation. Bush commented briefly on his way to a war council pancake breakfast and flatly denied Mr. Hamburger was a CIA operative delving into charges that subversives were operating "discussion lists" used by potential axis of evil command and control to send encrypted messages via the Internet: "I can tell you one thing whoever this guy is we are going to get him, hunt him down, he'll rue the day he upset those poor innocent fans of Joni Mitchell's, a true American. We have a copy of the email, In the interest of decency I will only tell you I am shocked, The first Lady, Laura is horrified and too scared to check emails. This kind of filthy, smut, is Un-American, it threatens our very way of life and we will hunt it down and kill it, we will." A long time Hamburger supporter, and advocate for Straight Men of Comedy, speaks to us live via telephone.. "mr.friedman can you hear me?" "yes hello wolfe." "mr. friedman can you tell us how did this all come about, Neil Hamburger was a friend of yours?" "that's correct Wolfe . I only left the computer or a second or two, I mean Neil and I work together a great deal ." "so you were as shocked as the rest of us as to the content of the message." "shocked and saddened, betrayed that Neil would do this to me, I made him what he is today, he owes me money, its awful horrible I'm saddened." "we can all feel for you here at cnn, mr.friedman, we've all had friends that have turned out to be complete assholes." "yeah, wolfe, you know you just don't see it coming and it hurts wolfe, especially seeing that email and knowing the axis of evil rejoiced at those Joni Mitchell fans and their shock and horror, they didn't have to see that, dreck, it was enough to put you off your lunch wolfe." "well thank you mr. friedman we know this has been a tough day for you and we appreciate you taking time sir." "thanks again wolfe, hey I just want to plug my new book "Risk, Reward" be out next week, and also . ummm .ahhhh ..oh! yes all those poor innocent joni friends so many who have already bought my book, I can only extend my deepest regret for this whole incident and my sincere desire that .." "sorry, we had to cut that short, ok we're getting reports of freshly maimed, we are going to head to . .. . .. . This news update brought to you by: Go Army, Microsoft, and Harper Publishing offering "Risk, Reward" at your local bookseller. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:52:28 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc Jim writes: > I urge all of you who are offended by the "OVA" thread to > be EQUALLY vocal about the threads about male body parts. You're forgetting, Jim, that we live in a culture that tolerates jokes and discussion about the size of the male "body part," so no one is "proving (your) point for (you)." There is a Budweiser ad running now in which there is a woman and a man and the woman pokes fun at the size of the man's "body part." If it had been a man making fun of a woman's "body part," the spot would never have seen the light of day. And this is not the first national TV spot that has featured male penis size humor. Not by a loooong shot! (Pun intended, of course!) Watch 12 hours of TV -- like most people do every day! -- and I guarantee you'll hear jokes, put-downs, etc., about male genitalia, but nothing about women. I don't know why that is, but it *is* the way things are. Jim also adds: > C'mon, JMDLers. Take your list back. Now you're scaring me. - --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:54:15 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: NJC, RE: OVA njc > Jim writes: > > > I urge all of you who are offended by the "OVA" thread to > be EQUALLY vocal about the threads about male body parts. I'm a little confused because I don't remember endless threads about male body parts. Wasn't most of the discussion about sex between children and adults?!? Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: OVA - a practical consideration (njc) When I am personally offended by a post or thread, I just press Delete, as I did with the OVA thread. BUT, some folks on this list might not be that lucky. Some companies screen incoming emails for certain words. The contents of the OVA thread would be grounds in some corporations for dismissal of the recipient. Plese be considerate when posting and keep this fact in mind. (I'm not suggesting censorship, just thoughtfulnees towards the other members of the JMDL.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 03:03:42 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Emiliano_Pati=F1o?= Subject: RE: Joni and James High spirited Kev: > This was a great gift.. my friend said that Joni sent it to him from her personal collection but hes full of sh**..But a great > friend indeed ;) I reccomend ! > this highly I know that alot of you may have it but if not try and find it..Its really really good....Hope you all have a fine > day... Thanks a lot for your kind post! Me, sure I'm having a good moment gracias to you! In fact, it's eras since I heard anyhting so fantastic as your friend's asseveration ;-) Though I don't have the entire concert: I agree absolutely with you at that concert's Beauty. You're right to be so highly moved! BTW : it's true you haven't heard "Mud Slide Sim" or "Sweet baby James" before? These are *real treasures* for the soul. IMHO, the real height of JT's career (unlike our Queen, he losed some inspiration shortly after) Hey, don't shoot me! I think James Taylor is great, but no one of the masters. Emiliano from Galicia NP: Ismael Serrano: Si Peter Pan viniera ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Was cinnamon rolls, now Apple turnovers and NJC --- Lucy Hone wrote: > I was pregnant (this is important to remember) and > decided I would have "MY" > turnover on the way home in the car as I was sooooo > hungry... then I hit a > traffic jam and became soooo concerned that the > cream would go off I ate > another one to "test!" that was fine, but this then > left only 4. > COME ON YOU MUST HAVE STORIES LIKE THIS..... > I've done stuff like that but not when I was pregnant. In fact, when I was pregnant, I probably ate better and more sensibly than I ever did when i wasn't pregnant, and it wasn't because I was thinking about it either. There were just certain foods I couldn't eat AT ALL. Not that I got sick, because I never did. I just lost the taste for certain foods. Although when I was pregnant with my son, i couldn't eat any kinds of vegetables without gagging and I was so worried he'd turn out screwed-up if there were no vegetables going in, so I'd try to eat them anyway. (He still doesn't like vegetables, by the way.) I've had pig-out attacks where I just get SOOOO hungry that I just HAVE to eat as much of (whatever food it happens to be at the time - roast chicken is one thing I've done that with a few times). I'll eat with my hands and I've used that rationale you did with the apple cream tarts - usually I do this with chocolate(oh, just one more and then I'll share the rest with the kids... and so on, until everything's gone and I feel sick.) I've also done the thing Ken did using car keys or a nail file to slice into things when there was no knife or spoon available. I guess that's what builds up the immune system because, by rights, you should probably end up with some weird form of food poisoning by using such gross utensils but, as a Scottish friend of mine used to say, "Ye have to eat a peck 'a dirt before ye dee!" ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:31:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC I did not write that last post attributed to me, signed "name witheld". I don't know how someone managed to hack into my computer to make it look like me, but it wasn't me. RR no, really, it was somebody else. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:17:02 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 16 NJC In a message dated 4/16/03 11:34:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > no, really, it was somebody else. > hhhmmmm....creepy In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:01:11 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 17 1983: Joni performed at the RDS Music Hall in Dublin, Ireland - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 02:01:11 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: April 17 On April 17 the following items were published: 1968: "Joni Mitchell - One of the few remaining pockets of musicality" - Toronto Daily Star (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=774 1998: "Bjork, Joni Mitchell Reign Over Walden Woods Benefit" - SonicNet website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=338 2000: "Hillary and Joni" - Slate (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=497 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:50:11 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: A Mighty Wind (NJC) It's too much!! Guest and his gang are so good it hurts in parts. I think there should be a separate Academy Award category for parody/satire to acknowledge the group's brilliance. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 07:44:52 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: OVA njc With a box like that Ok so I'm not sorry, Ted well, that has to be among the most vile things i've read hereabouts. les (london) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:56:36 -0700 From: "kakki" Subject: Re: NJC -- Little Eva, RIP This is really sad. Locomotion was one of my all time fave songs. I remember singing and dancing to it as a kid. Thanks Hell for giving the word from Carole. Gotta wonder what magic water was in the pipes of that Brill Building. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2003 #247 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)